seems like it's been a really long time since the building has been built but zero façade work has been done aside from the first floor brick. I figured by now we'd see more progress on the outside. 

Nothing like hearing NIMBYs living within the same same distance of you for a proposed plan (in this case Saucy Brew Works asking for the same variance they’ve had the last 2 years for the Vibe Garden). If you love a good NIMBY back and forth check out the the recent Board of Zoning appeals.

Also it should be illegal to complain about parking situations in a city especially in city where’s its plentiful, let alone try to use as a reason for a business or development not continue.

I rarely listen to the zoning appeals meetings, I’m learning it’s a NIMBY fest so the above is just par for the course, wild, not sure these people live so close to a city center, seems like they’re miserable.

1 hour ago, BoomerangCleRes said:

Nothing like hearing NIMBYs living within the same same distance of you for a proposed plan (in this case Saucy Brew Works asking for the same variance they’ve had the last 2 years for the Vibe Garden). If you love a good NIMBY back and forth check out the the recent Board of Zoning appeals.

Also it should be illegal to complain about parking situations in a city especially in city where’s its plentiful, let alone try to use as a reason for a business or development not continue.

 

Go to the Intro projects facebook page and look at the complaints on there about the signage. 

 

One person thought the sign boasting "Sick Views" was insensitive to the patients at Metro who could see the project. True story. NIMBYs are another being unto themselves

4 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

 

Go to the Intro projects facebook page and look at the complaints on there about the signage. 

 

One person thought the sign boasting "Sick Views" was insensitive to the patients at Metro who could see the project. True story. NIMBYs are another being unto themselves

 

That sounds more like a wokester reaching really hard for something to be "offended" by but I guess it could be both.

37 minutes ago, E Rocc said:

 

That sounds more like a wokester reaching really hard for something to be "offended" by but I guess it could be both.

 

There was also a grievance related to the use of the phrase "easy living" when people in the surrounding neighborhoods still experience poverty. 

 

TBH, I think the banner would've been better received with the NIMBY approved language

 

"INTRO: an adequate place to dwell at a marked up price adjacent to some children living below the poverty line."

Regarding the Nimbys and Saucy - my understanding from talking with city officials is this all started when Saucy tried to have a huge night concert in the Vibe Garden. They were denied, since its a residential area, and then Zimmerman and the promoters started organizing people to contact the city and McCormack to pressure them to allow the concert. This seems to have backfired by organizing the immediate neighborhood against them. The variances for the vibe garden were also granted based on it being temporary during the pandemic lockdown. While I absolutely love Saucy (I'm eating and drinking there more than probably any other restaurant/brewery), I think it's unfair to knock the nimbys for being opposed to something that's been there two years. It was never supposed to be permanent. And I certainly sympathize with the opposition to large concerts at night.

 

That being said, I love the vibe garden and hope it sticks around as a unique and lively experience.

8 minutes ago, PoshSteve said:

That being said, I love the vibe garden and hope it sticks around as a unique and lively experience.

 

Agreed - but to that point - the Vibe Garden still has a very "temporary" appearance. I'd love for some more permanent and welcoming aesthetics to be added. First off by removing the chain link lol

The NIMBYs framed the concert as a festival for 4,000 people, in actuality the relatively small gatherings are put on by greyt culture, it’s a summer series that generally is done rooftops like on top of The Shoreway, this year Intro, and other rooftops in neighborhoods.

Funny enough I’d bet Church and State will probably end up being in the line up this year which at that point what’s the difference.

Video for reference for size of the gatherings which is limited by tickets.
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CdJ0UfwplZu/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

2 hours ago, YABO713 said:

 

Agreed - but to that point - the Vibe Garden still has a very "temporary" appearance. I'd love for some more permanent and welcoming aesthetics to be added. First off by removing the chain link lol

Isn't it temporary though? I believe the property was sold no? There was a Ken article on the sale of the property recently I thought

Isn't it temporary though? I believe the property was sold no? There was a Ken article on the sale of the property recently I thought

It’s about to be developed, Saucy’s lease ends in October I believe

Seems like just yesterday I was biking around the lot. Interesting w/the porches facing Fulton.

 

 

 

Ohio City RTA station site ideas arrive

By Ken Prendergast / May 18, 2022

 

Representatives of a real estate development partnership have been making the rounds of near-west-side neighborhood block clubs to present conceptual ideas and get feedback for developing land next to the West 25th-Ohio City Red Line Station. But those same representatives caution they are still early in the design process so there is no formal plan yet.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blog/2022/05/18/ohio-city-rta-station-site-ideas-arrive/

 

I’d be interested to see what the concepts look like I’m certainly a fan of the work done in university circle, I’m a bit shocked McNulty is not in favor of this idea, I’m curious the reason behind his stance.

In my eyes w25 will always be highly trafficked even if there’s another strip of mixed used around the corner and if anything this will bring more people to the neighborhood and to frequent his businesses not mention would add another element to keep people around w25th instead of them doing a few things and then heading elsewhere.

McNulty doesn't like it because it's directly across the street from his house.  

McNulty doesn't like it because it's directly across the street from his house.  

So developer and businessman turns nimby, what a turn of events. I’ve said it in a different thread…. it confuses me why these people choose to live near a city center, this is the type of project that should be welcomed by people that live in an urban area.

1 hour ago, BoomerangCleRes said:

So developer and businessman turns nimby, what a turn of events. I’ve said it in a different thread…. it confuses me why these people choose to live near a city center, this is the type of project that should be welcomed by people that live in an urban area.

 

My friends in Ohio City and Tremont all seem to want their neighborhoods to remain exactly the way they are right this very instant. 

43 minutes ago, surfohio said:

 

My friends in Ohio City and Tremont all seem to want their neighborhoods to remain exactly the way they are right this very instant. 

 

To be honest, that's the sign of a neighborhood that's nice and has been that way for awhile.   People moved there for reasons, and significant changes may impact those reasons.   

8 minutes ago, E Rocc said:

 

To be honest, that's the sign of a neighborhood that's nice and has been that way for awhile.   People moved there for reasons, and significant changes may impact those reasons.   

People move into new housing then want no new housing around them. It is so irrational  

People in the neighborhood want the red line greenway saved, and to stay an actual  "green" way.  You can disagree, but it is not an irrational point. 

I hope the proposals maintain the rail right-of-way. I still hope to see passenger rail return to Terminal Tower. (Greenway trail can co-exist with rail, although portions might need to be rerouted a bit.)

3 hours ago, RMB said:

McNulty doesn't like it because it's directly across the street from his house.  

 

One of his partners in the Tremont 7 townhouses (in which McNulty lives) was in one of the development teams that tried and failed to win the contract from RTA to develop the site in 2019. I don't know if McNulty was an investor, but that link was pretty close to him.

 
One of his partners in the Tremont 7 townhouses (in which McNulty lives) was in one of the development teams that tried and failed to win the contract from RTA to develop the site in 2019. I don't know if McNulty was an investor, but that link was pretty close to him.

Were there any concepts that came out of those discussions in 2019?

21 minutes ago, BoomerangCleRes said:

Were there any concepts that came out of those discussions in 2019?

 

Then as now, there were conversations about building pedestrian infrastructure over the tracks. RTA seems to really want that, especially with a second station platform access at the south end. There also have been rumors that RTA wants a pedestrian underpass next to its track that goes under Lorain to the West Side Market and maybe some future development on its parking lot.

I love hearing that RTA is committed to getting more TOD around this station. Maybe RTA can change direction away from developing that section along Columbus ave, which is most heavily treed? There is just so many other places (some rta owned) to fill before we go there. This is my thinking, start with a tower over a new station rebuild and then also a building cap south along abbey for the secondary station access point.

I like this a lot more than the ideas I'm hearing so far.

Speaking of RTA stations in Ohio City, has there been any movement on the plans to add a new red line station somewhere around Fulton or W. 41st? It seems crazy to me when I visit Cleveland that there's not a station there considering how popular that neighborhood's becoming. There's also lots of opportunities for TODs, especially along Fulton. Also, I never even considered how much opportunity there is for a cap over the redline until @viscomi's drawing above. Personally I think capping the entire block between Abbey and Lorain and turning it into a park would be a really cool way to connect Ohio City and Duck Island/Tremont better!

1 hour ago, Dblcut3 said:

Speaking of RTA stations in Ohio City, has there been any movement on the plans to add a new red line station somewhere around Fulton or W. 41st? It seems crazy to me when I visit Cleveland that there's not a station there considering how popular that neighborhood's becoming. There's also lots of opportunities for TODs, especially along Fulton. Also, I never even considered how much opportunity there is for a cap over the redline until @viscomi's drawing above. Personally I think capping the entire block between Abbey and Lorain and turning it into a park would be a really cool way to connect Ohio City and Duck Island/Tremont better!

 

Capping is very expensive.  They aren't going to cap over an existing park to put a park there.

4 minutes ago, X said:

 

Capping is very expensive.  They aren't going to cap over an existing park to put a park there.

 

It will always be a railroad corridor to me.

18 hours ago, Dblcut3 said:

Speaking of RTA stations in Ohio City, has there been any movement on the plans to add a new red line station somewhere around Fulton or W. 41st? It seems crazy to me when I visit Cleveland that there's not a station there considering how popular that neighborhood's becoming. There's also lots of opportunities for TODs, especially along Fulton. Also, I never even considered how much opportunity there is for a cap over the redline until @viscomi's drawing above. Personally I think capping the entire block between Abbey and Lorain and turning it into a park would be a really cool way to connect Ohio City and Duck Island/Tremont better!

I haven't heard any movement on it since I last reached out to Mr. McCormack (link below). I think you still need a couple more apartment projects or conversions before it can be seriously considered. Since I posted, Knez has begun work on Bailey Bridge (56 townhomes), Tinnerman Lofts has come online (51 units), a "small" 12 unit has been put in motion at 2220 Fulton (Horten Harper), at least 9 infill houses have been built or are under construction by Cleveland Bricks, and a handfull of rehabs have all been completed. On the other side of 90 in Clark-Fulton just about every available home has been purchased for rehab or rental housing.

 

Honestly, I think the last thing to push this over the hump would be a repurpose of Scrapcom (3301 Monroe) or Keep it Green Recycling (3400 Vega). Something large near the intersection of Clark/Fulton would also probably work. Unfortunately I think 2400 Fulton is taken for the foreseeable future (Platform's brewing location).

 

One other dark horse location is on Freas Ave/W 38th St between the tracks/90 off-ramp. That connects directly to the red-line greenway so depending on the layout it could easily connect to a station on Fulton. There are a few land bank properties and a couple properties owned by someone in their roth IRA through "Iplan group" which is apparently some IRA investment firm? Shockingly, there's also a few properties owned on that street by Amelia Earhart... who knew she was in Cleveland this whole time 🤣

 

 

Looking at parcels a bit more, I think Fulton is the clear winner for a possible station... it seems Cleveland RTA or the Greater Cleveland Transit Authority (the same entity under different titles?) already owns most (all?) of the land needed. I outlined their holdings in the screenshot below. Norfolk & Western own all the land around 41st over the tracks, and the rest is taken by I 90's ramps.

Edited May 20, 20223 yr by dastler

Good non-satellite view of the w25th station in question

Just a reminder that the public has access to 360 deg oblique imagery via the county's web mapping application (maps.cuyahogacounty.us) here a few are of the station (and trees/McNulty's development) as well as from today's bike ride in of the apts going up over the old junkyard.

 

 

 

 

 

And the new apts:

 

 

 

I love how that vista up W. 25th is starting to feel like it's part of a real city again.

Add to that the West 20th apartments, hopefully The Pearl, Intro phase 2 and possibly *more* stuff nearby. 😉

Oh? More? Would you like to share? 

1 minute ago, CleveFan said:

Oh? More? Would you like to share? 

 

I would love to share! Unfortunately, I cannot. One of my best sources would nuke my a$$.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CeET82xOi6U/

MyPlace's 41 West filled up quickly! Bodes well for more development on Lorain. Knez's townhomes on Lorain are moving along and building permit entries for each of their townhomes on Bridge have now been filed. 

Edited May 27, 20223 yr by downtownjoe

Build it and they will come!

I believe this is the first of the Quonset hut tenants....

 

City Goods at the Creative Hangars

Proposed Building 7 Finish Out

 

Cleveland Draw is their architect. They plan to spend $100,000 to finish out hut 7, which is located right at the corner of Church Street and West 28th.

2 hours ago, KJP said:

I believe this is the first of the Quonset hut tenants....

 

City Goods at the Creative Hangars

Proposed Building 7 Finish Out

 

Cleveland Draw is their architect. They plan to spend $100,000 to finish out hut 7, which is located right at the corner of Church Street and West 28th.

Apologies, I missed sharing this with all here:

City Goods is leasing all of the hangars in an effort to provide a low-cost solution to small business owners. Please watch their presentation to understand more about their mission. There will be a bar, access to shared staffing for all tenants, required hours opened, assistance with marketing, pop-up events, and more. The proprietor, Sam, is from the small business background having scaled his families business Chargin Valley Soap and Salve. 

I think it's unique and hope it succeeds. 

Edited May 31, 20223 yr by downtownjoe

The corner hangar bar is to be English themed pub from what I’m told.

So none of them are going to be lived in? Not that I’ve a problem with that, but I thought the original intent is they were to be homes for rent. 

1 hour ago, roman totale XVII said:

So none of them are going to be lived in? Not that I’ve a problem with that, but I thought the original intent is they were to be homes for rent. 

 

Live-work places

Franklin Yards / Vantage Place redevelopment (5-30-22)

 

 

Bailey Bridge Townhomes

 

 

Cleveland Bricks townhome development at Fulton and Monroe

Surprised you didn't get photos of the infill a couple houses down on Siam. Cleveland Bricks is building 3 detached single families there as well, all with two car garages. It's actually a pretty unique site plan imo and shows some ability to think outside the box. The three houses will share a common driveway in order to make use of the extra deep original lot. I wish we'd design more lots like this to add some density where possible.

 

1 hour ago, NorthShore647 said:

Franklin Yards / Vantage Place redevelopment (5-30-22)

 

 

Bailey Bridge Townhomes

 

 

Cleveland Bricks townhome development at Fulton and Monroe

 

 

Adaptive reuses flourish in Ohio City
By Ken Prendergast / June 4, 2022

 

Several adaptive reuse development projects in Cleveland’s Ohio City neighborhood are saving older buildings from the wrecking ball. Their developers are using creativity to convert vacant or underutilized structures into new uses that serve present-day needs.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blog/2022/06/04/adaptive-reuses-flourish-in-ohio-city/

I particularly like that the plan for the church reuse on Orchard was reversed to put the garages on an alleyway not on the street promoting walkability. I hope this becomes the model for future projects like this.

On 6/5/2022 at 5:57 AM, Growth Mindset said:

I particularly like that the plan for the church reuse on Orchard was reversed to put the garages on an alleyway not on the street promoting walkability. I hope this becomes the model for future projects like this.

I actually looked at buying this church and decided against it because of the strangeness in the property. The house directly west of the church has a garage that is accessed from the "alley" that they talk about which is really just a driveway. You can see a cargo van parked in the google maps satellite view. The problem is that the garage doesn't have access from the true alley (W 42nd Place). The lot lines from myplace are below... either the church owner will need to work with the house owner to share that driveway, or some other arrangement will need to be made. If they can make it work it's definitely a better setup, and is something that I discussed liking in the Cleveland Bricks development down the street.

On 6/2/2022 at 1:30 PM, dastler said:

Surprised you didn't get photos of the infill a couple houses down on Siam. Cleveland Bricks is building 3 detached single families there as well, all with two car garages. It's actually a pretty unique site plan imo and shows some ability to think outside the box. The three houses will share a common driveway in order to make use of the extra deep original lot. I wish we'd design more lots like this to add some density where possible.

 

 

So that others can see, here's the progress on the Bricks site: