That church is completely unfamiliar to me.  What a loss!

That church is completely unfamiliar to me.  What a loss!

 

Hmm, I took a look at the petition and it appears to be is misleading. Ignatius requested permission last month to demolish 2 homes, but didn't request to demolish the church nor request to demolish the house that is prominently pictured in the petition. The pretty house with the turret is not part of the demolition request. The smaller white house next to the church is one that they want to demo. I believe that they did request to demo the church a few years ago and were denied, so they decided to mothball it. They then went ahead and renovated an old home and a separate stone building (not pictured) next to the church. The 2nd house that they want to demo (see #04 below) is adjacent to their practice field.  Here's the Landmarks's agenda: 

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2015/01222015/index.php

 

 

^ Yeah I noticed that too.  I wanted badly to sign the petition because I was attracted to the general thesis but found the information presented to be less than forthright.  Particularly that they used the stately Victorian home in a prominent photo - yet that house isn't at risk here.  The 2 houses to be torn down are really rough, small, abandoned homes.  I support the idea but was sketched out by the execution.

I also thought the petition was misleading since it included the church. I asked the person involved with the petition and he felt it was demolition through neglect since the school has allowed water damage to continue to the church. Nevertheless, I still support the petition since the two houses should not be demolished...certainly not for surface parking. The house adjacent to the Jesuit Residence has been owned and maintained by the school for years and is in good condition. The house behind the church likely dates back to the civil war era, as does the church, and should be saved.

 

 

^ Yeah I noticed that too.  I wanted badly to sign the petition because I was attracted to the general thesis but found the information presented to be less than forthright.  Particularly that they used the stately Victorian home in a prominent photo - yet that house isn't at risk here.  The 2 houses to be torn down are really rough, small, abandoned homes.  I support the idea but was sketched out by the execution.

We got another project! This is just south of Massimo De Milano and just north of Church Street. There is also a new house coming to West 38th, new windows/awnings at Old Angle Tavern on West 25th and new windows at the Van Roy Building, 2900 Detroit...

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2015/02262015/index.php

 

Cleveland Landmarks Commission

AGENDA - February 26, 2015

 

CONCEPT PLAN

1. Ohio City Historic District: Case 15-017

1468 West 25th Street

Renovation, new construction, demolition

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That is several kinds of awesome all at once.

I've met Mr. Meeker before and he's a really nice guy. He said he's interested in attracting older, retired couples who would like to live downtown.

Looking good! Northern Ohio City is quickly becoming one of my favorite locations in the city.

I've met Mr. Meeker before and he's a really nice guy. He said he's interested in attracting older, retired couples who would like to live downtown.

 

Welcome, donking. Now go get a haircut!

Totally awesome.  Hopefully we can turn that stretch of roadway into something more than a traffic sewer.

Looking good! Northern Ohio City is quickly becoming one of my favorite locations in the city.

 

Out of curiosity, is there a hesitation to call it "Hingetown"?

 

Out of curiosity, is there a hesitation to call it "Hingetown"?

 

I call it Hingetown -- except here on UrbanOhio where we don't have a thread by that name. The reason why is because it would take a lot of time to pull out from this 112-page thread all of the posts/projects within the Hingetown area (whatever its boundaries are).

Looking good! Northern Ohio City is quickly becoming one of my favorite locations in the city.

 

Out of curiosity, is there a hesitation to call it "Hingetown"?

 

I actually don't mind the label Hingetown. For some reason, some people really hate it, but I think it's fine. That area definitely has a different vibe from the rest of Ohio City so it deserves a label. I'm just not sure where it begins and ends. To me, Hingetown is roughly between W. 38th, W. 28th, Franklin, and Detroit, with the Striebinger Block building being "Hingetown Center". However, I guess it makes more sense to extend that over to W. 25th.

So are they not developing the project up to the corner at West 25th and Church? If not, that would be my only minor complaint about the project.

Totally awesome.  Hopefully we can turn that stretch of roadway into something more than a traffic sewer.

 

Agree. The last streetscape proposal appears to make this stretch into something of a boulevard. It didn't seem to be very pedestrian oriented.

I recall there being plans to tear down all the buildings on the east side of W. 25th, and turning that land into a park. If that happens, that will increase the value of all the property west of W. 25th immensely - not only because of the park but because of the incredible views of the city. People will be clamoring to build residential low-mid rises on the few lots that will be left. So, I'm not too concerned about leaving that corner (W.25 & Church ) empty.

^would that include the CMHA apartments?

What would be needed for this to happen?  I assume the city would need to purchase all of the buildings?  Are they for sale?  Would the CMHA buildings be involved in this?

So are they not developing the project up to the corner at West 25th and Church? If not, that would be my only minor complaint about the project.

 

Looks like that corner lot is owned by the developers converting the buildings south of Church.

^would that include the CMHA apartments?

 

I've always felt they could potentially build one of the best urban neighborhoods in America where Lakeview Terrace currently is, simultaneously removing a millstone around the Market District's neck.  But I'm told that there's some smell-related challenges that would have to be overcome.

I recall there being plans to tear down all the buildings on the east side of W. 25th, and turning that land into a park. If that happens, that will increase the value of all the property west of W. 25th immensely - not only because of the park but because of the incredible views of the city. People will be clamoring to build residential low-mid rises on the few lots that will be left. So, I'm not too concerned about leaving that corner (W.25 & Church ) empty.

 

Agree. Yet I don't recall seeing many crosswalks. I could be wrong, but it looked like east-west connectivity to that parkland didn't seem like much of a consideration.

^would that include the CMHA apartments?

 

No, I don't think it included the CMHA apartments. I do wish they would tear that down and build a nice mixed-use development there, and on the farm land. It's some of the best real estate in Cleveland, and it's currently going to waste. There are plenty of empty lots for the farm to move to.

 

I only wish I could find those plans for the park. I don't remember how recent they are.

 

Out of curiosity, is there a hesitation to call it "Hingetown"?

 

I call it Hingetown -- except here on UrbanOhio where we don't have a thread by that name. The reason why is because it would take a lot of time to pull out from this 112-page thread all of the posts/projects within the Hingetown area (whatever its boundaries are).

 

 

Ahem....

and here we are :D

I can't seem to post external links, but there is a document from May 2014 (CSU, Trust for Public Land) that shows those buildings removed.  Search for:

IRISHTOWN GREENWAY A Strategic Plan For The Flats West Bank

 

It's the one on CSU's website.  Probably already posted here somewhere, but pretty comprehensive.

I do wish they would tear that down and build a nice mixed-use development there, and on the farm land. It's some of the best real estate in Cleveland, and it's currently going to waste. There are plenty of empty lots for the farm to move to.

 

That land has been considered unbuildable for several years now, due to slope instability. It even scuttled what would have been a massive and awesome mixed income development that seemed well on its way to breaking ground about 10 years go. The master plan, by Goody Clancy won some awards, so I'm surprised I can't find more images on line at this point.  You can see some discussion of the project on the very first page of this thread, and you can see the footprint of the plan in this old document (the purple east of 25th Street): http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/cwp/other/Detroit_Ave_East.pdf

 

Also some images of the plan were posted by an UO Alum many years ago: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,2492.70.html

 

Fortunately, it looks like the slope instability may be confined to the northern most end of the area, just south of the D-S bridge, so that's where a park most makes sense in the long term. You can read about the slope instability here:

http://www.cleveland.com/architecture/index.ssf/2015/02/port_study_outlines_49m_fix_fo.html

I swear I saw a somewhat recent rendering of a planned park for that northern end, but maybe I'm just losing my mind...

I do wish they would tear that down and build a nice mixed-use development there, and on the farm land. It's some of the best real estate in Cleveland, and it's currently going to waste. There are plenty of empty lots for the farm to move to.

 

That land has been considered unbuildable for several years now, due to slope instability. It even scuttled what would have been a massive and awesome mixed income development that seemed well on its way to breaking ground about 10 years go. The master plan, by Goody Clancy won some awards, so I'm surprised I can't find more images on line a this point.  You can see some discussion of the project on the very first page of this thread, and you can see the footprint of the plan in this old document (the purple east of 25th Street): http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/cwp/other/Detroit_Ave_East.pdf

 

Also some images of the plan here posted by an UO Alum: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,2492.70.html

 

Fortunately, it looks like the slope instability may be confined to the northern most end of the area, just south of the D-S bridge, so that's where a park most makes sense in the long term. You can read about the slope instability here:

http://www.cleveland.com/architecture/index.ssf/2015/02/port_study_outlines_49m_fix_fo.html

 

Wow, that page is like a time machine.  To the days when "colorful metaphors" were okay around here.  :evil:

Hmm, I took a look at the petition and it appears to be is misleading.

 

As I read the petition, all it asks is that the Landmarks Commission and the government officials not be overzealous in approving demolition requests and that they engage the corporate and institutional neighbors in a process that protects and enhances historical districts.  The actual wording of the petition doesn't even mention St. Ignatius, the houses or the church.  In fact the explanation of the petition states that it is a general petition, not necessarily specific to any particular project, just that it is in response to St. Ignatius' recent proposals...  I think people need to work on their reading comprehension levels.

 

St. Ignatius definitely proposed to tear down the church in 2012, and the two houses this past month.  The turreted Victorian house would most definitely be effected by the addition of a 26 car parking lot immediately next to it, and/or the loss of the church at the corner.

 

Attached is a picture of the parking lot that already exists across the street from the picture shown with the petition.  St. Ignatius' proposal is for one twice as big (26 cars) next to the turreted house, and then another one twice as big as that (52 cars) at the other end of Carroll Avenue.  The fact that they have been denied permission to tear down the church doesn't mean they aren't hoping it will fall down on its own, or become so dilapidated that it will have to be torn down.

Hmm, I took a look at the petition and it appears to be is misleading.

...  I think people need to work on their reading comprehension levels.

 

Comin' out swinging with the first post!

Not surprising.

...  I think people need to work on their reading comprehension levels.

 

Welcome to the forum, I think you need to know the snarky comment isn't necessary.

...  I think people need to work on their reading comprehension levels.

 

Welcome to the forum, I think you need to know the snarky comment isn't necessary.

 

Please forgive me.  This crap is happening right across the street from my home.

Understood, but let's keep the discourse civil - you might find quite a few forumers in agreement with you.

The First Reformed Church (German) c. 1863, AKA Hungarian Lutheran, San Juan Bautista, International Four Square, now belonging to St. Ignatius High School and vacant.  Located at the corner of W 32nd St. and Carroll Avenue.

 

I apologize for the duplicate posts, I'm still trying to get the image posting system down.  Can the duplicates be removed?

Is the City citing them for the blatant code violations?

Moved the discussion of the Old Angle/Lakeview Terrace redevelopment to the Vintage Cleveland Photothread:

 

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,766.msg746069/topicseen.html#new

Going to Landmark's commission

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2015/02122015/index.php

 

It looks like some square footage was taken from the external walls of the building and added to the courtyard.  I'm sure this was the response to the disgruntled neighbor.

 

Most interesting - look at the two strips of "future town homes"

 

Even more "future town homes" on the surface lot of 32nd and Franklin.

 

Now going to BZA......

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/agenda/2015/crr03-16-2015.pdf

 

Board of Zoning Appeals

MARCH 16, 2015

 

9:30

Calendar No. 15-027: 3007 Clinton Ave. Ward 3

Joe Cimperman

21 Notices

Storer Meat Co., owner, proposes to erect a 67 unit apartment building with underground parking in

a D2 Residence-Industry District. The owner appeals for relief from the following sections of the

Cleveland Codified Ordinances:

1. Section 355.04 which states that the maximum permitted building area is equal to the lot area

or in this case 41,612 square feet and 72,660 square feet are proposed.

2. Section 357.08 which state that the required rear yard setback is 29.166 feet and 23.166 is

proposed. (Filed February 10, 2015)

 

 

^Looks good... really love the Victorian next door.  So many of them in this great neighborhood.

^Looks good... really love the Victorian next door.  So many of them in this great neighborhood.

 

Well, you are in luck! It is for sale. http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/3101-Clinton-Ave_Cleveland_OH_44113_M45010-00450

 

Buy it and hold fancy UrbanOhio dinner parties there! ;)

Moved discussion of Forest City Brewery's building to the Duck Island Development thread.

Alright, so check this out....

 

On Feb, 6th 2015, PPN: 007-18-002 transferred from JC LAND HOLDINGS, LLC to OHIO CITY BREW FARM LLC.

 

You're probably wondering what property this is...if you've ever driven on I-90 W, you've probably noticed it as the hulking vacant structure to the north.

 

The incorporation documents for OHIO CITY BREW FARM, LLC were filed on 03/10/2014.

 

O yeah, this is kind of a weird area but I choose Ohio City because it's north of I-90.

 

Also, it looks like the last arms length sale was August 20, 2014 from 3506 VEGA AVENUE, LLC to JC LAND HOLDINGS, LLC for $125,000.  JC Holdings transferred via a quitclaim deed for $0 to Ohio City Brew Farm, LLC, making me think both LLCs are held by the same people.  Both are incorporated with the same attorney too.

 

 

JC Land Holdings is owned by the same guy who owns Platform Beer.

So a giant warehouse growing hops n' stuff?

^ That would be my guess.

 

For someone who started in beer brewing, he's really starting to become quite the developer. He bought up a few buildings along Lorain Ave and has been working to develop them.

If I'm not mistaken that structure is the old Leisy Brewery.

Yup - That's the place

My understanding is he wants to expand his brewing facilities.

#thecircleofbeer

First of all, Welcome David.  A few thoughts to share:

 

a) The idea of having the whole, Lakeview complex is, I believe, going way too far in promoting the concept that every great setting should be occupied by the wealthy.  Lakeview is nationally historic.  It is not a slum which is nothing but a blot on everything around it, but a well conceived, well constructed, brick public housing estate that has been renovated and restored over time and includes important public art.  We have many locales, now, that take advantage of marvelous views of downtown Cleveland - many in Tremont alone, and going all the way to Chestnut Hills Drive bordering Cleveland Heights and the Gold Coast in Lakewood.  About 80 years ago this project was conceived to replace a decrepit shantytown, and that was enough of a major rehaul, as far as I'm concerned.  In fact, those low-rise public housing buildings along Franklin Boulevard, east of West 25th, were already demolished over ten years ago - that in itself created a lot of well-located land to redevelop.  I don't care for the enormous subsidized highrise on West 25th, but I certainly

wouldn't advocate, either, its demolition, with all the needy people that would affect.

b) Just my l'l opinion, of course, but I don't particularly care for the "Hingetown" moniker.  It is all part of Ohio City - historically (all the way back to the early 19th century), and today as far as the Cleveland Planning Department is concerned. I'd like everyone to associate that vicinity with the entire remainder of Ohio City - the Market District, St. Ignatius, and all the rest.  I'd like people to think of Ohio City as going all all the way to Lake Erie. I'd like people to link the Victorians in so-called Hingetown with the Victorians along Bridge Avenue or even south of Lorain Avenue, or the shops in so-called Hingetown with the shops on Lorain Avenue.  As the name "Hingetown" is not historic there's no cause d'etre there.  If the concept of the name is the area serves as a "hinge" between Ohio City and Gordon Square or Detroit-Shoreway, it is not really that geographically.  That might be somewhere around West 48th into the West 50s.

 

Just the trite "my two cents"....

From my understanding, the "Hinge" is also inclusive of the Warehouse District. Of course, it's certainly a part of the Ohio City neighborhood (there's Ohio City signage on W. 29th & Church intersection) -- but it seems valid to name it, due to recent development.