^they've basically created a green moat to the south through the removal of dozens, if not hundreds of homes. Cut off streets for their own use, and built the terrible performing arts center with surface parking facing Lorain. Oh, and the massive surface lot at W28th and Lorain. I could go on if needed…

15 minutes ago, RMB said:

What's abysmal about their land use?

 

I was just thinking the same thing. Especially with the addition of Kyle and McLaughlin Fields as public spaces. Ignatius essentially foot a $4 million bill, maintains the space, and then allows the surrounding neighborhood to use it at will. 

 

The parking lot on 28th is really the only obvious issue, IMO. 

11 minutes ago, w28th said:

^they've basically created a green moat to the south through the removal of dozens, if not hundreds of homes. Cut off streets for their own use, and built the terrible performing arts center with surface parking facing Lorain. Oh, and the massive surface lot at W28th and Lorain. I could go on if needed…

 

I challenge you to go by Kyle and McLaughlin Fields in the summer and find a single night where children and families aren't playing and utilizing the space. 

It's been some time since I've lived in the neighborhood (W32nd & Chatham) but good to hear the fields are open to the public and used. I would argue though that it isn't the best use of Ohio City land.

23 hours ago, Agreene said:

Waterford Bluffs

 

Can we just leave the Waterford Bluff construction fence there and put in a two-way cycle track?  These (awesome) overhead shots show so starkly just how INSANELY overbuilt that stretch of Lorain is, and the new development makes better pedestrian/bike routes that much more sensible. 

Killing pedestrian access on West 28th would be a big mistake for residents, local business customers and employees alike. 

I used to live on Jay Avenue. W28th was a handy walking thoroughfare for myself and my neighbors. It allowed us to scoot here and there around the nabe without having to head all the way over to W25th.

 

Those who despise having an empty stadium on our lakefront most of the year, should also consider an empty stadium hogging up a critical local tourist destination and busy neighborhood street for most of the year too.

 

Closing 28th means no cross streets all the way from W25th to W32nd - a terrible concept for those of us who prefer walkable neighborhoods.

 

Also - Market Ave can be made into a "pedestrian only avenue" with a few cheap cones or some modestly more expensive bollards.

 

Edited March 30, 20223 yr by ExPatClevGuy

4 minutes ago, ExPatClevGuy said:

Killing pedestrian access on West 28th would be a big mistake for residents, local business customers and employees alike. 

. . . .

Closing 28th means no cross streets all the way from W25th to W32nd - a terrible concept for those of us who prefer walkable neighborhoods.

 

Also - Market Ave can be made into a pedestrian only avenue with a few cheap cones or some modestly more expensive bollards.

 

Closing W28th to cars and building a stadium over it does not necessarily mean closing pedestrian/cyclist access, which could easily be accommodated underneath the stands.  This would be a great opportunity to demonstrate a creative approach for car-free access. 

 

For example, imagine a brick-arched colonnade a little wider than the current sidewalk, with one side open to the existing buildings for outdoor patio space -- it could be not just really cool, but a huge improvement over existing conditions.

How much more car traffic would be diverted onto W25 if W28 is closed? It looks like if this is closed there won't be a Northbound connector off Lorain between W25 and W32, which may push more cars onto W25. 

 

I don't think that more cars on W25 would be a good thing.

37 minutes ago, ExPatClevGuy said:

Killing pedestrian access on West 28th would be a big mistake for residents, local business customers and employees alike. 

I used to live on Jay Avenue. W28th was a handy walking thoroughfare for myself and my neighbors. It allowed us to scoot here and there around the nabe without having to head all the way over to W25th.

 

Those who despise having an empty stadium on our lakefront most of the year, should also consider an empty stadium hogging up a critical local tourist destination and busy neighborhood street for most of the year too.

 

Closing 28th means no cross streets all the way from W25th to W32nd - a terrible concept for those of us who prefer walkable neighborhoods.

 

Also - Market Ave can be made into a "pedestrian only avenue" with a few cheap cones or some modestly more expensive bollards.

 

 

To Foraker's point. It would be closed to cars, not pedestrians. That was actually a major point for SIHS in the discussions. It would have been covered pedestrian access 

Nonetheless, for this location I still prefer a mixed-use street.  IMO, a long covered walkway is no substitute for a lively multi-modal avenue that allows for total immersive interaction with the community, drop off and pickup, occasional short term parking, police access, and visual variety.

^Fortunately for you - the project is on ice for the foreseeable future lol

5 minutes ago, ExPatClevGuy said:

Nonetheless, for this location I still prefer a mixed-use street.  IMO, a long covered walkway is no substitute for a lively multi-modal avenue that allows for total immersive interaction with the community, drop off and pickup, occasional short term parking, police access, and visual variety.

West 28th in that area will never be that. It's literally the back wall of a grocery store and a brewery. Comparisons to Cleveland browns stadium isn't fair either. Wasmer is used by multiple sports: Football, Rugby, Lacrosse, soccer, track and field, and on top of that is open to the public at other times. Keeping a pedestrian avenue as a cut through is definitely beneficial but I see no need for vehicles.

 

As for the police cut through I don't see any world where we couldn't cut a block down to get where we need to go at a fast and efficient pace. Like I said there's no residence right there and the other establishments front 26th or whatever that street is. 

1 hour ago, Ethan said:

How much more car traffic would be diverted onto W25 if W28 is closed? It looks like if this is closed there won't be a Northbound connector off Lorain between W25 and W32, which may push more cars onto W25. 

 

I don't think that more cars on W25 would be a good thing.

 

Agree totally. Without time to really be eloquent about it, the street grid in that area is already a catastrophe, either by road closure or bizarre street layouts. The beauty of an urban area is often the ability to simply and predictably drive around a block. 

35 minutes ago, surfohio said:

 

Agree totally. Without time to really be eloquent about it, the street grid in that area is already a catastrophe, either by road closure or bizarre street layouts. The beauty of an urban area is often the ability to simply and predictably drive around a block. 

 

I can't tell if you're joking?

 

I drive the area every day and I've never once thought "catastrophe."  Traffic is non-existent.  Almost all of the best urban areas I've experienced have extremely limited car access. Case Western has 40 acres without car access.  I'd argue that Cleveland State would be much improved by closing E 21st and E 22nd. 

Edited March 30, 20223 yr by RMB

https://ca.permitcleveland.org/public/Cap/CapDetail.aspx?Module=BuildingHousing&TabName=BuildingHousing&capID1=22BHO&capID2=00000&capID3=03860&agencyCode=COC&IsToShowInspection=

Lovely seeing some buildouts for these new spaces in the 4010 Lorain Ave (41 West Apartments) MyPlace apartment buildout– A Donut Shop and "Bodega" style restaurant.

41 minutes ago, downtownjoe said:

https://ca.permitcleveland.org/public/Cap/CapDetail.aspx?Module=BuildingHousing&TabName=BuildingHousing&capID1=22BHO&capID2=00000&capID3=03860&agencyCode=COC&IsToShowInspection=

Lovely seeing some buildouts for these new spaces in the 4010 Lorain Ave (41 West Apartments) MyPlace apartment buildout– A Donut Shop and "Bodega" style restaurant.

I’ve been wondering when the storefronts on Lorain will start reflecting the amount of density the side streets off of it have. 

from myplace

 

The onsite Goldie's coffee/donut is the perfect way to start your day without having to look for parking. Tripe, our onsite Italian restaurant is perfect way to finish the day with its selection of wines, prepared foods and fast casual options

On 3/30/2022 at 11:09 AM, RMB said:

 

I can't tell if you're joking?

 

I drive the area every day and I've never once thought "catastrophe."  Traffic is non-existent.  Almost all of the best urban areas I've experienced have extremely limited car access. Case Western has 40 acres without car access.  I'd argue that Cleveland State would be much improved by closing E 21st and E 22nd. 

 

This area really is not comparable to CSU though. And I'm not arguing that the best urban areas are walkable, this is simply a point about navigation on a street bookended two major hospitals. With all the current and future development coming online it's fairly easy to predict that W.25th is being relied upon for too much. The point made by @Ethanis a valid one. 

 

 
This area really is not comparable to CSU though. And I'm not arguing that the best urban areas are walkable, this is simply a point about navigation on a street bookended two major hospitals. With all the current and future development coming online it's fairly easy to predict that W.25th is being relied upon for too much. The point made by [mention=4035]Ethan[/mention]is a valid one. 
 

Mm not quite W28th in the section being dicused has barely any traffic, is a dead end street, and wouldn’t be an alt route for w25th. The street that would be used a true alt route and constantly is used as one would be Fulton then back to W28th at the roundabout


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Went by the huts in Hingetown today, and I think the little common area in between all of them could be really cool, if utilized. 

 

Any word on what, precisely, will be opening up in there?

Scoped out progress on the Longhouses today and I also have to agree that this is a really unique and cool addition. I really like the central space - there’s lots of potential for this to be a really vibrant / cozy neighborhood pocket. Very innovative, funky (in a good way) and creative! 

still not a fan of the look or use of this space but I will say they did a good job! I don't think they look cheap/bad and I'm sure once the landscaping goes in it'll be even better. I saw they have mulch down around the backs of the huts so we'll see if we get some trees/bushes/flowerbeds 

Here’s a view from above 

 

^ detroit has a version of these:

 

https://www.hourdetroit.com/community/detroit-gets-a-village-of-quonset-huts/

 

i think its pretty cool. get the makers in there and it will be nice on the weekends.

^^These just look like they would be really really dark inside. That's the hardest thing for me to get over.

3 hours ago, LlamaLawyer said:

^^These just look like they would be really really dark inside. That's the hardest thing for me to get over.

The facades are almost entirely transparent or opaque to allow light in. I don't think natural light will be a concern. 

Edited April 11, 20223 yr by BJBaes

4 hours ago, LlamaLawyer said:

^^These just look like they would be really really dark inside. That's the hardest thing for me to get over.

Quite the opposite I think. The inside will have the glow of the street lights. I wouldn’t want to live in one. 

I know we don’t want bland / cookie cutter homes in Ohio City - but it’s REALLY hard for me to wrap my head around what’s going on here on W 48th

If it were 1983, I'd say this is an Arthur Treachers.   Since it's not, I'll go with a Panda Express....

I guess outhouses are back in.

I'm quite confused. It's on my walking route with my dog, so I pass it every day. I figured the little entry way to the right may indicate that an elevator is needed for someone with a disability, which would make sense as a one level house. What I can't get past is the pitch of the roof which, as @Cleburger points out, looks like an Arthur Treacher's or Pizza Hut. 

 

I hope the exterior will make it look better, but the shape of it all is still wild to me. 

1 hour ago, YABO713 said:

I'm quite confused. It's on my walking route with my dog, so I pass it every day. I figured the little entry way to the right may indicate that an elevator is needed for someone with a disability, which would make sense as a one level house. What I can't get past is the pitch of the roof which, as @Cleburger points out, looks like an Arthur Treacher's or Pizza Hut. 

 

I hope the exterior will make it look better, but the shape of it all is still wild to me. 

We sure this just isn't an in law suite to be rented out for air bnb?

2 hours ago, YABO713 said:

I know we don’t want bland / cookie cutter homes in Ohio City - but it’s REALLY hard for me to wrap my head around what’s going on here on W 48th

I too live on the street and pass this daily. The house is being built by someone who lives in a beautiful historic home on Whitman so I think they have good taste. The pitch is dramatic, that's for sure. The architect is Michael Horton, of Horton Harper. I am a fan of their work so I have to assume the end design will look pleasing.

Here's a render: 

It's an elderly couple building an aging-in-place home. What is so wrong with that?

Edited April 15, 20223 yr by Clefan98

50 different people = 50 different opinions about a design.

8 minutes ago, Clefan98 said:

It's an elderly couple who is building an aging-in-place home. What is so wrong with that?

Nothing - the design provided by @downtownjoe looks really cool. As I noted, I was just having a tough time wrapping my head around what a finished product would look like

Whether you are a fan of the design or not, I think we can all agree its at least eye-catching and interesting to look at when walking through the neighborhood. It's like a conversation piece in a home. I love the diversity of architecture in Ohio City and this only adds to that. I am all for it, even if it's a little weird!

9 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

Nothing - the design provided by @downtownjoe looks really cool. As I noted, I was just having a tough time wrapping my head around what a finished product would look like

Definitely feel where you're coming from. 

 

1 minute ago, clandman1123 said:

Whether you are a fan of the design or not, I think we can all agree its at least eye-catching and interesting to look at when walking through the neighborhood. It's like a conversation piece in a home. I love the diversity of architecture in Ohio City and this only adds to that. I am all for it, even if it's a little weird!

I really love the new build on West 52nd near Bridge with all the windows. It's a really cool house. Feel similar about this build! Big windows, open spaces, California feels with the sideyard patio. Love it!

An interesting property transfer on Lorain:

Long vacant 4517 Lorain Ave was purchased for $700,000 by a "BETLEY BOOKS, LLC" registered to David Ferrante of Visible Voice Books in Tremont. 

 

Edited April 15, 20223 yr by downtownjoe

8 minutes ago, downtownjoe said:

An interesting property transfer on Lorain:

Long vacant 4517 Lorain Ave was purchased for $700,000 by a "BETLEY BOOKS, LLC".

 

Looks like the LLC is registered by David Ferrante, owner of Visible Voice Books.

An article regarding the Room Service boutique/cafe at 5222 Lorain Ave.: 

 

"Doran and husband/partner Andrew Worm have announced exciting new plans to return to the near-west side. The couple has taken possession of 5222 Lorain Avenue, the former home to Guide to Kulchur, which they will develop over the next year or so into three components. The first space to be unveiled will be The Judith, a French-inspired café."

 

Room Service Announces Return to the Near-West Side with New Cafe, Retail Store and Community Gathering Space | Food News | Cleveland | Cleveland Scene (clevescene.com)

 

5 hours ago, OC_Charlie said:

An article regarding the Room Service boutique/cafe at 5222 Lorain Ave.: 

 

"Doran and husband/partner Andrew Worm have announced exciting new plans to return to the near-west side. The couple has taken possession of 5222 Lorain Avenue, the former home to Guide to Kulchur, which they will develop over the next year or so into three components. The first space to be unveiled will be The Judith, a French-inspired café."

 

Room Service Announces Return to the Near-West Side with New Cafe, Retail Store and Community Gathering Space | Food News | Cleveland | Cleveland Scene (clevescene.com)

 

Great read! Excited to see this develop. Always thought that corner lot would be a great public space. Sounds like it’s going to be!

Plans were submitted to the city today by My Place LLC (aka Chad Kertesz) for two tenants of their new development at 3928/4010 Lorain (NE corner of Randall/West 41st). The names of the tenants aren't identified in the plans but their uses are: one is an 800 SF donut shop and the other a 1,169 SF "bodega"-style restaurant. 

 

There are three ground-floor tenant spaces and two lobbies/tenant amenity spaces. The donut shop will be right at the corner (4010 Lorain). Next will be a building lobby, and next east of that will be the restaurant (3928 Lorain). There is another tenant space east of that, and finally a lobby/amenity space.

 

FYI: the donut shop will be Goldie's Donuts. Still don't know who the restaurant is.

1 hour ago, KJP said:

Plans were submitted to the city today by My Place LLC (aka Chad Kertesz) for two tenants of their new development at 3928/4010 Lorain (NE corner of Randall/West 41st). The names of the tenants aren't identified in the plans but their uses are: one is an 800 SF donut shop and the other a 1,169 SF "bodega"-style restaurant. 

 

There are three ground-floor tenant spaces and two lobbies/tenant amenity spaces. The donut shop will be right at the corner (4010 Lorain). Next will be a building lobby, and next east of that will be the restaurant (3928 Lorain). There is another tenant space east of that, and finally a lobby/amenity space.

 

FYI: the donut shop will be Goldie's Donuts. Still don't know who the restaurant is.

 

I swear I recall seeing specific info about the restaurant...I can't find it now, but I did find this: https://www.citiroc.com/properties/?type=1&availability=3

 

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3928 Lorain Avenue
Cleveland, OH 44113

Sq. Ft: 1,271

Citiroc is excited to announce the newest addition to Ohio City. Bent Tree Coffee is a small batch, artisan coffee roaster based in historic downtown Kent, Ohio. They seek out and start with highest-quality

 

2 hours ago, KJP said:

Plans were submitted to the city today by My Place LLC (aka Chad Kertesz) for two tenants of their new development at 3928/4010 Lorain (NE corner of Randall/West 41st). The names of the tenants aren't identified in the plans but their uses are: one is an 800 SF donut shop and the other a 1,169 SF "bodega"-style restaurant. 

 

There are three ground-floor tenant spaces and two lobbies/tenant amenity spaces. The donut shop will be right at the corner (4010 Lorain). Next will be a building lobby, and next east of that will be the restaurant (3928 Lorain). There is another tenant space east of that, and finally a lobby/amenity space.

 

FYI: the donut shop will be Goldie's Donuts. Still don't know who the restaurant is.

I found this from last year.  If this is still the plan, its an Italian Restaurant:

https://www.clevescene.com/food-drink/chef-anthony-zappola-will-revive-the-rice-shop-at-van-aken-district-announces-plans-for-new-ohio-city-italian-restaurant-35841029

From their website

 

The onsite Goldie's coffee/donut is the perfect way to start your day without having to look for parking. Tripe, our onsite Italian restaurant is perfect way to finish the day with its selection of wines, prepared foods and fast casual options.

“opening in June 2022 and are
looking for some local makers to join the space!
Starting as low as $40/day, makers receive the
following benefits:
- 150-200 sq ft space
- Sales assistance with a fully staffed space
- Control over merchandising of your products
- Project management and marketing
- POS system
- Onsite space making & events
- Onsite bar to generate traffic
- Ability to work as the retail associate and lower
monthly rental costs”

1 hour ago, BoomerangCleRes said:

- 150-200 sq ft space
- Sales assistance with a fully staffed space
- Control over merchandising of your products
- Project management and marketing
- POS system
- Onsite space making & events
- Onsite bar to generate traffic
- Ability to work as the retail associate and lower
monthly rental costs”

 

^ Well someone here knows how NE Ohio retail consumers operate hahaha. 

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