October 4, 20168 yr ^Unique's building + the adjacent Marathon station -- like Lorain Ave's gazillion used car lots -- is one of those ugly holes along the street, than needs to be filled in, preferably with mixed-use development along the sidewalk.
October 4, 20168 yr The developer of the Unique building also owns several parcels adjacent. Hopefully they're looking to do something worthwhile. Interestingly the LLC listed on the auditor's site is dead. These names are listed on the articles of organization if they look familiar. GERALD E ZAHLER RICHARD A KRETCH WARREN ZAHLER BRUCE KRETCH ET AL
October 4, 20168 yr Discussion of the next use of the site is fine, but specific comments about Unique and its role in the community should be reserved for the Cleveland Retail thread (but thank you for keeping on topic!) clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
October 4, 20168 yr ^Unique's building + the adjacent Marathon station -- like Lorain Ave's gazillion used car lots -- is one of those ugly holes along the street, than needs to be filled in, preferably with mixed-use development along the sidewalk. While I don't know what's happened on the Unique Thrift side of the corner, we'll be seeing good news on the west side of Fulton, hopefully in the (near) future.
October 5, 20168 yr The developer of the Unique building also owns several parcels adjacent. Hopefully they're looking to do something worthwhile. Interestingly the LLC listed on the auditor's site is dead. These names are listed on the articles of organization if they look familiar. GERALD E ZAHLER RICHARD A KRETCH WARREN ZAHLER BRUCE KRETCH ET AL I see the Zahlers and Kretchs of Beachwood as owning Mutual Properties Ltd. which is in existence until 2045. They own these properties in Cuyahoga County which have these uses: MUTUAL PROPERTIES 22401 Lakeshore Blvd, Euclid, Walgreens 15011 Euclid Ave. East Cleveland, Family Dollar 6512 Franklin Blvd., Cleveland, Rite Aid 3203 Lorain Avenue, Cleveland, historic structures (four parcels with same address) 3333 Lorain Avenue, Cleveland, Unique Thrift Store (also four parcels with same address) "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 5, 20168 yr While I don't know what's happened on the Unique Thrift side of the corner, we'll be seeing good news on the west side of Fulton, hopefully in the (near) future. I see the parcel is owned by OC Lorain Fulton LP whose incorporators/agents are executives at Allegro Realty. Allegro doesn't like to be a landlord. Instead, they put deals together. So I wouldn't be surprised if Allegro will sell the property to someone else. The property immediately south of 3701 Lorain is an old, 3-story brick factory (Tinnerman Stove and Range Company, 2048 Fulton Road) whose owners are seeking historic tax credits. See: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,2492.msg789731.html#msg789731 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 5, 20168 yr The gas station on the southeast corner of Fulton and Lorain is owned by Rasheeda Properties which in turn is owned by Akram Mustafa of Westlake. Rasheeda Properties owns seven properties in Cleveland, including four gas stations, a convenience store and a small apartment building. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 5, 20168 yr While I don't know what's happened on the Unique Thrift side of the corner, we'll be seeing good news on the west side of Fulton, hopefully in the (near) future. I see the parcel is owned by OC Lorain Fulton LP whose incorporators/agents are executives at Allegro Realty. Allegro doesn't like to be a landlord. Instead, they put deals together. So I wouldn't be surprised if Allegro will sell the property to someone else. The property immediately south of 3701 Lorain is an old, 3-story brick factory (Tinnerman Stove and Range Company, 2048 Fulton Road) whose owners are seeking historic tax credits. See: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,2492.msg789731.html#msg789731 Yes. And don't forget the old Hollywood Video property too. There should be some good news coming there that doesn't involve the Golden Arches.
October 5, 20168 yr Looks like Hollywood Video is on the same parcel that extends to Fulton. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 5, 20168 yr Hollywood Video (and its parking lot) on the corner of Fulton and Lorain is a different parcel than 2048 Fulton (Tinnerman building cited above). In fact, it's interesting that historic tax credits were being sought for Tinnerman in February, as the owner then is not the same as the owner now. At any rate, believe we will be seeing different (but complimentary) project there, by different land users. Think public and private uses, both needed into the neighborhood.
October 6, 20168 yr Thanks. County records doesn't show an owner for the Tinnerman building so I was curious if it was affiliated. No matter, as it's all investment that's good for the neighborhood. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 8, 20168 yr The Snavely development has cut down all of the big mature trees on the corner of 25th and Detroit. I was really hoping they'd save them since that corner is supposed to be a park anyways... :x
October 9, 20168 yr A few pics from today.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 10, 20168 yr Interesting rumor I overheard on Friday at a downtown coffee shop from two businessmen at the table next to me. Not sure who they were, but they were discussing the possibility of a whole foods opening up at the site of the former Unique thrift store on Lorain...See the midtown developments thread for another development regarding grocers that I heard this week.
October 10, 20168 yr Interesting rumor I overheard on Friday at a downtown coffee shop from two businessmen at the table next to me. Not sure who they were, but they were discussing the possibility of a whole foods opening up at the site of the former Unique thrift store on Lorain...See the midtown developments thread for another development regarding grocers that I heard this week. Interesting. I was just reading about Whole Foods trying to expand beyond its "base" in some areas, including lower income and "millennial-focused" areas, which would have a slightly smaller-format store. Unique's site could hit both markets, and offers decent access to I-90 for 'burbanites on their way to/from home. http://www.wsj.com/articles/whole-foods-sets-up-shop-in-low-income-neighborhoods-1476010801
October 10, 20168 yr 2628 Detroit was coming down this morning. My hands were too cold to snap a pic, haha.
October 10, 20168 yr Whole Foods Market (WFM) has recently introduce a value-driven brand of stores called 365 by Whole Foods. 365 is their house brand and therefore more in line with mid-market pricing. It's very possible, if not likely that an up and coming neighborhood like Ohio City which quite honestly is still rough around the edges demographicallly would be a good fit for this, as opposed to an actual WFM.
October 10, 20168 yr 2628 Detroit was coming down this morning. My hands were too cold to snap a pic, haha. Won't take long to raze this.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 10, 20168 yr The WSJ today reported that Whole Foods is opening a store in Englewood IL, where median income is ~$20,500. Thus a Lorain Ave location wouldn't be out of the question. The article included no mention of the "365" branding; maybe they have given up on that idea. http://www.wsj.com/articles/whole-foods-sets-up-shop-in-low-income-neighborhoods-1476010801 Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
October 10, 20168 yr One West 20 http://photos.clevescene.com/photos-renderings-latest-apartment-development-ohio-city/?slide=1&humphreys-partners-urban-architecture-brickhaus-towers-1-mpmh9slwzimmpi0raa66r3nuii8i6nbo1066te11j4
October 10, 20168 yr This project is covered here: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,28822.msg822079/topicseen.html#new
October 10, 20168 yr The WSJ today reported that Whole Foods is opening a store in Englewood IL, where median income is ~$20,500. Thus a Lorain Ave location wouldn't be out of the question. The article included no mention of the "365" branding; maybe they have given up on that idea. http://www.wsj.com/articles/whole-foods-sets-up-shop-in-low-income-neighborhoods-1476010801 Whole Foods has not given up on the 365 branding. It just started. The first 365 store opened in LA a few months ago. It is always busy. 365 stores are rolling out across the county with one being built in Akron right now. This would be a good fit for Ohio City.
October 10, 20168 yr The WSJ today reported that Whole Foods is opening a store in Englewood IL, where median income is ~$20,500. Thus a Lorain Ave location wouldn't be out of the question. The article included no mention of the "365" branding; maybe they have given up on that idea. http://www.wsj.com/articles/whole-foods-sets-up-shop-in-low-income-neighborhoods-1476010801 Whole Foods is one of the first that I know of to try and adapt their typical model to suit the market they want. Not find a market that works for their typical model and plop it down there. http://www.slate.com/articles/life/food/2014/11/whole_foods_detroit_can_a_grocery_store_really_fight_elitism_racism_and.html http://www.modeldmedia.com/features/Detroit-Whole-Foods-effect-092314.aspx
October 11, 20168 yr http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2016/10132016/index.php Cleveland Planning Commission Case 16-055 Ohio City Historic District 3010 Vine Court New Construction of Townhomes Ward 3 McCormack Erick Husteck LDA Architects More pics at the link above "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 11, 20168 yr Even though these are different developers, they're very near each other so I'll put them in the same posting.... http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2016/10132016/index.php Cleveland Landmarks Commission CONCEPT PLANS Case 16-060; 99-052 Lorain Avenue Historic District 4616 Lorain Avenue New Construction of Townhomes Ward 3 McCormack Bob Boothe Civitad Services Case 16-061 Lorain Avenue Historic District Lorain and West 44th Demolition and New Mixed-use Construction Ward 3 McCormack BNR Ventures Redhouse Studio "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 11, 20168 yr Can anyone speak to Snavely's long term goals for the entrance to the subway and ultimately, the under portion of the Detroit Superior bridge? I've always been captivated by the idea of this entrance, or new entrances in close proximity to the Bridge, providing the gateway into a refurbished train tunnel across the bridge fit for pedestrian use, night markets / bazaars, concerts, etc. (a la "the Bridge Project"). This would easily be one of the most intriguing urban experiences in the country, and the Snavely development at this intersection only creates further momentum for getting something done (eventually). Thanks.
October 11, 20168 yr Is that new retail? It can be done in Cleveland urban planning!! ;) Seriously, I have now officially lost track of new construction and new projects in Ohio City.
October 11, 20168 yr ^I was literally just thinking to myself about the amount of housing units which have bern added to OC and Edgewater over the last 5 years. Seems like a pretty decent amount.
October 11, 20168 yr Is that new retail? It can be done in Cleveland urban planning!! ;) Seriously, I have now officially lost track of new construction and new projects in Ohio City. It's hard to tell from the pictures, but it appears the existing retail building is being "reverse-engineered" to its original historic character with another storefront and housing added to it. The amount of development planned just in the Lorain-West 40s area is mind-blowing. If you widen your lens to include all of Ohio City, it's almost impossible to focus on everything at once. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 11, 20168 yr Wow. That's a whole bunch of stuff to take in. 44th project is hard to tell exactly if its a compelete demo or not. If not they are going to replcate the structure on the east side up against herb and twine. I like it a lot but wishing they could wrap in all the way around, along the alleyway. OC's alleys are under used imo. They are mostly used for car access and utility when they could become full fleged traditional city pedestrian corridors with both commerical and residental use. I know commerical/retail is pretty hard sell in alleys but would be awesome if done right. 47th... I wasn't expecting to see something there so quick. Only heard rumors. Looks like it needs a better visual design but its really hard to tell from that draft rendering. Either way glad to see this progress i my neighborhood.
October 12, 20168 yr I think it's just a bad rendering; poor artwork. It will probably look a lot better in reality.
October 12, 20168 yr It could use some refinements, but I kind of like it. It reminds me a bit of a streamline/mid century mod mash up. I think it will stand out, in a good way.
October 12, 20168 yr It's just a conceptual presentation to get the feedback and guidance of the commission. It's apparent the developer didn't want to spend big bucks on "nicer/detailed" graphics until he/she was sure what Landmarks would permit. BTW, welcome ASP1984! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 12, 20168 yr It could use some refinements, but I kind of like it. It reminds me a bit of a streamline/mid century mod mash up. I think it will stand out, in a good way. I agree... painting is lousy though. Not flattering. Renderings usually make projects look better than real life, not worse.
October 12, 20168 yr No, we're just getting spoiled by hyper realistic glossies made with sophisticated modeling software that makes glass look like the finest crystal and mundane lighting look super dramatic. Now hand drawn sketches look weird to us.
October 12, 20168 yr Wow. That's a whole bunch of stuff to take in. 44th project is hard to tell exactly if its a compelete demo or not. If not they are going to replcate the structure on the east side up against herb and twine. I like it a lot but wishing they could wrap in all the way around, along the alleyway. OC's alleys are under used imo. They are mostly used for car access and utility when they could become full fleged traditional city pedestrian corridors with both commerical and residental use. I know commerical/retail is pretty hard sell in alleys but would be awesome if done right. 47th... I wasn't expecting to see something there so quick. Only heard rumors. Looks like it needs a better visual design but its really hard to tell from that draft rendering. Either way glad to see this progress i my neighborhood. Re W.44: Can't say for sure, but from the rendering it appears it will either be a demo + new construction or a facade makeover of the ugly Ohio City furniture store and its neighbor, the motorcycle place (which is more attractive with its exposed brick) plus a 1-storefront expansion to the attractive Victorian structure (currently an art gallery?) to immediately to the east. I would guess the latter since the building at the W. 44 corner appears large and solid... but that's just my take.
October 13, 20168 yr It could use some refinements, but I kind of like it. It reminds me a bit of a streamline/mid century mod mash up. I think it will stand out, in a good way. "Mash up" is an appropriate description.
October 17, 20168 yr Plenty of digging already done at the Snavely project at 25th and Detroit. Glad to see they're moving so quickly after closing their financing
October 18, 20168 yr Someone mentioned that small grocery store in one of the posts. Is that to remain? Move into the new building? I see the jazz place is actually supposed to move in.
October 18, 20168 yr Wow. That's a whole bunch of stuff to take in. 44th project is hard to tell exactly if its a compelete demo or not. If not they are going to replcate the structure on the east side up against herb and twine. I like it a lot but wishing they could wrap in all the way around, along the alleyway. OC's alleys are under used imo. They are mostly used for car access and utility when they could become full fleged traditional city pedestrian corridors with both commerical and residental use. I know commerical/retail is pretty hard sell in alleys but would be awesome if done right. 47th... I wasn't expecting to see something there so quick. Only heard rumors. Looks like it needs a better visual design but its really hard to tell from that draft rendering. Either way glad to see this progress i my neighborhood. Re W.44: Can't say for sure, but from the rendering it appears it will either be a demo + new construction or a facade makeover of the ugly Ohio City furniture store and its neighbor, the motorcycle place (which is more attractive with its exposed brick) plus a 1-storefront expansion to the attractive Victorian structure (currently an art gallery?) to immediately to the east. I would guess the latter since the building at the W. 44 corner appears large and solid... but that's just my take. Can't say much, but the rendering is conceptual and was created to gain local design review and landmarks commission feedback. It would be a demo+new construction and both design review and landmarks said they liked it overall but would like the building to look modern, to not emulate an historic building, and to fit in with the context of the neighborhood. They also would like for it to be taller.
October 18, 20168 yr ^ tbh I would love for it to emulate a historic building. I really like how it looks in that rendering.
October 18, 20168 yr WTF? The neighborhood context IS historic. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
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