Interestingly, a Westlake-based financial/retirement planning firm called IPLAN Group acquired several properties last year along Frease Avenue east of West 41st. There's a few properties in the Cleveland Land Bank and a few homes still in private hands, including three properties on West 38th owned by Amelia Earhart...so that's where she went! And behind the  small industry on the east side of West 38th is a huge piece of land owned by RTA, perhaps for the never-built station. Distance-wise, it's almost exactly midway between the West 65th and Ohio City stations.

I was at a public event last month where whoever was speaking mentioned the greenway project was a long way off. Not sure if it was a council person or parks official.

Interestingly, a Westlake-based financial/retirement planning firm called IPLAN Group acquired several properties last year along Frease Avenue east of West 41st. There's a few properties in the Cleveland Land Bank and a few homes still in private hands, including three properties on West 38th owned by Amelia Earhart...so that's where she went! And behind the  small industry on the east side of West 38th is a huge piece of land owned by RTA, perhaps for the never-built station. Distance-wise, it's almost exactly midway between the West 65th and Ohio City stations.

 

Ken, what should and could be done to get both Jackson, Council (Zone?), RTA and even NOACA to push for an infill Rapid station here?  There is, indeed, too large a gap between stations (over 1 mile) along this Red Line station and lots of neighborhood potential for density and growth here -- as well as being walking distance to a rapidly revitalizing section of the Lorain Ave commercial district.

 

NOTE: for similar reasons, an infill Red Line station should be looked at around W. 85th as well..

I was at a public event last month where whoever was speaking mentioned the greenway project was a long way off. Not sure if it was a council person or parks official.

 

The section from W. 65th to the river is largely funded via the tiger grant, but actual funding and groundbreaking are scheduled for 2019.  The land at W 41st and Frease is interesting because the trail comes up to street level, out of the cut, at this point.  There's also an old dilapidated footbridge there at W 38th. 

A developer could go to the city (and of course, RTA, since they would ultimately operate a new station) and request a TIF from their new development. They could seek through NOACA a  low-interest TIFIA loan or credits (https://www.transportation.gov/buildamerica/programs-services/tifia) financed by TIF revenues to help build the station. Unless this was a significant development, I doubt it would produce a revenue stream large enough to finance the entire construction costs of a new station. Point is, a developer would have to show to RTA that the agency won't have to pay a significant portion of the construction cost. Ideally, if a developer really wants RTA's support for a new station, then find a way to build it without having RTA spend anything to build it. Considering RTA owns a large chunk of land just east of West 38th, that land sale could represent RTA's financial contribution to the station's construction.

 

BTW, if the real estate development is considered to be transit oriented, the developer could also get a TIFIA loan or credits to help finance the development too. This is a new feature added to the TIFIA program as of December 2015. But, of course, there would have to be a rail station there (or in the works) to justly claim the development was transit-oriented.

A developer could go to the city (and of course, RTA, since they would ultimately operate a new station) and request a TIF from their new development. They could seek through NOACA a  low-interest TIFIA loan or credits (https://www.transportation.gov/buildamerica/programs-services/tifia) financed by TIF revenues to help build the station. Unless this was a significant development, I doubt it would produce a revenue stream large enough to finance the entire construction costs of a new station. Point is, a developer would have to show to RTA that the agency won't have to pay a significant portion of the construction cost. Ideally, if a developer really wants RTA's support for a new station, then find a way to build it without having RTA spend anything to build it. Considering RTA owns a large chunk of land just east of West 38th, that land sale could represent RTA's financial contribution to the station's construction.

 

BTW, if the real estate development is considered to be transit oriented, the developer could also get a TIFIA loan or credits to help finance the development too. This is a new feature added to the TIFIA program as of December 2015. But, of course, there would have to be a rail station there (or in the works) to justly claim the development was transit-oriented.

 

Great info.  Thanks.

A developer could go to the city (and of course, RTA, since they would ultimately operate a new station) and request a TIF from their new development. They could seek through NOACA a  low-interest TIFIA loan or credits (https://www.transportation.gov/buildamerica/programs-services/tifia) financed by TIF revenues to help build the station. Unless this was a significant development, I doubt it would produce a revenue stream large enough to finance the entire construction costs of a new station. Point is, a developer would have to show to RTA that the agency won't have to pay a significant portion of the construction cost. Ideally, if a developer really wants RTA's support for a new station, then find a way to build it without having RTA spend anything to build it. Considering RTA owns a large chunk of land just east of West 38th, that land sale could represent RTA's financial contribution to the station's construction.

 

BTW, if the real estate development is considered to be transit oriented, the developer could also get a TIFIA loan or credits to help finance the development too. This is a new feature added to the TIFIA program as of December 2015. But, of course, there would have to be a rail station there (or in the works) to justly claim the development was transit-oriented.

 

I was at a public event last month where whoever was speaking mentioned the greenway project was a long way off. Not sure if it was a council person or parks official.

About a week ago the PD had an article regarding colorful murals being painted by students in the vicinity of the greenway and madae it sound like work would be done very soon.

 

Regarding the Vine Court project, I went there today to see what's going on, as the developer states construction is to begin "this month" (July).  Absolutely nothing is going on, save a guy working on the back yard of new apartment houses facing Clinton Avenue.  Along Vine Court, which, incidentally, has wretched brick painting, are several small old and decrepit buildings, with only a small space remaining that looks like it has any real potential for new residential construction. The land may go up to Franklin Boulevard, but everything is left as it was, with scrub and a lot of trees remaining.  No sign anything is going to happen soon.

 

 

I was at a public event last month where whoever was speaking mentioned the greenway project was a long way off. Not sure if it was a council person or parks official.

About a week ago the PD had an article regarding colorful murals being painted by students in the vicinity of the greenway and madae it sound like work would be done very soon.

 

They just completed a very nice mural that takes up the whole south facing wall of Lorain between the bridges over the red line and Columbus

Regarding the building at the s.e. corner of West 29th and Detroit, here it's now got this all-black, sleek, sort of elegant walk on the West 29th side, and on the south walk is this huge, gaudy, colorful mural.... Does anyone else think it distracts from the bewly rebuilt building's beauty?

I was at a public event last month where whoever was speaking mentioned the greenway project was a long way off. Not sure if it was a council person or parks official.

About a week ago the PD had an article regarding colorful murals being painted by students in the vicinity of the greenway and madae it sound like work would be done very soon.

 

They just completed a very nice mural that takes up the whole south facing wall of Lorain between the bridges over the red line and Columbus

 

I thought the greenway phase 1 was opening was around 2020. They're hosting a 5k down there in September which should be cool.

 

 

Regarding the building at the s.e. corner of West 29th and Detroit, here it's now got this all-black, sleek, sort of elegant walk on the West 29th side, and on the south walk is this huge, gaudy, colorful mural.... Does anyone else think it distracts from the bewly rebuilt building's beauty?

 

I really like the yellow mural. It was on the building before they renovated it and I'm glad they retained it.

Regarding the building at the s.e. corner of West 29th and Detroit, here it's now got this all-black, sleek, sort of elegant walk on the West 29th side, and on the south walk is this huge, gaudy, colorful mural.... Does anyone else think it distracts from the bewly rebuilt building's beauty?

 

I think it looks really cool. 

Joe Lanzilotta did this one (local guy).

Detroit/25th is all topped off and the roof has gone on. Cladding has started going up on the first floor too this week. Makes a nice impression from Superior Viaduct too.

 

^ I can't see your photo. Are you talking about the Snavely project? I'm pretty sure it will be getting another story. Currently it's at 4, but the renderings show 5 floors.

^ I can't see your photo. Are you talking about the Snavely project? I'm pretty sure it will be getting another story. Currently it's at 4, but the renderings show 5 floors.

 

Yes, still one more floor to go. 

Construction of the whole western section is way behind the rest.

 

Construction of the whole western section is way behind the rest.

 

I noticed that. I wonder if it is being done this way for structural purposes.

Here are a few from their Facebook probably 2-3 weeks old.

Now I'm interested in the relatively small project Kertesz announced across the street, at 2925 Detroit.  It sure doesn't look like much now, but he's saying he wants three restaurants and a boutique.  I hope he keeps the building, as long as it's cleaned up.  I'm thinking the two former houses won't be around much longer.  Land way too valuable.

 

 

 

I have it second hand from the OC Councilman that there is an 8-story hotel being planned along the south side of the red-line near W. 41st based upon the movement the Red Line Greenway project gets.

 

Does this item on this week's design review committee agenda have anything to do with the above?

 

ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS

Ordinance No. 870-17(Ward 3/Councilmember McCormack; Ward 14/Councilmember Cummins): Changing the Use, Height and Area Districts south of I-90 and north of Clark Avenue between West 41st Street and Fulton Avenue.

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2017/08042017/index.php

I have it second hand from the OC Councilman that there is an 8-story hotel being planned along the south side of the red-line near W. 41st based upon the movement the Red Line Greenway project gets.

 

Does this item on this week's design review committee agenda have anything to do with the above?

 

ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS

Ordinance No. 870-17(Ward 3/Councilmember McCormack; Ward 14/Councilmember Cummins): Changing the Use, Height and Area Districts south of I-90 and north of Clark Avenue between West 41st Street and Fulton Avenue.

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2017/08042017/index.php

 

The parcel(s) that we were discussing were the ones hinted at earlier in this thread that are owned by the Cleveland Land Bank, North of 90, South of the Red-Line and east of 41st Street.  Although the subtext did seem like there was more interest in the area, I don't know any specifics about them.

It would be nice if these Agendas would name the Cleveland streets correctly.  There is no "Fulton Avenue" in Cleveland - only Road and Parkway. Over and over again I've seen a reporter write "Cedar Road" in Cleveland and "Cedar Avenue" in Cleveland Heights -  and the like.

I have it second hand from the OC Councilman that there is an 8-story hotel being planned along the south side of the red-line near W. 41st based upon the movement the Red Line Greenway project gets.

 

Does this item on this week's design review committee agenda have anything to do with the above?

 

ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS

Ordinance No. 870-17(Ward 3/Councilmember McCormack; Ward 14/Councilmember Cummins): Changing the Use, Height and Area Districts south of I-90 and north of Clark Avenue between West 41st Street and Fulton Avenue.

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2017/08042017/index.php

 

The parcel(s) that we were discussing were the ones hinted at earlier in this thread that are owned by the Cleveland Land Bank, North of 90, South of the Red-Line and east of 41st Street.  Although the subtext did seem like there was more interest in the area, I don't know any specifics about them.

 

I'm confused.  Specifically what parcel of land are we talking about?  According to Google's map, there are several parcels of land in/around W. 41st, W. 49th and Freas Ave in the general description.  Also how is the Red Line Greenway at all driving such a project.  It seems like an odd place for a new hotel, and if one is planned, doesn't it seem there should be more emphasis in RTA building a new in-fill Rapid Station along the Red Line rather than merely allowing hotel guests direct access to the Red Line Greenway...  This doesn't make sense and needs to be clarified.

^ I can't see your photo. Are you talking about the Snavely project? I'm pretty sure it will be getting another story. Currently it's at 4, but the renderings show 5 floors.

 

Hmm. Thought I found another option in the wake of being booted out of Photobucket, but I guess not.

 

Oh, that's great to know. I've always had it in my mind that it was only going to be 4. It will have an even better presence then in that case. They have certainly slowed down then. They had moved very quickly from floor to floor (at least on the eastern end) until now. They've been at this height for awhile now, at least comparatively so. 

I have it second hand from the OC Councilman that there is an 8-story hotel being planned along the south side of the red-line near W. 41st based upon the movement the Red Line Greenway project gets.

 

Does this item on this week's design review committee agenda have anything to do with the above?

 

ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS

Ordinance No. 870-17(Ward 3/Councilmember McCormack; Ward 14/Councilmember Cummins): Changing the Use, Height and Area Districts south of I-90 and north of Clark Avenue between West 41st Street and Fulton Avenue.

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2017/08042017/index.php

 

The parcel(s) that we were discussing were the ones hinted at earlier in this thread that are owned by the Cleveland Land Bank, North of 90, South of the Red-Line and east of 41st Street.  Although the subtext did seem like there was more interest in the area, I don't know any specifics about them.

 

I'm confused.  Specifically what parcel of land are we talking about?  According to Google's map, there are several parcels of land in/around W. 41st, W. 49th and Freas Ave in the general description.  Also how is the Red Line Greenway at all driving such a project.  It seems like an odd place for a new hotel, and if one is planned, doesn't it seem there should be more emphasis in RTA building a new in-fill Rapid Station along the Red Line rather than merely allowing hotel guests direct access to the Red Line Greenway...  This doesn't make sense and needs to be clarified.

 

More specifically, there aren't many hotels in and around OHC as it is (except downtown), so this will fill some demand there.  This location is adjacent to 90 and a quick 5-minute commute downtown, close to newer development towards the western edge of OHC on Lorain avenue.  The greenway is just the icing on the cake to make this hotel possible in the eyes of the developer (to target bike commuters I believe).  It's the CLB land on 38th and Freas.

^I get you, I just kind of find this location off the beaten path.  I still like the idea, explored with KJP, of a new Red Line Station near W. 41st Street (preferably btw W. 41st and 44th).. I think the location of the Cleveland Hostel, and the Hostel owner's plans for a new hotel up W. 25th nearer Detroit, to be more viable... But I won't snipe at any new hotel... the more rooms, the merrier. 

The parcel(s) that we were discussing were the ones hinted at earlier in this thread that are owned by the Cleveland Land Bank, North of 90, South of the Red-Line and east of 41st Street.  Although the subtext did seem like there was more interest in the area, I don't know any specifics about them.

 

But I'm wondering if this is more of a zoning protection, in response to the hotel or long-rumored redevelopment of the historic buildings on Fulton next to the Red Line, to keep taller buildings from popping up south of the highway? If not, what is the motivation of this proposed zoning change at this location?

Well we talked it up into existence on here. Over the course of today the 5th floor has appeared on the eastern end of Snavely's Detroit/25th, and they have finally started the second floor on the western end.

How Edge32 justifies its name (WITH PHOTO GALLERY)

August 08, 2017 UPDATED 4 HOURS AGO

STAN BULLARD   

REAL ESTATE

 

The six-story Edge32 is the most recent multifamily building to open on the apartment row that lower Detroit Avenue is becoming in Ohio City. At 3219 Detroit, the project by Willoughby-based Vintage Development Group draws attention for several reasons beyond its newness and the multimillion-dollar nature of such an investment.

 

..."This city has come a long way," Marous said. "Three years ago, the (prevailing apartment) rents would not have supported construction such as this. But we still have a ways to go to reach rents in other cities."

 

At Edge32, the suites cost from $1,245 for a one-bedroom, generally with 675 square feet of living space, to as much as $3,200 monthly for the largest two-bedroom two-bath suites, with 1,573 square feet of space.

 

With another 1,000 apartments going on the market in new and rehabilitated buildings this year in Cleveland, many worry about oversupply. Not Marous. He believes that if the city can add jobs the pace of multifamily construction could double in a few years. Vintage is already building another multifamily building at its Battery Park community in the Detroit-Shoreway neighborhood.

 

MORE:

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20170808/BLOGS14/170809808/how-edge32-justifies-its-name-with-photo-gallery

This isn't a new development by any means, as it's been open for 5 years or so, but Ohio City Cigars on Lorain is a fantastic cigar lounge and deserves a lot of love. The membership dues aren't too bad (the lounge is free 12-4 on Sundays), there are a number of fun networking events, and they have pretty solid smoke-eaters so you don't leave too smoky. One of the better lounges I've ever visited frankly, though the selection is a little limited.

 

 

Edge32 looks much better than Mariners Watch, in my humble opinion. Nice work Vintage.

Here are a couple pics taken last week of the "Clinton West" apartment building at 3007 Clinton Ave (http://www.clintonwestcle.com/).

Here are a couple pics taken last week of the "Clinton West" apartment building at 3007 Clinton Ave (http://www.clintonwestcle.com/).

 

Looks beautiful. I think the brick respects the character of the neighborhood while contributing a new, modern look.

Here are a couple pics taken last week of the "Clinton West" apartment building at 3007 Clinton Ave (http://www.clintonwestcle.com/).

 

Looks beautiful. I think the brick respects the character of the neighborhood while contributing a new, modern look.

 

Plus it's very reminiscent of the basic brick apartment blocks that are all over Cleveland and the inner-ring suburbs.

It's that beautiful Victorian next door that looks "funny," now....

That building really went up fast.  It is kind of an update on the typical Cleveland walk-up apts that were built all over town in the early 20th century.

Here are a couple pics taken last week of the "Clinton West" apartment building at 3007 Clinton Ave (http://www.clintonwestcle.com/).

 

Why does that look so familiar?

 

Here are a couple pics taken last week of the "Clinton West" apartment building at 3007 Clinton Ave (http://www.clintonwestcle.com/).

 

Why does that look so familiar?

 

There's some veracity to this, but Edge 32 is not of this basic design - at least not the major highrise right on Detroit.  If one doesn't want this sort of building, there are all sorts of older buildings one can consider, including all the hundreds of older retrofitted buildings.  This can be said of all periods of the past century - e.g. apartment houses of the early '60s tend to look similar, also from the early '40s, the late '20s, etc.

 

Lyndhurst Native Plans Rock Climbing Gym for Ohio City Masonic Arts Center Building

https://m.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2017/08/04/lyndhurst-native-plans-rock-climbing-gym-for-ohio-city-masonic-arts-center-building

Here are a couple pics taken last week of the "Clinton West" apartment building at 3007 Clinton Ave (http://www.clintonwestcle.com/).

 

Why does that look so familiar?

 

There's some veracity to this, but Edge 32 is not of this basic design - at least not the major highrise right on Detroit.  If one doesn't want this sort of building, there are all sorts of older buildings one can consider, including all the hundreds of older retrofitted buildings.  This can be said of all periods of the past century - e.g. apartment houses of the early '60s tend to look similar, also from the early '40s, the late '20s, etc.

 

 

I disagree, I think Edge 32 looks exactly like this sort of design.  And while it's true that we don't have to live in them if we don't want to, we still have to look at these turds when we go about our lives in these neighborhoods.  they're the urban, multifamily equivalent of a McMansion.

^Totally correct. The Tremont project at Fairfield and W11th, the Langston and Breakwater Bluffs are also of this ilk.

Eh, I don't really have a problem with the design - and I'm usually pretty critical of bad architecture. The design is kinda basic and doesn't really stand out, but I also don't think every building needs to be something that stands out. I think this building will age much better than some of the other more "unique" new residential structures in this city. It does a good job of fitting in with its surroundings, which, on this street, I think is more important than standing out.

Here are a couple pics taken last week of the "Clinton West" apartment building at 3007 Clinton Ave (http://www.clintonwestcle.com/).

 

Why does that look so familiar?

 

There's some veracity to this, but Edge 32 is not of this basic design - at least not the major highrise right on Detroit.  If one doesn't want this sort of building, there are all sorts of older buildings one can consider, including all the hundreds of older retrofitted buildings.  This can be said of all periods of the past century - e.g. apartment houses of the early '60s tend to look similar, also from the early '40s, the late '20s, etc.

 

 

I disagree, I think Edge 32 looks exactly like this sort of design.  And while it's true that we don't have to live in them if we don't want to, we still have to look at these turds when we go about our lives in these neighborhoods.  they're the urban, multifamily equivalent of a McMansion.

 

To that point. So many people I talk to absolutely HATE the new construction on Jay and West 30th; I love it, though.

Here are a couple pics taken last week of the "Clinton West" apartment building at 3007 Clinton Ave (http://www.clintonwestcle.com/).

 

Why does that look so familiar?

 

There's some veracity to this, but Edge 32 is not of this basic design - at least not the major highrise right on Detroit.  If one doesn't want this sort of building, there are all sorts of older buildings one can consider, including all the hundreds of older retrofitted buildings.  This can be said of all periods of the past century - e.g. apartment houses of the early '60s tend to look similar, also from the early '40s, the late '20s, etc.

 

 

I disagree, I think Edge 32 looks exactly like this sort of design.  And while it's true that we don't have to live in them if we don't want to, we still have to look at these turds when we go about our lives in these neighborhoods.  they're the urban, multifamily equivalent of a McMansion.

 

To that point. So many people I talk to absolutely HATE the new construction on Jay and West 30th; I love it, though.

Is that the weird house with the sort of Victorian (?) detailing?  For the life of me, I cannot figure out what is going on with that house.  Were they trying to design a traditional home and couldn't quite figure it out?  Were they trying for some sort of interpretation of a traditional home and it didn't come off?  Was the client asking for and insisting on weird detailing (it happens)?  It is worth noting that the project does not make an appearance on the architect's website so I suspect that they aren't thrilled with the result. 

Here are a couple pics taken last week of the "Clinton West" apartment building at 3007 Clinton Ave (http://www.clintonwestcle.com/).

 

Why does that look so familiar?

 

There's some veracity to this, but Edge 32 is not of this basic design - at least not the major highrise right on Detroit.  If one doesn't want this sort of building, there are all sorts of older buildings one can consider, including all the hundreds of older retrofitted buildings.  This can be said of all periods of the past century - e.g. apartment houses of the early '60s tend to look similar, also from the early '40s, the late '20s, etc.

 

 

I disagree, I think Edge 32 looks exactly like this sort of design.  And while it's true that we don't have to live in them if we don't want to, we still have to look at these turds when we go about our lives in these neighborhoods.  they're the urban, multifamily equivalent of a McMansion.

 

To that point. So many people I talk to absolutely HATE the new construction on Jay and West 30th; I love it, though.

Is that the weird house with the sort of Victorian (?) detailing?  For the life of me, I cannot figure out what is going on with that house.  Were they trying to design a traditional home and couldn't quite figure it out?  Were they trying for some sort of interpretation of a traditional home and it didn't come off?  Was the client asking for and insisting on weird detailing (it happens)?  It is worth noting that the project does not make an appearance on the architect's website so I suspect that they aren't thrilled with the result.

 

I always figured they just tried to mimick the house across the street but then, whoops, that didn't work out as planned. Overall I don't really mind the place. The actual scale of the structure is more or less in line with the neighborhood vernacular.

Now that I've got my image hosting worked out, here are some updated photos of Snavely's project. Really fills it in and creates a nice little canyon being right flush with the sidewalk on Detroit.

 

 

 

Several comments re above:

a) I don't see the similarities between Edge 32 and those photos.  Yes, the low section along West 32 Street is something like those, but the highrise on Detroit is much more angular.  Odd angles, in contrast to the boxy structures in the photos. I'm wondering if the streetscape in front of Edge 32 will be enhanced; thus far it is nothing but a sidewalk - no evidence of lightpoles coming nor trees or planters.  Dull.  These details are usually in place by the time a rental office is in business.

b) The newish house at Jay Avenue and West 30th resembles many post-2000 houses in the Chautauqua Institution - simplified Victorian vocabulary combined with new, Home Depot=style structural features.  I don't particularly go for this, but it's the same sort of concept ashave many of the recently constructed fill-in houses in Cleveland - onlya luxury version.

c) I wrote recently asking where the new apartments along Vine Court behind Clinton West could go, as I didn't see good space for them, and brush and trees towards Franklin Boulevard hadn't been cleared.  It now seems evident the complex will actually go immediately behind Clinton West - on the NORTH  side of Vine Court.  And yes, construction has indeed already begun, with excavation.

d) Please refresh my memory: There are two large, vacated sites between Detroit Avenue and the Shoreway: one north of West 38th Street and one in the West 50s.  I believe the high school had been on the vacated slope near West 38th, and an industrial building had been in the West 50s, to the south of those colorful new townhouses - correct?  Where is the new high school going to go?  And what is planned for the other site?

^The school (Max Hayes) was on the block just south of the colorful townhouses, between W45th and W49th.  Not sure which is the second site you are referring to.

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