On 10/5/2023 at 8:32 AM, YABO713 said:

That sits behind my favorite house in the city... 

 

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4876609,-81.7130433,3a,75y,332.83h,89.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skU_jviuE3uiG8tBXKm-h6g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

 

 

holy pinot noir, coke and cigars batman!

 

but you have to wonder -- who in the hell's taste was that? 😂

 

i freakin love it -- good find. 👍

 
 
holy pinot noir, coke and cigars batman!
 
but you have to wonder -- who in the hell's taste was that? [emoji23]
 
i freakin love it -- good find. [emoji106]

Side note: If all of Cleveland neighborhoods had an alley system like Ohio City and Glenville (a neglected one but I digress) it could make a cool bike lane system that could get bikers around the city while avoiding main roads.

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I have no pictures cuz I was driving, but crews were out yesterday clearing the last of the trees and debris for the Franklin Blvd realignment next to the Riverview Welcome Center/Riverview Towers

 

Edit: sorry mods!, this should be in Irishtown Bend 😭

Edited October 14, 20231 yr by Geowizical

Did anyone else notice that All Things for You on Lorain appears to be closed?

 

We’d go in there all the time and there were always people in there. Anyone have an idea what happened?

8 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

Did anyone else notice that All Things for You on Lorain appears to be closed?

 

We’d go in there all the time and there were always people in there. Anyone have an idea what happened?

 

My wife dragged me down there on Sunday to buy a table that she "needed" and the whole place was gutted. From what I understand they had some major water damage recently that they are looking to repair, and then reopen. I hope everything works out in the process, it was/is a great store. 

59 minutes ago, MuRrAy HiLL said:

There’s been work going on there for a few weeks or so.

9 hours ago, ELaunder said:

 

My wife dragged me down there on Sunday to buy a table that she "needed" and the whole place was gutted. From what I understand they had some major water damage recently that they are looking to repair, and then reopen. I hope everything works out in the process, it was/is a great store. 

 

I certainly hope so. That place is a neighborhood staple and truly is one of the few retail places in the neighborhood that serves every demographic

9 hours ago, MuRrAy HiLL said:

 

I don't want to be a naysayer, and I'm really happy they found a good business to occupy the space. 

 

But my gut is telling me to be skeptical of a third Mexican restaurant within a half mile and 5th LA restaurant in the neighborhood generally. 

 

Again, I hope I'm wrong and this is still a very positive development. 

1 hour ago, YABO713 said:

 

I don't want to be a naysayer, and I'm really happy they found a good business to occupy the space. 

 

But my gut is telling me to be skeptical of a third Mexican restaurant within a half mile and 5th LA restaurant in the neighborhood generally. 

 

Again, I hope I'm wrong and this is still a very positive development. 

Like everywhere in Cleveland, the area just requires more residential density and anything can succeed. 

13 hours ago, MuRrAy HiLL said:

 

What's wild is I saw on this message board weeks or over a month ago that they were going in there. We must have a lot of insiders on these boards given all the inside and early scoops I read on here well before any public articles are published lol.

Names will be changing next spring on one of Ohio City's largest buildings....

 

 

New design may give 45 West apartment project in Ohio City new life

STAN BULLARD

October 24, 2023

 

 

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Though it has been stalled in the Cleveland architectural review process since spring, a reimagined plan for the 45 West apartment project may be on the cusp of reviving the proposed 87-unit development.

 

Three new buildings now are proposed, replacing an initial design for a single T-shaped building on a contorted city site with street access at 4430 Lorain and the West 44th and West 45th side streets.

 

A 19th-century funeral home with classic features, originally slated to be demolished, is retained in the current plan. 

 

https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/45-west-apartment-project-gets-new-design-new-life

glad to see the developer didn't get discouraged despite the roadblocks! Wild that people had issues with the original design. 

 

 

EDIT: If anyone wants to get their blood boiling, there is a folder in the agenda for the Landmarks meeting tomorrow that has all the public comments from the NIMBYers lol:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ewesitvhyvvv04e/AACmoUe_U5ukYphAy0ovv9jSa/45 West public comment?dl=0&subfolder_nav_tracking=1

Edited October 25, 20231 yr by dwolfi01

1 minute ago, dwolfi01 said:

glad to see the developer didn't get discouraged despite the roadblocks! Wild that people had issues with the original design. 

I fear Julie and Michelle will be arguing "it's too big" and "not enough parking" again like the July 27th review. Hopefully Director Huang speaks with them before the meeting and reminds them of what their role is as she was mostly supportive of the first proposal. 

21 minutes ago, dwolfi01 said:

glad to see the developer didn't get discouraged despite the roadblocks! Wild that people had issues with the original design. 

 

 

EDIT: If anyone wants to get their blood boiling, there is a folder in the agenda for the Landmarks meeting tomorrow that has all the public comments from the NIMBYers lol:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ewesitvhyvvv04e/AACmoUe_U5ukYphAy0ovv9jSa/45 West public comment?dl=0&subfolder_nav_tracking=1

My favorite are the comments from the owners of B&G tavern who own almost the entire west portion of West 45th between Lorain and Bridge. Most of these they use as unregistered rentals and continue to decay/age without remedy. One of their lots is a former city park lot. They commented about how the developers didn't include public green space... yet they own a former city owned lot that functioned as a community space long ago which sits in decay. They have the audacity to ask for green space and claim all of the apartments are empty in the area. So frustrating. 

On 10/25/2023 at 10:12 AM, downtownjoe said:

My favorite are the comments from the owners of B&G tavern who own almost the entire west portion of West 45th between Lorain and Bridge. Most of these they use as unregistered rentals and continue to decay/age without remedy. One of their lots is a former city park lot. They commented about how the developers didn't include public green space... yet they own a former city owned lot that functioned as a community space long ago which sits in decay. They have the audacity to ask for green space and claim all of the apartments are empty in the area. So frustrating. 

Update: It passed at Landmarks (7-1). Michelle was the lone "no". I'm not sure where Julie was but the rest of the committee voted in favor. I don't think it'll have issues at CPC but I could see them asking for different materials. NIMBY's are close to defeat here.

Wowowowowow... just read those comments. 

 

People say "density" as if it was a four letter word.

One highlight: "You are deliberately TORTURING Cleveland West Side residents"

21 minutes ago, hamish20 said:

One highlight: "You are deliberately TORTURING Cleveland West Side residents"

Maybe these people would prefer to live in a neighborhood without any new development. There's plenty to choose from. 

^They would, it couldn't be any more clear.

My favorite are the comments from the owners of B&G tavern who own almost the entire west portion of West 45th between Lorain and Bridge. Most of these they use as unregistered rentals and continue to decay/age without remedy. One of their lots is a former city park lot. They commented about how the developers didn't include public green space... yet they own a former city owned lot that functioned as a community space long ago which sits in decay. They have the audacity to ask for green space and claim all of the apartments are empty in the area. So frustrating. 

What’s stopping you from showing up to the meeting and calling them out for their hypocrisy? Lol. Actually though honest question. Someone should.


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7 hours ago, ASP1984 said:

What’s stopping you from showing up to the meeting and calling them out for their hypocrisy? Lol. Actually though honest question. Someone should.


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We prioritize what's most important and I'm a firm believer in protecting that time/energy. Arguing with people set in their ways isn't a way I'd prefer to spend my time. I'm in technology for a reason– not law or politics. I do write in support and gather support from other like minded folk to write in as well.

2 hours ago, downtownjoe said:

We prioritize what's most important and I'm a firm believer in protecting that time/energy. Arguing with people set in their ways isn't a way I'd prefer to spend my time. I'm in technology for a reason– not law or politics. I do write in support and gather support from other like minded folk to write in as well.

 

Fair enough. The developer in me enjoys leaning into (tactful?) confrontation. 

 

Edited October 27, 20231 yr by ASP1984

2061 Gehring Ave will be renovated back into storefronts.
 

 

Edited November 2, 20231 yr by downtownjoe

Seems North High and co-hatch owners had a rift between them which triggered the closing of north high. And that rift has a cost in the 10s of millions 

On 11/2/2023 at 4:24 PM, downtownjoe said:

2061 Gehring Ave will be renovated back into storefronts.
 

 

 

Love the thought of Gehring providing another street of retail parallel to West 25th. Between this, the retail storefronts on the opposite side of Gehring within Intro,  and whatever materializes for the TOD lot at the opposite end of Gehring, this pocket kinda offers the opportunity for a similar cluster of businesses opposite the OC center to counterbalance Hingetown, not to mention the existing retail along Columbus or Intro Phase 2. With all that, it would be cool to see a Newbury-street in Boston / Crocker Park type of coordinated retail effort focused on higher end businesses (e.g. clothing, cannabis / hemp shops, eye glasses, and maybe if we're lucky... a small scale concert venue etc.). If we can only get some progress on a public parking garage and Carraige Works!

 

For the record, Ohio City does not have a concert venue akin to what you'd find along Detroit in Lakewood. If ya'll developers are reading this thread, Ohio City needs one frfr.

 

Lifted from the presentation: 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 6, 20231 yr by ASP1984

1 hour ago, ASP1984 said:

 

Love the thought of Gehring providing another street of retail parallel to West 25th. Between this, the retail storefronts on the opposite side of Gehring within Intro,  and whatever materializes for the TOD lot at the opposite end of Gehring, this pocket kinda offers the opportunity for a similar cluster of businesses opposite the OC center to counterbalance Hingetown, not to mention the existing retail along Columbus or Intro Phase 2. With all that, it would be cool to see a Newbury-street in Boston / Crocker Park type of coordinated retail effort focused on higher end businesses (e.g. clothing, cannabis / hemp shops, eye glasses, and maybe if we're lucky... a small scale concert venue etc.). If we can only get some progress on a public parking garage and Carraige Works!

 

For the record, Ohio City does not have a concert venue akin to what you'd find along Detroit in Lakewood. If ya'll developers are reading this thread, Ohio City needs one frfr.

 

Lifted from the presentation: 

 

 

 

 

This is why we need to save these types of buildings. We so easily approve demolition of these types of structures. Writing them off as obsolete and insignificant. In reality, it’s these smaller structures that stitch together the urban fabric.

Gillespie must have a fast food tenant in hand to propose this so he can get a drive-thru in the middle of Ohio City...

Just saw this. Do the NIMBYs actually have any traction here? I thought this was a go at this point. Sucks they didn't interview any supporters.

 

Ohio City homeowners share concerns about proposed apartment complex

I love the unintended irony of the news showing the blighted and vacant parcel that the project would be built on... 

1 hour ago, Rustbelter said:

Just saw this. Do the NIMBYs actually have any traction here? I thought this was a go at this point. Sucks they didn't interview any supporters.

 

Ohio City homeowners share concerns about proposed apartment complex

It received final approval from Landmarks a couple of weeks ago with a bunch of conditions relating to materials and windows.  Of course Anderson was the one no vote.

5 hours ago, Rustbelter said:

Just saw this. Do the NIMBYs actually have any traction here? I thought this was a go at this point. Sucks they didn't interview any supporters.

 

Ohio City homeowners share concerns about proposed apartment complex

 

I am definitely one to roll my eyes at the tired arguments like those showcased in this piece, but I do wonder whether 0.5 parking spaces per unit is legitimately concerning. 80-some units over 40-some parking spaces? Idk. It does seem a bit excessive. 

 

Anyone have facts or figures that puts this ratio into context?

8 hours ago, ASP1984 said:

 

I am definitely one to roll my eyes at the tired arguments like those showcased in this piece, but I do wonder whether 0.5 parking spaces per unit is legitimately concerning. 80-some units over 40-some parking spaces? Idk. It does seem a bit excessive. 

 

Anyone have facts or figures that puts this ratio into context?

I live next to this development. I walk it twice daily. I drive past it multiple times a week. All at various hours of the day and night. There is so much parking available on side streets.

8 hours ago, ASP1984 said:

 

I am definitely one to roll my eyes at the tired arguments like those showcased in this piece, but I do wonder whether 0.5 parking spaces per unit is legitimately concerning. 80-some units over 40-some parking spaces? Idk. It does seem a bit excessive. 

 

Anyone have facts or figures that puts this ratio into context?

Providing .5 spots per unit isn’t concerning, it’s common sense and a sign of progress. 

10 hours ago, ASP1984 said:

 
I am definitely one to roll my eyes at the tired arguments like those showcased in this piece, but I do wonder whether 0.5 parking spaces per unit is legitimately concerning. 80-some units over 40-some parking spaces? Idk. It does seem a bit excessive. 
 
Anyone have facts or figures that puts this ratio into context?

If we are to encourage TOD and take it seriously we have to stop the 1:1 Parking. Those who love their parking won't move here, those who love multiple modes of transportation will, it's simple. We have to start setting the foundation of a cultural change and simply put, not every building will be for everybody and their taste.

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Edited November 10, 20231 yr by MyPhoneDead

Lol the one woman who said people will just come and live here for 50 years and then leave and someone else comes in as a negative of the development... I mean what????? I also go here all the time and never have issue with parking. These people don't know anything going on

11 minutes ago, WindyBuckeye said:

Lol the one woman who said people will just come and live here for 50 years and then leave and someone else comes in as a negative of the development... I mean what????? I also go here all the time and never have issue with parking. These people don't know anything going on

 

I was confused by that too. I rewound, pretty sure she said "a few years," not 50. 

 

15 hours ago, YABO713 said:

I love the unintended irony of the news showing the blighted and vacant parcel that the project would be built on... 

 

yeah, those before/after shots, lmao. seals the deal imo.

2 hours ago, downtownjoe said:

I live next to this development. I walk it twice daily. I drive past it multiple times a week. All at various hours of the day and night. There is so much parking available on side streets.

 

that's reassuring. I have to admit, the 0.5 parking:unit ratio did make me wonder a bit. are there metrics that capture average street parking availability within a certain radius? 

 

Edited November 10, 20231 yr by Jax

If people move to a city, a real city, they already expect parking to be limited. That is what comes with moving to or living in urban areas, especially growing cities. Cleveland shouldn't limit its potential and its growth because people who chose to continue to live in a growing area to enjoy the benefits don't at the same time want to deal with the "drawbacks". 

 

The people will be the reason Cleveland is held back, not the city itself. 

15 minutes ago, Jax said:

 

I was confused by that too. I rewound, pretty sure she said "a few years," not 50. 

 

 

yeah, those before/after shots, lmao. seals the deal imo.

Ha ok that makes more sense but still whatever

An absolute twitter war opened up over this article.

 

The lady interviewed in it is fighting for her life.

 

I really get the feeling she knows that fighting this is the wrong thing to do but has just dug in this deep and can't go back now.

 

 

https://x.com/joeschwarten/status/1722743189017076213?s=20

If people move to a city, a real city, they already expect parking to be limited. That is what comes with moving to or living in urban areas, especially growing cities. Cleveland shouldn't limit its potential and its growth because people who chose to continue to live in a growing area to enjoy the benefits don't at the same time want to deal with the "drawbacks". 
 
The people will be the reason Cleveland is held back, not the city itself. 

This still doesn’t address the legitimate question of what ratios actually make sense, and are commonplace, in cities.

The generalized argument of “expect less parking in cities, so there” is equally irritating as “everyone is entitled to a parking space.” Not saying you should be providing the scientific answer we’re looking for, but offering a reminder that anecdote and feelings on either side of the debate make for poor public policy. The Cleveland planning community could be a lot smarter and more articulate in stating it’s case for less parking.

It isn’t unreasonable to ask how we stack up against “real cities” on an objective basis.


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This still doesn’t address the legitimate question of what ratios actually make sense, and are commonplace, in cities.

The generalized argument of “expect less parking in cities, so there” is equally irritating as “everyone is entitled to a parking space.” Not saying you should be providing the scientific answer we’re looking for, but offering a reminder that anecdote and feelings on either side of the debate make for poor public policy. The Cleveland planning community could be a lot smarter and more articulate in stating it’s case for less parking.

It isn’t unreasonable to ask how we stack up against “real cities” on an objective basis.

Never called your question illegitimate to clarify. It all depends on what you're trying to accomplish and since Cleveland is trying to become a 15-Minute city you need to make transit seem more convenient than driving. I feel that a .5 parking ratio accomplishes that. Less parking spots should lead to more street parking and more cars using street Parking makes parking a "hassle" which in theory should lead to encouraging residents to utilize Public transit.

NOW TO BE CLEAR, less convenient parking will only lead to more reliance on transit if RTA creates a convenient and enjoyable experience. If that doesn't happen, no parking ratio will matter, people will continue to use cars.

On 11/10/2023 at 7:41 AM, downtownjoe said:

I live next to this development. I walk it twice daily. I drive past it multiple times a week. All at various hours of the day and night. There is so much parking available on side streets.

Ummm not debating the merits of your argument but don't you live Downtown?

57 minutes ago, noname said:

Ummm not debating the merits of your argument but don't you live Downtown?

no, thats just where he gets his coffee.

1 hour ago, noname said:

Ummm not debating the merits of your argument but don't you live Downtown?

When I joined this forum I did! Lived downtown from 2015-2021. Ohio City since 2021.

In this weeks Ohio City community meeting, OCI said there would be another meeting on December 5th because there are 4-5 projects that needed to be shown to the community as they’re vying for tax abatement before it lowers at years end. I am wondering what projects those are.

Edited November 16, 20231 yr by downtownjoe

This one was reviewed at the last meeting.  Empty lot at 32nd & Franklin, 32 apts, all walk-up, parking behind.

 

Not a big modern architecture guy but I think it looks pretty dang good.  

 

3250 Lorain is being rehabbed into ground-floor commercial and two second-floor 2 bed 2 bath units.  I believe the work has already begun.