February 5, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, Luke_S said: The Scene article references a parking study and you're pretty close to what they found https://www.clevescene.com/news/updated-plans-for-lorain-midway-project-draw-praise-for-cyclist-safety-complaints-about-elimination-of-parking-spots-43588707 I was literally in the middle of typing up a reply asking that surely there must have been some parking survey done to study how many spots we would need lol. Thank you for the link!! Pretty much mirrors my anecdotal experiences driving down there. I frequent a few businesses down there and go at different times of the week and always had plenty of spots to pick from! They should really make this more publicly known whenever someone pushes back about lack of parking in a new plan to really show that their negative outlook is not backed up by the data and it'll be fine.
February 5, 20241 yr On 2/3/2024 at 10:53 AM, Rustbelter said: Here is a street in Montreal with a similar layout as what they want to do with Lorain Ave: https://maps.app.goo.gl/vymgPyWWhyT66jWx8 While I hate to say it, I do think the concerns about taking away parking are valid. Ohio City does not have the population density to support a walk-in customer base that can justify a stark decrease in parking. In order to not take this off topic I replied here. Short story is that bike lanes have been shown all over the world to either be net neutral or positive for businesses nearby. https://urbanohio.com/topic/2463-cleveland-akron-bicycling-developments-and-news/?do=findComment&comment=1138857 Edited February 5, 20241 yr by dastler
February 6, 20241 yr https://www.instagram.com/p/C27c5PaA2gK/?igsh=czE2MnlzZXo5NDlv probably related to a failure to come back from the water damage of their place on Lorain Ave. but All Things For You will be moving and cite parking as a bonus. “excited to announce that we will have our very own ample parking area! No more worrying about finding street parking.”
February 6, 20241 yr 53 minutes ago, BoomerangCleRes said: https://www.instagram.com/p/C27c5PaA2gK/?igsh=czE2MnlzZXo5NDlv probably related to a failure to come back from the water damage of their place on Lorain Ave. but All Things For You will be moving and cite parking as a bonus. “excited to announce that we will have our very own ample parking area! No more worrying about finding street parking.” That awesome storefront alone was a magnet to the place. And yeah, parking availability has never been an issue on that stretch. People can be quite dramatic about parking.
February 6, 20241 yr I’m glad they are able to restart the business. It’s an awesome store. That space must be completely borked. At this rate they’ll have been closed almost a year.
February 6, 20241 yr To be clear they are open and have been open right next door it’s just not as spacious as the previous place
February 6, 20241 yr are the details/methodology of that parking study available anywhere? as much as i loathe to agree with the nimbys, if it was in fact conducted over just one weekend as one twitter commenter said then its validity is questionable and should be redone imo.
February 6, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Jax said: are the details/methodology of that parking study available anywhere? as much as i loathe to agree with the nimbys, if it was in fact conducted over just one weekend as one twitter commenter said then its validity is questionable and should be redone imo. https://acrobat.adobe.com/id/urn:aaid:sc:va6c2:f5b04cd9-a535-4d5b-8b98-0ef142b5e5e3
February 6, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, Jax said: are the details/methodology of that parking study available anywhere? as much as i loathe to agree with the nimbys, if it was in fact conducted over just one weekend as one twitter commenter said then its validity is questionable and should be redone imo. So to answer your question, it looks like it was conducted over one weekend and the following Tuesday. I don't think that invalidates the study, provided those days were reasonably representative of average days, it just needs to be taken for what it is. After quickly glancing through the study, the main takeaways to me is that people are staying well beyond the limited time, and that only a few short sections of Lorain really fill up from a parking perspective, which unsurprisingly line up with restaurants and bars. Thanks @dastlerfor the file!
February 6, 20241 yr 20 hours ago, marty15 said: That awesome storefront alone was a magnet to the place. And yeah, parking availability has never been an issue on that stretch. People can be quite dramatic about parking. This discussion should be continued over in the retail thread. clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
February 7, 20241 yr 22 hours ago, dastler said: https://acrobat.adobe.com/id/urn:aaid:sc:va6c2:f5b04cd9-a535-4d5b-8b98-0ef142b5e5e3 thank you! 21 hours ago, Ethan said: So to answer your question, it looks like it was conducted over one weekend and the following Tuesday. I don't think that invalidates the study, provided those days were reasonably representative of average days, it just needs to be taken for what it is. After quickly glancing through the study, the main takeaways to me is that people are staying well beyond the limited time, and that only a few short sections of Lorain really fill up from a parking perspective, which unsurprisingly line up with restaurants and bars. Thanks @dastlerfor the file! I respectfully disagree. That's drawing conclusions for a given day of the week based on a single sample. It's a big assumption to say they are reasonable representations and is why a larger sample size is needed to confirm. Don't get me wrong I 100% support this project, but if they are going to use statistics to support their case, imo they should be much more robust. This feels disingenuous to me.
February 7, 20241 yr 15 minutes ago, Jax said: thank you! I respectfully disagree. That's drawing conclusions for a given day of the week based on a single sample. It's a big assumption to say they are reasonable representations and is why a larger sample size is needed to confirm. Don't get me wrong I 100% support this project, but if they are going to use statistics to support their case, imo they should be much more robust. This feels disingenuous to me. I'm not sure we really disagree at all. The study's value stems from it's methodology. It being not as robust as it could have been means it's finding are less strong than they could be. More uncertainty, larger error bars, etc. Unless the study was clearly conducted on outlier days (eg bad weather all three days) I still think the results are useful, just more uncertain than they would otherwise be. (Eg +/- 30% instead of +/- 10%). The only way it's perhaps disingenuous, is that the people presenting the study don't go into the nuances and limitations of the study. That's arguably disingenuous, but that problem is pervasive through basically all journalism about scientific articles and studies. As much as I'd like to see that societal change, I'm not holding my breath. Personally, after reading the study, I'd take the results with a grain of salt, but it's still the best information we have. And since it tends to agree with the experiences of people on this forum (including my own), I tend to think it's basically correct despite the small sample size (but that's just a feeling). Obviously it would be much better if it were conducted over 6 days instead of 3, and 12 would be even better, but there's tradeoffs in money and time.
February 7, 20241 yr 6 hours ago, Jax said: thank you! I respectfully disagree. That's drawing conclusions for a given day of the week based on a single sample. It's a big assumption to say they are reasonable representations and is why a larger sample size is needed to confirm. Don't get me wrong I 100% support this project, but if they are going to use statistics to support their case, imo they should be much more robust. This feels disingenuous to me. There's lies, damned lies, and statistics. I think the key here is that collecting this data takes time ($$$). The only current way around the money part would be to get volunteers to gather the information. The best option is really to install parking meters that charge 24/7 and then we could just pull the data. Even better, if meters are installed we could do something like San Francisco and use the data to dynamically adjust parking costs based on demand https://www.sfmta.com/getting-around/drive-park/demand-responsive-pricing/learn-more-about-demand-responsive-parking In the end, I'd argue that even with perfect data it doesn't really matter. If you're a business owner, does it really matter how many spaces are empty/used? What you really care about is if your bottom line will be affected by a reduction in parking spaces. As I've posted elsewhere, I'm not aware of a single study ever conducted showing adding bike lanes reduces business revenue. Residents nearby are typically most worried about losing "their" parking spaces in front of their houses. But again, the current empty/used spaces doesn't tell you what will happen with a reduction. Pretty much the only people that should "care" about the current number of empty/used spaces are those driving and parking there. In my opinion, they shouldn't have a say in the matter anyway because they're not the ones living or operating a business nearby.
February 12, 20241 yr Looks like the City is considering permanently closing W29th street to cars. Actually, they just got the grant, so it looks like they're doing it barring any major pushback! https://www.pps.org/projects/w-29th-street-open-street Edited February 12, 20241 yr by Ethan
February 12, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, Ethan said: Looks like the City is considering permanently closing W29th street to cars. Actually, they just got the grant, so it looks like they're doing it! https://www.pps.org/projects/w-29th-street-open-street The NIMBY's in that area are going to absolutely lose it over this.
February 12, 20241 yr heck yeah. Would love to see these streets repaved one day after they're closed to give a more "pedestrian plaza" feel to it so it still doesn't feel like you're just walking on a road.
February 14, 20241 yr Cleveland wins grants for Public Square, Ohio City public spaces By Ken Prendergast / February 14, 2024 A pair of $100,000 grants were awarded to improve two public spaces in Cleveland that are visited by people from throughout the metropolitan area and beyond. The grants were awarded by the New York City-based Project for Public Spaces from funding originally provided by the General Motors Corp. to offer more inclusive, welcoming environments. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2024/02/14/cleveland-wins-grants-for-public-square-ohio-city-public-spaces/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 14, 20241 yr Nice news about using the funding for programming activities. I've lost track of the barriers on the square. Last l remember was they were slated for removing. Is that supposed to happen this year, next year or never?
February 15, 20241 yr 18 hours ago, KJP said: Cleveland wins grants for Public Square, Ohio City public spaces By Ken Prendergast / February 14, 2024 A pair of $100,000 grants were awarded to improve two public spaces in Cleveland that are visited by people from throughout the metropolitan area and beyond. The grants were awarded by the New York City-based Project for Public Spaces from funding originally provided by the General Motors Corp. to offer more inclusive, welcoming environments. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2024/02/14/cleveland-wins-grants-for-public-square-ohio-city-public-spaces/ There's an irony in General Motors giving a grant to make an urban space more pedestrian friendly.
February 15, 20241 yr The complaints from businesses are too bad so sad. We have to go through this transition period to begin our shift in focus on how we traverse those neighborhoods. It has to start somewhere and we have to rip this bandaid off eventually. If this is the same street I'm thinking of, it is EXTREMELY tight and makes no sense to be a two way street as is.I watch urban YouTube channels that actually covered the topics of closing streets to traffic and a lot of the examples they showed had positive upticks in traffic. Sent from my Pixel 8 Pro using Tapatalk
February 16, 20241 yr I drove by this morning and it looks like the traffic calming measures at Bridge and 41st - including the planters and reflectors have all already been removed. The decorative paint is still down though. I hope this is temporary, otherwise that was a short lived experiment.
February 16, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, YABO713 said: I drove by this morning and it looks like the traffic calming measures at Bridge and 41st - including the planters and reflectors have all already been removed. The decorative paint is still down though. I hope this is temporary, otherwise that was a short lived experiment. Received this email yesterday... Quote Good morning, friends, For those who don’t know me, my name is Julia and I started at Ohio City Inc. in December replacing Nate Lull’s position. I hope to help create more collaborative opportunities to promote street safety in the future. I’m sorry to report that yesterday Ohio City Inc. had to return the W. 44th and Bridge street supplies (delineators, bike corrals, and planters) to NOACA, who lent them to us for short-term use. We’ve gotten a lot out of those supplies while they’ve lasted and have noticed the traffic become calmer and safer there. Thank you all so so much for your energy and help on this project, we couldn’t have done it without you! Prior to returning these supplies, the city applied for dollars to permanently improve the intersection design through ladder style painted crosswalks with raised, painted curb extensions. To know that the demonstration project was a success, and the city is working to create permanent changes is a huge win. BUT now the intersection is back to how it previously functioned: faster cars and less safe. Ohio City Inc. is talking with the Councilman, City Planning and Bike Cleveland looking to coordinate how we can get sturdier delineators on site ASAP until we have a permanent redesign. I will be sure to keep you all posted on as we push for a safe W. 44 and Bridge! Thanks, Julia Mettler-Grove (she/her) Planning and Development Associate Ohio City Inc.
February 16, 20241 yr 41 minutes ago, ilivecle said: Received this email yesterday... I appreciate the update... I can't imagine the shape of some of those reflective barriers upon return...
February 22, 20241 yr On 2/12/2024 at 1:45 PM, downtownjoe said: The NIMBY's in that area are going to absolutely lose it over this. The City Planning Commission is discussing this with the block club tonight 7-8:30 p.m. at St. John's Parish Hall. Please feel free to join and make your voice heard.
February 24, 20241 yr Aw man, I wanted to break that news along with a new restaurant on West 25th! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 24, 20241 yr 8 hours ago, KJP said: Aw man, I wanted to break that news along with a new restaurant on West 25th! I still want the food news!
February 24, 20241 yr 9 hours ago, freethink said: Local company Guitar Riot is planning a move to 4517 Lorain Ave. Very nice. The barbecue place Proof formally of Tremont is also going into that building.
February 24, 20241 yr 41 minutes ago, stpats44113 said: The barbecue place Proof formally of Tremont is also going into that building. Proof is going into the old Nick's Diner spot which is 4116 Lorain. They're almost ready to open. 10 hours ago, KJP said: Aw man, I wanted to break that news along with a new restaurant on West 25th! I don't want to argue with the greatest of all time but technically I broke that news in this thread a few months back 😉 Do tell on the new restaurant on W 25th, though.
February 24, 20241 yr 10 hours ago, KJP said: Aw man, I wanted to break that news along with a new restaurant on West 25th! Any news on 2104 W25th? (Abandoned Dave’s Hot Chicken). It’s an eyesore in its current state.
February 24, 20241 yr 51 minutes ago, downtownjoe said: Proof is going into the old Nick's Diner spot which is 4116 Lorain. They're almost ready to open. I don't want to argue with the greatest of all time but technically I broke that news in this thread a few months back 😉 Do tell on the new restaurant on W 25th, though. The condition of that building was so bad. While sad to lose Nick’s, it’s good that this building got a new life.
February 29, 20241 yr Royal Docks Brewing opening at former North High Space in Hingetown. https://www.cantonrep.com/story/lifestyle/food/2024/02/28/royal-docks-to-open-fourth-taproom-where-is-stark-based-brewer-heading/72778473007/
February 29, 20241 yr This is great news! I was really sad when North High closed. Great location and a quick like 3 minute walk for me. Can't wait to try this new place out!
March 1, 20241 yr Apologies for the screen grab, I’m having trouble sharing the link from my phone. I have so many expletives I’d like to say but won’t. Damn shame though
March 1, 20241 yr nooo!!! I loved that place :(. What a dramatic move by the landlord. Maybe someone else wanted to lease that space for a higher price so they jacked up the lease renewal to an obviously unobtainable rent so the current tenant is forced to vacate? Because why would they want an empty store front instead of a filled one?
March 1, 20241 yr Not a link to the Scene article, but here's another write up of Pearl Street closing from Cle Mag. Small says she's going to try to find another location to reopen, but this is sad. Good location, good atmosphere... https://clevelandmagazine.com/food-drink/articles/pearl-street-wine-market-cafe-to-close-at-the-end-of-march
March 1, 20241 yr This stinks! Some major damage to a renovation project on Lorain. I presume a car crashed into it overnight
March 1, 20241 yr Another one?? Hmm, methinks we need some sort of traffic calming on Lorain. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 1, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Jax said: is 25/sf really the going rate around there? seems steep That is steep
March 1, 20241 yr 19 minutes ago, KJP said: Another one?? Hmm, methinks we need some sort of traffic calming on Lorain. This must've been a false flag by you anti-car people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But in all seriousness, there's a BEAUTIFUL bar in there and they've been renovating for a while. I hope insurance covers it
March 1, 20241 yr 16 minutes ago, X said: That is steep Devil’s advocate, it says the current rent paid is $4,300. The landlord bought the building for $1.1M. I don’t know all the details but you’d definitely need more than $4,300 a month to break even.
March 1, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Luke_S said: Not a link to the Scene article, but here's another write up of Pearl Street closing from Cle Mag. Small says she's going to try to find another location to reopen, but this is sad. Good location, good atmosphere... https://clevelandmagazine.com/food-drink/articles/pearl-street-wine-market-cafe-to-close-at-the-end-of-march I know she's talented and accomplished and has forgotten more about the restaurant business than I'll ever know... But I think closing the Flying Fig was a mistake. My wife and I went to the Fig probably 10-15x a year and it was always buzzing and the atmosphere was great... When Pearl St. opened I think the menu and atmosphere were significantly more sterile than the Fig, so we stopped going. It's a shame, I loveeeee the location
March 1, 20241 yr Luckily Juneberry is amazing and thriving. I think she will find a new space nearby soon and something will fill the space shortly. Edited March 1, 20241 yr by WindyBuckeye
March 1, 20241 yr 30 minutes ago, YABO713 said: I know she's talented and accomplished and has forgotten more about the restaurant business than I'll ever know... But I think closing the Flying Fig was a mistake. My wife and I went to the Fig probably 10-15x a year and it was always buzzing and the atmosphere was great... When Pearl St. opened I think the menu and atmosphere were significantly more sterile than the Fig, so we stopped going. It's a shame, I loveeeee the location Yeah... Success in the restaurant business is very hard to come by. Most of them fail. Closing a successful restaurant to try something new in the hopes that it will maybe be more successful seems like a generally bad decision, and unnecessary risk. Props to her, that was a bold decision and it definitely showed confidence, but a few years on, perhaps it looks more like hubris? Hopefully she finds success somewhere else, and that location is filled quickly.
March 1, 20241 yr It's not just commercial landlords jacking up the rent. Housing landlords are doing it too. There must be something going on other than greed. Or maybe it IS just greed. Don't want to de-rail the topic, just my two cents as this has been bothering me ever since l read about it.
March 1, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, YABO713 said: This stinks! Some major damage to a renovation project on Lorain. I presume a car crashed into it overnight This may change the tune of some business owners critical of the traffic calming plan.
March 1, 20241 yr I'll underscore that I'm no expert in commercial real estate leasing, but I'm curious to see how many small restaurants would be able to pay $11k per month for that space. It is prime real estate, but still seems like a lot.
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