October 31, 2024Oct 31 Does traffic always back up all the way to Florence before a home game? We were coming up from Central Kentucky Sunday morning and the traffic was nasty. The phone said it was bad all the way to the stadium. We turned around at Buttermilk Pike and took 275 to 471 and it was fine. I never came that way before games when I lived in Cincinnati. OSU only backs up about a mile from the stadium when you come up 315 before a game and Ohio Stadium holds more.
October 31, 2024Oct 31 26 minutes ago, GCrites said: Does traffic always back up all the way to Florence before a home game? We were coming up from Central Kentucky Sunday morning and the traffic was nasty. The phone said it was bad all the way to the stadium. We turned around at Buttermilk Pike and took 275 to 471 and it was fine. I never came that way before games when I lived in Cincinnati. OSU only backs up about a mile from the stadium when you come up 315 before a game and Ohio Stadium holds more. Every weekend game or no game.
October 31, 2024Oct 31 1 hour ago, GCrites said: Does traffic always back up all the way to Florence Everyone has to hit their brakes on the cut in the hill for reasons; and the person behind them has to hit theirs a little harder, and the person behind them a little harder until traffic comes to a stop around the 71/75 and 275 interchange every damn day. But don't worry the new Brent Spence Bridge will do nothing to help this situation and simply add more lanes for people to unnecessarily hit their brakes on the 8% sloped hill!
October 31, 2024Oct 31 5 hours ago, Cincy513 said: Team keep all the sports stadiums downtown. We haven't even finished the banks in 20+ years, not to mention all the surface parking lots in downtown. Some of you are clueless if you think the Bengals moving will magically turn the stadium area into further development. The one wild scenario which I suspect the respective team owners are mulling, and one that I hope doesn't come to pass, would be construction of a new Bengals stadium where the practice fields are and construction of a new Reds stadium where the arena is now and then the county/city giving the current stadium properties to the respective teams for their own villages. So Paul Brown Stadium would become Bengal's Banks and Great American Ballpark would become Reds' Banks with the publicly-owned The Banks in-between. Quote There is and always has been plenty of "prime" downtown areas for development and yet they've sat empty for decades. Hardly any downtown surface parking lots have been developed since 2000. The casino is the big exception - rather I'm talking about the many corner and mid-block lots between Central Ave. and Broadway and south of Central Parkway.
October 31, 2024Oct 31 On 10/30/2024 at 1:54 PM, ryanlammi said: Most of Mike Browns net worth is tied up in ownership of the Bengals. He would likely have to sell off major shares of the team in order to finance that. He isn't going to do that. NFL is allowing private equity to get its dirty mitts on the league and Brown could borrow against the equity in the team without selling a single share. People with that kind of money don't operate like you or me.
November 1, 2024Nov 1 On 10/31/2024 at 11:49 AM, ucgrady said: Everyone has to hit their brakes on the cut in the hill for reasons; and the person behind them has to hit theirs a little harder, and the person behind them a little harder until traffic comes to a stop around the 71/75 and 275 interchange every damn day. But don't worry the new Brent Spence Bridge will do nothing to help this situation and simply add more lanes for people to unnecessarily hit their brakes on the 8% sloped hill! Less about that than it is the short merge lane for Kyles Lane to NB at the top of the hill. IMHO. Your overall point still applies. it's just in the past couple years that the back up now can extend back to Mt. Zion with regularity now. 71/75 NB backs up daily. It has become one of the notable choke points that travelers expect. Like I-65 south of Birmingham. 65/40 in Nash. 75/40 in Knox. 75/85 in ATL. Edited November 1, 2024Nov 1 by Rabbit Hash
December 20, 2024Dec 20 https://subscribe.cincinnati.com/restricted?return=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cincinnati.com%2Fstory%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2F2024%2F12%2F19%2Fbengals-tax-break-for-paycor-stadium-upgrades-reveals-team-county-spat%2F77082416007%2F&gps-source=CPROADBLOCKDH&itm_source=roadblock&itm_medium=onsite&itm_campaign=premiumroadblock&gca-cat=p&slug=restricted&redirect=true&offer=W-M7&gnt-eid=control There is an update on the stadium negotiations but it is behind the Enquirer paywall
December 20, 2024Dec 20 On 10/31/2024 at 11:49 AM, ucgrady said: Everyone has to hit their brakes on the cut in the hill for reasons; and the person behind them has to hit theirs a little harder, and the person behind them a little harder until traffic comes to a stop around the 71/75 and 275 interchange every damn day. But don't worry the new Brent Spence Bridge will do nothing to help this situation and simply add more lanes for people to unnecessarily hit their brakes on the 8% sloped hill! Not related to this area but my in laws moved to close to Goshen, and it now takes me about an hour + or - 10 minutes to get to their house to pick up my kids leaving work around 4:40 from East Walnut Hills. I think a lot of it must be due to 471 South being out. I imagine a lot of folks who work in that area and downtown and live in Milford take the 275 loop out and around to get home, and now everyone is cramming onto 71 then 275
January 17Jan 17 Author Cincinnati Bengals, Hamilton County trade default charges, team declared stadium talks ‘useless’ The Cincinnati Bengals have accused Hamilton County of being in default of their 1997 stadium lease agreement, a marked deterioration of relations as the team's tenancy at Paycor Stadium nears its 2026 expiration. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2025/01/17/bengals-hamilton-county-lease-negotiations.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
January 19Jan 19 Think they are partially driving a hard bargain because of the Browns wanting the new build dome? I don't see a scenario where one team gets more than the other in a monetary sense from the state. Its all too close together.
January 20Jan 20 Based on how the state treats the Cincinnati area in general, I could see the state kicking in more money for the Browns. That said, IMO, the Modell Law will go down in flames in the next year since the city of Cleveland will try to use it to force the Browns to stay in the city. Once that happens, all bets are off for the Bengals and Reds. Austin, San Antonio, Portland, Toronto, London, and Mexico City could all try to make a play for a relocated NFL team and nothing will stop a team from relocating once the Modell Law is overruled.
January 24Jan 24 https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2025/01/23/bengals-county-stadium-lease-extension-talks-move.html I'm sure the county is at fault to some extent and it's not all Mike Brown just being cheap (which is a fair baseline belief), but this graphic is so wildly misleading. It makes it look like the Bengals have spend more on stadium improvements than the county by including $120 million dollars of unspent money. By that standard, I personally would like to spend $1 billion on a roof for the stadium, but I have decided not to proceed on that renovation in 2025 but I still have outspent** both the county and team. I'm sure this is all posturing and hopefully the negotiations can go somewhere from here but the Bengals are once again leveraging their popularity (which is still coming off an all time high but in decline) to make it seem like they are the victim in this.
March 5Mar 5 Author Hamilton County releases new details about its consultant on Bengals talks Hamilton County likely will pay more than $1 million to a consultant it has hired to help it negotiate a new lease with the Cincinnati Bengals, along with a renovation plan for Paycor Stadium. The county released the terms of its agreement with national stadium expert David Abrams, a banker and consultant with New York-based Inner Circle Sports. It calls for a $25,000-per-month retainer, assuming Abrams works on the project in a particular month, plus additional fees for certain services, which could kick in soon according to a Jan. 1 letter to the Hamilton County prosecutor. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2025/03/05/hamilton-county-bengals-lease-consultant-contract.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
April 3Apr 3 Author Top Bengals executive: 'We could ... go wherever we wanted after this year' A senior Cincinnati Bengals executive said that unless the team strikes a deal with Hamilton County on its lease at Paycor Stadium or exercises a two-year extension option, it could “go wherever we wanted.” Katie Blackburn, the daughter of Bengals owner Mike Brown, made the comments at an owner’s meeting in Palm Beach, Fla., April 1, according to The Athletic. “We could, I guess, go wherever we wanted after this year if we didn’t pick the option up,” Blackburn said. “We’ll see. Like I said, all these things will be done in due course. We are having discussions, and so we’re hopeful that the county is thinking about it a lot, too, and wants to get it addressed in a way that would be beneficial to both of us.” It’s the latest snippet of information about the high-stakes lease negotiations, which are continuing after the Business Courier revealed in January that talks had gotten rocky and that both sides traded charges of default. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2025/04/03/bengals-katie-blackburn-team-leave-lease-talks.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
April 5Apr 5 The Chicago Bengals? lol. I’ve heard it all. People write anything these days. But I also thought Trump could never be president. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/bengals-bears-could-in-theory-come-together-and-pay-for-a-stadium-in-chicago Edited April 5Apr 5 by 646empire
April 5Apr 5 1 hour ago, zsnyder said: ...written by Mike Florio... Certainly an entertainer who's trying to rile people up, but the statement from Blackburn at the owner's meeting shouldn't surprise anyone. Despite what the Bengals apologists want to believe and make excuses for on Reddit and Facebook, the Brown family is ultimately going to do what's in their best financial interest. I personally see them sticking out the ten years worth of lease extensions (why not, they have a great deal), but after that—unless something changes in the front office or a stadium magically appears, relocation will very much be on the table and it will be something they use as a threat to to get what they want—whether that's a new facility, renovations, etc. I sincerely doubt that relocation threat will include a join stadium with the Bears, though. Katie Blackburn just needs to call up the Chargers to see how that would go. Edited April 5Apr 5 by Gordon Bombay
April 6Apr 6 7 hours ago, Gordon Bombay said: I personally see them sticking out the ten years worth of lease extensions (why not, they have a great deal) Not happening. Zero Chance. A deal will be done. Edited April 6Apr 6 by 646empire
April 6Apr 6 Very unlikely that Utah will get an NFL team due to the state’s weird laws and religious reasons but there were a few Utah based sports reporters running with Blackburn’s comments. Utah has nearly a billion set aside for sports stadiums and has the Winter Olympics coming in a few years. If Jacksonville of all places can have an NFL team, then why not? Some sports books have also put out odds for Bengals relocation candidates and Austin/San Antonio and Toronto lead the way. just get ready for similar conversations when the Reds lease starts coming due
April 6Apr 6 1 hour ago, JaceTheAce41 said: Very unlikely that Utah will get an NFL team It's very unlikely that there will be any significant shuffling of the NFL teams. Plus, Cincinnati/Dayton is bigger than several NFL cities - Charlotte, Baltimore, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, Kansas City, Indianapolis, Nashville, and Jacksonville.
April 6Apr 6 10 hours ago, Lazarus said: It's very unlikely that there will be any significant shuffling of the NFL teams. Plus, Cincinnati/Dayton is bigger than several NFL cities - Charlotte, Baltimore, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, Kansas City, Indianapolis, Nashville, and Jacksonville. Exactly. I think now that the NFL has LA and Vegas in its stack there really isnt an appetite at all for relocation. Also the Utah talk is laughable, I don’t care how much money they have stashed alway for sports venues that ain’t happening. This is very important too folks. If Cincinnati wants to keep its teams they can. Cincinnati has the market size and money to renovate and or build new stadiums IF* they want to period. Even at the state level Ohio in the end is not going to let either of its NFL teams move. If you notice Bengals relocation talk has been very little even this Chicago article has flamed out fast. Both the bengals and browns will remain in Ohio. Edited April 6Apr 6 by 646empire
April 6Apr 6 The Browns will get the Modell Law overturned and as much as people on this forum love to turn a blind eye to it, there are other large, fast-growing markets that could attract an NFL or MLB team. Stadium talk always stirs up these conversations. The Reds nearly moved to NYC in the 60s and the Bengals have threatened to leave multiple times. If you don’t think the NFL would move a team to Toronto, I’ve got some beachfront property in Nevada to sell you. As I said, Utah is unlikely (they’re a shoe-in for MLB expansion though) but Toronto, London, Mexico City, Austin/San Antonio are all out there. And it’s not like the NFL hasn’t put a team in a stupid place before. Jacksonville has a team for crying out loud
April 6Apr 6 15 hours ago, 646empire said: Not happening. Zero Chance. A deal will be done. Love the confidence, but let's see how it plays out first. The Bengals aren't going anywhere for a minimum of two seasons, a maximum of ten (depending on how many two-year lease extensions they option for). As the end of that point approaches, relocation can and will be used as a threat if they don't find the deal to their liking. As a Bengals fan, I hope that doesn't happen, but this team and ownership has shown twice in history they're not above that. 13 hours ago, Lazarus said: It's very unlikely that there will be any significant shuffling of the NFL teams. Plus, Cincinnati/Dayton is bigger than several NFL cities - Charlotte, Baltimore, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, Kansas City, Indianapolis, Nashville, and Jacksonville. I mean, we're talking "bigger" by a matter of a few thousand to a hundred thousand. Not to mention most of those cities already have renovation plans in place (Charlotte, Pittsburgh), just completed a massive renovation (Kansas City), relatively new stadiums (Indianapolis), are currently building a new stadium (Nashville), or completely lost a team (St. Louis). The Bengals are also at the bottom of franchise evaluations. 2 hours ago, 646empire said: If you notice Bengals relocation talk has been very little True, but so has renovation/upgrade talk. All of these things will intensify as time goes on and if it turns sour, they will absolutely threaten relocation. 2 hours ago, 646empire said: Also the Utah talk is laughable, I don’t care how much money they have stashed alway for sports venues that ain’t happening. MLB has three/four markets actively pursuing teams, Utah is one of them. Are they a threat for NFL relocation? Not at the moment, but San Antonio will try to be once again. 2 hours ago, 646empire said: If Cincinnati wants to keep its teams they can. I don't disagree one bit—and I hope that the Queen City does—but that's going to come at a yet-to-be-determined cost all while another group attempts to tap into tax money for a new arena. It's going to get interesting and as the nation has only begun wading through the early months of Trump 2.0, it remains to be seen what appetite people have for public money going to (in the case of the Bengals) owners who have plenty of money, very little on-field success, and a reputation as the ones who helped bring the public "the worst stadium financing deal ever." I do agree, though, that a Republican dominated Ohio Statehouse will gladly hand over money to keep both teams. Edited April 6Apr 6 by Gordon Bombay
April 6Apr 6 4 minutes ago, JaceTheAce41 said: The Browns will get the Modell Law overturned and as much as people on this forum love to turn a blind eye to it, there are other large, fast-growing markets that could attract an NFL or MLB team. Stadium talk always stirs up these conversations. The Reds nearly moved to NYC in the 60s and the Bengals have threatened to leave multiple times. If you don’t think the NFL would move a team to Toronto, I’ve got some beachfront property in Nevada to sell you. As I said, Utah is unlikely (they’re a shoe-in for MLB expansion though) but Toronto, London, Mexico City, Austin/San Antonio are all out there. And it’s not like the NFL hasn’t put a team in a stupid place before. Jacksonville has a team for crying out loud Well said. These leagues do not have any loyalty, and although Cincinnati and its teams are in fairly good positions, billionaires are ultimately going to do what's best for them.
April 6Apr 6 1 hour ago, JaceTheAce41 said: The Browns will get the Modell Law overturned and as much as people on this forum love to turn a blind eye to it, there are other large, fast-growing markets that could attract an NFL or MLB team. Stadium talk always stirs up these conversations. The Reds nearly moved to NYC in the 60s and the Bengals have threatened to leave multiple times. If you don’t think the NFL would move a team to Toronto, I’ve got some beachfront property in Nevada to sell you. As I said, Utah is unlikely (they’re a shoe-in for MLB expansion though) but Toronto, London, Mexico City, Austin/San Antonio are all out there. And it’s not like the NFL hasn’t put a team in a stupid place before. Jacksonville has a team for crying out loud Say and believe what you want. I’m not here to convince you. I didn’t say anything about the Modell Law. It’s either the 2 sides will come to a financial agreement or not, it’s that simple. This ain’t the 60s and no one said the NFL doesn’t think Toronto is a worthy host. What I said is the bengals one way or another is staying in Cincy in a renovated Paycor or new venue period. We will know a bit more in the next 90 days.
April 6Apr 6 1 hour ago, Gordon Bombay said: Love the confidence, but let's see how it plays out first. The Bengals aren't going anywhere for a minimum of two seasons, a maximum of ten (depending on how many two-year lease extensions they option for). As the end of that point approaches, relocation can and will be used as a threat if they don't find the deal to their liking. As a Bengals fan, I hope that doesn't happen, but this team and ownership has shown twice in history they're not above that. I mean, we're talking "bigger" by a matter of a few thousand to a hundred thousand. Not to mention most of those cities already have renovation plans in place (Charlotte, Pittsburgh), just completed a massive renovation (Kansas City), relatively new stadiums (Indianapolis), are currently building a new stadium (Nashville), or completely lost a team (St. Louis). The Bengals are also at the bottom of franchise evaluations. True, but so has renovation/upgrade talk. All of these things will intensify as time goes on and if it turns sour, they will absolutely threaten relocation. MLB has three/four markets actively pursuing teams, Utah is one of them. Are they a threat for NFL relocation? Not at the moment, but San Antonio will try to be once again. I don't disagree one bit—and I hope that the Queen City does—but that's going to come at a yet-to-be-determined cost all while another group attempts to tap into tax money for a new arena. It's going to get interesting and as the nation has only begun wading through the early months of Trump 2.0, it remains to be seen what appetite people have for public money going to (in the case of the Bengals) owners who have plenty of money, very little on-field success, and a reputation as the ones who helped bring the public "the worst stadium financing deal ever." I do agree, though, that a Republican dominated Ohio Statehouse will gladly hand over money to keep both teams. It’s not about confidence lol. People get so caught up in the sensationalism and media click bait drama instead of really reading the room. I could cook up all kinds of ifs and buts and potential maybes. What Utah is with MLB or San Antonio is with the NFL is just blah blah blah I’m talking about Cincinnati*. Again in the end Cincinnati and Ohio for that matter is not going to let the Bengals or Reds walk PERIOD it would be political disaster. As much and the public was pissed at the past deal there is Zero appetite to lose one of the pro teams, a deal will be had even if it’s not a very good one. The situation is Cincinnati or Cleveland is not St Louis or San Deigo. Moving on I’m interested to see real renovation plans and costs not the ultra conceptual crap they’ve put out so far. Edited April 6Apr 6 by 646empire
April 6Apr 6 8 minutes ago, 646empire said: Again in the end Cincinnati and Ohio for that matter is not going to let the Bengals or Reds walk PERIOD it would be political disaster. A tale as old as time in city after city that’s lost a team.
April 6Apr 6 4 minutes ago, Gordon Bombay said: A tale as old as time in city after city that’s lost a team. You must not be familiar with the St. Louis and San Diego debacles. Cincinnati and Bengals ownership is nowhere near that. Please read up on it. Edited April 6Apr 6 by 646empire
April 6Apr 6 8 minutes ago, Gordon Bombay said: A tale as old as time in city after city that’s lost a team. Your continuing to miss a key ingredient in cities of past losing franchises, BOTH sides had come to a stand still and was pretty hostile even publicly and that simply isn’t the case in Cincinnati. There is definitely some posturing but the public and gov want a deal done as a matter of fact a long term lease 20 years minimum from what I’ve heard. Anyway this convo is exhausting and should actually be in the bengals franchise thread not the renovation thread. Moving on.
April 6Apr 6 13 minutes ago, 646empire said: Anyway this convo is exhausting and should actually be in the bengals franchise thread not the renovation thread. Moving on. Bud, if you want to keep following me around on these forums, picking an argument, and then declaring it’s the “wrong topic” after you get flustered, you’re more than welcome to but it’ll probably just be easier for you to mute me at this point. Overall, I AGREE with you and I appreciate your homerism as a fellow Cincinnatian, but the two cases you cited (St. Louis and Sam Diego) are poor choices to support your argument. Both those situations started out as efforts to keep the teams in their respective cities and then it faltered. True, the Bengals may not be doing more than leaking sound bites through reporters now, but they’re not above doing what other teams have done - if they don’t get what they want. That’s all I’m saying. Edited April 6Apr 6 by Gordon Bombay
April 6Apr 6 14 minutes ago, Gordon Bombay said: Bud, if you want to keep following me around on these forums, picking an argument, and then declaring it’s the “wrong topic” after you get flustered, you’re more than welcome to but it’ll probably just be easier for you to mute me. All this to say, I appreciate your homerism as a fellow Cincinnatian, but the two cases you cited (St. Louis and Sam Diego) are poor choices to support your argument. Both those situations started out as efforts to keep the teams in their respective cities and then it faltered. True, the Bengals may not be doing more than leaking sound bites through reporters now, but they’re not above doing what other teams have done - if they don’t get what they want. Huh? Following you around? Strange. I clicked on Paycor Stadium renovations thinking that there was convo/news on ya know…… Paycor Stadium Renovations* and it’s mostly talk about the team leaving and Utah and Toronto and San Antonio etc LOL. Now I didn’t help by jokingly posting the Chicago spin but I thought we needed the laugh and get back on true topic. One more thing you say welllll St Louis and San Diego and Oakland for that matter are poor choices yet those are the most recent re locations of NFL franchises and all of which derived from public financing battles for new stadiums in which the local public/gov pushed back big time. You make zero sense. Edited April 6Apr 6 by 646empire
April 6Apr 6 3 minutes ago, 646empire said: You make zero sense. 😉 You’re so close: 3 minutes ago, 646empire said: One more thing you say welllll St Louis and San Diego and Oakland for that matter are poor choices yet those are the most recent re locations of NFL franchises all of which derived from public financing battles for new stadiums in which the local public/gov pushed back big time. Edited April 6Apr 6 by Gordon Bombay
April 6Apr 6 1 minute ago, Gordon Bombay said: 😉 You’re so close: We shall see who’s right. Lease or no lease that is the question.
April 6Apr 6 4 minutes ago, 646empire said: We shall see who’s right. Lease or no lease that is the question. Again, I don’t want to be “right.” And I’m not saying the Bengals have a bunch of moving trucks lined up on Mehring Way at this very moment. I believe they want to be in Cincinnati long term. What I am saying is that if they don’t get what they want—and rest assured they are going to WANT something on their terms—the threat of relocation as a negotiating tactic is something real and tangible they COULD not only use, but if worse comes to worse: act upon. It is leverage they have when coming to the negotiating table which makes the public side of this messier/harder to see. And that is an area where a long term plan could be in jeopardy. Much like in the examples we’ve discussed. ❤️ Edited April 6Apr 6 by Gordon Bombay
April 6Apr 6 4 hours ago, 646empire said: Cincinnati and Bengals ownership is nowhere near that. The Bengals' ownership is almost as unique as Green Bay's. The Brown Family owns every share but one. There is no potential for minority owner shenanigans/collusion such as what happened in Cleveland in the 90s (or what could potentially happen with The Reds, since they now have about 15 minority shareholders). What was Mike Brown's goal back in 1996? Enough revenue to buy out all minority shareholders in order to avoid the trick that was pulled on Art Modell. Having achieved that lofty goal, what is Mike Brown's goal in 2025? With the granddaughters committed to running the team in 10-20 years after their mother retires, there is no motivation to sell the team. That means that there is no reason to move it in order to improve its valuation. The only motivation to move would be a dramatic increase in revenue, and as long as most revenue comes from TV, there isn't much to be gained by selling more jerseys and hats and parking passes and corn dogs in Toronto or Mexico City.
April 7Apr 7 If a new city is willing to pay for a new stadium, and the alternative is the Bengals putting in a 500+ million dollars of their own money to help renovate Paycor in Cincinnati (and selling shares of the team to get that money) I think they'd quickly jump ship.
April 7Apr 7 15 minutes ago, ryanlammi said: If a new city is willing to pay for a new stadium, and the alternative is the Bengals putting in a 500+ million dollars of their own money to help renovate Paycor in Cincinnati (and selling shares of the team to get that money) I think they'd quickly jump ship. Sheesh, ok. We will know more soon.
April 7Apr 7 11 hours ago, Lazarus said: There is no potential for minority owner shenanigans/collusion such as what happened in Cleveland in the 90s (or what could potentially happen with The Reds, since they now have about 15 minority shareholders). What was Mike Brown's goal back in 1996? Enough revenue to buy out all minority shareholders in order to avoid the trick that was pulled on Art Modell. Umm.....the "shenanigans" were pulled by the modells. They were the ones who blatantly violated the league's movement guidelines and put the league in a position where they had to negotiate a compromise. This is part of why the league forced them out in Baltimore. The minority owners were the ethical ones. They played no tricks.
April 7Apr 7 2 hours ago, ryanlammi said: If a new city is willing to pay for a new stadium, and the alternative is the Bengals putting in a 500+ million dollars of their own money to help renovate Paycor in Cincinnati (and selling shares of the team to get that money) I think they'd quickly jump ship. The Brown family would still have to pay a relocation fee. The three most recent teams to move (Raiders, Rams, and Chargers) all have to pay the NFL $300+ million to move their franchises. There also isn't a city that would pay for the entire stadium themselves. The three most recent moves, and all of the recent stadium announcements, have involved a private and public partnership. The days of stadiums being completely funded by the public are over. All of this is why the Bengals aren't going to leave the metro area. With the existing sales tax having no sunshine clause (aka it's never going to end and always will be a source of funding for them) the best financial deal is one they're going to get here.
April 7Apr 7 That's fine. I was throwing out numbers. I'm not saying the Bengals will definitely leave. But to say they will definitely stay is foolish IMO. If the money pencils out in favor of a move, the Brown family will probably move, that's all I'm saying. The current sales tax revenue is tied up until 2032 from what I've read, which does open it up to be used for renovations of Paycor and GABP. I don't see much more outside of some state money and random hotel tax revenue or something like that being used. And if they stay in the metro, I really don't see them leaving the current stadium. But anything is possible. I would guess we'll find out in like 2030 or 2032 what their ultimate decision is (enough time to keep renewing the lease until 2036 and build a new stadium if that's what the Bengals opt for). They'll be playing games with the county for a while.
April 8Apr 8 The bonds for Paul Brown Stadium were all sold 1997-2000 meaning starting in 2027 there will be more money available from the tax to retire the Great American Ballpark bonds, which were mostly sold from 2001-2003. It would be really nice if our city's professional journalists got off Twitter for a few minutes and contacted the county to see what, exactly, the plan is for retiring the original bonds for both stadiums. Will new money start freeing up in 2027 for new uses (or simply a property tax rollback) or is it already programmed to accelerate the payoff of the Great American Ballpark bonds? Enquiring minds want to know.
April 8Apr 8 14 hours ago, Lazarus said: The bonds for Paul Brown Stadium were all sold 1997-2000 meaning starting in 2027 there will be more money available from the tax to retire the Great American Ballpark bonds, which were mostly sold from 2001-2003. It would be really nice if our city's professional journalists got off Twitter for a few minutes and contacted the county to see what, exactly, the plan is for retiring the original bonds for both stadiums. Will new money start freeing up in 2027 for new uses (or simply a property tax rollback) or is it already programmed to accelerate the payoff of the Great American Ballpark bonds? Enquiring minds want to know. I always remember in my economic classes the poor deal that stadiums are for the public. This is and always will remain the case. Probably best if they get those bonds paid off quickly and not let them run longer than they could IMO. That said, as soon as they are paid off both teams will want more, I am guessing. The other thing that is frustrating with the Bengals is that they seem to be super happy with the status quo in regards to their team (not being hyper aggressive in free agency, 4 scouts, etc.) and yet they want the public's help with their "money" problems. My thought is always, better now than later. They should have been pushing contracts like what the Eagles and other teams do, trying to win championships now as the lease talk continues. I am sure if they win the Super Bowl this next year and the year after, the public would be much more willing to shell some money out on keeping the team here for 20 years with the big upgrades to the stadium / practice facility, etc.
April 8Apr 8 @ryanlammi and I were discussing Paycor renovations a few weeks ago and the various things that have been proposed. We both agree that no matter what happens to Paycor, the escalator MUST stay. Even if the stadium is torn down one day, I want that escalator up in the air as a monument.
April 8Apr 8 Keep it and make an escalator to nowhere like on the Simpsons Edited April 8Apr 8 by JaceTheAce41
April 8Apr 8 Showing the fans streaming out down the escalator when we are losing by multiple touchdowns in the 4th quarter is a CBS camera man's dream. They live for that shot and show it every single opportunity they have.
April 8Apr 8 2 minutes ago, GCrites said: Easy, just don't fix it when it breaks like at Florence Mall To be fair, that one is on the National Register of Historic Places so it's gonna take some time.
April 8Apr 8 like the Roebling Bridge, which was the first bridge across the Ohio. The Paycor escalator will be remembered as the first Trans-span easy access to the wildebeest fleeing a pride of orange hoodies. who dey.
April 8Apr 8 Resisting the urge to point out that a couple hundred years ago you'd see a similar scene of bison crossing the Ohio River at certain points.
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