29 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

 

I'm extra butt hurt about this one. My wife and I wanted to buy one of those lots to build our forever home :(

 

They're building your forever condos! lol

8 minutes ago, GISguy said:

 

They're building your forever condos! lol

Remember @YABO713, buy someone else's dream, it's a lot cheaper. 🤣

40 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

 

I'm extra butt hurt about this one. My wife and I wanted to buy one of those lots to build our forever home :(

You should've used NIMBY techniques to block the development 🤣

New renderings, might be worse looking.  
http://cdn.urbanohio.com/monthly_2022_10/image.png.3d996efbd2df10a77d87df9111c16179.png

Usually not against design choices but to me this just looks like any semi-modern design from the suburbs. Doesn’t really give me urban city or even historical OHC vibes

11 minutes ago, BoomerangCleRes said:

Usually not against design choices but to me this just looks like any semi-modern design from the suburbs. Doesn’t really give me urban city or even historical OHC vibes

I'm not a huge fan of the design but I like that this adds 7 housing units to what looks like 2 parcels. 

I'm not a huge fan of the design but I like that this adds 7 housing units to what looks like 2 parcels. 

Agreed, the cost of density I guess. I wish them luck at the landmarks committee

42 minutes ago, freefourur said:

I'm not a huge fan of the design but I like that this adds 7 housing units to what looks like 2 parcels. 

 

True. @YABO713's house would have been eight stories tall, but only a single-family house and with a set-back no less! (The law library on the 7th floor, though, was to be pretty amazing.)

2 hours ago, jcw92 said:

 

True. @YABO713's house would have been eight stories tall, but only a single-family house and with a set-back no less! (The law library on the 7th floor, though, was to be pretty amazing.)

 9 stories* you forgot the Turkish bath on the 6th

 

New renderings, might be worse looking.  
 

 
Yeah I don't know who decided that everyone in Cleveland desires to live in grey buildings with grey interiors, but will note that its getting pretty irritating. 

Edited October 24, 20222 yr by ASP1984

27 minutes ago, ASP1984 said:

 

Yeah I don't know who decided that everyone in Cleveland desires to live in grey buildings with grey interiors, but just going to note that its getting pretty irritating. 

 

It's not great. 

 

I feel like we like a part of the time we either get bland/grey or something overly elaborate that ends up looking like it belongs more on Main St. in Disney than Ohio City. Having said that - density is a good thing. 

Quick photo update from 11/5/22 on the Southern end of Ohio City on Fulton.

 

Foundations are being worked for the 12 unit apartment building designed by Horton harper at 2222 Fulton Rd. In the rear you can see another infill house that went up very quickly from Cleveland Bricks at 2217 W36th st. I'm pretty sure once both of these projects are completed (along with Bailey Bridge Townhomes from Knez) the immediate area around Fulton north of the tracks will be completely built out. Quite a difference since I moved into the neighborhood!

Edited November 7, 20222 yr by dastler

I'm not surprised this area is getting built up quickly. I still think that area is crazy affordable property value wise. Very walkable area to lots of restaurants/stores. I'm really glad it continues to add density there.

Won't be completely built out until ScrapCom is replaced with a huge apt complex!

18 hours ago, RMB said:

Won't be completely built out until ScrapCom is replaced with a huge apt complex!

Adding in a red line rapid stop at Fulton is the last piece of the puzzle I think. RTA owns the land and per McCormack it's at least been brought up (not sure how seriously though). I think it'd do wonders to stabilize Clark Fulton as well, they're a bit underserved from a light rail standpoint and have plenty of working class people that don't have access to cars. The nearest metro stops are W25th and W65th. There's some pretty good bus service though, the 45, 25, and 51 lines all run through the area.

More density and infill coming to OHC.

 

Near West Design Review District

 

2.9:00NW 2022 –43 West 30thTownhomes Phase 1 Conceptual Approval(C)

2211 West 30thStreet Project Representative –Susan Broadwater, Beegan Architectural Design

Ward 3Phase 1 of a 7 townhouse development on West 30thStreet.

 

3.9:30NW 2022 –44APL Development –Conceptual Approval (C)

1850 Brevier AvenueProject Representative –Brandon Kline, Geis Co.Ward

3 New construction townhomes, apartment building,and park/greenspace

 

https://planning.clevelandohio.gov/designreview/drcagenda/2022/PDF/NW-Agenda-11-09-22.pdf

The second one is actually in Tremont. I will have an article with lots of images, shortly.

The old funeral chapel at 3929 Lorain will be renovated and turned into a similar concept as cuffs in chagrin falls

Same price point as Cuffs in Chagrin Falls?  If yes it seems out of whack for the neighborhood.  The thinking would have to be that it will be

1 hour ago, BoomerangCleRes said:

The old funeral chapel at 3929 Lorain will be renovated and turned into a similar concept as cuffs in chagrin falls

come a west side regional draw.

^ Yeah. Although Cuffs is far superior, if you want to buy that kind of stuff at those kinds of prices, the west side already has Christophier. I’d really like to think that there’s room for another such place, but I’m too skeptical. 
Geigers was always out of place in downtown and something like that (smart-casual/ outdoorsy) would work much better in OC. 

Same price point as Cuffs in Chagrin Falls?  If yes it seems out of whack for the neighborhood.  The thinking would have to be that it will be
come a west side regional draw.

Beyond the comparison to cuffs they further described it as a chance for groomsman parties to come together and have a similar experience a bridesmaid party would have when wedding dress shopping/getting ready for the day so maybe a nice compliment to Harper and Ivory on bridge ave…. Oh and a bar included of course.

On 11/8/2022 at 8:54 AM, dastler said:

Adding in a red line rapid stop at Fulton is the last piece of the puzzle I think. RTA owns the land and per McCormack it's at least been brought up (not sure how seriously though). I think it'd do wonders to stabilize Clark Fulton as well, they're a bit underserved from a light rail standpoint and have plenty of working class people that don't have access to cars. The nearest metro stops are W25th and W65th. There's some pretty good bus service though, the 45, 25, and 51 lines all run through the area.

I was in town over the summer and two friends came down from Toronto. We rode the Red Line from Madison over to Little Italy and they both said that the stations on the line were spaced too far apart and they needed to add quite a few more. That location would be perfect spot.

Unidentified restaurant/bar tenant coming into 3928 Lorain Ave. and will fit-out the 1,017-SF space for $20,000.

Any news on the Pearl? Or was that never a serious development?

2 minutes ago, GREGinPARMA said:

Any news on the Pearl? Or was that never a serious development?

Based on everything recently posted I am guessing it is the later.

49 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

Based on everything recently posted I am guessing it is the later.

 

No building permit applications have been submitted for The Pearl. The same owner submitted them for The Pine and was informed that they would first need a variance. That was back in June. Nothing new has been added to their file since. The Pine was on BZA Aug. 29 but there's no video of this meeting so I don't know if any action on it.

 

The Pearl has been VERY quiet by comparison.

16 hours ago, KJP said:

Unidentified restaurant/bar tenant coming into 3928 Lorain Ave. and will fit-out the 1,017-SF space for $20,000.

I think that place has had signs up for awhile with the name on it, I’ll confirm later this week if some else doesn’t 

17 hours ago, KJP said:

Unidentified restaurant/bar tenant coming into 3928 Lorain Ave. and will fit-out the 1,017-SF space for $20,000.

https://www.tripicleveland.com/

In the same development (41 West), Goldies Donuts began work this summer to open at some point too, not sure when: https://www.instagram.com/p/ChLLW72JNF3/

Edited November 14, 20222 yr by downtownjoe

Snavely is submitting permits for a $650,000 renovation of the Jamestown Building, 2710 Detroit Ave. I wrote about this and other pending OC adaptive reuses last June. It will have a sandwich shop on the ground floor and a couple of fourth-floor apartments. The second-floor office and third-floor apartment aren't part of the rehab...

 

https://neo-trans.blog/2022/06/04/adaptive-reuses-flourish-in-ohio-city/

In case you were wondering what it's like to open a new business in a Historic building in Hingetown:

 

Franklin Clinton Block Club
November 17, 2022
Meeting Notes
 

Fourteen Block Club members and several OCI Board members were greeted warmly to the Vitrolite Building by owner A and her team. Refreshments for all attendees were provided by Patron Saint, the café planned for building. A tour of the building and a presentation of the work being done was provided.
 
Block Club Vice Chair, D, thanked A for meeting with the block club, for the tour of the building, and wished her and the businesses great success. Discussion regarding the parking variances sought for the Vitrolite Building was held. The parking variances sought are a concern for residents in the area and the block club was interested to learn what A was proposing for parking solutions. For clarification, there are 44 parking spaces required for the building, not 52 as previously noted in the two BZA items (the eight café parking spaces are included in the 44 spaces needed for the buildings change of use). A noted that she has plans to install bike racks on Detroit and Church Avenues. RTA passes will be sold on site and A is pursuing funding to have a bus shelter installed on Detroit Avenue. Arrangements have been made with five area parking lots to provide off-street parking for customers. Block club members requested details regarding those arrangements which A agreed to provide before the December 5th BZA meeting. A will post signage inside the building requesting customers refrain from parking on Church Avenue in front of the homes between W. 32nd and W. 29th Streets. In addition to the above, A offered her support if residential permit parking is considered for the area. In discussion it was noted that most customer parking will allow for quick turnover of parking spaces as yoga and cycling classes are typically 45 minutes long.
Block club members offered suggestions of alternative parking spaces to explore and that anecdotal observation reflects a shortage of available on-street parking in the immediate area of the Vitrolite Building. Additional suggestions included installing signage on Church Avenue similar to that used on Jay Avenue advising on-street parking is not intended for student drivers at St. Ignatius High School; parking meters along Detroit Avenue; and seeking reduced parking fees in area public lots. It was asked if the number of spaces in the five parking lot agreements are equal to the number of required spaces in the BZA variance request, as well as the average number of parking spaces needed per day. A stated that she will respond with the information to the block club prior to the December 8th block club meeting.
Appreciation for the work A has already undertaken to off-set the parking requirements for the building was noted, as well as appreciation for her stated support of additional residential parking solutions.
It was noted that D, K, B, and G met with Councilman Kerry McCormack on behalf of the block club earlier in November to discuss residential permit parking in specific areas of Ohio City. Additional meetings are to be scheduled with the Councilman and appropriate city representatives. Kerry mentioned that the city is evaluating on-street parking needs in 2023 so the conversations are well timed. In addition, we have heard that the city is evaluating parking meter placement in the area.
Block club members shared concerns regarding the impact of new businesses and apartments with limited on-street parking availability in the area and attempts to seek assistance from the city to address the issue. Block club members would like support from developers, businesses, and city representatives to devise solutions that work for everyone.
A shared that she was advised by Ohio City, Inc. that it was not necessary to attend block club meetings as the OCI Monthly Community Meeting replaces the block club process. Therefore, she did not think that presenting at the block club was necessary. The block club was unaware that OCI had adopted this approach and will follow up with Tom McNair for further clarification. OCI Board Members in attendance could not provide further details regarding this change in process. D shared that presenting at block club meetings helps residents develop relationships with new businesses and developers in the block club area. He stressed again that block club members support the new businesses and wish A and her team success.
The parking variance appeal for the Vitrolite is scheduled to be heard at the December 5th Board of Zoning Appeals meeting.

46 minutes ago, RMB said:

In case you were wondering what it's like to open a new business in a Historic building in Hingetown:

 

Franklin Clinton Block Club
November 17, 2022
Meeting Notes
 

Fourteen Block Club members and several OCI Board members were greeted warmly to the Vitrolite Building by owner A and her team. Refreshments for all attendees were provided by Patron Saint, the café planned for building. A tour of the building and a presentation of the work being done was provided.
 
Block Club Vice Chair, D, thanked A for meeting with the block club, for the tour of the building, and wished her and the businesses great success. Discussion regarding the parking variances sought for the Vitrolite Building was held. The parking variances sought are a concern for residents in the area and the block club was interested to learn what A was proposing for parking solutions. For clarification, there are 44 parking spaces required for the building, not 52 as previously noted in the two BZA items (the eight café parking spaces are included in the 44 spaces needed for the buildings change of use). A noted that she has plans to install bike racks on Detroit and Church Avenues. RTA passes will be sold on site and A is pursuing funding to have a bus shelter installed on Detroit Avenue. Arrangements have been made with five area parking lots to provide off-street parking for customers. Block club members requested details regarding those arrangements which A agreed to provide before the December 5th BZA meeting. A will post signage inside the building requesting customers refrain from parking on Church Avenue in front of the homes between W. 32nd and W. 29th Streets. In addition to the above, A offered her support if residential permit parking is considered for the area. In discussion it was noted that most customer parking will allow for quick turnover of parking spaces as yoga and cycling classes are typically 45 minutes long.
Block club members offered suggestions of alternative parking spaces to explore and that anecdotal observation reflects a shortage of available on-street parking in the immediate area of the Vitrolite Building. Additional suggestions included installing signage on Church Avenue similar to that used on Jay Avenue advising on-street parking is not intended for student drivers at St. Ignatius High School; parking meters along Detroit Avenue; and seeking reduced parking fees in area public lots. It was asked if the number of spaces in the five parking lot agreements are equal to the number of required spaces in the BZA variance request, as well as the average number of parking spaces needed per day. A stated that she will respond with the information to the block club prior to the December 8th block club meeting.
Appreciation for the work A has already undertaken to off-set the parking requirements for the building was noted, as well as appreciation for her stated support of additional residential parking solutions.
It was noted that D, K, B, and G met with Councilman Kerry McCormack on behalf of the block club earlier in November to discuss residential permit parking in specific areas of Ohio City. Additional meetings are to be scheduled with the Councilman and appropriate city representatives. Kerry mentioned that the city is evaluating on-street parking needs in 2023 so the conversations are well timed. In addition, we have heard that the city is evaluating parking meter placement in the area.
Block club members shared concerns regarding the impact of new businesses and apartments with limited on-street parking availability in the area and attempts to seek assistance from the city to address the issue. Block club members would like support from developers, businesses, and city representatives to devise solutions that work for everyone.
A shared that she was advised by Ohio City, Inc. that it was not necessary to attend block club meetings as the OCI Monthly Community Meeting replaces the block club process. Therefore, she did not think that presenting at the block club was necessary. The block club was unaware that OCI had adopted this approach and will follow up with Tom McNair for further clarification. OCI Board Members in attendance could not provide further details regarding this change in process. D shared that presenting at block club meetings helps residents develop relationships with new businesses and developers in the block club area. He stressed again that block club members support the new businesses and wish A and her team success.
The parking variance appeal for the Vitrolite is scheduled to be heard at the December 5th Board of Zoning Appeals meeting.

If you CHOOSE to live somewhere that has no driveway/garage/dedicated parking spot, you have not right to claim parking as your own since you do not have dedicated parking. If you want dedicated parking buy/rent a place with a driveway, garage, or dedicated parking spot. It really is that simple. The only valid complaints about parking are people illegally parking (not in a parking space, blocking entrances/exits/sidewals, etc.). It really blows my mind how those that live in a city think street parking is reserved for them and them only.

there are cities/neighborhoods with permit parking for residents 

^That's the sensible compromise and path forward. Make some of the spaces subject to parking permit requirements, with fees (there should be fees) plowed into a local use (the bus shelter maybe?), and make the rest of the spaces metered or commercial loading spaces, with the meters using variable pricing based on estimated demand.  Meter fees can be split between the city and local uses.  As long as street parking is free and subject to the control of current residents, you're stuck with an informal density cap and implicit car subsidy. 

On 11/13/2022 at 6:41 PM, KJP said:

Unidentified restaurant/bar tenant coming into 3928 Lorain Ave. and will fit-out the 1,017-SF space for $20,000.

 

 

is there anything happening with the old funeral home directly across the street from that charming reno'd building?

 

the former funeral home is kind of unique, mid-centuryish and with nice brick -- i dk what, but i bet it could be put to an interesting use.

36 minutes ago, mrnyc said:

 

 

is there anything happening with the old funeral home directly across the street from that charming reno'd building?

 

the former funeral home is kind of unique, mid-centuryish and with nice brick -- i dk what, but i bet it could be put to an interesting use.

 

The old Bodnar's is planned to become Sartorial, which is described as a pre-wedding entertainment/lounge/retail use for grooms and their posse.  See floorplans on page 5 of 6:  https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/1vx3w4cvg0as9ylb5ii5c/h?dl=0&rlkey=6vyj8d080468kp1ofibau5tel 

Edited November 23, 20222 yr by grayfields

The biggest problem with the parking theses residents complain about for EVERY project is that these council people put up with it.

4 hours ago, grayfields said:

 

The old Bodnar's is planned to become Sartorial, which is described as a pre-wedding entertainment/lounge/retail use for grooms and their posse.  See floorplans on page 5 of 6:  https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/1vx3w4cvg0as9ylb5ii5c/h?dl=0&rlkey=6vyj8d080468kp1ofibau5tel 

 

So funeral home to pre-wedding facility- I wonder if there is some sort of symbolism intended here? 😉

16 hours ago, X said:

 

So funeral home to pre-wedding facility- I wonder if there is some sort of symbolism intended here? 😉

They sort of are one-in-the-same :) 

Awesome showing from neighborhood YIMBY's in shutting down NIMBY's minority voice against improving a neighborhood because "not enough parking". 2915 Detroit Ave (Vitrolite Building) is proceeding to the other committees now. 

Board of Zoning Appeals Meeting for Dec. 5, 2022: https://youtu.be/7WA8tmoTiDg?t=7490
 

Edited December 5, 20222 yr by downtownjoe

 

 

Good news - snow was cleared from the round abouts.

 

Bad news - it’s been cleared by cars driving directly over it. 
 

😒

20 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

Good news - snow was cleared from the round abouts.

 

Bad news - it’s been cleared by cars driving directly over it. 
 

😒

 

I've been known to call that "certain ethnic plowing".  :)

 

Being half certain ethnic myself, I'm allowed to say that.   As a group we get "offended" about as much as the Irish do, and basically mock anyone who claims to be on our "behalf".

2 minutes ago, E Rocc said:

 

I've been known to call that "certain ethnic plowing".  :)

 

Being half certain ethnic myself, I'm allowed to say that.   As a group we get "offended" about as much as the Irish do, and basically mock anyone who claims to be on our "behalf".

Honestly, there's just as much a chance that that's tracks from a zone car. We blow over those all the time when we are in rush to a priority run. 

I can't imagine that intersections where half the people go around the roundabout and the other half go over is going to be very safe.

18 minutes ago, X said:

I can't imagine that intersections where half the people go around the roundabout and the other half go over is going to be very safe.

 

I'd say about 10-15% of drivers go over them - based on my napkin math from walking my dog. 

 

I think the roundabouts were a great idea - but the execution in design is horrific. They're virtually unnoticeable with snow, and (imo) have a diameter too wide for Franklin. Traffic calming still could've been achieved with a smaller, more prominent roundabout. 

People will get used to them. Everyone bellyached about the Steelyard one when it went in too. 

2 hours ago, YABO713 said:

 

I'd say about 10-15% of drivers go over them - based on my napkin math from walking my dog. 

 

I think the roundabouts were a great idea - but the execution in design is horrific. They're virtually unnoticeable with snow, and (imo) have a diameter too wide for Franklin. Traffic calming still could've been achieved with a smaller, more prominent roundabout. 

Wonder if DSHW and OHC would wanna get together and add a large round concrete planter for each of these.  You’re right. With a heavy snow, these are so low to the ground that they’ll be difficult to notice. 

Edited December 28, 20222 yr by marty15

1 hour ago, bumsquare said:

People will get used to them. Everyone bellyached about the Steelyard one when it went in too. 

 

I think this is slightly different though. If you try to go through the middle of Steelyard's, you run into a grass embankment with an art installation. This isn't a matter of whining about the traffic pattern, it's an issue of letting people know it's there in the first place. 

 

FWIW I love roundabouts - I just don't think this was done well. 

8 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

 

I think this is slightly different though. If you try to go through the middle of Steelyard's, you run into a grass embankment with an art installation. This isn't a matter of whining about the traffic pattern, it's an issue of letting people know it's there in the first place. 

 

FWIW I love roundabouts - I just don't think this was done well. 

 

I'm a big non-fan of roundabouts,  they really don't fit well with NE Ohio driving habits and those aren't going to change.

 

The Steelyard one could be worse and so could the ones in Twinsburg I used to encounter when my daughter was at VCA.   

 

The problem is when they get made too small and that is compounded when the designers go so far as to limit driver visibility, as happened at the one at Richmond and Pettibone.   The pile they put in the middle keeps drivers from seeing across, and oncoming traffic of course will impact whether the car on the left is going to go or not.   So when traffic flow is unbalanced it backs up a long way and there is no way for emergency vehicles to get around the mess.

 

IMNSHO any traffic designer that willfully limits driver visibility should not be in that field.   It's basically malpractice.

I'm not a fan of the Franklin roundabouts. I think Yobo is right in that they weren't designed well. More so with the smaller ones, at like 50th and 54th I think. How are these a better pedestrian expereince? You have to make 4 right angles to get a across Franklin. I avoid those streets now. Or just cross straight like it used to be (which is obviously more dangerous)

Glad to see this building getting fixed up. North side of Lorain and 48th