at least Ignatius is not displacing the poor this time. 

I used to wonder if Jesus Christ, a poor foster kid of a skilled tradesman would be able to attend a Jesuit school. 

 

OK rant over

Saint Ignatius is currently raising money for two new construction projects. They plan on putting a performing arts center on the corner of West 30th and Lorain at a cost of roughly 10 million.

 

Is the arts center going to be built on a surface parking lot, or have they managed to find one more historic building to demolish?

^I believe the SI student center expansion has already begun.

 

really? because I haven't noticed any construction going on.

The new St. Ignatius stuff will be in-fill.  The new projects will go on land that was previously used for, well, nothing. It was fenced off.  They had bought a house where an old man lived. Once he died, as the deal was negotiated, Ignatius would get his house. No big loss--it was a nearly 1000 sq ft asphalt shingle shack.

^I believe the SI student center expansion has already begun.

 

really? because I haven't noticed any construction going on.

 

Yep. It has begun.

^Well, I doubt a Jew would send their kid to Catholic school, but that's besides the point.  4 in 10 Ignatius students receive financial aid, which last year totaled $3.1 million.  So, I think if Jesus had wanted to attend and had kept his grades up in junior high, he would've had options!

Saint Ignatius is currently raising money for two new construction projects. They plan on putting a performing arts center on the corner of West 30th and Lorain at a cost of roughly 10 million. Also, the school plans on building a student center on Carroll.

 

How many more gated/guarded parking lot spaces will be needed now?

 

I wouldn't talk, St. Eds boy. The Eagles are going to take down the entire west side of Nicholson.  The city really ought to step in and stop that.

^ They are really behind in the fund raising though

 

As long a St. I's is filling in, not demo-ing and creating decent architecture, I think this is good news... and my son goes to Ed's.

And I've dated a few St. Ig alums (including my S.O). What that has to do with anything, I don't know :-D

Saint Ignatius is currently raising money for two new construction projects. They plan on putting a performing arts center on the corner of West 30th and Lorain at a cost of roughly 10 million. Also, the school plans on building a student center on Carroll.

 

Musky, the fundraising is behind on the performing arts center.  The student center expansion is a go (with big shovels in the ground already).  Its not the most exciting of projects, but it makes a difference. Ignatius' presence really adds to the quaint-ness of that area between Fulton and Lorain.  With the park-like Mall and the beautiful and unique architecture, the neighborhood has a very cosy feel.

And I've dated a few St. Ig alums (including my S.O). What that has to do with anything, I don't know :-D

 

hummm.....maybe I should have gone to Iggy. :wink:

I'm glad Ignatius is there, of course, but it would be nice to see them make better use of the gated parking lots fronting on Lorain.

It was rumored a while back that the city wanted to build a garage on the parking lot, allow Ignatius to use it during the day and allow restaurant-goers to use it at night. I guess nothing ever happened with that.  Ignatius is in no financial shape to build parking garages by themselves. 

It's fantastic that such a good school has stuck around in the neighborhood.  Don't know how many Ignatius families live in the city but it certainly doesn't fuel the push into the outer burbs like the independent schools started doing 80 years ago.

 

In the late 70s, Ignatius had the option to move out to Strongsville. They would have had acres upon acres for sports fields and classroom expansion.  The Jesuits decided against it, even though donors were lined up to pay for the move. They felt that the inner-city was a more appropriate teaching environment given the school's mission.

Speaking of parking garages, You know that parking lot (owned by the city I think) at W.26th and Market Avenue? Has their ever been any talk about putting a parking garage there instead. Not that they really a garage, because parking is pretty ample in the neighborhood, but that would be such a great spot for something like a 515 Euclid building.

 

 

^I'm always dreaming about that one.  I am sure that GLBC loves having such convenient parking. It would be great to have another building there with first-floor retail or restaurants to increase the intimacy of Market Ave. 

^ Yeah, it'd be really nice to build off the vibrancy of Market Avenue with some new space and make it more intimate. It'd also be nice to be able to sit outside on the patio at GLBC and not have the eyesore of those gothic spires in view.

^would you rather have some two-story, non-descript 50s-style yellow brick buildings? :)

 

On an Iggy note, I was pleasantly surprised when they got rid of the chain link on Lorain, but I wish that they would continue the black fencing all the way around the practice field.

whoa, the liquor store is/was also going to be a check cashing location.  Uh, no way to that.

 

Prosecutors want Cleveland grocer put under house arrest in fraud case

Thursday, July 27, 2006

Mike Tobin, Plain Dealer Reporter

 

Local businessman Elie Abboud should be put under house arrest because he is a

threat to flee the country before his sentencing, federal prosecutors said this

week. Abboud has been free on bond for four years, since he and his brother

Michel were indicted and then convicted on more than 70 charges each, including

bank fraud, conspiracy, money laundering and tax violations.

 

more at: http://www.cleveland.com

You know that parking lot (owned by the city I think) at W.26th and Market Avenue?

 

The majority of that lot is owned by the City of Cleveland and about a third of it is owned by Great Lakes.  If we were to develop just the City-owned lots in Ohio City, we'd have a different neighborhood.  We're talking about the West Side Market lots and this little lot on W. 26th in particular.  Add to that all the other publicly-owned lots in the neighborhood (CMHA, Cuyahoga Cty, etc.) and then we'd really be moving!

 

 

BTW, has anyone else heard that GLBC will be taking over the wine bar on Market Ave. when their lease expires?

wow I love that GLBC is doing well, but I like the wine bar (although I admit they seem less enthusiastic lately...so this makes sense) and cafe diversity on market ave. I have a really dumb question (at least for this crowd)  about the parking lot behind the market. It fills up with shoppers on Fridays and Saturdays. these people hang around OC and contribute to the economy. If there is no lot how will they get to the market? Please don't say public transport, the weekend crowd is very suburban and won't bother -in fact even people that regularly utilize public transportation drive to the market as they may purchase a weeks worth of groceries. thoughts?

^ i believe the solution was always some sort of structured parking with mixed uses to take the place of a surface lot.  it doesn't seem to have much momentum though, as the wsm merchants appeared against the various cmha plans to do something along these lines.  in the end, there would still be some "free" parking available to people who drive to the wsm, but the density and number of uses would increase.

on those lines, I always wonder where the money comes from to make a change like that...I think the demand for space will have to be great enough for that to happen, and that may be a little while (but I hope not long!)

There's no doubt that they would have to incorporate structured parking into the mix.  Just as with Stark's Warehouse District plans, we'll end up with more parking in the end, but in decks and with places to live on top and places to shop on the sidewalk!  My take was that the people who opposed this (the WSM merchants were the loudest) because of "density" are really just afraid of poor people.  I would definitely advocate for an affordability component, but I would certainly think that some high-end condos with fantastic views could do very well here.

wow I love that GLBC is doing well, but I like the wine bar (although I admit they seem less enthusiastic lately...so this makes sense) and cafe diversity on market ave. I have a really dumb question (at least for this crowd)  about the parking lot behind the market. It fills up with shoppers on Fridays and Saturdays. these people hang around OC and contribute to the economy. If there is no lot how will they get to the market? Please don't say public transport, the weekend crowd is very suburban and won't bother -in fact even people that regularly utilize public transportation drive to the market as they may purchase a weeks worth of groceries. thoughts?

 

I would agree, most Sat visitors to the market drive ... at least, I think they do.  But a whole lot of people take RTA, esp the Rapid -- a lot take the Lorain & W.25 buses, too.  We travel via the Rapid to the Market from time-to-time during the summer, esp, and there are many, many people coming and going to the Rapid with meats/produce-filled white plastic bags in hand... At least as far as the people I know who go to the Market -- Clevelanders and suburbanites, alike -- they don't do "weeks worth of shopping" but, rather, supplement their regular supermarket buying with the fresh meats and vegetables that only a large farmer's market can offer.  So it's not like they do the trunk-filling shopping that you're talking about which, obviously, would negate their using public trans.

As Peabody certainly can attest, there's a lot of walking to the market done by neighborhood residents as well.  But those parking lots are jam-packed on market days, so there's undoubtedly a large portion of market visitors who drive in.  I wonder what the ratio is...

 

On the topic, why are people so afraid of structured parking?  As long as it's visible and convenient and secure (and free...), why would anyone prefer to have their car sitting out in the sun/snow/rain?

^On TV and in movies bad things always happen in parking garages.  That is my vote. 

wow I love that GLBC is doing well, but I like the wine bar (although I admit they seem less enthusiastic lately...so this makes sense) and cafe diversity on market ave. I have a really dumb question (at least for this crowd)  about the parking lot behind the market. It fills up with shoppers on Fridays and Saturdays. these people hang around OC and contribute to the economy. If there is no lot how will they get to the market? Please don't say public transport, the weekend crowd is very suburban and won't bother -in fact even people that regularly utilize public transportation drive to the market as they may purchase a weeks worth of groceries. thoughts?

 

 

 

I would agree, most Sat visitors to the market drive ... at least, I think they do.  But a whole lot of people take RTA, esp the Rapid -- a lot take the Lorain & W.25 buses, too.  We travel via the Rapid to the Market from time-to-time during the summer, esp, and there are many, many people coming and going to the Rapid with meats/produce-filled white plastic bags in hand... At least as far as the people I know who go to the Market -- Clevelanders and suburbanites, alike -- they don't do "weeks worth of shopping" but, rather, supplement their regular supermarket buying with the fresh meats and vegetables that only a large farmer's market can offer.  So it's not like they do the trunk-filling shopping that you're talking about which, obviously, would negate their using public trans.

 

Actually on many days, when I'm coming from the airport.  I've jumped off at W. 25, carryon bag in tow....grabbed some items at the market and returned to the train to wisk me off to TC for my connection to the Shaker Rapid.  Although I live on the otherside of the city and have a choice of good grocery stores nearby, there is something about the Westside market. 

 

I would never drive to Ohio City or Tremont on a weekend.  Traffic is a mess and there is no parking.  its worse than trying to find parking in midtown manhattan.  the train is just easier.

 

The people on the westside are so lucky to have that WSM.  I hope the city someday rebuilds a new "central market".  it would be perfect around CSU or in ChinaTown

 

I'm with Peabody on this one. WSM needs to maintain its parking or else it will lose a significant portion of its business. However, the land between the market and the flats should be better utilized. I wouldn't want a hulking parking garage to tower over the market, but the land's use has to maximized. TOD seems like a no-brainer. I need to look up and check out who all owns those lots. That is one large neighborhood waiting to happen.

 

So what am I really saying??

I hope that this puts an end to the liquor store on 25th.

 

Businessman Abboud jailed

11:50 a.m.

 

Local businessman Elie Abboud is in jail today after a fed up federal judge revoked his bond.

 

Abboud, 53, and his brother, Michel, owned eight area grocery stores and were convicted of bank fraud in what prosecutors called a check-kiting scheme. They were initially sentenced to eight years in prison.

 

Elie Abboud has been free on bond for four years as the case was appealed, while his 50-year-old brother was imprisoned on unrelated state charges. The appellate court upheld the federal conviction ordered that they be re-sentenced.

 

 

more at: http://www.cleveland.com

^ well less than an hour ago I drove by and they were working away. curious, no?

^ well less than an hour ago I drove by and they were working away. curious, no?

"drove by"....you mean you didnt get out and cash a check?  a WIC Coupon?  possibly a Katrina RedCross debit card??  the shame!

I need to look up and check out who all owns those lots.  That is one large neighborhood waiting to happen.

 

Which lots?  The WSM parking lots?  Those are all owned by the City.  Which is just one more reason why they should be developed!  I'm not talking about building a mess of high rises over there.  I'm talking about some neighborhood buildings that are to scale with the rest of Ohio City.  Basically, 2-6 story buildings.  But having a well-placed tower here or there wouldn't kill the mood either!

^ well less than an hour ago I drove by and they were working away. curious, no?

"drove by"....you mean you didn't get out and cash a check?  a WIC Coupon?  possibly a Katrina RedCross debit card??  the shame!

nor did I get lottery tickets, cigarettes, or Boone's farm. lets hope, hope, hope this thing doesn't go through.  Someone was mad at my criticism of this venture and questioned whether I had an issue with poor people (which is pretty silly, given I work in social services in this community) . I love our socioeconomically diverse hood and the availability of all the service agencies. But do poor people really need one more lottery ticket or cheap bottle of gin??

Well said, peabody! :clap:

 

MyTwoSense - I do believe you have just "done been told" (or pwned as the kids say nowadays).  :lol:

By the way, that big new-ish house on Jay, just west of W. 26th has a "sold" sign on it.  It had been on the market since I moved here a year ago for over $400k!  They also just switched from PURE to Realty One, for what that's worth...

As a man that enjoys scratch off lotto tickets while guzzling gin, YES, one more place. Please? ;)

I'm with Peabody on this one. WSM needs to maintain its parking or else it will lose a significant portion of its business. However, the land between the market and the flats should be better utilized.  I wouldn't want a hulking parking garage to tower over the market, but the land's use has to maximized. TOD seems like a no-brainer.  I need to look up and check out who all owns those lots.  That is one large neighborhood waiting to happen.

 

So what am I really saying??

 

Nobody's saying get rid of parking.  Parking garages, generally, are preferable to surface lots in urban areas, but we need to be careful of what type of structure we build and how, positively or negatively it will affect this unique area.  I don't see why a garage need be built next to Great Lakes.  If it's to support more high-desnity residential living, like Fries & Schule, that's one thing, but if it's just a lot to accomodate more cars, I'm against it.

 

Market Square/GLBC is a popular area, to be sure, but the small surface lot does not face on any street and would have a foreboding affect on the beautiful buildings and vibrant street scene that make up Market Ave.  As surface lots go, it's one of the better ones as it's mainly hemmed in behind the building lines of W. 25 and Lorain.  Also, there's tons of surface parking behind WSM.  And if folks are that hard up for parking, sneak over to Dave's, which often isn't full, or park on one of the side streets around Bridge, W. 28th or Jay, and enjoy the beautiful stroll amongst the old Victorinans... Keep what parking we have, but I see no need to expand it any.   Ohio City, esp the Market Sq area is a pedestrian paradise that need not -- as do so many other areas in Cleveland -- bow down to the almighty automobile.   

 

Heck, part of the synergy and excitement of an area is the lack of parking -- scarcity = trendy.  Isn't that part of the reason's why D.C.'s Georgetown is so damn trendy?  The suburbanites who claim they won't come into nice city areas like Warehouse or Ohio City because of parking are self fullfilling their own prophecies.  They really don't like the cities -- and all the diversity and excitement they bring, and would rather stay put in their look-alike, homogeneous suburbs. My attitude is: fine, the hell with you -- we don't want you here anyway.

I want to see development spread to more places than just along W. 25th. I'd love to see development and growth along W. 26th, W. 28th, Carroll, and some of the streets south of Lorain. I love Ohio City and W. 25th's CBD, but it seems so small when compared to the likes of the WHD or a trendy neighborhood in other big cities. I can see this neighborhood becoming a mecca one day, but until it expands in other directions, it's no more than another long strip of bars to me. Ohio City's "downtown area" has the power to become much more, unlike nearby Tremont which never had a "downtown" area full of dense structures. No doubt, Tremont will gentrify and new houses will be built, but it's Ohio City where all the larger scaled projects *SHOULD* take place.

MGD, the big house on W. 26th and Jay that is now for sale was a re-hab that has an elevator inside of the home. It was done by an Ohio City resident who has already done several re-habs nearby. I believe Wimwar can tell you more on this awesome home.

^hmmm....the auditor's site lists it as built in 1998.  Are you sure you aren't confusing it with the beautiful home on Franklin, just west of Franklin Circle?

 

I want to see development spread to more places than just along W. 25th.

 

As many of the posts throughout this thread indicate, there's lots of activity throughout the Ohio City community...not just along W. 25th.  W. 28th to W. 32nd between Franklin and Clinton is actually one of the hottest spots around right now!

It will be very interesting to see what lower Clinton looks like in 12 months.  There are 5 different townhome projects, two major rehabs, one infill house, and the CMHA project.

 

Here is a rundown of the projects:

 

-Infill home at Clinton and 32nd

-Rehab near Clinton and 38th

-grand rehab on Franklin just east of 28th

-5 Rysar townhomes near Clinton and 38th (across the street from my house)

-7 more Ohio City townhomes (will this happen?)

-22 CoRal townhomes on Clinton next to the OC townhomes

-4 Vine Court townhomes

-18? condos at the old YMCA and 5 townhomes on its parking lot

and the ol meat warehouse on Vine Court is about to be sold--more condos to come??

 

 

^ well less than an hour ago I drove by and they were working away. curious, no?

"drove by"....you mean you didn't get out and cash a check?  a WIC Coupon?  possibly a Katrina RedCross debit card??  the shame!

nor did I get lottery tickets, cigarettes, or Boone's farm. lets hope, hope, hope this thing doesn't go through.  Someone was mad at my criticism of this venture and questioned whether I had an issue with poor people (which is pretty silly, given I work in social services in this community) . I love our socioeconomically diverse hood and the availability of all the service agencies. But do poor people really need one more lottery ticket or cheap bottle of gin??

 

It was sarcasm....I'm glad a store like this is gone.  What is boone's farm?  and No poor people really don't.

Well said, peabody! :clap:

 

MyTwoSense - I do believe you have just "done been told" (or pwned as the kids say nowadays).  :lol:

 

I think my joke was taken out of context.  It was more of ... "yeah..the store is gone" hence asking peabody why she didnt run in and use a WIC card, etc....  since these people were probably collecting illegal funds or taking advantage of those in real need who use the above as forms of payment. 

 

Trust me those store do nothing but hurt a neighborhood, since most of the owner don't live in the area or care about the neighborhood their business is located in. 

 

now run tell dat!

 

To quote from 'Airplane' - my momma didn't raise no dummies - I dug yo rap! It's just a collective chops-busting today! :-D

 

"What is boone's farm?"

 

Imagine taking either Thunderbird or MD20/20 and mixing it with a wine cooler, minus the effervescence (aka cheap booze for college kids). And please people - do NOT try to tell me "the Boones sangria tastes good!" Blech!!!

Boone's farm actually was probably more commonally known to coming of age 80's teenagers looking for a cheap wine high. But is is always in the scuzzy markets too.

To quote from 'Airplane' - my momma didn't raise no dummies - I dug yo rap! It's just a collective chops-busting today! :-D

 

"What is boone's farm?"

 

Imagine taking either Thunderbird or MD20/20 and mixing it with a wine cooler, minus the effervescence (aka cheap booze for college kids). And please people - do NOT try to tell me "the Boones sangria tastes good!" Blech!!!

 

Sweetie....I honestly have no idea what thunderbird or MD 20/20 is...I would assume those are along the lines of cisco...

ok, what is cisco?

ok, what is cisco?

i call it "liquid crack".  its some strong ass drink that people (primarily in the south) drink.  I think its moonshine.