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The apartment building closest to 315 at Founders Park is up to four floors on the elevator shafts. I was southbound on 315, but it appeared like this building is going to be right on top of the freeway, and a couple floors above.

29 minutes ago, aderwent said:

The apartment building closest to 315 at Founders Park is up to four floors on the elevator shafts. I was southbound on 315, but it appeared like this building is going to be right on top of the freeway, and a couple floors above.

 

Yeah, I really don't like the development, but I thought it being that close to 315 was kind of cool.

Quick project update for King & High

I was able to make it to the commission meeting last month, was hoping some articles would come out about it but since not... I wanted to fill you all in. 

 

Short answer, it's still a no from UARB. 

 

Long answer, here's a bullet point rundown...

 

- Portion will be "co-living" to reduce rent. Shared common spaces with private rooms, similar to pieces of Gravity II. 

- When asked, CDG said project will not cast shadows on any existing properties that the current buildings don't already.

- UARB said height variance is "major ask" and they cant support it, CDG said the tallest portion now only covers less than a quarter of total project and rest falls under 72' zoned height.

- UARB asked CDG to consider reducing project scope, says height overwhelms existing historic properties.

- UARB asked why there is a High St curb cut, CDG said city traffic and planning requested this, UARB asked CDG do full traffic study because they don't want to see curb cuts on High. 

- UARB asked what will become of old service station, CDG says it will be partially restored for garage entrance but not wholly retained. 

- UARB asked CDG to contact/work with Kroger and see if service station can be relocated across street to Kroger property as a way to honor history of neighborhood.

- UARB asked CDG to host neighborhood meetings to find solutions with surrounding property owners and residents.

- Residents and UARB state they fear High and Wall St traffic will be overwhelmed by project. 

- UARB was upset current structures have deteriorated under CDG ownership, mentioned they will be against any necessary demolitions. 

- UARB was hesitant to allow 5% reduction parking variance, asked CDG to creatively find a way to meet zoning req.

- CDG did present some "meh" materials but said they were willing to work with historic and higher quality materials if it would help push the project forward. I

 

Overall, the commission just seemed dead set against this, they mentioned how High should be a dense and urban corridor but then forgot that the second renderings popped on the screen. I am not sure much positive progress came of the meeting, we may get the 7-story white and gray box after all. Just so ridiculous. 

 

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3 minutes ago, DevolsDance said:

UARB said height variance is "major ask" and they cant support it

 

Unbelievable. 

1 hour ago, aderwent said:

The apartment building closest to 315 at Founders Park is up to four floors on the elevator shafts. I was southbound on 315, but it appeared like this building is going to be right on top of the freeway, and a couple floors above.

That's the hotel, not apartments.

3 hours ago, DevolsDance said:

Quick project update for King & High

I was able to make it to the commission meeting last month, was hoping some articles would come out about it but since not... I wanted to fill you all in. 

 

Short answer, it's still a no from UARB. 

 

Long answer, here's a bullet point rundown...

 

- Portion will be "co-living" to reduce rent. Shared common spaces with private rooms, similar to pieces of Gravity II. 

- When asked, CDG said project will not cast shadows on any existing properties that the current buildings don't already.

- UARB said height variance is "major ask" and they cant support it, CDG said the tallest portion now only covers less than a quarter of total project and rest falls under 72' zoned height.

- UARB asked CDG to consider reducing project scope, says height overwhelms existing historic properties.

- UARB asked why there is a High St curb cut, CDG said city traffic and planning requested this, UARB asked CDG do full traffic study because they don't want to see curb cuts on High. 

- UARB asked what will become of old service station, CDG says it will be partially restored for garage entrance but not wholly retained. 

- UARB asked CDG to contact/work with Kroger and see if service station can be relocated across street to Kroger property as a way to honor history of neighborhood.

- UARB asked CDG to host neighborhood meetings to find solutions with surrounding property owners and residents.

- Residents and UARB state they fear High and Wall St traffic will be overwhelmed by project. 

- UARB was upset current structures have deteriorated under CDG ownership, mentioned they will be against any necessary demolitions. 

- UARB was hesitant to allow 5% reduction parking variance, asked CDG to creatively find a way to meet zoning req.

- CDG did present some "meh" materials but said they were willing to work with historic and higher quality materials if it would help push the project forward. I

 

Overall, the commission just seemed dead set against this, they mentioned how High should be a dense and urban corridor but then forgot that the second renderings popped on the screen. I am not sure much positive progress came of the meeting, we may get the 7-story white and gray box after all. Just so ridiculous. 

 

 

They should take it to the city.  It's amazing how many neighborhood commissions are full of people who hate development- and that's really what this is about.  They're simply making excuses to deny it.

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Lol.I don't know why I expected anything different.

Having a curb cut is not necessarily desired but turning the old service station into an integrated garage entrance is actually interesting. Sure, integrated into a restaurant space is probably better but it's better than a total demo. 

 

Sometimes I'm convinced these people think too highly of these communities (and I'll say 'our' since I'm a University District resident). This concept of 'overwhelming historic structures' is asinine. Is the structure gonna have a panic attack? The area around campus has been bastardized for decades by cheap landlords and small beans developers and commercial developers getting away with murder but NOW we suddenly care how a historic structure is going to feel next to a tall building. As if it's a continuous in tact neighborhood.  Maybe the historic buildings felt underwhelmed by years of terrible development. 

 

I'm going to hate seeing uncommon 2.0. But at this point, I don't blame them. 

  • 4 weeks later...

Definitely not my best picture ever (sorry I was on my bike), but the project at 5th and Highland has kicked into full gear.

Underground garage has started concrete pours and the street level has been shored up. 

 

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Sorry again for the angle, but enjoy!

  • 3 weeks later...

Founders Park from the Olentangy Trail (Wed. Mar. 25). Closest to the trail is the Hotel building. 

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The Senior Housing building just to the right of the hotels elevator tower. 

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To the right (large white wall) is the topped out parking garage. Access roadways have been pored for the townhouses and single family homes on the south side of the lot (no picture).

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On 1/4/2020 at 12:20 PM, Columbo said:

^ That is going to be a major upgrade for that block.  Here is an aerial of that block when the circa 1975 elementary school occupied it:

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And here's a rendering one of the new replacement buildings - as seen from Fifth Avenue:

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According to the 2019 Business First article about this project at https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/01/18/140-unit-apartment-project-in-the-university.html:

 

"Vision Development wants to build a mixed-use project on the site of the former Fifth Avenue Alternative Elementary School at 1300 Forsythe Avenue in Dennison Place.  Plans call for two buildings on the block, bound by 5th and 6th avenues.  The development would have a pair of 3,000- to 5,000-square-foot retail areas with about 134 apartment units above.  Grass courtyards and parking spaces would go between the buildings.  Another part of the development will include some for-sale units."

Have we seen a final site plan for this? I've been going back through this forum and doing some digging online and I haven't found an actual visual for the site plan, just descriptions of what elements are going where. Just curious if someone has it on hand to share?

Here you go @jebleprls22 

 

I was able to pull up what the city approved, should be the final plan under construction. 

 

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@DevolsDance Thank you! The interior parking/garage layout is interesting. It'll also be interesting to see how the ground floor of the mixed-use building turns out -- looks like the parking doesn't match how the renderings show the ground floor courtyard pockets, and with the only retail being retained at Harrison and 5th... 

I was hoping that was the underground parking. If that is street level parking all along 5th, then this is a massive disappointment. Probably the worst thing I've ever seen.

4 hours ago, Ted said:

I was hoping that was the underground parking. If that is street level parking all along 5th, then this is a massive disappointment. Probably the worst thing I've ever seen.

I drive by the site a lot.  That's all underground parking.  It's all currently dug out and being worked on.

I wouldn't be surprised if the underground parking was in addition to this parking at street level. The plans are not clear, but they wouldn't be showing the retail in the same plane as parking that is underground. The site plan quality is poor so I guess we'll wait and see! I hope we're all pleasantly surprised.

  • 3 weeks later...

Quick render update - Harrison Park Hotel

 

Walking by this morning I noticed they have put renders on the construction fencing, the first real renders I've seen actually. Anyway, I present the most generic and lackluster design for a hotel one could pick!

All I have to say right now is... Oye. 

 

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17 minutes ago, DevolsDance said:

Quick render update - Harrison Park Hotel

 

Walking by this morning I noticed they have put renders on the construction fencing, the first real renders I've seen actually. Anyway, I present the most generic and lackluster design for a hotel one could pick!

All I have to say right now is... Oye. 

 

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What do you mean?  That canopy is totally dope. ? ?

 

Thx for the info tho.

Wow. Is that something the commission would have voted on? Rejecting the Kaufman project repeatedly but approving this junk? 

 

The least they could have done is made it all brick instead of what appears to be EIFS. Disappointing to say the least. 

20 minutes ago, DTCL11 said:

Wow. Is that something the commission would have voted on? Rejecting the Kaufman project repeatedly but approving this junk? 

 

The least they could have done is made it all brick instead of what appears to be EIFS. Disappointing to say the least. 

This is a different commission than the one that votes on the Victorian Village projects, no?  Unless you're talking about another Kaufmann project that I'm unaware of.

And the fact that they allowed parking out front ?

A really disappointing project at what have been a nice gateway for 5th into Harrison West

15 minutes ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

This is a different commission than the one that votes on the Victorian Village projects, no?  Unless you're talking about another Kaufmann project that I'm unaware of.

That was my question in a roundabout way. I'm surprised its not VV commission then.

 

Either way....

 

 

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  • 1 month later...

Looks like there’s new life for the abandoned project on Michigan Ave.  From the Harrison West FB page:

 

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A new proposal has been received for 840 Michigan Avenue. In 2018 a previously developer began work on the site but was unable to complete the project. For comparison, the 2018 project proposal was for a restaurant, 47 bedroom residential, and 20 space parking variance (3 for the residential, 17 for the restaurant). The 2020 proposal does not contain a restaurant and is for 62 bedroom residential and a 12 space parking variance. Due to the pandemic there is currently uncertainty on a timeline for this proposal coming before the Harrison West Society. We encourage all neighbors to provide feedback on this proposal and stay tuned for more details on next steps.

http://harrisonwest.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/840_Michigan.pdf

 

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  • 4 weeks later...

New developer wants to take over abandoned Harrison West project

 

The firm is working with developer JDS Cos. to pitch a five-story, 54-unit residential building on the block, where a development was started, but halted halfway through construction.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2020/06/18/halted-harrison-west-development-could-continue-un.html

 

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  • 4 weeks later...

Founders Park (Thur. 7-9-20)

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Founders Park from Olentangy Trail (Fri. 7-17-20)

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I remain angry that the parking for the hotel was allowed to be along 5th while the building was pushed to the back. It also makes a rather unnecessary pinch point for the trail at that part. If they would have hidden the parking behind the hotel, they could have had better street frontage and there wouldn't be such close quarters along the trail. I hope there's at least an actual stormwater strategy in this case with the parking lot further from the river in some regards... 

8 minutes ago, jebleprls22 said:

I remain angry that the parking for the hotel was allowed to be along 5th while the building was pushed to the back. It also makes a rather unnecessary pinch point for the trail at that part. If they would have hidden the parking behind the hotel, they could have had better street frontage and there wouldn't be such close quarters along the trail. I hope there's at least an actual stormwater strategy in this case with the parking lot further from the river in some regards... 

It's also crazy to me how close it sits to 315.  Seems like it would be pretty noisy having one of those back corner rooms right on the highway.

It's a bad project for the most part when it had every opportunity to be better.

On 3/26/2020 at 11:00 AM, DevolsDance said:

Here you go @jebleprls22 

 

I was able to pull up what the city approved, should be the final plan under construction. 

 

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Has anyone seen construction progress on this project? Particularly the front apartment building? Still curious as to what the ground floor situation will actually end up being.

^Here’s how it looked this afternoon. Highland and 5th looking northwest. 
 

 

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18 minutes ago, ColDayMan said:

11-story tower proposed for King and High suffers setback

 

After a negative vote from a neighborhood review board, the developer is headed back to the drawing board.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2020/07/27/11-story-tower-in-short-north-suffers-a-setback.html

 

I feel like the review board is all over the place. I agree, if they plan on building there, then the character of the buildings must be preserved. The latest iteration of the project seemed to address that. As has been pointed out elsewhere, there needs to be a commitment to then ensuring the developer follows through with the plan as presented and if it's noticed that unauthorized changes to the agreed-upon design has changed to bring it up to the city. And of course, the continued worry over height is asinine. There is nothing wrong with a 10, 11, 15 or even 20-story building along High St in this area!

I am worried they are going to come back with something a lot shorter, in the 4 story range for this. Hopefully I am wrong and they do something great, but the review board doesn't seem like they want any height. 

17 hours ago, VintageLife said:

I am worried they are going to come back with something a lot shorter, in the 4 story range for this. Hopefully I am wrong and they do something great, but the review board doesn't seem like they want any height. 

It's going to be a 4 story, demolishing all of the historical buildings. And the review board will be at fault.

  • 3 weeks later...

Not the greatest pictures, since I was driving, but several days ago I passed by Founders Park and there was a small crane up.

 

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Founders Park from Olentangy Trail (Thur. 8-13-20)

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Former Elementary Site / Vision Development 

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  • 4 weeks later...

Stop with the damn height reductions. It’s on the main artery of the city. If people don’t like it, they can move. 

Aside from the height reduction, this may actually be my favorite iteration yet. I still have fantasies of incorporating the service station into a unique restaurant/patio space... but its not my money so ? 

At Third & Michigan, it looks like a couple of interesting things are happening:

 

https://www.columbusunderground.com/brewpub-coffeehouse-set-to-open-next-month-in-harrison-west-sp1

 

CU is reporting that Cleveland-based Saucy Brew Works is gearing up for an October opening of its brewpub and coffeehouse concept at 443 W. Third Avenue (corner of Third & Michigan).  This is the former 13-year home of Caffe’ Apropos in a corner commercial building within the Harrison West neighborhood.

 

Also, in the photo included with the article, it shows some new infill construction going up next to the Saucy Brew Works building at the corner of Third & Michigan.  The new infill building appears to replace a small one-story building previously at 1113 Michigan Avenue that housed Rainbow Cleaners.  Below are some streetviews from the past few years:

 

June 2014:  Rainbow Cleaners and Caffe Apropos both operating at Third & Michigan:

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July 2018: Rainbow Cleaners building demo'd and Caffe Apropos closed:

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July 2019:  New infill construction at the former Rainbow Cleaners location at 1113 Michigan Avenue:

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Photo included in September 2020 article:

- Former Caffe’ Apropos location at the corner has been repainted as part of the Saucy Brew Works renovation.

- New infill construction next door at 1113 Michigan Avenue is up to two stories.

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Founders Park at 5th and Battelle (Mon. 9-13-20)

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At 5th and Perry

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From Olentangy Trail

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These are great, thank you! That hotel being pushed back is going to look so bad though. 

  • 3 weeks later...

Shorter King and High Proposal Still Faces Hurdles

 

A plan to redevelop the southwest corner of King Avenue and North High Street does not appear to be any closer to getting approval after a meeting of the University Impact District Review Board on September 24.

 

Representatives of the developer, Collegiate Development Group (CDG), were not seeking final design approval from the board at the meeting, but instead hoping to get a sign-off on zoning changes.

 

The plan was to come back with a final design that fit into an agreed-upon framework, based on the overall height of the building and, also, precisely how much each level would step back from the street.

 

Board members, though, were not willing to commit to such an agreement.

 

“I can’t see supporting this kind of request when the community has made so clear their opposition to the project, on very solid grounds,” said Kay Bea Jones, who noted that 27 letters of opposition to the project had been submitted to the board in advance of the meeting.

 

“My concerns is…how can we vote on variances without at least having what we’ve had in the past, and that’s some consensus on design,” said Frank Petruziello, adding that he doesn’t understand why, in this iteration and several previous ones, the design team has chosen to put the tallest part of the building on the west side of the structure, and not closer to High Street. “That’s the fundamental design issue that has not been addressed.”

 

More below:

https://www.columbusunderground.com/shorter-king-and-high-proposal-still-faces-hurdles-bw1

 

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Developer spite project proposal coming in 3... 2...

They should just put the height in the front toward High while retaining the frontage of the old buildings by proposing a 25 story tower.

53 minutes ago, DevolsDance said:

Developer spite project proposal coming in 3... 2...

At this point I hope the next proposal is super super bland and boring 

27 letters is the strong opposition?  So you get 1 facebook group riled up and proposals are all but dead?  I feel like we're not looking at what the opposition actually represents and how people who want this to happen simply don't have as much impetus to voice that opinion.  sigh

34 minutes ago, ck said:

27 letters is the strong opposition?  So you get 1 facebook group riled up and proposals are all but dead?  I feel like we're not looking at what the opposition actually represents and how people who want this to happen simply don't have as much impetus to voice that opinion.  sigh

Yeah how many people live in that area alone? 27 people is probably 1% of the damn population. 

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