June 23, 20159 yr Looks like they made a few tweaks since it went to Landmarks the first time in May. The biggest difference is the cornice is gone. And the canopy over the door is simplified. I don't like it without the cornice. An older looking building like this needs a hat. http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,2492.msg756438.html#msg756438 New condo building infill CONCEPT PLAN 1. Ohio City Historic District: Case 15-038 3707 Clinton Avenue New construction of condominiums http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2015/05152015/index.php
June 24, 20159 yr A park on the SE corner of 25th and Detroit? That is really cool but I never expected those parcels to go that way. I've been waiting for that to be redeveloped for years.
June 24, 20159 yr ^ The instability of the land pretty much makes any other kind of development impossible there. Regardless, it's a great place for a park. It'll open up some really good views for the buildings on the west side of W. 25. Honestly, if I were Snavely, I'd plan a phase 2 with a high-rise on that small parking lot just south of Massimo Da Milano.
June 24, 20159 yr A couple of tweets I just saw... @SOLODistrictOC Another business moving into @SOLODistrictOC! @_Payscape moving office employees in Today!@CLE_EconDev @joecimperman Who is Payscape? @_Payscape We provide financial technologies that allow small business owners to accept payments, sell online, and increase their cash flow. #fintech "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 24, 20159 yr ^ Interesting. Looks like Payscape is based in Atlanta, GA and has offices all across the country. Also, according to Google, there is a branch in Wickliffe. So, I'm assuming that they're moving their Wickliffe branch to this location? If so, yay for another company moving from the suburbs to the city! Where exactly is the new office?
June 24, 20159 yr Also, Payscape's new CTO is based here, Douglas Hardman, previously founder/CEO of SparkBase. Maybe they will be expanding their development staff here in Cleveland!
June 24, 20159 yr Where exactly is the new office? Don't know. I would think the United Bank building at W25 and Lorain. But the tweet came from @SOLODistrictOC so it could be anywhere along and south of Lorain. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 24, 20159 yr Where exactly is the new office? Don't know. I would think the United Bank building at W25 and Lorain. But the tweet came from @SOLODistrictOC so it could be anywhere along and south of Lorain. It looks like they are either sharing or taking over the JC Beertech spot. Related to the Hingetown moniker discussion, Platform/Beertech/Brew Shop are the only people who call it the SOLO District. They should stop trying to make SOLO District happen.
June 25, 20159 yr Where exactly is the new office? Don't know. I would think the United Bank building at W25 and Lorain. But the tweet came from @SOLODistrictOC so it could be anywhere along and south of Lorain. It looks like they are either sharing or taking over the JC Beertech spot. Related to the Hingetown moniker discussion, Platform/Beertech/Brew Shop are the only people who call it the SOLO District. They should stop trying to make SOLO District happen. There's nothing preachier than someone trying to make a new neighborhood or region nickname stick. Especially when one already exists.
June 25, 20159 yr Where exactly is the new office? Don't know. I would think the United Bank building at W25 and Lorain. But the tweet came from @SOLODistrictOC so it could be anywhere along and south of Lorain. It looks like they are either sharing or taking over the JC Beertech spot. Related to the Hingetown moniker discussion, Platform/Beertech/Brew Shop are the only people who call it the SOLO District. They should stop trying to make SOLO District happen. There's nothing preachier than someone trying to make a new neighborhood or region nickname stick. Especially when one already exists. Who's preaching now? I happen to like the SOLO District.
June 25, 20159 yr Where exactly is the new office? Don't know. I would think the United Bank building at W25 and Lorain. But the tweet came from @SOLODistrictOC so it could be anywhere along and south of Lorain. It looks like they are either sharing or taking over the JC Beertech spot. Related to the Hingetown moniker discussion, Platform/Beertech/Brew Shop are the only people who call it the SOLO District. They should stop trying to make SOLO District happen. There's nothing preachier than someone trying to make a new neighborhood or region nickname stick. Especially when one already exists. Who's preaching now? I happen to like the SOLO District. I do too. Is there a pre-existing name that's a better description? Steves Lunch Heights? Now "Eco Village" on the other hand....
June 25, 20159 yr I also like SoLo (even though it's unimaginative and overused throughout cities). I think the only thing with all of this additional branding is, there isn't going to be an Ohio City soon.
June 25, 20159 yr Maybe they should try to brand themselves in the "wOH" district (west Ohio City). I agree that people need to quit making up district names purely for marketing purposes.
June 25, 20159 yr I'm not in love with SoLo, but at least there's an intuitive basis for it, unlike the entirely contrived "Hingetown"
June 25, 20159 yr Where exactly is the new office? Don't know. I would think the United Bank building at W25 and Lorain. But the tweet came from @SOLODistrictOC so it could be anywhere along and south of Lorain. It looks like they are either sharing or taking over the JC Beertech spot. Related to the Hingetown moniker discussion, Platform/Beertech/Brew Shop are the only people who call it the SOLO District. They should stop trying to make SOLO District happen. There's nothing preachier than someone trying to make a new neighborhood or region nickname stick. Especially when one already exists. Who's preaching now? I happen to like the SOLO District. I do too. Is there a pre-existing name that's a better description? Steves Lunch Heights? Now "Eco Village" on the other hand.... There is this...
June 26, 20159 yr Where exactly is the new office? Don't know. I would think the United Bank building at W25 and Lorain. But the tweet came from @SOLODistrictOC so it could be anywhere along and south of Lorain. It looks like they are either sharing or taking over the JC Beertech spot. Related to the Hingetown moniker discussion, Platform/Beertech/Brew Shop are the only people who call it the SOLO District. They should stop trying to make SOLO District happen. Sorry had to. :p Anyway I'm ok with branding as long as it gives a sense of place ("Uptown") but I feel like the organic push isn't there for for "SOLO" but idk that might just be me. I'll go back to lurking now.
June 26, 20159 yr Except Uptown is an older name. I've seen references to it in photos and articles going back 100 years. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 27, 20159 yr Except Uptown is an older name. I've seen references to it in photos and articles going back 100 years. I learned a thing today.
June 27, 20159 yr Wasn't the current Uptown area once referred to as Doan's Corners? Or am I just making that up? I can't remember where I heard that, but it sounds right.
June 27, 20159 yr Obviously West 25th Lofts is not a new project, but the only the time first rendering was posted here was as a link to a photo taken by mjarboe[/member] at a CPC meeting last January. The other images have never been posted here.... Sectional view of apartments... Floorplan... Highlights Prime Commercial Space in New Historic Renovation Project 9,115 SF of storefront under 61 new loft apartment units Divisible from 9115 S.F. to 1,460 SF Storefront Retail $13.00/SF Triple Net Construction Commences April 2015 Excellent visibility at corner of W25th Street and Church Ave. Description Subject space is part of planned West 25th Street Lofts Bldg at 1526 West 25th Street. Historic renovation of former brewery and industrial bldg into 83 unit loft apartment complex plus 9,115 SF of storefront retail/office/commercial space. Retail/Commercial space can be sub-divided into units ranging from 1,460 SF to 9,115 SF. Excellent frontage and access. Available April 2016. Located at 2711 Church Ave and 1526 West 25th St in downtown Cleveland , Ohio. It is adjacent Cleveland Clinic' s Lutheran Hospital and anchors the northern end of the West 25th street redevelopment area. Just east of Cleveland Museum of Art''s new Transformer Station and the Hingetown District. The site benefits from excellent access to downtown with unparalleled views of the city skyline. Freeway access is very good with I-90, The Shoreway, I-77 and I-71 all approximately with in ½ mile s of the property. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 27, 20159 yr I am so excited for this project! That building is such an eyesore right now, and redevelopment will go a huge way to connecting the "core" of Ohio City to the Flats, Hingetown, and Downtown. The only thing I don't like is how they're going to be demolishing a stretch of facade on W25th between the two buildings shown in the first pic.
June 27, 20159 yr Wasn't the current Uptown area once referred to as Doan's Corners? Or am I just making that up? I can't remember where I heard that, but it sounds right. Doan's Corners was Euclid Ave. between E. 105th and 107th
June 27, 20159 yr Downtown is a neighborhood composed of multiple districts including the Gateway District, Theater District, and Warehouse District. The Ohio City neighborhood is around 130 (pure guesstimation) blocks--which can easily be broken into more specific districts, such as the Market District, SoLo, and Hingetown. The popularization and marketing of these smaller districts doesn't annihilate the Ohio City Neighborhood, nor do they compete with one another, it simply provides even more ability for folks to interact and identify with their neighbors. IMHO :angel:
June 27, 20159 yr ^i agree. Time to move on from ppl hating on hinge town and solo. Ppl had ideas and are trying to do something. Why are we criticizing them? If you want to name something, go start doing something to earn that right. 20 years from nobody will care about the sub section names and it will probably be just a natural reference point. It's like a year later (or two) if ur still complaining about the names your worried about the wrong things.
June 27, 20159 yr Obviously West 25th Lofts is not a new project, but the only the time first rendering was posted here was as a link to a photo taken by mjarboe[/member] at a CPC meeting last January. The other images have never been posted here.... Sectional view of apartments... Floorplan... Highlights Prime Commercial Space in New Historic Renovation Project 9,115 SF of storefront under 61 new loft apartment units Divisible from 9115 S.F. to 1,460 SF Storefront Retail $13.00/SF Triple Net Construction Commences April 2015 Excellent visibility at corner of W25th Street and Church Ave. Description Subject space is part of planned West 25th Street Lofts Bldg at 1526 West 25th Street. Historic renovation of former brewery and industrial bldg into 83 unit loft apartment complex plus 9,115 SF of storefront retail/office/commercial space. Retail/Commercial space can be sub-divided into units ranging from 1,460 SF to 9,115 SF. Excellent frontage and access. Available April 2016. Located at 2711 Church Ave and 1526 West 25th St in downtown Cleveland , Ohio. It is adjacent Cleveland Clinic' s Lutheran Hospital and anchors the northern end of the West 25th street redevelopment area. Just east of Cleveland Museum of Art''s new Transformer Station and the Hingetown District. The site benefits from excellent access to downtown with unparalleled views of the city skyline. Freeway access is very good with I-90, The Shoreway, I-77 and I-71 all approximately with in ½ mile s of the property. They just put their final financing piece in place. They should be starting the project this summer
June 27, 20159 yr http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,17587.0.html Ohio City refers to a large and diverse area, easily big enough for sub-neighborhoods with Market Square serving as the overall core. Commercial areas work better as centers than dividers... otherwise your neighborhoods have indistinct and/or overlapping foci. So for me, Hingetown passes muster while SOLO doesn't. It's not like anything along Lorain Ave only serves areas to the south.
June 30, 20159 yr The Gund Brewing/Scott Drug building: This small Ohio City building is tucked next to the renovated United Bank Building, just south of the West Side Market. Real estate investor Tom Gillespie plans to convert the three-story, 1860s-vintage property into five upper-level apartments and a roof deck above retail. The building was constructed for the Gund Brewing Co. family and was later home to a pharmacy. Gillespie won nearly $250,000 in credits. The local losers include the Forest City Bank Building and the adjacent Seymour Block, which also recently missed out on federal low-income housing tax credits awarded by the state. The buildings, at West 25th Street and Detroit Avenue in Ohio City, are set to become affordable apartments as part of a larger project being planned by the Snavely Group. http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2015/06/clevelands_leader_building_akr.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 2, 20159 yr Names only stick if they properly convey the area you're referring to and if enough people use them. So the fact that we're discussing Hingetown and SOLO is proof that those names are valid and serve their purpose. If a name really shouldn't be used, it will happen naturally: people won't know what you're talking about and so others will stop using it.
July 4, 20159 yr Awesome news from the same developers of Transformer Station. I was just walking by this building the other week and thinking how nice it would be redeveloped. Also great that people with this kind of status and money are now seeing the city as a great place to live instead of sticking to the suburbs. Art collectors Fred and Laura Bidwell buy Van Roy Building to plant their flag in Cleveland By Steven Litt, The Plain Dealer on July 04, 2015 at 8:05 AM, updated July 04, 2015 at 8:30 AM CLEVELAND, Ohio – In a deal with big implications for the city's cultural scene, art collectors and philanthropists Fred and Laura Bidwell of Peninsula have purchased the historic Van Roy Building at 2900 Detroit Ave. in Ohio City from developer Michael Chesler. During a visit to the property on Friday, the Bidwells said that they plan to renovate the top floor of the three-story, 30,000-square-foot, Romanesque Revival building as their new home, making Cleveland their base after having focused much of their energies in the Akron area over the past two decades. The Bidwells' decision stands out in Cleveland, because many wealthy arts patrons live in the city's well-to-do eastern suburbs, not the city itself. The Bidwells said they'll rent the lower two floors of the building, possibly with retail tenants on the ground floor and professional offices or a cultural organization on the second floor.
July 4, 20159 yr That's great news! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 4, 20159 yr ^^Link for the story above: http://www.cleveland.com/arts/index.ssf/2015/07/art_collectors_fred_and_laura.html#incart_river Also: W. 25th Gets a Huge Internet Upgrade http://coolcleveland.com/blog/2015/06/w-25th-gets-a-huge-internet-upgrade-thanks-to-onecommunity/
July 16, 20159 yr Ohio City Historic District: Case 15-025 3122 Franklin Boulevard New construction of townhouses http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2015/04092015/index.php Followup on the 15 townhouses proposed at Franklin and West 32nd. All 15 were submitted individually for approval by BZA.... http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/agenda/2015/crr06-01-2015.pdf Board of Zoning Appeals MONDAY, JUNE 1, 2015 Calendar No. 15-81: 3118 Franklin Blvd., A Calendar No. 15-82: 3116 Franklin Blvd., B Calendar No. 15-83: 3114 Franklin Blvd., C Calendar No. 15-84: 3112 Franklin Blvd., D Calendar No. 15-85: 3110 Franklin Blvd., E Calendar No. 15-86: 3108 Franklin Blvd., F Calendar No. 15-87: 3106 Franklin Blvd., G Calendar No. 15-88: 3104 Franklin Blvd., H Calendar No. 15-89: 1551 West 32 St., I Calendar No. 15-90: 1549 West 32 St., J Calendar No. 15-91: 1547 West 32 St., K Calendar No. 15-92: 1545 West 32 St., L Calendar No. 15-93: 1543 West 32 St., M Calendar No. 15-94: 1541 West 32 St., N Calendar No. 15-95: 1539 West 32 St., O Franklin Ct. Townhomes L.P. proposes to construct a fee simple townhouse known as townhouse “O” in a B1 Two-Family Residential District. The owner appeals for relief from the strict application of the following sections of the Cleveland Codified Ordinances: More at the link above. The units range in size from 737 square feet to 1903 square feet. Calendar No. 15-96: 1553 W. 32 St. , P Ward 3 (access driveway) Joe Cimperman 16 Notices Franklin Ct. Townhomes L.P. proposes to construct a common drive/access driveway for a 15 unit townhouse development on Franklin Boulevard and W. 32 St. numbered “A” through “O” in a B1 Two 10 | P a g e Family Residential District. The owner appeals for relief from the strict application of the following sections of the Cleveland Codified Ordinances: 1. Section 349.07(a) which states that accessory off-street driveways and maneuvering areas shall be properly graded for drainage so that all water is drained within the lot providing such area surfaced with concrete, asphaltic concrete, asphalt or other similar surfacing materials approved by the Director of Building and Housing, maintained in good condition and free of debris and trash. 2. Section 337.03 which states that the sole use of property located in a Two Family Residential District as and access driveway is not permitted. (Filed April 23, 2015) Postponed at BZA to Aug. 3 so the councilman could hold a neighborhood meeting on the plan: http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/agenda/2015/crr08-03-2015.pdf "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 21, 20159 yr Looks like the new plan for the parking and landscaping behind the West Side Market.
July 21, 20159 yr ^Better than what we have now, but I wish a parking garage (with a ground floor use) could be built to free up some of that land for development.
July 21, 20159 yr ^^Absolute crap. W. 24 St should be open as a street. The current market parking lot should be replaced with a structure, 2-below grade plus 10 or so above grade. Parking should be the 2-below grades and then 1 or 2 above grade. Street level and fronting retail along Lorain and 24th. And apartments/condos on the upper floors. What they have designed is a parking lot. We already have a giant parking lot! They just added 20% more spots.
July 21, 20159 yr ^ yeah ideally the sw corner should be a giant parking garage with added market stalls around the ground level and then waaaa laaaa will ya look at all that land ripe for redevelopment!
July 22, 20159 yr ^^Absolute crap. W. 24 St should be open as a street. The current market parking lot should be replaced with a structure, 2-below grade plus 10 or so above grade. Parking should be the 2-below grades and then 1 or 2 above grade. Street level and fronting retail along Lorain and 24th. And apartments/condos on the upper floors. What they have designed is a parking lot. We already have a giant parking lot! They just added 20% more spots. Ok. Go find the developer who is willing to spend the money for that. Parking garages are ridiculously expensive. A mixed use building, while ideal, was never part of the conversation for this lot.
July 22, 20159 yr ^^Absolute crap. W. 24 St should be open as a street. The current market parking lot should be replaced with a structure, 2-below grade plus 10 or so above grade. Parking should be the 2-below grades and then 1 or 2 above grade. Street level and fronting retail along Lorain and 24th. And apartments/condos on the upper floors. What they have designed is a parking lot. We already have a giant parking lot! They just added 20% more spots. This is a great idea, it never occurred to me to go below grade. It could also incorporate a tunnel to the W. 25th Rapid stop.
July 22, 20159 yr ^Tunnels to transit stops that are of any great length are never perceived as safe by the user, or potential user. Getting up out of the station and into the street by the shortest distance is best, in my opinion.
July 22, 20159 yr I think Ohio City/Market District area is definitely dense enough to support a garage. The problem I see is that the land parcel is awkwardly shaped, so it would be difficult to fit an efficient garage on the site with proper entrance/exit
July 22, 20159 yr Ok. Go find the developer who is willing to spend the money for that. Parking garages are ridiculously expensive. A mixed use building, while ideal, was never part of the conversation for this lot. True. Cost per space of a typical parking garage is about $30,000. I was about to type that the city owns this land and could bond-finance a parking garage designed to accommodate a short building above, with the air rights offered for sale and sidewalk-fronting retail spaces for lease. But I wanted to verify that the city owns the property. Turns out the city owns only a portion of it. The rest, including a strip along and above the Red Line with an access point to the West 24th right of way, is owned by a woman named Joan Warmeling. In 2006 she jointly owned it with a company that appears to be a form of her name - Warmco Enterprises going back to 1990. However, I find no Ohio Secretary of State records for this company or her as an agent of any company in Ohio. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 22, 20159 yr I am sure that a parking garage could both be financed and designed here. However, it will most certainly result in higher parking fees for WSM customers, unless there is incredible, unlikely subsidy.
July 22, 20159 yr ^ Yeah, I agree. A parking garage here is not a very outlandish possibility at all. I actually thought it was being seriously discussed at one point, but I may be making that up.
July 22, 20159 yr Here's an option that could add parking on both W. 25th and W. 24th. Turn W. 25th into a one way street going South from Franklin Blvd to Chatham Ave., and turn W. 24th into a one way street going North from Chatham Ave to Franklin Blvd. This would provide 2 lanes of traffic on each of the streets going in the appropriate direction, and parking could be changed from curb parking to back-in angled parking on each street. This would add plenty of needed/additional parking spaces, but probably not enough parking spaces as a whole. I know W. 24th would have to be extended by taking away some of the "farm land" that is currently being utilized where an extension would go, but IMO the greater gain outweighs the loss of green space. W. 25th is a federal route, and getting approving the feds to assist in helping the traffic/parking problem would take "an act of congress", but W. 24th would become the northbound part of US-42. Don't know if this is a good idea, or not, but wanted to throw it out there.
July 22, 20159 yr I am sure that a parking garage could both be financed and designed here. However, it will most certainly result in higher parking fees for WSM customers, unless there is incredible, unlikely subsidy. I think a $2/hr parking fee would probably have hidden benefit. Many people might be inclined to stick around an area longer if they are "invested" in parking and have paid several dollars. At this point it's not just the market customers, a garage could serve new residential, the RTA stop nearby, the bars & restaurants...
July 22, 20159 yr Increasing the capacity for more cars is anti-pedestrian and anti-urban. Neighborhoods thrive because more people live there, not because more people visit there. Visitors are great, but they're gravy. The foundation is the residents. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 22, 20159 yr Increasing the capacity for more cars is anti-pedestrian and anti-urban. Neighborhoods thrive because more people live there, not because more people visit there. Visitors are great, but they're gravy. The foundation is the residents. Very true. And while we're all SIM City dreaming, I'd love to see the strip mall across the street torn down and replaced with a nice 5 story mixed use building. It's probably one of the best sites for TOD in the entire city currently....and we have a suburban strip there.
July 22, 20159 yr All of our built reality begins as dreams. Never disrespect or discourage dreams. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 22, 20159 yr ^^Absolute crap. W. 24 St should be open as a street. The current market parking lot should be replaced with a structure, 2-below grade plus 10 or so above grade. Parking should be the 2-below grades and then 1 or 2 above grade. Street level and fronting retail along Lorain and 24th. And apartments/condos on the upper floors. What they have designed is a parking lot. We already have a giant parking lot! They just added 20% more spots. This is a great idea, it never occurred to me to go below grade. It could also incorporate a tunnel to the W. 25th Rapid stop. I don't know about a tunnel to the Rapid, but the previous design of the old RTA stop (prior to 1992) with the platform going under the street allowing for entrances on both the north and south sides of Lorain Ave was much better, with the north side entrance adjacent to the WSM. The new stop with only the entrance on the south side of Lorain is much less convenient forcing OC visitors to wait for the light directing heavy traffic then schlep across the wide street (6-lanes I believe) to reach both the WSM and the core Market Square entertainment district.
July 22, 20159 yr Increasing the capacity for more cars is anti-pedestrian and anti-urban. Neighborhoods thrive because more people live there, not because more people visit there. Visitors are great, but they're gravy. The foundation is the residents. Very true. And while we're all SIM City dreaming, I'd love to see the strip mall across the street torn down and replaced with a nice 5 story mixed use building. It's probably one of the best sites for TOD in the entire city currently....and we have a suburban strip there. There is a proposal for that on here somewhere, in the last year. Actually it might even have been a cleveland.com article.
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