April 27, 20232 yr Regarding the "lack of parking", I don't see that as an issue. If you have people who potentially want to rent apartments at this development, they would be well aware of the "lack of parking". Those who move there after learning about the parking situation would either be okay with using transit and/or be bikers who are okay with using 2 wheels instead of 4. Would there be people that would park on the side streets because there are no garage spots? Yes. That is life in the city though, you move into a growing area expecting it to........grow.
April 27, 20232 yr Re: 45th and Lorain: "The landmarks commission suggested that Kertesz and his team rework the project and come back with something that is more appropriate for the site while also achieving the density needed to make the project work for the developer." So it's too tall, doesn't have enough larger units, too expensive, doesn't have enough parking, but come back with something that works for you!
April 27, 20232 yr 7 hours ago, MyPhoneDead said: Regarding the "lack of parking", I don't see that as an issue. If you have people who potentially want to rent apartments at this development, they would be well aware of the "lack of parking". Those who move there after learning about the parking situation would either be okay with using transit and/or be bikers who are okay with using 2 wheels instead of 4. Would there be people that would park on the side streets because there are no garage spots? Yes. That is life in the city though, you move into a growing area expecting it to........grow. More broadly though, with the Irishtown Bend Park coming up, Ohio City does need a municipal parking garage. We can't grow our tourist, residential, and business base without expecting there to be increased pressures. Not everyone is going to bike or use transit.
April 27, 20232 yr For both 45 West and 50 West, when I watched the Landmarks meeting, it seemed as though they will approve based on some large, but not project ending, changes (especially to 45 West). FWIW Today, Landmarks approved Bridgeworks revised design (extra floor and garage). The vote was 5-2. Landmarks members: Alan Dreyer and Michele Anderson continue to push back on progressive, urban renewal efforts. Alan voted no because the garages lights would "disturb the way of life in surrounding neighborhoods". Michele voted no because it's "too overwhelming". Edited April 27, 20232 yr by downtownjoe
April 27, 20232 yr 12 minutes ago, ASP1984 said: More broadly though, with the Irishtown Bend Park coming up, Ohio City does need a municipal parking garage. We can't grow our tourist, residential, and business base without expecting there to be increased pressures. Not everyone is going to bike or use transit. Agreed....The West Side Market surface lot is screaming for a parking garage with apartments or condos built above it!
April 27, 20232 yr Just now, mack34 said: Agreed....The West Side Market surface lot is screaming for a parking garage with apartments or condos built above it! Agree. That whole area is a waste of space. It also needs actual streets bisecting north-south it too to regain a functional street grid there.
April 27, 20232 yr 29 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said: Regarding the "lack of parking", I don't see that as an issue. If you have people who potentially want to rent apartments at this development, they would be well aware of the "lack of parking". Those who move there after learning about the parking situation would either be okay with using transit and/or be bikers who are okay with using 2 wheels instead of 4. Would there be people that would park on the side streets because there are no garage spots? Yes. That is life in the city though, you move into a growing area expecting it to........grow. This is Ohio, so it's definitely an issue. What you are doing is limiting your clientele to younger people who are in good shape and don't have kids.
April 27, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, surfohio said: Agree. That whole area is a waste of space. It also needs actual streets bisecting north-south it too to regain a functional street grid there. Functional street grids? In or near downtown? Talk about wishful thinking lol. Seriously, though, that area def needs a municipal parking garage. But traffic at the 25th/Lorain intersection could get pretty bad. Is there a better spot around there? Everyone used to park in the Dave's lot, lets put it there!
April 27, 20232 yr 16 minutes ago, Ineffable_Matt said: Functional street grids? In or near downtown? Talk about wishful thinking lol. Seriously, though, that area def needs a municipal parking garage. But traffic at the 25th/Lorain intersection could get pretty bad. Is there a better spot around there? Everyone used to park in the Dave's lot, lets put it there! Along the east side of Gehring. It would catch traffic coming up from 90 or across the Lorain-Carnegie bridge before hitting that intersection.
April 27, 20232 yr 53 minutes ago, X said: Along the east side of Gehring. It would catch traffic coming up from 90 or across the Lorain-Carnegie bridge before hitting that intersection. Thats what i was sort of thinking as well. Dunno if Intro Phase II precludes that from happening, though.
April 27, 20232 yr Is one of the requirements for a seat on the Landmarks Commision an anti-urban reactionary mind? Too big, too busy, too crowded. It's a city (or supposed to be) for crying out loud. I think it should be mandatory for people on the Commision to visit cities like Boston, New York or Chicago to get an understanding of what a successful, dense urban neighborhood looks like. And then vote accordingly.
April 27, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, cadmen said: Is one of the requirements for a seat on the Landmarks Commision an anti-urban reactionary mind? Too big, too busy, too crowded. It's a city (or supposed to be) for crying out loud. I think it should be mandatory for people on the Commision to visit cities like Boston, New York or Chicago to get an understanding of what a successful, dense urban neighborhood looks like. And then vote accordingly. It should absolutely be a requirement those who sit on a commission and serve the city of Cleveland also live in the city of Cleveland, not Solon. I am just happy to have Joyce Huang's voice alongside newer member Jonathan Bonezzi to push forward on these initiatives. Good news is that Bridgeworks is moving on but we really need to figure out commission members in the future. Edited April 27, 20232 yr by downtownjoe
April 27, 20232 yr The Landmark Commission and its sub committees have totally lost their way and no longer function to the benefit of the citizens it was created to serve. It has become another bureaucratic road block in the way of progress that only serves the whim of whoever is on the committee at the time. It's beyond fixing and needs to be abolished.
April 28, 20232 yr We should have a UO meet up for this projects final design review committee meeting May 4th.
April 28, 20232 yr On 4/27/2023 at 11:23 AM, mack34 said: Agreed....The West Side Market surface lot is screaming for a parking garage with apartments or condos built above it! Yeah that would be nice. Even something like the Green Street garage in Ithaca, NY would work well: Green Street Garage Redevelopment Project » Downtown Ithaca Edited April 28, 20232 yr by ASP1984
April 28, 20232 yr Updated plans for 45 West final local landmarks review on May 4th: https://res.cloudinary.com/courbanize-production/image/upload/v1/information_plans/xjnya7wke4buvfkio5y7 Setbacks have been updated at the top level seemingly and some minor materiality changes. Updated plans for 50 West final local landmarks review on May 4th: https://res.cloudinary.com/courbanize-production/image/upload/v1/information_plans/lysd66jarffvqdbwfm8z Looks like balcony's have been removed and some other minor materiality changes. As a reminder, it's possible to add comments for the record to these by emailing [email protected] no later than Tuesday, May 2nd at 12 pm.
April 28, 20232 yr Hit up them comments! https://courbanize.com/projects/50west/comments?ordering=-created&topic=Retail
May 3, 20232 yr very nice to see this news — 👍 Ohio City’s Vitrolite Building reopening with new businesses Published: May. 03, 2023 By Megan Sims, cleveland.com CLEVELAND, Ohio – One man’s trash is another woman’s treasure as a female-owned commercial real estate firm breathes new life into the long empty Vitrolite Building. Harness Collective’s first venture is expected to host its grand reopening on May 20, bringing several new businesses to Ohio City’s Hingetown Neighborhood at 2915 Detroit Ave. There is also a second entrance at 2906 Church Ave. The nearly 18,000 square-foot, three-story building will be home to Harness Cycle, a cycling studio; Soul Yoga, which is owned by a Cleveland native; and Patron Saint, an Italian-inspired café as well as other female and minority-owned businesses more: https://www.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2023/05/ohio-citys-vitrolite-building-reopening-with-new-businesses.html The Harness Collective recently renovated the Vitrolite Building in Ohio City and plan to bring in several new businesses. Lizzie Schlafer
May 3, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, mrnyc said: very nice to see this news — 👍 Ohio City’s Vitrolite Building reopening with new businesses Published: May. 03, 2023 By Megan Sims, cleveland.com CLEVELAND, Ohio – One man’s trash is another woman’s treasure as a female-owned commercial real estate firm breathes new life into the long empty Vitrolite Building. Harness Collective’s first venture is expected to host its grand reopening on May 20, bringing several new businesses to Ohio City’s Hingetown Neighborhood at 2915 Detroit Ave. There is also a second entrance at 2906 Church Ave. The nearly 18,000 square-foot, three-story building will be home to Harness Cycle, a cycling studio; Soul Yoga, which is owned by a Cleveland native; and Patron Saint, an Italian-inspired café as well as other female and minority-owned businesses more: https://www.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2023/05/ohio-citys-vitrolite-building-reopening-with-new-businesses.html The Harness Collective recently renovated the Vitrolite Building in Ohio City and plan to bring in several new businesses. Lizzie Schlafer With things like Patron Saint, The Judith, and others, there really are some awesome historical renovations happening all over. To think, there are dozen of other retail buildings on Detroit and Lorain that could get this same treatment and flourish... and how about all those houses on Franklin, Clinton and all the side streets that have gone untouched for decades. Ohio City may seem "popular" now but there is SO much still to be done and revitalized– it's beyond exciting. Edited May 3, 20232 yr by downtownjoe
May 4, 20232 yr Nice to see a thoughtful renovation is underway, but the building was neither long empty nor was it anyone's trash.
May 4, 20232 yr Still waiting to see what they do what the upper. I liked the tile but now with the windows in it’s not really that welcoming of design especially for a corner. Maybe with some lights and activity inside it’ll look better
May 4, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, BoomerangCleRes said: Still waiting to see what they do what the upper. I liked the tile but now with the windows in it’s not really that welcoming of design especially for a corner. Maybe with some lights and activity inside it’ll look better Yeah, was hoping for the roll up windows.
May 5, 20232 yr The new facade of the rumored oyster/cocktail bar has some fresh windows.Yeah, even though I do like that they redid this, for some reason it feels closed off. Accordion style windows would've done wonders here. I like what Choolah did with their open windows and sidewalk seating, that would've been perfect here. Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
May 5, 20232 yr I'll take this over something like Amba where you don't even know it's open until you try the door lol. I get they really had no choice and it's a great sorta hidden gem spot since it's so discrete but still I love me some curb appeal!! I think we all being able to walk down the street and see lots of activity in the bars/restaurants. But for this property I think it will be much different once the lights are on inside. These are not like the glass at Intro where you can't see in.
May 5, 20232 yr 12 hours ago, math said: Nice to see a thoughtful renovation is underway, but the building was neither long empty nor was it anyone's trash. So true. Another unfortunate example of the “journalism” on Cle.com. ICA should request a correction.
May 5, 20232 yr 9 hours ago, brtshrcegr said: So true. Another unfortunate example of the “journalism” on Cle.com. ICA should request a correction. they can easily get away with it these days. because thats the kind of fact checking you get with free news. basically zero. i mean, does anyone pay for news sources online? and do they even have any employees? or is it all freelance??? not sure what journalism checks and balances advancenet has crushed into dust ...
May 7, 20232 yr Just wondering what the “whispers” are regarding Intro 2 - where are we in terms of that project?
May 8, 20232 yr I checked in with Harbor Bay's Dan Whalen about phase 2 a couple of weeks ago. He simply said "No news yet." "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 8, 20232 yr 37 minutes ago, KJP said: I checked in with Harbor Bay's Dan Whalen about phase 2 a couple of weeks ago. He simply said "No news yet." Does Bridgeworks finally getting greenlit change any of the calculus for them re: phase two?
May 8, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Ineffable_Matt said: Does Bridgeworks finally getting greenlit change any of the calculus for them re: phase two? No. There's something going on between Harbor Bay and the city and I can't quite figure out what it is. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 8, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: No. There's something going on between Harbor Bay and the city and I can't quite figure out what it is. There are a lot of developers who are frustrated with the City of Cleveland at the moment.
May 8, 20232 yr 12 minutes ago, RMB said: There are a lot of developers who are frustrated with the City of Cleveland at the moment. Are we sure the engagement @KJP is referencing is negative? I didn't get that from his post although it may well be the case. Maybe this mystery tryst is something positive. Perhaps some sort of public subsidy. Look forward to Ken digging up the facts. Edited May 8, 20232 yr by Htsguy
May 8, 20232 yr I thought Dan Whalen and Mayor Bibb were friends, so I can't imagine it being anything bad. I'd imagine they're working together to get Phase II moving forward.
May 8, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Htsguy said: Are we sure the engagement @KJP is referencing is negative? Just to share my one experience with city hall permitting and inspections: 2 summers ago I worked at an oyster bar in the flats. The place has been open for several years. One day this guy with a clipboard came in and announced to me he was here to inspect the fire alarm system on this brand new building. The guy was in his late 60's early 70's (or living really rough) and had the reading glasses in front of his every day glasses just to see thing going on. He could barely shuffle along let alone walk. In the middle of a busy happy hour he is going to loudly argue with me that we can't have all these people in the restaurant because the fire alarm system had not been inspected yet. He's just about ready to call the cops and have us shut down for running an illegal restaurant. Finally, he shows me the clipboard, and it takes me another 10 minutes to convince him the building he's looking for is literally the new construction next door. The one with people wearing hard hats and doing construction things. I had to show him our business cards and literally pount at the damn building number on the front of the building before he would admit maybe he had the wrong address. So, did he go next door to do his job? No, he got back in his work van and drove off. No inspection that day! And we wonder why every restaurant project opens six months to a year after their initial projected opening date.
May 8, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, originaljbw said: And we wonder why every restaurant project opens six months to a year after their initial projected opening date. I know, a fair amount about the restaurant business. To be honest, a restaurant, whether newly constructed or doing a renovation build out, rarely opens on time, no matter where it is located including the various suburbs.
May 9, 20232 yr Don't turn this thread into a political pissing match. It will get you guys time off.
May 19, 20232 yr As Duck Island fills, Berges goes SOLO By Ken Prendergast / May 19, 2023 Don’t tell Matt Berges that new home construction in the U.S. is in a 15-month-long slump. The owner of Cleveland-based housing development firm Berges Home Performance LLC will tell you that success depends on what you’re building and where. The where in this case is the near-West Side, specifically Duck Island, a neighborhood Berges helped rebuild. But it is running out of space for more new homes, prompting the 23-year-old firm to look elsewhere to satisfy an as-yet insatiable housing demand. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2023/05/19/as-duck-island-fills-berges-goes-solo/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 24, 20232 yr Sam McNulty opening another bar in OHCUncertain on location is it possible this is what’s going in on the corner of w28th and Detroit or are we certain that’s an oyster bar
May 25, 20232 yr 7 hours ago, BoomerangCleRes said: Sam McNulty opening another bar in OHC Uncertain on location is it possible this is what’s going in on the corner of w28th and Detroit or are we certain that’s an oyster bar I don't think so. It looks like Graham Vesey just put in a permit for "Summer Picnic - Popup Food Service" at that address (2817 Detroit Ave). https://ca.permitcleveland.org/public/Cap/CapDetail.aspx?Module=BuildingHousing&TabName=BuildingHousing&capID1=23BHO&capID2=00000&capID3=06678&agencyCode=COC&IsToShowInspection=
May 25, 20232 yr There’s also this spot:Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalkhttps://www.youtube.com/live/7snY4pDFIWA?feature=shareMinute 59:00, appears to be a breakfast lunch spot
May 26, 20232 yr Pure Physio, a massage therapy clinic, taking 1,122 sq ft at 2615 Detroit Ave. (The Quarter, Phase II). Vocon is designing the interior. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 26, 20232 yr Voss property seeks TIF. https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/redevelopment-ohio-citys-voss-complex-seeks-cleveland-aid
May 26, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, simplythis said: Voss property seeks TIF. https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/redevelopment-ohio-citys-voss-complex-seeks-cleveland-aid Why did I think that this project had been under construction for a while already.? Doesn’t look like it’s even close.
May 27, 20232 yr Voss factory conversion comes into focus By Ken Prendergast / May 27, 2023 Legislation was introduced this week by several Cleveland City Council members to help finance the conversion of the abandoned Voss Industries plant, 2168 W. 25th St., in Cleveland’s Ohio City neighborhood into a mixed-use complex. The projected price tag to carry out the redo is at least $62 million. While the property’s owner and developer MRN Ltd. has been kicking around various ideas for reusing the property for the last couple of years, none of those concepts have advanced as far as this stage of nailing down its financing for a specific program. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2023/05/27/voss-factory-conversion-comes-into-focus/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 27, 20232 yr 9 hours ago, KJP said: Voss factory conversion comes into focus By Ken Prendergast / May 27, 2023 Legislation was introduced this week by several Cleveland City Council members to help finance the conversion of the abandoned Voss Industries plant, 2168 W. 25th St., in Cleveland’s Ohio City neighborhood into a mixed-use complex. The projected price tag to carry out the redo is at least $62 million. While the property’s owner and developer MRN Ltd. has been kicking around various ideas for reusing the property for the last couple of years, none of those concepts have advanced as far as this stage of nailing down its financing for a specific program. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2023/05/27/voss-factory-conversion-comes-into-focus/ This complementary development should reenforce Harbor Bay's decision to proceed with Intro II. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
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