December 28, 201014 yr Here is the reality of the situation in regards to the surface parking lots you are talkng about - they have nothing to do with the West Side Market. The United Bank Building on the corner of Lorain and west 25th was in a very bad state not too long ago. A developer stepped in and rescued the building. In order to attract a new tenant for the building the developer had to have 250 site adjacent parking spaces. This required all the existing spaces as well as additional ones that he got across the street by tearing down two commercal structures. The United Building is now fully leased. Without those lots or a parking garage the building would never have been redeveloped.
December 28, 201014 yr If you haven't already, take this short survey and let Ohio City Near West Development Corp know what you like and don't like about the OC/Market District and what directions they should focus on in the future: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ohiocitysurvey
December 28, 201014 yr Here is the reality of the situation in regards to the surface parking lots you are talkng about - they have nothing to do with the West Side Market. The United Bank Building on the corner of Lorain and west 25th was in a very bad state not too long ago. A developer stepped in and rescued the building. In order to attract a new tenant for the building the developer had to have 250 site adjacent parking spaces. This required all the existing spaces as well as additional ones that he got across the street by tearing down two commercal structures. The United Building is now fully leased. Without those lots or a parking garage the building would never have been redeveloped. I figured as much, and maybe it's a reasonable price to pay to refill a historic office building of that size. I agree that the strip plaza kills pedestrian continuity on 25th. Ideally the Market District could extend south to I-90 someday. It would also be nice if the area from the L-C bridge to 25th could be spruced up, since many people approach OC and WSM from that direction.
December 28, 201014 yr This area really needs some new construction to draw in new renters/buyers. I was there last week picking up some last min gifts from Penzey Spices in the large commercial building on the SW corner of Lorain & 25th. The block behind it would be ideal to do some new construction of housing & aptmts. Still walking distance to the RTA line & all the attractions in the area, without tearing down anything significant. Looked to be several parking lots and very old homes of little architectural value. You think "new" construction will do that? why? Because I know a lot of people, myself included, that would love to live in this area, but the lack of housing options prevent it. Excluding the condo market, the purchasing options are very limited. The vast majority is very old Victorian era homes, with high maintenance requirements. What options are in the area that are single family homes, or even townhomes, with modern layouts and amenities?
December 28, 201014 yr Interesting survey...really made me ponder the neighborhood. 12. What type of food or service is missing from the West Side Market that you would like to see added? Cooked seafood. Sushi. Burger stand. Some veggie/vegan options. 13. What is one thing we could do to make the West Side Market even better? Outdoor patios, decks, fire pits, pavillion, beer garden, landscaping and anything else that increases the beauty and enjoyment of the property and inspires people to stick around longer. If you haven't already, take this short survey and let Ohio City Near West Development Corp know what you like and don't like about the OC/Market District and what directions they should focus on in the future: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ohiocitysurvey
December 28, 201014 yr This area really needs some new construction to draw in new renters/buyers. I was there last week picking up some last min gifts from Penzey Spices in the large commercial building on the SW corner of Lorain & 25th. The block behind it would be ideal to do some new construction of housing & aptmts. Still walking distance to the RTA line & all the attractions in the area, without tearing down anything significant. Looked to be several parking lots and very old homes of little architectural value. You think "new" construction will do that? why? Because I know a lot of people, myself included, that would love to live in this area, but the lack of housing options prevent it. Excluding the condo market, the purchasing options are very limited. The vast majority is very old Victorian era homes, with high maintenance requirements. What options are in the area that are single family homes, or even townhomes, with modern layouts and amenities? there are many rehabs around the neighborhood where the work has already be completed, or a recent new build. much of south lorain (SoLo) is available at very reasonable prices - especially the style of homes found around 41st and bailey that are scattered about.
December 28, 201014 yr Similarly I know a lot of people, myself included, who have looked in OC for apartments and haven't found much to pick from. One would think an area so close to downtown would be stocked like Lakewood or Coventry, but alas.
December 28, 201014 yr I think everybody here would love to see more apartments in Ohio City, and downtown. Right not unfortunately that is not likely. We will just have to wait until that one day when projects can finally get the funding they need :(
December 28, 201014 yr Similarly I know a lot of people, myself included, who have looked in OC for apartments and haven't found much to pick from. One would think an area so close to downtown would be stocked like Lakewood or Coventry, but alas. There isn't much apartment stock. There are many homes that have been split up into decent rental units, but those are harder to find due poor advertising.
December 29, 201014 yr I rent in OC, I like my place, but I agree the choices are a bit limited. Not horribly, though. If you look, there are quite a few places, though this time of year many of the good ones are off the market. By the way, there will be a beer garden with outdoor portion soon right next to WSM, and Garage Bar has a patio, and so does Dragonfly. The outdoor stuff is always going to be a bit limited given the space restrictions and the fact they can only really use them 2/3 of the year. Some more trees by WSM would be nice, and a facelift for the market itself and the clock tower. Overall I'm very pleased. I have way too many shopping choices for food, several good restaurants and bars, a coffee place, barber, great lakes, and I'm within a quick drive of pretty much everything. Long-term, I'd like if there were some more townhome options, like the poster above. I've chatted with a couple residents who rented/owned houses and they complained about bums repeatedly and brazenly trespassing and stealing things from garages/porches, but no serious B&E or violence. Obviously apartments are far lower maintenance and the worst I've had is mild annoyance that my building doesn't have a garage.
December 29, 201014 yr By the way, there will be a beer garden with outdoor portion soon right next to WSM,... Will the Market Garden Brewery actually have a beer garden?
December 29, 201014 yr By the way, there will be a beer garden with outdoor portion soon right next to WSM,... Will the Market Garden Brewery actually have a beer garden? Yes. woot! sign me up...
December 29, 201014 yr Anyone know the status of the feasibility study for a "kitchen incubator" for the nabe? The idea as I understand it is to create a space where local food entrepreneurs could incubate their efforts before taking on their own space. An article on Green City Blue Lake indicated the hope was to have the study done by fall, but I didn't see any updates in the thread. http://www.gcbl.org/blog/marc-lefkowitz/ohio-city-farm-opens-shadow-west-side-market
January 2, 201114 yr A youth hostel? Not a very big one.... http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/agenda/2011/crr01-03-2011.html 9:30 Ward 3 Calendar No. 10-230: 4210 Franklin Boulevard Joe Cimperman Fred Presler, owner, appeals under the authority of Section 76-6 of the Charter of the City of Cleveland and Sections 329.01(e) and 329.02(d) of the Cleveland Codified Ordinances from the decision of the Deputy Director of the Cleveland Department of Building and Housing to issue Certificate of Occupancy CO10039332 dated October 22, 2010, identifying the building description for the property in question as “Youth Hostel” with 11 rooms to be used for temporary guests (3 story), contrary to the response provided January 5, 2010 for the property in question, stating that the property is authorized for Eleven RO’s (11 rooming occupancies). (Filed 11-11-10) "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 2, 201114 yr There was a story in the Scene about the hostel a month or so ago: http://m.clevescene.com/gyrobase/hostel-fire/Content?oid=2216133
January 3, 201114 yr A youth hostel? Not a very big one.... http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/agenda/2011/crr01-03-2011.html 9:30 Ward 3 Calendar No. 10-230: 4210 Franklin Boulevard Joe Cimperman Fred Presler, owner, appeals under the authority of Section 76-6 of the Charter of the City of Cleveland and Sections 329.01(e) and 329.02(d) of the Cleveland Codified Ordinances from the decision of the Deputy Director of the Cleveland Department of Building and Housing to issue Certificate of Occupancy CO10039332 dated October 22, 2010, identifying the building description for the property in question as “Youth Hostel” with 11 rooms to be used for temporary guests (3 story), contrary to the response provided January 5, 2010 for the property in question, stating that the property is authorized for Eleven RO’s (11 rooming occupancies). (Filed 11-11-10) Most aren't. 11 rooms would be a fair size for a hostel, especially if they're bunking multiple people per room.
January 11, 201114 yr Very cool!! Local nonprofit, bank devise grant competition to create jobs around West Side Market By KATHY CARR 2:10 pm, January 11, 2011 Ohio City Near West Development Corp. and Charter One Bank have announced a grant competition that aims to foster the development of small businesses and entrepreneurial initiatives around the West Side Market. The Ohio City Market District Small Business Development Grant Competition will provide winners with grants ranging from $3,000 to $20,000. http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20110111/FREE/110119947
January 11, 201114 yr Also on cleveland.com Charter One, Ohio City launch small business grant contest Published: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 By Michelle Jarboe, The Plain Dealer CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Small businesses and entrepreneurs in the area around Cleveland's West Side Market can compete this month for grants of $3,000 to $20,000, through a contest sponsored by Charter One bank. http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2011/01/charter_one_ohio_city_launch_s.html We are incredibly excited to be a part of this momentum building opportunity to bring more LOCAL tenants to our community. We expect to see some very competitive applications.
January 11, 201114 yr A youth hostel? Not a very big one.... http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/agenda/2011/crr01-03-2011.html 9:30 Ward 3 Calendar No. 10-230: 4210 Franklin Boulevard Joe Cimperman Fred Presler, owner, appeals under the authority of Section 76-6 of the Charter of the City of Cleveland and Sections 329.01(e) and 329.02(d) of the Cleveland Codified Ordinances from the decision of the Deputy Director of the Cleveland Department of Building and Housing to issue Certificate of Occupancy CO10039332 dated October 22, 2010, identifying the building description for the property in question as “Youth Hostel” with 11 rooms to be used for temporary guests (3 story), contrary to the response provided January 5, 2010 for the property in question, stating that the property is authorized for Eleven RO’s (11 rooming occupancies). (Filed 11-11-10) Could someone clarify this case for me--and I read the Scene article cited above as well. The owner wanted to sell it someone who was going to open a hostel. O'Leary from the Buildings Dept. fought it (cause he lived two doors down) and now it MUST be hostel, and the owner is now challenging that? And now the neighborhood is fighting it as well (so it can't be a hostel)? Also what was the Board of Zoning Appeals decision? Thanks.
January 11, 201114 yr ^^ & ^^^ Very cool. Althought that seems like a pretty tight timeframe for businesses to submit their proposals, particularly for true start-ups or prospective businesses. Is there a total grant budget for the program? It appears it's coming out of a larger pool of $130,000 but there wasn't an indication of whether it'd be up to $50,000 in grants, or $65,000 or $100,000.
January 11, 201114 yr There is $40,000 set aside for this program. That money could be divided between 13 businesses or 2 depending on the applications we recieve. While 3 weeks may be a somewhat tight timeline. It should ensure that we recieve well developed concepts from entrepeneurs who have seriosuly been working towards this that simply need the right spot and incentive, both of which we can provide.
January 12, 201114 yr Yeah, agree. Don't want to sound like a Johnny Naysayer ... It's an amazing project and looking forward to the results ... Just wasn't sure the degree to which this was aimed at businesses currently in the district or who've expressed interest already versus a wider effort to solicit new ideas and new business proposals. Regardless, great effort. Who actually makes the funding decision ... OCNW or Charter One or an external review panel or ...? Any news on the kitchen incubator feasibility planning?
January 12, 201114 yr The review panel will consist of some members of OCNW, a representative of Charter One, and some Neighborhood Stakeholders. In the original announcement of the $130,000 Charter One growing communities initiative in September it was stated that there would be a small business development competition, and we have recieved a substantial amount of calls regarding the program in the time since. So there are many businesses that have been aware of the process since that time. We expecect to recieve a multitude of very exciting proposals and we expect the decision making process to be very competetive and exciting. The kitchen incubator study should be complete in the very near future. We will post details as soon as they are available.
January 23, 201114 yr A youth hostel? Not a very big one.... http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/agenda/2011/crr01-03-2011.html 9:30 Ward 3 Calendar No. 10-230: 4210 Franklin Boulevard Joe Cimperman Fred Presler, owner, appeals under the authority of Section 76-6 of the Charter of the City of Cleveland and Sections 329.01(e) and 329.02(d) of the Cleveland Codified Ordinances from the decision of the Deputy Director of the Cleveland Department of Building and Housing to issue Certificate of Occupancy CO10039332 dated October 22, 2010, identifying the building description for the property in question as “Youth Hostel” with 11 rooms to be used for temporary guests (3 story), contrary to the response provided January 5, 2010 for the property in question, stating that the property is authorized for Eleven RO’s (11 rooming occupancies). (Filed 11-11-10) Could someone clarify this case for me--and I read the Scene article cited above as well. The owner wanted to sell it someone who was going to open a hostel. O'Leary from the Buildings Dept. fought it (cause he lived two doors down) and now it MUST be hostel, and the owner is now challenging that? And now the neighborhood is fighting it as well (so it can't be a hostel)? Also what was the Board of Zoning Appeals decision? Thanks.
January 27, 201114 yr Alaturka on West 25th Street is open for business! Ohio City's New Turkish Restaurant — Alaturka Posted by Douglas Trattner on Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:15 AM Like slow-rising pita dough, Alaturka (1917 W. 25th St., 216-298-9001, http://alaturka25.com) has taken its good sweet time to reach completion. It was originally slated to open this past summer. But Ohio City's newest ethnic eatery, a Turkish restaurant, opened this week on W. 25th Street. Operated by Yashar Yildirim, who introduced Clevelanders to Turkish cuisine at Anatolia Café, Alaturka takes over the space formerly occupied by Kan Zaman (which moved down the street)... http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2011/01/26/ohio-citys-new-turkish-restaurant-alaturka
January 27, 201114 yr Could someone clarify this case for me--and I read the Scene article cited above as well. The owner wanted to sell it someone who was going to open a hostel. O'Leary from the Buildings Dept. fought it (cause he lived two doors down) and now it MUST be hostel, and the owner is now challenging that? And now the neighborhood is fighting it as well (so it can't be a hostel)? Also what was the Board of Zoning Appeals decision? Thanks. I don't know why the neighborhood would be against it becoming a youth hostel. I would think having a place in Ohio City for young people traveling around the world to stay at would be a good thing.
January 27, 201114 yr Apologies if I missed it in my searches, but I don't think I've seen this posted. Campbell's Popcorn Shop Set for Expansion Posted by Douglas Trattner on Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 9:34 AM Campbell's Popcorn Shop (216-574-2899, campbellsweets.com) is about to explode. Since 2004, Jeff Campbell has operated his uber-popular popcorn and confections business from his wee stand at the West Side Market. But come late spring, he will have all the room he needs to continue expanding his business. That's when he'll open a roomy retail shop and kitchen just down the block, in the former home of W. 25th Street Furnishings space, which is being developed into multiple retail spaces. (No changes will be made to the West Side Market location.) More at: http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2011/01/13/campbells-popcorn-shop-set-for-expansion
January 27, 201114 yr A youth hostel? Not a very big one.... http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/agenda/2011/crr01-03-2011.html 9:30 Ward 3 Calendar No. 10-230: 4210 Franklin Boulevard Joe Cimperman Fred Presler, owner, appeals under the authority of Section 76-6 of the Charter of the City of Cleveland and Sections 329.01(e) and 329.02(d) of the Cleveland Codified Ordinances from the decision of the Deputy Director of the Cleveland Department of Building and Housing to issue Certificate of Occupancy CO10039332 dated October 22, 2010, identifying the building description for the property in question as “Youth Hostel” with 11 rooms to be used for temporary guests (3 story), contrary to the response provided January 5, 2010 for the property in question, stating that the property is authorized for Eleven RO’s (11 rooming occupancies). (Filed 11-11-10) Could someone clarify this case for me--and I read the Scene article cited above as well. The owner wanted to sell it someone who was going to open a hostel. O'Leary from the Buildings Dept. fought it (cause he lived two doors down) and now it MUST be hostel, and the owner is now challenging that? And now the neighborhood is fighting it as well (so it can't be a hostel)? Also what was the Board of Zoning Appeals decision? Thanks. I don't know what decision was made, but I know the rationale behind the opposition. There was a worry that if the hostel failed that the structure would return to being a boarding house (and that generally creates a nuissance, despresses real estate values and is accompanied by some unsavory behavior). I had heard that the neighborhood was seeking to have language placed on the deed that would basically restrict the property from reverting into a boarding house if the hostel failed.
January 29, 201114 yr Does the same zoning that allows a youth hostel also allow a boarding house? If so, then perhaps the zoning code needs to be refined. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 3, 201114 yr Just read on their Facebook page that Dim and Den Sum's restaurant Sum Place will not be going into the old Grind space on West 25th but will instead be opening somewhere in Lakewood. Lakewood's cool, but I would have preferred Cleveland for them.
February 3, 201114 yr That's too bad. Both spots are good, but they would have been a nice addition to OC as it gains more high profile restaurants / bars. Think they missed out on an opportunity there.
February 3, 201114 yr It actually didn't sound to me like they had picked Lakewood yet ... Just that they weren't going into Grind and are busy exploring other sites. Their follow-up post is "Love when councilmen call and put their teams to work finding us a new home." That doesn't really narrow down which councilman or even which council, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was either Cimperman or Zone, and if that's right, they might still land somewhere on the Near West Side.
February 5, 201114 yr 8ShadesofGray - Yeah, like actually changed their update about Lakewood, so maybe they jumped the gun with that post. They were just looking at space at the old Martini 20/20 bar on the West Bank of the Flats. Loved the space, not the location. Sounds like they're open to ideas of where to move, so if anyone has any, tell them! (http://www.facebook.com/dimndensum)
February 10, 201114 yr market square park to undergo $1.5M makeover Thursday, February 10, 2011 At a public meeting held last week at Market Avenue Wine Bar, planners showed off designs for the future Market Square Park, an Ohio City park slated to receive a $1.5 million makeover this year from the city. http://www.freshwatercleveland.com/devnews/marketsquarepark021011.aspx maybe this is old news, but CPA has some renderings http://www.clevelandpublicart.org/projects/completed/market-square-district
February 10, 201114 yr ^ I'm pretty sure those are pretty current renderings. As far as I know, the harvest moon / outdoor dining room concept was built to coincide with efforts around the approach Market Centennial, replacing some earlier renderings of a Market Square renovation that was proposed several years back.
February 10, 201114 yr Those are actually not the current plans, though the current plans are based off of that design. I will try to find the updated plans which have now been finalized. The park will break ground this spring. Also, here is the updated information on the Kitchen Incubator: Curious about the plan for a Commercial Kitchen Incubator facility for Northeastern Ohio? Monday, February 14th, 4:30 pm at the offices of OCNW, 2525 Market Ave, Suite A Ohio City Near West Development Corporation is working with consultant, Leslie Schaller to complete a feasibility plan for a Commercial Kitchen Incubator facility for Northeastern Ohio. Leslie will be provide an overview of Commercial Kitchen Incubator models on Monday, February 14th at the OCNW's office at 4:30 pm. If you are an established food business or an aspiring local food entrepreneur, farmer market vendor or area urban or rural farmer, the proposed incubator facility may be the answer for your new or expanding enterprise growth. Local food economies flourish with affordable, shared-use commercial space for food processing, foodservice and local food distribution opportunities. Unable to make it on Monday? Prospective tenants and area food and farm entrepreneurs can also make appointments with Leslie throughout the day by emailing [email protected] or calling Amanda at OCNW office (216-781-3222 x108). Appointments are avaliable between 10a-4pm. RSVP on facebook
February 10, 201114 yr Kitchen incubator? Fascinating! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 11, 201114 yr What the WSM needs is a television studio. Once a week there should be a feature on local chefs or restaurants to film with a live audience. Kitchen incubator? Fascinating!
February 23, 201114 yr I was in Penzy's Spices today and they have a wall of glass showing the inside of the United Bank Building, which will be where Crop Bistro is relocating later this year. This space is amazing, can't wait to dine inside of it!
February 23, 201114 yr Oh. My. God! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
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