Posted September 30, 200420 yr School board: Mall proposal vote 'premature' http://www.daytondailynews.com/neighbors/content/localnews/neighbors/greene/0916greenemall.html 09/16/04 BEAVERCREEK | Citing legal concerns, the Beavercreek school board has tabled its plans to vote tonight on the county's request to help pay construction costs for a proposed open-air mall at Indian Ripple Road and Interstate 675, a move that could stall development of the 72-acre, multimillion dollar project.
October 1, 200420 yr Intersting. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
October 1, 200420 yr Chicago has been pretty agressive in using the TIF concept to redevelop derelict or obsolete industrial sites, usually for retail and sometimes for housing. On balance they have been a pretty sucessful way of enabling resuse of these sites as well as providing convenient shopping options for inner city residents. This is the first time I have heard of a TIF being used in a suburban context. Frankly, if the economics dont work right for the developer to be able to do this without a TIF, too bad. This is a good site, and Beavecreek doesn't need a TIF sweetner to make it viable.
October 11, 200420 yr Greene center's plans under close scrutiny Amenities' costs, and who pays, cause some concerns By Anthony Gottschlich Dayton Daily News BEAVERCREEK | Part of the nearly $15 million in publicly financed infrastructure for the planned Greene Town Center retail complex calls for $2 million in outdoor furnishings, including a $500,000 water fountain; two peregrine falcon statues at roughly $20,000 each; two wall fountains at $7,000 each, and 48 teak benches at $1,100 each. http://www.daytondailynews.com/localnews/content/localnews/daily/1010amenities.html[/size]
November 4, 200420 yr This was being discussed in another thread: http://urbanohio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=622&highlight=greene+towne+center+centre From the 11/1/04 Dayton Business Journal, more news: Mall inks deal with builder Caleb Stephens DBJ Senior Reporter Earlier this month, green rectangular signs appeared along Indian Ripple Road and Interstate 675 in Beavercreek that read: Coming Spring 2006, The Greene. The signs refer to the Greene Town Center, a 900,000-square-foot shopping and entertainment project that has been delayed twice but appears to be moving forward. It would be Dayton's most significant retail development in more than a decade. http://dayton.bizjournals.com/dayton/stories/2004/11/01/story2.html
November 4, 200420 yr Interesting... I thought an article in the Dayton Daily News on the weekend said the Beavercreek school board had already decided not to finance it. Maybe it said something different, or this article got the comments from the school board guy before that. On a somewhat related note- I'd been watching over the summer as a water tower at the corner of Indian Ripple Rd/Stroop Rd/Dorothy Ln/County Line Rd (both the roads conveniently change names at the intersection), where this thing is to be built, undergoing some new painting. A couple months ago it was finally revealed what had been painted on it: the Montgomery County logo. Guess which county the water tower is in! (Hint: not Montgomery) :???:
November 4, 200420 yr Seriously? Strange! Maybe Montgomery Co. supplies the water--that's the only way that would make any sense.
November 4, 200420 yr There's also another water tower in northern Beavercreek that has "Fairborn" painted on it. Beavercreek should go out and start painting giant beavers on everyone else's water towers!
November 11, 200420 yr From the November 5, 2004 print edition of the Dayton Business Journal Editor's Notebook Retail market about to change Lisa Morawski The much-anticipated and much-delayed Greene Town Center appears to be moving toward reality. We reported last week that the center, which will be the most significant retail development in more than a decade, has found a builder and is negotiating with several tenants. As a consumer I can't wait for its opening. Although I am not a shop-a-holic, my husband and I have become regulars at Easton Town Center in Columbus, which was developed by Steiner and Associates, the same company that is in charge of the 900,000-square-foot, $185 million Greene Town Center. Something about the atmosphere at Easton makes it feel like more than a trip to the mall. The brick sidewalks and urban-style storefronts make you feel like you're walking through a historic downtown, instead of a newly developed suburb.
November 12, 200420 yr ^ Well, yeah...retail is satuarated. It doesn't tend to stop everyone. This "lifestyle center" crap is the learning curve between "let's all run to the suburbs" and "wait, we really need to get our shit together".
November 12, 200420 yr The brick sidewalks and urban-style storefronts make you feel like you're walking through a historic downtown, instead of a newly developed suburb. Yeah, too bad there isn't an actual downtown 6 miles away or anything...
November 12, 200420 yr I hate walking through somewhere that has a heart and was built around something other than a developer's penis. (/sarcasm) God give me something that means something.
November 12, 200420 yr God forbid they turned downtown Dayton into a Lifestyle Center.... Greene Towne Center has bad planning written all over it. Has anyone ever heard of "Forest Fair Mall"? :(
November 15, 200420 yr I think Dayton might be over-restraunted, too. I know of three that went out of buisness over on the 725 "restraunt row"...Cooker, Macaroni Grill, and Cozymels (actually four did, but they are re-doing one into a ribs or BBQ place, I think). These where all chains, though.
January 11, 200520 yr Here is a little (not very exciting) update. I'm really only posting it because I am curious about something. It says that our congress critter procured federal funds for this, mainly for the roads. I'd never really thought about it, but is that commonly done for projects like this? It's about damn time the entire rest of the country started paying for our malls! :-P ---- Beavercreek OKs first reading for $186M incentive Measure would provide for I-675 entertainment center By Amelia Robinson and Anthony Gottschlich, Dayton Daily News The city council on Monday night approved the first reading of a measure that would provide an economic incentive for a $186 million entertainment center to be built on Indian Ripple Road at Interstate 675. www.daytondailynews.com
January 11, 200520 yr so sad... The fact that this is in Beavercreek shows how naive the city leaders are. To approve this and not thing this would hurt Fairfield is very naive. That area doesn't need another shopping district. Maybe North Dayton or West Dayton but not South East Dayton.
January 25, 200520 yr There is another article about this thing in the Dayton Daily News today. It pretty much just says they are near approving the tax increment financing plan and the developers will break ground next month if it's all approved. But I'm mainly posting this because it includes a little rendering of an aerial view.
January 25, 200520 yr They are really are running with that "Easton" new-urbanist approach, according to that rendering...the buildings look to be mostly two and sometimes three storys. Yet it really is just as disconnected from its surroundings as a routine mall or strip center. Nice concept, but I'm leery of that location...& Kettering has been actually tearing down old shopping centers. I think the best integration of one of these centers with the surrounding town is the one in Hudson and that new shopping complex in downtown Huntington.
January 25, 200520 yr The bulk of the funds, or $2 million, will be used for highway and interchange improvements at I-675 and Indian Ripple Road to alleviate anticipated traffic congestion near The Greene. They are going to have do something with that interchange. Its pretty crappy even now, without this big shopping center. Hobson comes through with the pork. He's been pretty good with that...smartest move he made was to get on the House Appropriations comittee.
February 23, 200520 yr I have another update. This story is getting interesting. Flo Thompson of this article is the local pain-in-the-ass who opposes pretty much everything. Maybe she's actually right this time... or maybe it's all pointless. Group wants referendum on Greene tax deal $186M project hinges on abatement, developer says By Amelia Robinson, Dayton Daily News BEAVERCREEK | Developers of a $186 million entertainment and retailer complex said it is too soon to say what will happen if a group's effort to block the city's participation in a $14.8 million incentive plan is successful. www.daytondailynews.com
February 24, 200520 yr Books & Co. plans store at The Greene By Jaclyn Giovis Dayton Daily News DAYTON | — Books & Co., one of the Miami Valley's favorite bookstores, will open a new, two-story store at The Greene. The retailer is the first tenant to confirm it will open a store at the $186 million mixed-use development at the southwest corner of Interstate 675 and Indian Ripple Road in Beavercreek. Developers from Columbus-based Steiner & Associates have been mum on what stores are planning to open in the project. www.daytondailynews.com Contact Jaclyn Giovis at 225-2348.
June 26, 200519 yr An update from the 6/26/05 Dayton Daily News: Greene bringing growth I-675 complex to offer eateries, shops near research park By Jaclyn Giovis Dayton Daily News DAYTON | For the 4,200 employees who work at the Miami Valley Research Park, The Greene will offer something that's been missing since the park's inception — a variety of new lunchtime restaurants, happy hour hangouts and shopping venues to visit less than a mile from the office. http://www.daytondailynews.com/business/content/business/daily/0626research.html
June 26, 200519 yr I read that article this morning and thought the headline was a bit odd. It doesn't say anything about bringing growth; it says it's bringing places to eat lunch for people who work nearby. By the way, in case anyone cares, the site looks like it's ready for construction soon.
June 26, 200519 yr ^ So true, and it's not growth anyway. I feel bad that these people had to suffer for so long, with nowhere nearby to go to shop or to eat! [/sarcasm]
August 4, 200519 yr An update from the 8/4/05 Dayton Daily News: MAP: Site of The Greene Work to get under way on center's roadways Site preparation for shopping complex begins next week By Amelia Robinson Dayton Daily News BEAVERCREEK | Infrastructure work for a $186 million shopping and entertainment complex will begin next week, Beavercreek City Engineer David Beach said Tuesday. Tools Photos Click thumbnails for larger view and caption > Enlarge photo Street, sewer, water and other improvements for The Greene will ultimately be paid for by a $14.8 million financing package. But until Greene County officials take out loans that will eventually total $12.3 million, the first part of the construction will be paid for by $5.5 million that Steiner Associates, builders of the shopping complex, recently gave the city. http://www.daytondailynews.com/business/content/business/daily/0803greene.html
August 14, 200519 yr A tenant, from the 8/8/05 Dayton Business Journal: Square One Salon plans second area store New location would be in The Greene Caleb Stephens DBJ Senior Reporter One of Dayton's most popular salons has plans to open a second location in The Greene, the mammoth retail center set to open next year. © 2005 American City Business Journals Inc.[/i] http://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/stories/2005/08/08/story6.html?from_rss=1
September 26, 200519 yr The bigger four-story building at the end of the main entrance is interesting. I can't think of anything like that at Easton; there's a large building, but it's the indoor mall part and as I recall it doesn't have windows that make it look like a normal building (although it does have that train station design).
September 27, 200519 yr I noticed that last time I cruised by on I-275. I couldn't tell by the buildings that were started what was what. It's way too early in the construction, I guess.
October 15, 200519 yr Hooray. A Gold's Gym. From the 10/14/05 Dayton Daily News: WORKING OUT IN STYLE Gold's in The Greene New fitness center to open in August 2006 By Stephanie Irwin [email protected] DAYTON | Gold's Gym confirmed Thursday it will open in The Greene, the new lifestyle shopping center going up in Beavercreek. Gold's two-story, 52,000-square-foot fitness center marks its entrance into Dayton. The company plans to open two additional centers in the future. "We have really high-end facilities," said Brian Johnson, vice president for Global Fitness Holdings, which franchises the gyms. http://www.daytondailynews.com/business/content/business/daily/1014golds.html
November 1, 200519 yr Cooking up Business at The Greene Several eateries may make Dayton debut at complex The Greene, what is expected to become the Dayton area's newest retail superpower, is finalizing deals for a crop of new restaurants. The 900,000-square-foot lifestyle center, set to open August 2006, will feature 10 restaurants and bars -- most entering the Dayton area for the first time. http://dayton.bizjournals.com/dayton/stories/2005/10/31/story1.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
November 2, 200519 yr Such hard-hitting journalism by the DBJ. Lets write about all the restaurants that are in the other Steiner properties and say that they may be coming to The Greene or whatever it is called these days. I mean, honestly, its not like anyone expects Steiner to do anything original. Thanks for the exclusive there, DBJ. :roll:
November 2, 200519 yr Why the downtown dayton logo if you live in Lincoln Heights? I don't live in Lincoln Heights....I live in Linden Height which is in the city of Dayton. It's a neighborhood just a couple minutes east of downtown Dayton. Although I didn't buy a house downtown, I was determined to buy a house within the Dayton city limits. The downtown Dayton logo is just something I found on the internet to use. I do my best to support downtown and the city as opposed to the 'burb when I spend my money.
November 2, 200519 yr It's cool...no big deal. :) As obvious as it is, never thought about the two being so similar.
December 19, 200519 yr Tenants lining up quickly for lifestyle center Leasing agents for The Greene have secured deals for more than 60 percent of available space and already are planning for a second phase of the shopping center. Barry Rosenberg, president of Columbus-based Steiner and Associates, said the $120 million project is moving briskly and he expects to have 85 percent of the space leased by the time the center opens in August 2006. He said that will allow him to hold back a few parcels for last-minute additions, which is protocol for similar projects. http://dayton.bizjournals.com/dayton/stories/2005/12/19/story3.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
December 19, 200519 yr ^*insert "Back off, _ _ _ _ _ _" here* "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
December 20, 200519 yr Hey, I wasn't yawning at you, it was with regard to the people in the article. There's no need for any backing off! Unless you're being defensive of a possible new Cheesecake Factory. (NOW would be the time to say "back off".)
December 24, 200519 yr That place is coming on hard. I was by there today and the sheer scale of it is apparent even from I-675.
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