We do need these and they can't all be on the main drag.  I go by the "what if you need TP and don't have a car" principle for distribution of corner stores.

I used to live in Ohio City...mid nineties and I swear there were no corner stores. All there was were the gas stations. No nonsense corner stores are awesome.

I lived in Little Italy in the mid-1980s and there was an itty-bitty grocery/convenience store, not on the corner or in a strip or plaza, but smack dab in between a couple houses on Murray Hill Rd. (currently Club Leo). They sold mostly beer and wine but also carried all those little "oh crap, I'm out of_____" sort of things that you just don't want to have to get in the car to get. I'd come home from work via the red line and walk past this place  and they'd have just about anything you needed. Kind of harkens back to a by-gone era.

I used to live in Ohio City...mid nineties and I swear there were no corner stores. All there was were the gas stations. No nonsense corner stores are awesome.

 

I used to live in Ohio City...mid nineties and I swear there were no corner stores. All there was were the gas stations. No nonsense corner stores are awesome.

 

Please tell me you didn't hang out at that Irish bar in the hood!!!

^I don't recall that, but the Fulton Cafe for sure

^I don't recall that, but the Fulton Cafe for sure

 

Brief memory gain!

 

Marshall McClarens.....there was a child prostitution ring there. These were dark times in the O.C.

Project 29 Joining Westside's High-End Apartment Boom, Stoking Neighborhood 'Growing Pains'

 

The growing pains of Ohio City's commercial-residential interface are well worn territory for Cleveland's civic-minded base — and especially for those who actually live and work in the area. In the corner of Ohio City that some call "Hingetown," the question of how to negotiate neighborhood development is crystallized in the newest big-ticket project.

 

The development team behind Project 29 landed before the Cleveland Planning Commission this morning, and, by most accounts, they're well on their way to securing approval for an 11-story, 163-unit mixed-use site on Detroit Avenue between West 29th and West 28th. The project proposes two buildings ("The Church" and "The State"), split by a walkway that would be used for anything from concerts to wedding receptions. It's backed by westside power couple Graham Veysey and Marika Shioiri-Clark.

 

 

http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2017/04/21/project-29-joining-westsides-high-end-apartment-boom-stoking-neighborhood-growing-pains

Project 29 Joining Westside's High-End Apartment Boom, Stoking Neighborhood 'Growing Pains'

 

The growing pains of Ohio City's commercial-residential interface are well worn territory for Cleveland's civic-minded base — and especially for those who actually live and work in the area. In the corner of Ohio City that some call "Hingetown," the question of how to negotiate neighborhood development is crystallized in the newest big-ticket project.

 

The development team behind Project 29 landed before the Cleveland Planning Commission this morning, and, by most accounts, they're well on their way to securing approval for an 11-story, 163-unit mixed-use site on Detroit Avenue between West 29th and West 28th. The project proposes two buildings ("The Church" and "The State"), split by a walkway that would be used for anything from concerts to wedding receptions. It's backed by westside power couple Graham Veysey and Marika Shioiri-Clark.

 

 

http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2017/04/21/project-29-joining-westsides-high-end-apartment-boom-stoking-neighborhood-growing-pains

 

While I sympathize with some of the older residents, I think a lot of their energy is just misguided.

I definitely sympathize with people who don't want nightlife/noise coming into their quiet neighborhood. But the general solution issues like that is focusing intense development on primary corridors well served by transit. Which is exactly what this proposal does. So sympathies or not, I hope the city approves this project ASAP.

I definitely sympathize with people who don't want nightlife/noise coming into their quiet neighborhood. But the general solution issues like that is focusing intense development on primary corridors well served by transit. Which is exactly what this proposal does. So sympathies or not, I hope the city approves this project ASAP.

 

Right. The opposition reminds me of an insular, small town mindset. Cites change. Constantly. If you want to live in a place where things never change well there's plenty of other places to live.

I definitely sympathize with people who don't want nightlife/noise coming into their quiet neighborhood. But the general solution issues like that is focusing intense development on primary corridors well served by transit. Which is exactly what this proposal does. So sympathies or not, I hope the city approves this project ASAP.

 

Another reason for closing West 29th from Detroit to Franklin and make it pedestrian only.

 

I was at Mason's creamery the other day when I overheard / eavesdropped on the conversation next to me. It was a young man, who obviously grew up in the neighborhood, speaking to his friend.

 

The young man mentioned the new proposed Project 29 and said "I would rather see the land vacant than more gentrification come to this neighborhood and price all of the residents out of the neighborhood." to which his friend replied "You realize you wouldn't be eating this ice cream right now if it were not for gentrification." Perhaps the best response I have ever heard in the perennial debate over gentrification.

 

I understand not wanting the neighborhood to change and nightlife to come into a neighborhood... but this is on Detroit Road, let the neighborhood fabric be insulated behind, let the thoroughfare thrive and modernize.

... "I would rather see the land vacant than more gentrification come to this neighborhood and price all of the residents out of the neighborhood." ..

 

That land sitting vacant land = less housing available = available housing increases in price.

^ it's amazing how many people don't get this. 

I definitely sympathize with people who don't want nightlife/noise coming into their quiet neighborhood. But the general solution issues like that is focusing intense development on primary corridors well served by transit. Which is exactly what this proposal does. So sympathies or not, I hope the city approves this project ASAP.

 

Another reason for closing West 29th from Detroit to Franklin and make it pedestrian only.

 

I was at Mason's creamery the other day when I overheard / eavesdropped on the conversation next to me. It was a young man, who obviously grew up in the neighborhood, speaking to his friend.

 

The young man mentioned the new proposed Project 29 and said "I would rather see the land vacant than more gentrification come to this neighborhood and price all of the residents out of the neighborhood." to which his friend replied "You realize you wouldn't be eating this ice cream right now if it were not for gentrification." Perhaps the best response I have ever heard in the perennial debate over gentrification.

 

I understand not wanting the neighborhood to change and nightlife to come into a neighborhood... but this is on Detroit Road, let the neighborhood fabric be insulated behind, let the thoroughfare thrive and modernize.

 

Why is the proposed Project 29 a good reason for closing off W. 29th St.? There is parking on W. 29th from Detroit to Franklin currently, so by closing off W. 29th that would only add to any parking problem created by building the Project 29 development.

 

W. 29th Street from Detroit Ave. to Franklin Ave is not at a point where I would think there is justification for, or the need currently to vacate it as a through street.  Would leaving W. 29th Street as a through street not help with the flow of traffic, rather then hinder traffic flow as the area around it grows with more apts/condo's/homes, and additional retail? I don't know, only time will tell.

 

What I do know is having three apt projects currently under construction in this part of OC, and the Project 29 development in the works can only be beneficial to OC, current and future retailers, and the CLE as a whole. 

 

Now if only Keiffe'rs could be revived (just without the Politicians).

^What is the name of the apartments currently going up next to Mariner's Watch?

^Edge 32

^ If CMSD were smart, they would sell this piece of highly valuable land but alas here we are. 

^ If CMSD were smart, they would sell this piece of highly valuable land but alas here we are. 

 

Agree, there should be a mandatory cost-benefit analysis with government held properties. Anyhow, glad to see the three preferred options all embrace Detroit in a good way.

^ If CMSD were smart, they would sell this piece of highly valuable land but alas here we are. 

 

Agree, there should be a mandatory cost-benefit analysis with government held properties. Anyhow, glad to see the three preferred options all embrace Detroit in a good way.

 

I have it on good authority that CMSD received a bid for the land that was RIH-DIH-CUE-LUSS

 

 

Designers "blown away" by potential of Irishtown Bend park as planning begins

 

http://www.cleveland.com/architecture/index.ssf/2017/04/planners_kick_off_plans_for_ir.html#incart_river_home_pop

 

 

^ If CMSD were smart, they would sell this piece of highly valuable land but alas here we are. 

 

Agree, there should be a mandatory cost-benefit analysis with government held properties. Anyhow, glad to see the three preferred options all embrace Detroit in a good way.

 

I have it on good authority that CMSD received a bid for the land that was RIH-DIH-CUE-LUSS

 

It's so stupid that they didn't even consider taking that - or at least considered selling off part of the site in favor of a school with more stories. Think of how many new computers and other things they could buy for their schools with that money.

A building permit for 1468 West 25th  St. is listed under the name Mark Raymond,  who I am assuming might be the same one who owns The Cleveland Hostel. Shows the job value at 2 million. Anyone heard anything about this building?

A building permit for 1468 West 25th  St. is listed under the name Mark Raymond,  who I am assuming might be the same one who owns The Cleveland Hostel. Shows the job value at 2 million. Anyone heard anything about this building?

 

renovation, addition. hotel.

A building permit for 1468 West 25th  St. is listed under the name Mark Raymond,  who I am assuming might be the same one who owns The Cleveland Hostel. Shows the job value at 2 million. Anyone heard anything about this building?

 

renovation, addition. hotel.

Good.  Now let's get going with it please, though I'd like to see new, well designed fill-in on the west side of West 25th.

Here is the plan for 1468 W. 25th from the Landmarks agenda February 2015:

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2015/02262015/index.php

 

^Good find. With the eventual takedown of the buildings across the street and the development of IrishtownBend look for more development on the westside of 25th. St.  That new Park will change Ohio City.  Can't wait.

The last rendering of this project I saw, it had a an open courtyard to the north of the existing building. This is 100% better.

Here is the plan for 1468 W. 25th from the Landmarks agenda February 2015:

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2015/02262015/index.php

 

this image is from a past attempt to renovate and expand this property. That project fell through and the building/land was sold to another entity. But from what i understand, the new project will also include an addition.

this image is from a past attempt to renovate and expand this property. That project fell through and the building/land was sold to another entity. But from what i understand, the new project will also include an addition.

 

Thanks for the info. I hope the new project looks as good as the original plan.

A building permit for 1468 West 25th  St. is listed under the name Mark Raymond,  who I am assuming might be the same one who owns The Cleveland Hostel. Shows the job value at 2 million. Anyone heard anything about this building?

 

renovation, addition. hotel.

Good.  Now let's get going with it please, though I'd like to see new, well designed fill-in on the west side of West 25th.

 

This is a very nice and creative project... I'd also like to see some similar development replacing the infamous Market Sq. plaza and the area south near the Red Line Rapid station where, currently, there are parking lots and small warehouses and weedy areas along Gehring Street.  You know... TOD.

Here is the plan for 1468 W. 25th from the Landmarks agenda February 2015:

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2015/02262015/index.php

 

 

Wasn't there also a building project proposed between this project and the corner of West 25th/Church Avenue?

Wasn't there also a building project proposed between this project and the corner of West 25th/Church Avenue?

 

Not sure. According to the GIS, the small parcel next to the above building is owned by West 25th St Lofts LLC, which is the owner of the renovated apartment building on the other side of Church. I don't remember seeing anything proposed for that lot.

There will be an addition, but the old scheme is not what it will be. That was when it was going to be condos.

I haven't heard anything about any development happening on that 25th & Church parking lot (at least not in the near future). It was recently re-paved within the last couple months and the existing / future developers in the area are pretty happy with the new(ish) David Shillinglaw mural on the south-facing side of the 1468 building

The addition would go on the north empty parcel

Here is the updated project from above.

 

http://realestate.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2017/04/cleveland_hostel_owner_plans_b.html

 

Cleveland Hostel owner plans boutique hotel in Ohio City, on West 25th Street (photos)

CLEVELAND, Ohio - Cleveland Hostel owner Mark Raymond is shouldering his second hospitality project in the Ohio City neighborhood: A boutique hotel blending old and new construction.

 

The 25-room project, named the Hulett Hotel in a nod to Northeast Ohio's industrial history, would sit on West 25th Street north of Church Avenue. Raymond aims to renovate a three-story brick building, vacated years ago by Lutheran Metropolitan Ministry, and to build a four-story, modern addition on an adjacent parking lot to the north.

 

 

 

^ That's awesome. I can't wait for the day that all the gaps are filled on W 25th between Detroit and Lorain.

THAT is some cool looking infill.  This area is going to be changing rapidly.

If the soil conditions permit, that western edge of West 25th really is super prime for intense development to take in those views.

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If the soil conditions permit, that western edge of West 25th really is super prime for intense development to take in those views.

 

Agreed.  This is arguably the best place for some real density in ohio city.  It's about time that Lutheran reevaluates the parking lots as they own about 750' of frontage on West 25th that is currently surface parking.  I've always thought that a garage in the middle of the Aust-Franklin block would allow for some great development, but its a hard financial decision if you don't have to pay real estate taxes...  Just seems to be getting to the point where they are holding back the neighborhood with those lots.

Mark Raymond has done an excellent job with the Hostel so I have no doubt he will duplicate this effort in the Hulett.  The rendering is mega-cool. 

 

It's interesting in the article Raymond notes that a number of his Hostel guests could afford traditional hotels but prefer to stay in OC.  Hulett obviously is a step in the right direction for more diverse lodging in OC that can more capture that audience.  I  wonder why more businesses have not chosen to move to the neighborhood as well.  It's desirable on multiple fronts as well as being highly accessible.

If the soil conditions permit, that western edge of West 25th really is super prime for intense development to take in those views.

 

When rents reach the right level, it should allow a developer to afford sinking caissons to bedrock to support development here, regardless of soil conditions. Some high-value housing has been built along the west side of the Rocky River valley which has the same slope stabilization issues (porous shale), but the housing was built atop expensive caissons.

 

 

 

Agreed.  This is arguably the best place for some real density in ohio city.  It's about time that Lutheran reevaluates the parking lots as they own about 750' of frontage on West 25th that is currently surface parking.  I've always thought that a garage in the middle of the Aust-Franklin block would allow for some great development, but its a hard financial decision if you don't have to pay real estate taxes...  Just seems to be getting to the point where they are holding back the neighborhood with those lots.

 

That's been considered. In fact, you'll noticed on the CPC GIS that the area on both sides of West 25th (the Irish Ben hillside and the Lutheran Hospital parking lot) were zoned with urban overlay districts with a PRO (Pedestrian Retail Overlay) for street level frontage. So the CDC and the city have made its intentions known what it wants there, and considering the main stakeholder involved (Cleveland Clinic), apparently they're OK with it. I can't see the city zoning it with the urban/PRO overlays without consent of the property owner.

Things moving quickly at the Snavely site:

 

From W28 looking towards Detroit/W25

 

 

From Superior Viaduct/W25

 

 

 

 

Shuffleboard Bar to open. http://fox8.com/2017/05/09/forest-city-shuffleboard-arena-and-bar-hopes-to-open-next-week/

Something may be brewing in the block just east of the Urban Community School on Lorain Avenue. On this week's Planning Commission agenda is the following:

 

Resolution No. 204-17(Ward 3/Councilmember McCormack): Declaring the intent to vacate a portion of Lorain Court and West 48th Place.

 

The vacating of a street is often an indicator of land assembly for a real estate development. The proximity of the Urban Community School suggests this request could be related to the school. However, there are a number of recent property acquisitions in that block by a company called RVE Investments LLC that was incorporated in June 2016. It acquired several properties in the fall of 2016:

 

RVE INVESTMENTS LLC

02020 W 47 ST

$127,500

16-SEP-16

 

RVE INVESTMENTS LLC

02050 W 47 ST

$96,000

18-NOV-16

 

RVE INVESTMENTS LLC

02046 W 47 ST

$65,000

21-NOV-16

 

RVE is likely someone's initials, but it doesn't a ring bell for me. The company was incorporated by a small-time Lakewood attorney named Michael Graham who also is the statutory agent for L.A.N.D. Studio and Oberlin Center for the Arts.

 

In the rest of that block, a few parcels are owned by Urban Community School (for the parking lot on West 48th), plus a few remaining private homes on West 47th. But perhaps half of that block is owned by PM Foundation Inc. which also owns the used car lot on Lorain. It owns contiguous parcels on Lorain and extending several parcels southward on both West 47th and 48th, then scattered parcels as far south as Turn Ave. next to the NS & RTA tracks.

 

So if RVE intends to assemble this block for whatever intents and purposes it may have, it's still got a long way to go...

 

W48thPl-LorainCt by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr

This is in fact an expansion by UCS and partners.  They're building a facility for Urban Squash as well as some general space and I believe a Early Childhood center, which may be operated by another partner. 

 

Follow-up on the above posts....

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2017/05112017/index.php

 

Case 17-027

Lorain Avenue Historic District

Urban Squash Cleveland 4701 Lorain Avenue

New Construction

Ward 3

McCormack

Christine Raymond

Kaczmar Architects

Thomas Gill

Urban Community School

 

 

 

 

 

 

Interesting. PD reporter Michelle Jarboe tweeted news about the above project. Ohio City CDC's director responded with this tidbit below...

 

Tom McNair‏ @tsmcnair  11m11 minutes ago

 

Most college squash scholarships go unclaimed. All of the top 100 schools offer squash. Think about that for a second mjarboe[/member] ?

does anyone know the scope of work being done at Lutheran hospital right now? There's a bunch of guys / machinery pulling up the sidewalk at the 28th / Franklin intersection. Those sidewalks were not in particularly bad shape but it would be great if that entrance and goofy roundabout was somehow reconfigured to be more pedestrian friendly...

Imagine if Franklin Circle actually became a circle again....

does anyone know the scope of work being done at Lutheran hospital right now? There's a bunch of guys / machinery pulling up the sidewalk at the 28th / Franklin intersection. Those sidewalks were not in particularly bad shape but it would be great if that entrance and goofy roundabout was somehow reconfigured to be more pedestrian friendly...

 

If the only work you saw was pertaining to the sidewalk, it could just be Dominion working on the gas lines. They've been replacing them all over the West Side and I know Franklin was happening right now along with my street.

I haven't popped into this thread in a while and just saw the renderings for that new hotel... that's pretty awesome!