^The City of Dayton would like to create JEDDs around the airport, if they'd built a mall/LC near that interchage they might have an opportunity to share the revenue.

I think that a JEDD would be perfect for the area. I am pretty sure that the City of Vandalia just bought a whole bunch of acreage right next to the airport access road. Which has good access to both I-70 and I75. I don't know what Vandalia had in mind when they snatched up the land but they definetely are thinking of something big. If you have never heard of the area it could possibly work for a retail situation. It would have Access to the airport, I-70, I75 hence why it is known as the crossroads of America.

 

There is also the benchwood/wyse road intersection on I-75 which is only about a mile from the intersection...

 

 

From the 8/21/06 DDN:

 

 

The Greene hopes to break the mold on shopping experiences

Project's developers predict the center will bustle with activity and be a spot to relax as well.

By Kristin McAllister

Staff Writer

 

BEAVERCREEK — Open-air shopping and entertainment centers — designed to set themselves apart from enclosed malls — are no longer a novelty.

 

And with Thursday's opening of the $200 million-plus first phase of The Greene in Beavercreek, the question is what's so different about it?

 

Columbus-based developer Steiner & Associates says there's plenty that sets The Greene apart from the pack.

 

 

http://www.daytondailynews.com/localnews/content/localnews/daily/082106greeneexperience.html

 

^^Oh, if the land is in Vandalia, and not the township, I don't think a JEDD can be formed, nor would Vandalia ever agree to it.

the area is on the border of butler township and vandalia. If development were to occur, it would be in both vandalia and butler township. The city of Dayton ownes a wholebunch of land in the vicinity as well. I think that they were planning to build an "airport office/retail park". Let's just say that this development goes through, both the city of Dayton, butler township and vandalia will be trying to get the retail/ office development in their area. With a JEDD, they don't have to bicker, they can have a solid plan for the whole area, without worrying about who get's what tax dollars... This is what a JEDD is meant for , no?

I think Singer Properties had big plans for a lifestyle center type development at Benchwood and Miller Lane, but obvious they have found the uncoordinated, unplanned development of free standing restaurants, big box retailers, and strip malls a more attractive option.  So as I see it now, I think the northern retails hubs will be Salem Mall area, Huber Heights, and Miller Lane to some extent....also, with the new Super Wal-Mart in Englewood and an announced Kroger Marketplace store, there may be some more retail development around Englewood/Clayton as well.  Clayton is still working on their plans to build a downtown, so who knows how that will play out.  I wonder if whoever built the Piqua Mall wishes they would have built it a little further south, like in the Troy area.

UCplanner, I'm not so firmilar with Butler Township's annexations battles, but I would assume that if Vandalia bought the land, they would annex. Thats just an assumption.

yeah dfly,

 

I had always had high hopes for the new intersection, and of course, i get crapped on with a new super-walmart. but, i was looking at the section south of benchwood. The city has recently re-zoned that area to highway business, retail and office space. the only thing that has been developed so far is a Ruby Tuesday's. There is a LOT of land still to develop.

 

Also inkaelin,

Vandalia and Butler township actually put a merger on the ballot a few years back and it was voted down by a long shot. But, the property that i am talking about is on the east side of the airport access highway and is in the city corp. limit. on the other side of the highway it is butler township. i have seen plans for 2 options...one) take out the highway and expand the airport (looking less and less likely, with talks of the airport expanding north east) and putting an intersection over the airport access road in order to spur development. Anyone who knows the area( which i doubt most do) can see that this would fill in a prolific hole in the development pattern of north dayton.

Both stories from the 8/22/06 DDN:

 

 

Some await The Greene with relish, others with disdain

By Ismail Turay Jr.

Staff Writer

Tuesday, August 22, 2006

 

BEAVERCREEK — Beavercreek resident Flo Thompson has never shopped at the Mall at Fairfield Commons, and she doesn't plan to patronize The Greene, which opens Thursday.

 

Thompson, chairwoman of the community group Citizens To Protect Taxpayers, is among several Greene County residents opposed to the town center at Interstate 675 and Indian Ripple Road because $14.8 million of public money was used to fund the project without voters' consent. Opponents of the 72-acre complex, which consists of restaurants, office and retail space and apartments, also said the area does not need a third shopping destination.

 

 

 

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/ddn082206greenetraffic.html

 

Both from the 8/23/06 DDN:

 

 

The Greene means more jobs for area residents

By Stephanie Irwin and Kristin McAllister

Staff Writers

Wednesday, August 23, 2006

 

BEAVERCREEK — What a difference a day makes.

 

That's the hope at least for store, eatery and construction workers who have one day to put the finishing touches on their stores and employee training before the 10 a.m. grand opening Thursday of The Greene, the area's newest open-air retail and entertainment center at Interstate 675 and Indian Ripple Road.

 

"The construction itself is $90-plus million of construction done within 14 months of time," said Allen Begley, Dayton region vice president of Messer Construction Co., project general contractor. "It's a highly accelerated project."

 

 

Contact this reporter at (937) 225-9338 or [email protected].

 

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/ddn082306greenejobs.html

---

The Greene gears up with dress rehearsals

Last-minute touches continue as work forces prepare with training for Thursday's grand opening.

By Stephanie Irwin and Kristin McAllister

Staff Writers

Wednesday, August 23, 2006

 

Salespeople in training at White House Black Market were acting out their new roles Tuesday, while construction workers — who have worked 10-hour days for two months — created instant flower beds or touched up the paint on stores' facades at The Greene, which opens at 10 a.m. Thursday.

 

 

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/ddn082306greenejobside.html

 

OMG u  guys!!! this is soo exsiting!!! 

 

From the 8/24/06 DDN:

 

 

It's The Greene Day in the Miami Valley as center opens

By Kristin McAllister

Staff Writer

Thursday, August 24, 2006

 

BEAVERCREEK — The area's newest open-air, retail and entertainment complex — The Greene town center in Beavercreek — celebrates its grand opening today with free movies and activities.

 

The 10 a.m. event marks the unveiling of the first phase of the development, which, ultimately, will have 85 retail, dining and entertainment establishments and 136 residential units on 72 acres. Phase two, which begins construction in the spring, will include a high-end fashion district and is slated for a 2008 completion.

 

The Columbus-based Steiner & Associates development is at Indian Ripple Road and Interstate 675. Beavercreek City Police Sgt. Jim Wuebben said that besides The Greene security and Greene volunteers, several members of his police department will be on duty throughout the weekend to help with traffic flow and parking.

 

 

 

Contact this reporter at (937) 225-9338 or [email protected].

 

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/business/ddn082406greeneopen.html

 

Is this Easton's child?  What does that make Newport on the Levee? ;)

This is getting sickening.

Is this Easton's child?  What does that make Newport on the Levee? ;)

 

The broke, trashy cousin.

While I am not a big supporter of greenfield development. I would prefer to see the development community build a project like The Greene than another strip center or mall. At least there will be residential, retail and office all in one development. To me, that is a step in the right direction for the region. Now lets hope the development community and citizens are will to take the next step, greater density, and mass transit.

 

On a side note: A turn environmental movement should recognize the only way to preserve nature is to create greater density in the current built environment, thus reducing the demand for spawl. Growth will happen, its just a matter of what type of growth. These people do realize that they are suburbanites and are part of the problem, not the solution.

Now lets hope the development community and citizens are will to take the next step, greater density, and mass transit.

 

Sadly, I'm not too hopeful.  The Greater Dayton RTA will be releasing a proposal in the next couple of weeks to expand into Greene County...let's see how well received that will be.

Here's the DDN write-up of opening day:

 

 

The Greene's opening day has it all: Shoppers, festivities and protesters

By Kristin McAllister , Ismail Turay Jr.

Staff Writer

Friday, August 25, 2006

 

BEAVERCREEK — Children squealing in the town center water fountain, shoppers describing on cell phones what it's like and waves of street music mixed with bursts of laughter from patrons dining alfresco were the sights and sounds of The Greene's grand opening Thursday at Interstate 675 and Indian Ripple Road in Beavercreek.

 

"Everything is easy to find and I love that there's a Funny Bone comedy club," said window shopper Amber Moore of Fairborn. "I like that it's something different than just shopping."

 

 

Contact this reporter at (937) 225-2295 or [email protected].

 

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/business/ddn082506greeneopenbiz.html

 

If Dayton suffers, Cheescake Factory patron Drake said city leaders are to blame.

 

"They sold out Dayton," she said. "We could have had these kinds of shops and places to eat at, but they didn't even try."

 

Ah, the old mirror syndrome.

After reading all the hype about the opening of The Greene, it is refreshing to read an article by someone who actually "gets it."

 

Another View: Retail jobs aren't the answer to creating wealth

Sunday, August 27, 2006

The following was written by former state Sen. and Kettering Mayor Charles Horn.

 

I read that the area's newest shopping center will bring 3,000 new jobs to the area and nearly $400 million in new business. The more things change, the more they stay the same. I remember many years ago being the only dissenting vote on government subsidies being given to big-box retail establishments.

 

Why?

 

 

http://www.daytondailynews.com/o/content/oh/story/opinions/editorial/ddn082706greene2xxmg.html

Good read.

I finally got to check out "The Greene" in Beavercreek today, apropos of this post: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=10383.0

 

My impressions:

 

Visually it reminds me very, very strongly of the Reading VF Outlets complex in Reading, PA. Hulking red brick faux "traditional" buildings, with parking lots on the outskirts.

 

That means IT DOES NOT BELONG HERE. IT JUST ISN'T RIGHT. DAMMIT!  :whip: Ok, I'll settle down...

 

A major mindf*** to see this type of development in this location. When I went to college in the 70s in D8N, the Stroop/County Line/Dorothy Ln/Indian Ripple intersection was the sharp demarcation of farm country. Oh, well, Spring Valley Twp where I spent many a pleasant afternoon bicycle touring is trying to become a clone of Indian Hill. And the Belmont Auto Drive-In (site) just a mile or so north was torn down around 2001.

 

I agree with the despair related in the rant-let posted in the photo thread about the entire Arcade downtown laying unused. That sucks. When I was a kid my mother would dress in her best and would drag me shopping down there with her downtown to the arcade, and we would get lunch at the lunch counter that was in the middle of the place right under the cathedral like apartment windows.  It was kind of cheesy, very dated, but the overall experience would probably be classified as a historical landmark today.

 

The development of huge all encompassing commercial developments like "The Greene" really bothers me. It's training the public to not care that we use up cities like snotty kleenex. It's the Disneyfication of our communities. In old downtown D8N you could see homeless, bag people, street preachers, the marginally insane, etc... but no First Amendment on private property! Keep it antiseptic. A place like this is about as real as Kings Island's Main Street, except that with the latter there is no pretense that it's actually a community with a history or a "soul."

I'm waiting a bit before checking this place out, until the crowds die down a bit.

 

...in old downtown D8N you could see homeless, bag people, street preachers, the marginally insane, etc

 

...downtown Dayton as a destination was before my time, but probably there were enough regular people downtown in the olden days so the all the above didn't dominate the street scene.

 

 

Yeah, it would be good to wait a few weeks.

 

The Greene is quite pleasant as long as you suspend disbelief in the fiction.  :| But this was also a pleasant late summer day. I wonder how well that street scene persists in late November?  :wink:

 

...downtown Dayton as a destination was before my time, but probably there were enough regular people downtown in the olden days so the all the above didn't dominate the street scene.

 

Yes, and I wrote that sloppily and in haste. You're absolutely right about the relative proportions. Downtown Dayton in the mid 60s through early 70s was pretty vibrant. There was a movie theatre, a major regional department store anchor, and lots of businesspeople and students, continually throughout the day. The insane person/crackhead/gangsta scene was still in the background and didn't dominate downtown as it does now.

The insane person/crackhead/gangsta scene was still in the background and didn't dominate downtown as it does now.

 

Dayton was far worse in 1990's with the "gangsta crackheads" but today, downtown is seeing less of that.  If anything, you see a mix of everybody now, due to Schuster performances, high school kids getting off, and random...weirdos.

I don't get up there that much, evidently. It's good to hear that downtown is improving. But it's a shadow of its former self.

As posted in the Dayton Restaurants thread...

 

McCormick & Schmick's eyes Greene

 

An upscale seafood restaurant is looking to hook a location at The Greene.

 

McCormick & Schmick's Seafood Restaurants Inc. has filed paperwork to locate restaurant in Beavercreek.

 

http://dayton.bizjournals.com/dayton/stories/2007/01/29/story3.html

^you mean McSchmicks  :wink: :laugh:

*PUNCH*

I was at the Cheesecake Factory today.

 

They are not overrated.  The cheesecakes where pretty durn good and the interior is really unlike anything I've seen in Dayton, or elsewhere in Ohio for that matter.  They sucessfully create a grand misce-en-scene.

 

The main courses, though, where ok (this was the lunch menue).  We where warned by the waiter about the large portions, so orderd the lunch menu...sort of defeats the purpose to have a big meal and no room for desert in a place that touts its desserts.

 

Food was OK, similar to other restaurant fare (pasta,etc).  But those cheesecakes where pretty impressive.

 

 

Here is some information I hadn't seen before about phase II and its major tennant.

 

Von Maur to join Phase II at The Greene

LISA HINSON / THE GREENE

August 18, 2006

 

COLUMBUS – Steiner + Associates, the developer of The Greene, is pleased to announce Von Maur

as the anchor for Phase II of the $200+ million residential, office, retail, dining and entertainment complex.

Construction of Phase I is currently nearing completion in Beavercreek, Ohio with a grand opening

scheduled for August 24, 2006. Phase I is anchored by a town square, restaurants, a fitness center and

movie theatre.

 

 

http://www.thegreene.com/thegreene/pdf/Von%20Maur%20RELEASE%20081806.pdf

From the 1/16/07 Dayton Business Journal:

 

 

New restaurant slated to open in The Greene

Dayton Business Journal - January 16, 2007

 

Mimi's Cafe will open its first area restaurant at The Greene in Beavercreek Jan. 25.

 

The restaurant serves breakfast, lunch and dinner and is open from 7a.m. to 11 p.m. daily. Menu items include Crab Cake Benedict, Turkey Pesto Ciabatta and Chicken Pot Pie.

 

 

E-mail [email protected]. Call 222-6900.

 

http://dayton.bizjournals.com/dayton/stories/2007/01/15/daily7.html?surround=lfn

 

From the 1/26/07 Dayton Business Journal:

 

 

Greene apartments to test local demand

Experts mull response for luxury apartments

Dayton Business Journal - January 26, 2007

by Yvonne Teems

DBJ Staff Reporter

 

The Greene's burst into the Dayton-area in August opened doors to new retail tenants and restaurants including the Cheesecake Factory, Bar Louie and the upcoming Von Maur department store.

 

Now the mixed-use retail, office and residential center is preparing to open another phase of its development this spring -- 135 luxury apartments -- and expects locals will be attracted to the units' granite countertops and spacious floor plans.

 

 

E-mail [email protected]. Call 222-6900, ext. 127.

 

http://dayton.bizjournals.com/dayton/stories/2007/01/29/story4.html

 

From the 1/31/07 DDN:

 

 

High fashion store coming to The Greene

By Kristin McAllister

Staff Writer

Wednesday, January 31, 2007

 

BEAVERCREEK — Vera Bradley, a leading manufacturer of handbags, travel bags and accessories, today announced the opening of a store at The Greene.

 

The company is based in Fort Wayne, Ind.

 

Besides travel items, the store also will showcase rugs, stationary, lamps, tableware, bedding and eye ware, said Kim Mack, Vera Bradley vice president of retail.

 

"This location is a spectacular presentation of everything a Vera Bradley consumer could hope for," Mack said.

 

The new store is independently owned through a licensing agreement with Vera Bradley by Jean and Todd Bettman.

 

It is next to Brio, across from Books and Co. at The Greene.

 

Contact this reporter at (937) 225-9338 or [email protected].

 

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/business/2007/01/31/ddn013107verabradleyweb.html

 

From the 2/1/07 DDN:

 

 

GRAPHIC: Second floor apartments at the Greene Retail Center

 

The retailers at The Greene will soon get new upstairs neighbors

Next month, people will start moving into apartments now under construction at the Beavercreek retail complex.

By Lisa Bernard

Staff Writer

Thursday, February 01, 2007

 

BEAVERCREEK — — Interest is continuing to build for the luxury apartments under construction at The Greene Town Center as Steiner Properties moves forward with the second phase of development at the retail complex.

 

 

http://www.tcnewsnet.com/main.asp?SectionID=18&SubSectionID=263&ArticleID=143092&TM=45385.08

 

From the 3/5/07 DDN:

 

 

Is The Greene taking too big a bite of local restaurant business?

Kettering councilwoman voices concern; independent restaurateurs consider advertising campaign.

By Ismail Turay Jr.

Staff Writer

Monday, March 05, 2007

 

KETTERING — Months after two Beavercreek restaurant owners blamed The Greene entertainment complex for their failures, a Kettering councilwoman is urging residents to patronize locally owned restaurants.

 

Councilwoman Peggy Lehner said she's not making The Greene a scapegoat for struggling businesses in the area. She's simply calling on the community to support Kettering restaurants because several owners told her their profits have declined since The Greene opened in August.

 

 

Staff writer Mark Fisher contributed to this report

 

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2007/03/04/ddn030507greene.html

 

From the 3/14/07 DDN:

 

 

Bar Louie to open at The Greene

By Mark Fisher

Staff Writer

Wednesday, March 14, 2007

 

BEAVERCREEK — Bar Louie, a new restaurant and bar at The Greene, will open Thursday, its manager said Wednesday.

 

The bar-restaurant is open seven days a week from 11 a.m. to 2 a.m. and will serve food until about 1:45 a.m. daily, manager Dan Bowman said. The chain's menu includes sandwiches, salads and appetizers. The bar offers a variety of martinis, wines by the glass, and draft beers. Bar Louie is located across from the entrance to The Greene's movie theaters at Cinema De Lux. The address is 4492 Glengarry Drive, and the phone number is (937) 427-3900.

 

Contact this reporter at (937) 225-2258 or [email protected].

 

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2007/03/14/ddn031407newrestaurantweb.html

 

Cinema De Lux.  Bah.

Not so good news for Dayton  :|  But hooray for sprawl!

 

Downtown firm inks deal at The Greene

Greystone to leave Kettering Tower

BY YVONNE TEEMS | [email protected]

March 30, 2007

 

BEAVERCREEK - A fast-growing company plans to leave downtown Dayton for new office space in The Greene.

 

Greystone InAdvance Inc., formerly Descomm LLC, will leave the Kettering Tower in August or September for its new digs in Beavercreek's $186 million retail, office, residential and entertainment complex that opened last August, said Don Saunders Jr., chief executive officer.

 

 

http://dayton.bizjournals.com/dayton/stories/2007/04/02/story4.html

New pub adds to The Greene's allure

The Pub to join other entertainment venues

BY TIM TRESSLAR | [email protected]

May 4, 2007

 

PHOTO: More suds: The Pub, a British-themed bar and restaurant, will open this summer in The Greene lifestyle center in Beavercreek. The Pub will add to The Greene�s entertainment draws.

Photo courtesy of The Pub

 

BEAVERCREEK - The Pub, a British-tinged restaurant/bar concept, will open at The Greene later this summer.

 

The Pub will be the first foray into the Dayton area by Tavern Restaurant Group, a Cincinnati-based company. The addition of another restaurant/bar also further solidifies The Greene's standing as a dining and entertainment draw for the region.

 

 

Link contains a photo.  From the 5/21/07 Dayton Business Journal:

 

 

A.G. Edwards moving into Greene

Dayton Business Journal - May 18, 2007

by Yvonne Teems

DBJ Staff Reporter

 

Come August, the financial advisers of A.G. Edwards & Sons Inc. no longer will have a view of Interstate 75 when looking out their windows. At their new home in The Greene, they'll look across the street to see people shopping with Coldstone Creamery ice cream in hand, or they'll glance below at customers heading into Talbot's clothing store.

 

 

E-mail [email protected]. Call 528-4426.

 

http://dayton.bizjournals.com/dayton/stories/2007/05/21/story1.html

 

From the 6/28/07 DDN:

 

 

Greene developers find new funding

Second phase of the project will use special assessment district that would not be using public money.

By Christopher Magan

Staff Writer

Thursday, June 28, 2007

 

BEAVERCREEK — Some residents' outrage over public funding for roads in the first phase of The Greene forced developers of the shopping complex to find another way to pay for infrastructure.

 

 

 

Contact this reporter at (513) 705-2845 or [email protected].

 

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/neighbors/2007/06/28/ddn062807z4greeneroads.html

 

Sephora targets February opening at The Greene

 

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/stories/2007/11/05/story14.html

 

Sephora, an upscale French-based cosmetic and perfume superstore, is coming to The Greene near Dayton this winter.

 

The company will open a 5,500-square-foot location in Phase I of the Beavercreek lifestyle center on or around Feb. 22, a Sephora spokeswoman in New York confirmed. There are currently 160 Sephora shops in the United States, including one at the Kenwood Towne Centre in Cincinnati.

 

Sephora describes itself as a visionary beauty-retail concept founded in France in 1969 and acquired in 1997 by Paris-based LVMH Moët Hennessy Louis Vuitton, the world's leading luxury products group. It is known for its hands-on service allowing customers to sample and test its collection of 250 high-end brands. They include NARS, Burberry, Cartier and L.A.M.B., as well as its own private label. The store will be located on the first floor of a residential building between existing J. Jill and Eddie Bauer stores.

 

"Sephora is one of those kinds of eyebrow-raising tenants that any retail center would love to have," said Mike Duffey, spokesman for Columbus-based Steiner and Associates, the developer of The Greene. "This is a significant asset for us."

Lifestyle center set to open second phase

 

http://dayton.bizjournals.com/dayton/stories/2008/01/14/story2.html?b=1200286800^1574606

 

As construction crews push dirt on phase II of The Greene, developers say final plans may include Mexican and Asian restaurants, technology and jewelry stores and an additional 60,000-square-foot, single-tenant office building.

 

For more info, please click the link

funny. . . .for the longest time The greene spokespeople were promising the addition of men's clothing stores as well as home furnishing stores. I see neither of those on this release. . .so it's probably very likely they couldn't land those tenants. Fantastic, it's back to Columbus or Cincy I go. I don't care how high profile a tenant these people land. . .the fact that there is a payless shoes there says they are struggling to find tenants. So much for high-end and bringing retail that does not exist in this area. . .ugh

Lifestyle center seeks 'homegrown' tenants

 

http://dayton.bizjournals.com/dayton/stories/2008/02/04/story7.html?b=1202101200^1584503

 

Beavercreek lifestyle center The Greene is about to get some local flavor.

 

The project's developer has hired leasing agent Paul Howe to find both local and national tenants to fill 60,000 square feet of The Greene's second phase.

 

For more info, please click the link

So basically are they saying that they are having a hard time filling up all the space with major national tenants?

Sounds like it.

In other words, they're sucking from other retail areas. So much for providing "unique venues new to the Dayton area."

Here's an update on this project.  Basically, S&K Menswear, Omaha Steaks, and a local bridal store are moving into the complex.  Here's a link to the article http://dayton.bizjournals.com/dayton/stories/2008/06/23/story5.html , but I don't have access to the full page.  If someone could please find that, it may have more information.  Also, this link brings you to the Beavercreek city website which lists likely future businesses http://www.ci.beavercreek.oh.us/Documents/Newsletters/In-Touch-Summer%202008.pdf . It's a PDF.  Page 9 lists some new stores like Forever 21 and S&K.  Too bad this wasn't Ballpark Village or downtown :-(.

Yaromir Steiner has turned out to be Harold Hill from the Music Man. . . Promises of upscale and new tenants has turned into stores we already have and that are NOT upscale! Forever 21?!? Please. . . .

 

How much you wanna bet that the one in the Dayton Mall closes in about 6 months after this one opens....