3 hours ago, TDi said:

Not sure if any of this is new info but I was at a Block Club meeting last night and the majority of the meeting was derailed due to concerns related to lack of parking with the Lorain Midway project. To mitigate the parking concerns it was mentioned that there is an RFP going out soon for the McCafferty site on Lorain Ave and it will most likely have some form of public parking garage element to it. I've been waiting for this site to be developed but hoping its more than just a giant parking garage. Best case would be a public parking garage with apartments/condos on top and some retail.

 

Yes it's new. And from what I can gather, it's not a standalone garage but rather part of a mixed-use development. Still trying to learn more. If anyone has any insights, drop me a personal message here at UO and I'll keep you on deep background. 🕵️‍♂️

I despise the block club and the idea of an MF'ing parking garage... 

 

But... if it has a retail element on-street and will be large enough to throw in the face of those NIMBY chodes over the next decade any time they bring up parking, then I'm all for it. 

2 hours ago, Enginerd said:

Which block club?

 

I find the parking garage idea completely laughable. I have never once had a problem finding street parking practically directly in front of wherever I’m trying to go in the current set up. There is not some monstrous demand for parking here.

Bridge/Carroll/Jay

Once Irishtown Bend Park and the proposed megaprojects along West 25th are completed, not to mention the Lorain Midway, a parking garage will be absolutely necessary in OC. 

 

Edited April 11, 20241 yr by ASP1984

10 minutes ago, ASP1984 said:

Once Irishtown Bend Park and the proposed megaprojects along West 25th are completed, not to mention the Lorain Midway, a parking garage will be absolutely necessary in OC. 

 

 

Cast my vote for something substantial and mixed-use behind WSM. 

 

I think that's absolutely the case. Look around. All the popular areas in other cities around the country have had to build parking garages. And like @TDi said best case scenario is a garage with retail facing the street. Next best would be a facade that looks like a building.

1 hour ago, surfohio said:

 

Cast my vote for something substantial and mixed-use behind WSM. 

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyZOzPEv-Wi/?igsh=MW53Njd1cjMzdjIzbQ==

 

 

I've seen this idea on Instagram, and absolutely love it. 

That site should be large enough to incorporate both apartments and a garage that provides public parking. Then of course people will complain about a large building there.

 

If Ohio City reaches its potential parking is going to be an issue, even if it's not a big deal today. I think Short North in Columbus would be a good model for parking management and facilities.

I am for a parking garage if it appeases NIMBYs and is handled like the Church and State garage where we have retail in the front and a lot of residential on top. 

3 hours ago, PlanCleveland said:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyZOzPEv-Wi/?igsh=MW53Njd1cjMzdjIzbQ==

 

 

I've seen this idea on Instagram, and absolutely love it. 

And it looks like the previous 16 story version of Bridgeworks was part of that vision - and it sure looked good in there!  

13 hours ago, YABO713 said:

Counter-counterpoint - every inch of that artificial grass is open to the community for public use

Wait are you telling me I could have been running on that track this whole time?? I assumed it was locked up. That's good news

13 hours ago, ASP1984 said:

Once Irishtown Bend Park and the proposed megaprojects along West 25th are completed, not to mention the Lorain Midway, a parking garage will be absolutely necessary in OC. 

 

Maybe along W25th, but not at W44th. No one is going to park there to walk to Irishtown Bend.

54 minutes ago, Enginerd said:

Maybe along W25th, but not at W44th. No one is going to park there to walk to Irishtown Bend.

The potential garage would be located at W41th, not W44th.
 

I could see a future where visitors park there, hit up shops up and down Lorain, then use the Midway to eventually end up at Irish Bend. 

Perfect graphic  for the OC density and parking discussion. 

49 minutes ago, Clefan98 said:

The potential garage would be located at W41th, not W44th.
 

I could see a future where visitors park there, hit up shops up and down Lorain, then use the Midway to eventually end up at Irish Bend. 

 

Some will, but the amount of people who will walk more than a couple blocks to get anywhere is marginal.

10 hours ago, dwolfi01 said:

Wait are you telling me I could have been running on that track this whole time?? I assumed it was locked up. That's good news

The two fields along Chatham between W 28th & W 32nd are open to the public, but the field / track at Lorain & W 28th is not open to the public as far as I know. 

would be great if we could replace daves and get a downtown cincy urban Kroger type development with built in parking.
 

which goes along with probably a fair amount of your points that mixed use development build off a parking garage would be great, although with the nimbys that we have in the neighborhood probably safe to assume nothing at this scale except maybe behind WSM would probably make it off the ground 

 

 

7 hours ago, Enginerd said:

Maybe along W25th, but not at W44th. No one is going to park there to walk to Irishtown Bend.

 

I'd welcome any proactive investment by the City to encourage more density in that part of Ohio City. Building a parking garage would alleviate anticipated future concerns over congestion and a lack of parking; hence, lowering the barrier for denser developments that would otherwise receive pushback due to parking. Wherever they are, parking garages have their rightful place in enabling desirable urban fabric. 

 

Edited April 12, 20241 yr by ASP1984

1 hour ago, ASP1984 said:

Building a parking garage would alleviate anticipated future concerns over congestion and a lack of parking; hence, lowering the barrier for denser developments that would otherwise receive pushback due to parking. Wherever they are, parking garages have their rightful place in enabling desirable urban fabric.

I'm not sure that building more parking actually alleviates parking issues.  More parking encourages more people to drive.  It's counterintuitive I suppose, but this has been proved by traffic experts who show that adding more lanes of traffic actually create more congestion, not less.  I'm not saying that parking garages don't have their place in the city, but I think that we need to alternatives.  We need to diversify our transportation options.  I thought this was a good article

 

https://www.vox.com/23712664/parking-lots-urban-planning-cities-housing

I moved it over to this thread to stay on the good side of our almighty admins, but I don't think Downtown and the near Westside can keep growing at their current rates without big improvements to transit with all of the potential added density.  You can't call yourself a 15 minute city and give all of these TOD parking variances if you're going to have the Red line, Health line, and Blue/Green lines to Shaker Square as the the only 15 minute frequency lines outside of weekday work hours.  A lot of people needing affordable TOD housing don't work normal hours, and also want to do things outside of work hours.  Most other people who want to use transit for other things in daily life won't use it if the frequency is 30 minutes at best.  

Learning a lot about developments in Ohio City today 

Okay, lots of good discussion here but splitting into some tangential topics. Going to need some time to parse out posts to appropriate threads, thanks for your patience.

If you don't see your previous post/s here, they've been moved to the Streetscape thread. 

On 4/12/2024 at 4:21 PM, Dino said:

I'm not sure that building more parking actually alleviates parking issues.  More parking encourages more people to drive.  It's counterintuitive I suppose, but this has been proved by traffic experts who show that adding more lanes of traffic actually create more congestion, not less.  I'm not saying that parking garages don't have their place in the city, but I think that we need to alternatives.  We need to diversify our transportation options.  I thought this was a good article

 

https://www.vox.com/23712664/parking-lots-urban-planning-cities-housing

 

Let's not conflate apples with oranges - parking garages and additional lanes of traffic are two different things. All I can say is that if you walk around any 5- 10-minute radius anywhere in Over the Rhine - arguably the densest multimodal urban neighborhood in Ohio - you will find a parking garage. It makes sense as part of a broader strategy - not as the only strategy. 

 

Edited April 15, 20241 yr by ASP1984

On 4/15/2024 at 1:56 PM, ASP1984 said:

 

Let's not conflate apples with oranges - parking garages and additional lanes of traffic are two different things. All I can say is that if you walk around any 5- 10-minute radius anywhere in Over the Rhine - arguably the densest multimodal urban neighborhood in Ohio - you will find a parking garage. It makes sense as part of a broader strategy - not as the only strategy. 

 

 

I believe you are right and it seems to work well for places like Crocker Park. Luckily, we have examples here that we could study, many years (decades?) ago, Coventry added a parking garage and it would be interesting to see (with data) if it was a long term aid or hindrance.

 

Personally, I would love to see the surface lots “behind” the West Side Market turned into high-rises with a few floors of parking under them. It would create more density while addressing all parking concerns.

5 hours ago, ragarcia said:

Personally, I would love to see the surface lots “behind” the West Side Market turned into high-rises with a few floors of parking under them. It would create more density while addressing all parking concerns.

This to me is a home run.   There has to be some clever developer and city employees who can figure out a public/private scheme to make this happen?  Maybe the city gives the land for free, and gets the building for $1 after 50 years?   Something along the lines of the County HQ building deal? 

Does the market own that lot? Seems that would be a big help to sell off part of that big lot to a developer to help fund the much needed renovations for the market they've been talking about while at the same time increasing their customer base even more with another big development potentially within a 5 minute walk of the market. Feel like that would be dream scenario.

Maybe they really need the parking rev 

I think optimizing the parking revenue is a pillar of the nonprofit’s plan. I definitely remember council asking about it during the funding meeting. I would guess a development is more likely after the market has become profitable. 

14 hours ago, dwolfi01 said:

Does the market own that lot? Seems that would be a big help to sell off part of that big lot to a developer to help fund the much needed renovations for the market they've been talking about while at the same time increasing their customer base even more with another big development potentially within a 5 minute walk of the market. Feel like that would be dream scenario.

I believe the city of Cleveland owns the WSM lots. 

The WSM doesn’t really “own” anything - the city owns the market and the lots. But the nonprofit is in charge of managing both. 

On 4/12/2024 at 1:00 PM, BoomerangCleRes said:

would be great if we could replace daves and get a downtown cincy urban Kroger type development with built in parking.
 

which goes along with probably a fair amount of your points that mixed use development build off a parking garage would be great, although with the nimbys that we have in the neighborhood probably safe to assume nothing at this scale except maybe behind WSM would probably make it off the ground 

 

 

 

great example. otoh i think people get discouraged if its not tied to some brand new grand highrise development, but that isnt needed for a downtown grocery. out here we are blessed to have one in our nothing special lowrise apt building. older bldgs have them too. just saying if a major grocer wanted in downtown it could be done in an existing structure.

On 4/16/2024 at 3:55 PM, ragarcia said:

 

I believe you are right and it seems to work well for places like Crocker Park. Luckily, we have examples here that we could study, many years (decades?) ago, Coventry added a parking garage and it would be interesting to see (with data) if it was a long term aid or hindrance.

 

Personally, I would love to see the surface lots “behind” the West Side Market turned into high-rises with a few floors of parking under them. It would create more density while addressing all parking concerns.

 

Thought I’d share a speculative passion project that I’ve been working on for a while now, since it pertains to the discussion. (link to animation below)

I plan to give a public presentation on this and a few other speculative projects in the near future. If that interests anyone then I can provide a date when it’s determined.

 

Would enjoy y’all’s thoughts!

 

These designs are by no means “the answer” - only initial ideas. I am, and have been, sharing these ideas to start a conversation about the potential of the WSM parking lots, W 25th Station, and other nearby properties in a visual format. Attached is an image of a map I put together that identifies surface lots in the district and the number of parking stalls in each.

 

Some intentions of the design ideas:

• Activate the W 25th Red Line Station with a built structure instead of the typical stand alone island station and provide (2) headhouses. One where’s currently. The other would connect to a public plaza where the WSM parking lots are currently. 
• Clean up the Gehring & Lorain intersection that’s currently completely f**ked with the WSM parking lot gates on heavily attended days. A 3-4 story parking garage could be provided in each new structure that would occupy where the lots are currently. The current WSM parking lots contain a total ~600 parking stalls. 
• Continue W 22nd back to W 24th 
• Connect the market district to Irishtown Bend from W 22nd on a City owned parcel. (Love sitting on the guardrail at that overlook.)
• Extend Market Ave from the market parking lots to W 28th St by opening the NE corner of the produce pavilion and activating the alley between the market and market pavilion. 
• Activate the OCI owned lots next to GLBC along W 26th with park & multi-family structure

 

 

 

 

Edited April 20, 20241 yr by bdaily

OUTSTANDING!

Would absolutely love if they developed that RTA station lot like that!!

19 hours ago, bdaily said:

 

Thought I’d share a speculative passion project that I’ve been working on for a while now, since it pertains to the discussion. (link to animation below)

I plan to give a public presentation on this and a few other speculative projects in the near future. If that interests anyone then I can provide a date when it’s determined.

 

Would enjoy y’all’s thoughts!

 

These designs are by no means “the answer” - only initial ideas. I am, and have been, sharing these ideas to start a conversation about the potential of the WSM parking lots, W 25th Station, and other nearby properties in a visual format. Attached is an image of a map I put together that identifies surface lots in the district and the number of parking stalls in each.

 

Some intentions of the design ideas:

• Activate the W 25th Red Line Station with a built structure instead of the typical stand alone island station and provide (2) headhouses. One where’s currently. The other would connect to a public plaza where the WSM parking lots are currently. 
• Clean up the Gehring & Lorain intersection that’s currently completely f**ked with the WSM parking lot gates on heavily attended days. A 3-4 story parking garage could be provided in each new structure that would occupy where the lots are currently. The current WSM parking lots contain a total ~600 parking stalls. 
• Continue W 22nd back to W 24th 
• Connect the market district to Irishtown Bend from W 22nd on a City owned parcel. (Love sitting on the guardrail at that overlook.)
• Extend Market Ave from the market parking lots to W 28th St by opening the NE corner of the produce pavilion and activating the alley between the market and market pavilion. 
• Activate the OCI owned lots next to GLBC along W 26th with park & multi-family structure

 

 

 

 

I love this idea so much and I've shared it in posts on here before haha. If only I had the money to do it. My idea for a little change was having the W25 BRT project upgraded to a streetcar that would run behind the WSM to avoid that busy intersection. Then you would have a stop right at the stairs you have set up connecting to the station. 

I saw this delightful sign today. Apologies if its already been added elsewhere.

2 hours ago, originaljbw said:

I saw this delightful sign today. Apologies if its already been added elsewhere.

I said something similar recently but I said "The best cities have some of the worst traffic".

Ohio City Hotel? 

 

I'm hearing plans for a hotel on this site in Ohio City.  I don't have any other details.  Just wondering if anyone has heard anything similar.

I'm promised info for an article later this week.

Would be great if the proposed hotel could be built on a pedestal containing a parking garage that would serve the public as well as hotel guests.  The height NIMBYs cannot possibly object to something tall at this location.

13 hours ago, scb0525 said:

Ohio City Hotel? 

 

I'm hearing plans for a hotel on this site in Ohio City.  I don't have any other details.  Just wondering if anyone has heard anything similar.

I heard rumors about this two years ago soon after Intro opened up. I think Harbor Bay might be behind it?

1 hour ago, ASPhotoman said:

I heard rumors about this two years ago soon after Intro opened up. I think Harbor Bay might be behind it?

 

Sort of...

Harbor Bay (sort of) involved? I love the look of their buildings! glares over at Bridgeworks up the road....

 

kidding 🤣

https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2024/05/natures-oasis-to-open-natural-food-store-in-ohio-city.html

 

Nature's Oasis which has locations in Van Aken and Lakewood is opening a third store in Church + State in Ohio City. A small format grocery store/café like this should be great for the area and also great that it's filling in prime retail space at Church + State

1 hour ago, Geowizical said:

https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2024/05/natures-oasis-to-open-natural-food-store-in-ohio-city.html

 

Nature's Oasis which has locations in Van Aken and Lakewood is opening a third store in Church + State in Ohio City. A small format grocery store/café like this should be great for the area and also great that it's filling in prime retail space at Church + State

Man that was announced years ago, I assumed it was dead. Great news!

finally somewhere I can walk to and pick up milk and fruit and random stuff when I run out. The closest Heinen's is downtown and not the easiest to get to by car.

There is a Daves Market right by GLBC

26 minutes ago, bumsquare said:

Man that was announced years ago, I assumed it was dead. Great news!

 

Now let's just get something in the space that's had those GD "Let's French" banners in the window for 5 years... 

4 minutes ago, mack34 said:

There is a Daves Market right by GLBC

idk if its just me but their produce is bad. I've had to throw so much of it away after just a few days. I've noticed Heinen's stuff lasts at least a week in my fridge