December 5, 20177 yr Most of the changes appear to be on the south side of the buildings... http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2017/12072017/index.php Case 17-064 Ohio City Historic District Seymour and Forest City Bank Buildings 2501-2529 Detroit Avenue Renovation Ward 3 McCormack Peter Snavely Snavely Group Gary Ogrocki Dimit Architects "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 5, 20177 yr Another apartment development in Ohio City, this one at Lorain and W. 41st. I like the somewhat-classic design and think it'll fit in well on the street. Though if this goes anything like the proposed apartments at W. 44th, they'll come back a month from now looking like this mess. http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2017/12072017/index.php I love that "mess"! It's more of the modern architecture Cleveland needs. Lots of buildings with similar designs going up here in LA and, by and large, they look great.
December 5, 20177 yr Another apartment development in Ohio City, this one at Lorain and W. 41st. I like the somewhat-classic design and think it'll fit in well on the street. Though if this goes anything like the proposed apartments at W. 44th, they'll come back a month from now looking like this mess. http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2017/12072017/index.php I love that "mess"! It's more of the modern architecture Cleveland needs. Lots of buildings with similar designs going up here in LA and, by and large, they look great. Any of you guys see the architectural renderings in one of the storefronts by Platform Brewing? They are nothing official, but I really dig the design. I'll try and find a pic of them somewhere.....
December 6, 20177 yr Love the Snavely remodel plans - especially the solar panel covered parking. If we have to have parking lots, that's the way they should be done. Not a fan of the colored accent lighting though. I feel like that is getting overdone now in the city. It seems like every historic building now either has or is getting the same lighting. Even the top of the standard building now has it. The special-ness has been taken away and has now become ordinary.
December 7, 20177 yr This section of Detroit Avenue is popping. This brick building (Schaefer Printing) is coming along in its apartment conversion. The vacant lot in the foreground (with the horse trailer) is the proposed site of the Church and State apartment buildings. Getting some decent density along this stretch of Detroit Avenue between West 25th-28th... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 8, 20177 yr ^ I'm pretty sure the Schaefer building finished up the conversion awhile ago. I remember walking by Labor Day night and you could tell people were already living there.
December 10, 20177 yr $5 million doesn't sound like a lot for a quality, historic restoration. Then again, it is Montlack... Ohio City office building to be restored to its apartment roots http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20171210/news/145121/ohio-city-office-building-be-restored-its-apartment-roots "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 10, 20177 yr $5 million doesn't sound like a lot for a quality, historic restoration. Then again, it is Montlack... Ohio City office building to be restored to its apartment roots http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20171210/news/145121/ohio-city-office-building-be-restored-its-apartment-roots Montlack said his father, Malcolm Montlack, had advocated for property in Ohio City for years because he felt the market there was improving. Woooo, great call Nostradamus!
December 11, 20177 yr Glad to finally see something happening with that building. It really is a jewel.
December 11, 20177 yr $5 million doesn't sound like a lot for a quality, historic restoration. Then again, it is Montlack... Ohio City office building to be restored to its apartment roots http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20171210/news/145121/ohio-city-office-building-be-restored-its-apartment-roots I don't know, it really isn't that large of a building. I didn't see a total sf in the article.
December 11, 20177 yr Based on this page about the Heyse Building (Mark Fremont Architects), it looks like the building is a little over 24,000 square feet total. I'm not sure if the posted plans on that site are still accurate (or if this architect is, in fact, working on the project), but it does outline 31 units. http://www.fremontassoc.com/the-heyse-building/mv3n5xp5uwre1w8o2j5zywte6ntzg1
December 11, 20177 yr That building is a block away from me. I find it so beautiful. Additionally, it looks like there are some sizable terraces on the top floors. I believe they'd have close to an unimpeded view of the skyline.
December 12, 20177 yr $208/sq ft. How does that compare to recent historic renovations? You would have to compare it to something of the same size obviously. The larger projects downtown can help thin the numbers. That seems like a good price to me. Depends how much they are buttoning up on the outside of course.
December 14, 20177 yr Here's an update on Project 29...It was included in the article about the CAC receiving a county loan too. Project 29 Partners, LLC: $2 million to develop and construct the Church & State project at the intersection of West 29th Street and Detroit Avenue in Ohio City. The development will consist of 2 mixed-use buildings featuring 158 residential units, with 20,000 square feet of ground-floor retail, parking, bike-storage space, and public space. http://www.cleveland.com/cuyahoga-county/index.ssf/2017/12/cleveland_athletic_club_renovation_and_two_other_projects_slated_to_receive_loans_from_cuyahoga_county.html#incart_river_home
December 24, 20177 yr Does anyone know what’s coming to 3246 Lorain, the Fulton Bakery Building? It was the worst-looking building of that stretch of Lorain. New windows and doors and vinyl siding are being installed. I don’t care for vinyl siding, and if they were to repair and replace the wood siding and paint it an attractive color scheme (perhaps colorful Victorian) it could have become become a knockout for the district. But I’m really glad the building is save aluminum sidein had been removed.
December 27, 20177 yr Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/bookhousebrewing/ Former Portside CLE brewer Vaughn Stewart aims to find new life with Bookhouse Brewing venture https://neocraftbrewerynews.com/2017/12/26/former-portside-cle-brewer-vaughn-stewart-aims-to-find-new-life-with-bookhouse-brewing-venture/
December 28, 20177 yr Good to hear. I've been wondering when someone was going to move into those spaces. Does anyone know what ever happened to the Italian place that was supposed to open there? I don't recall the name, but it was going to be their second location. I think they're located in North Olmstead or there abouts.
December 30, 20177 yr Good. Now I’d like to see some progress with the plans for the nearby (boutique?) hotel
December 30, 20177 yr ^where would a hotel be? And who is 'hosting' the bidding? The city? a developer?
December 30, 20177 yr ^ This is for the proposed Hulett Hotel: http://realestate.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2017/04/cleveland_hostel_owner_plans_b.html Board of Zoning Appeals AUGUST 28, 2017 9:30 Calendar No. 17-233: 1468 West 25 Street Ward 3 Kerry McCormack 14 Notices Buray LLC, owner, proposes to erect an 11,000 square foot addition and establish use as a hotel with 24 guestrooms, one dwelling unit and 1,250 square foot bar in a D3 Local Retail Business District and a Pedestrian Retail Overlay District. The owner appeals for relief from the strict application of 355.04(b) which states that in a “D” area district the maximum gross floor area cannot exceed the lot area square footage. In this case a gross floor area equal to 13,840 square feet is permitted and the appellant is proposing 20,000 square feet. (Filed August 1, 2017) http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/agenda/2017/crr08-28-2017.pdf
December 30, 20177 yr very cool. from the planning document, "establish use as a hotel with 24 guestrooms, one dwelling unit and a 1,250 square foot bar". Are dwelling units common in hotels? would the management/maintenance person live there so he/she is always on site?
January 2, 20187 yr very cool. from the planning document, "establish use as a hotel with 24 guestrooms, one dwelling unit and a 1,250 square foot bar". Are dwelling units common in hotels? would the management/maintenance person live there so he/she is always on site? It is pretty common for Boutique hotels where the revenue levels don't support true 24 hour staffing to have the owner or manager live on premises to assist for any off-hour needs.
January 4, 20187 yr Movement! This project really excites me. Really builds on what The Quarter has done for creating density in Hingetown... MANDATORY REFERRALS Ordinance No. xxx-(Ward 3/Councilmember McCormack): Authorizing the Director of Economic Development to acquire and re-convey certain parcels from/to Project 29 Partners LLC, or its designee, in order to enter into the chain-of-title prior to the introduction of a TIF. http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2018/01052018/index.php "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 4, 20187 yr ^ Does that mean Cleveland has to own a part of the property (however briefly) for it to qualify for TIF? Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
January 4, 20187 yr Movement! This project really excites me. Really builds on what The Quarter has done for creating density in Hingetown... MANDATORY REFERRALS Ordinance No. xxx-(Ward 3/Councilmember McCormack): Authorizing the Director of Economic Development to acquire and re-convey certain parcels from/to Project 29 Partners LLC, or its designee, in order to enter into the chain-of-title prior to the introduction of a TIF. http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2018/01052018/index.php Agreed. Quarter has already VASTLY improved the image of that intersection and truly welcomes visitors to Ohio City as a portal to Detroit Shoreway as they cross the bridge. Adding more density will be great. I just wish CMSD didn't refuse to sell the old Max Hayes site, that could've really been a gem.
January 4, 20187 yr ^ Does that mean Cleveland has to own a part of the property (however briefly) for it to qualify for TIF? Yes.
January 4, 20187 yr I just wish CMSD didn't refuse to sell the old Max Hayes site, that could've really been a gem. Is that for certain that CMSD won't? I thought the last news was that CMSD was considering dividing the land and putting the eastern portion out to bid? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 4, 20187 yr I remember people speculating on here that they would like to see that happen. I don't remember actual news of that being a possibility.
January 4, 20187 yr I remember there was a news article about developers pushing the CMSD and the city for that. I think that was the last I'd heard about it. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 4, 20187 yr Is that for certain that CMSD won't? I thought the last news was that CMSD was considering dividing the land and putting the eastern portion out to bid? I have direct knowledge of a developer who was willing to offer >$18 million for the parcel in its entirety. CMSD wasn't entertaining the offer. At all. That was probably about a year ago, if things have changed, I am unaware of it.
January 4, 20187 yr Crazy. I wonder if the developer tried to put $ome heat on the mayor and ask him to, in turn, put heat on the CMSD board. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 4, 20187 yr Crazy. I wonder if the developer tried to put $ome heat on the mayor and ask him to, in turn, put heat on the CMSD board. At a certain point I think the frustration / opportunity cost becomes an indicator of how things will be moving forward and turns developers off. If you read Cleveland Scene, you'd think Cleveland is run by developers who constantly pay off politicians and get what they want at a drop of a hat; but one of the biggest gripes I consistently hear from developers has to do with the hoops needed to jump through in Cleveland. A friend of mine told me his office has an expression, "3 months in Columbus, 3 years in Cleveland."
January 4, 20187 yr Crazy. I wonder if the developer tried to put $ome heat on the mayor and ask him to, in turn, put heat on the CMSD board. At a certain point I think the frustration / opportunity cost becomes an indicator of how things will be moving forward and turns developers off. If you read Cleveland Scene, you'd think Cleveland is run by developers who constantly pay off politicians and get what they want at a drop of a hat; but one of the biggest gripes I consistently hear from developers has to do with the hoops needed to jump through in Cleveland. A friend of mine told me his office has an expression, "3 months in Columbus, 3 years in Cleveland." I've heard the same. And to me, this is just insane that a cash-strapped school district wouldn't entertain such an offer. There is acres of vacant land in this city to build schools on....
January 4, 20187 yr I'm looking for the "dislike" button... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 4, 20187 yr It would be easier for me to believe these alleged stories if somebody would actually identify the developer and give some background. There are blocks of decrepit building on Detroit from 25th to Gordon Square and I don't see a land rush of offers for these buildings by these "developers".
January 4, 20187 yr It would be easier for me to believe these alleged stories if somebody would actually identify the developer and give some background. There are blocks of decrepit building on Detroit from 25th to Gordon Square and I don't see a land rush of offers for these buildings by these "developers". Yeah, definitely wouldn't be comfortable giving that name. But they have condos and townhomes planned or currently under construction in Lakewood, Duck Island, and Tremont.
January 4, 20187 yr It would be easier for me to believe these alleged stories if somebody would actually identify the developer and give some background. There are blocks of decrepit building on Detroit from 25th to Gordon Square and I don't see a land rush of offers for these buildings by these "developers". A vacant piece of land is much better for a developer. A clean slate to develop as they please. but anyway, there is a lot of development happening on that stretch of Detroit Ave.
January 4, 20187 yr It would be easier for me to believe these alleged stories if somebody would actually identify the developer and give some background. There are blocks of decrepit building on Detroit from 25th to Gordon Square and I don't see a land rush of offers for these buildings by these "developers". A vacant piece of land is much better for a developer. A clean slate to develop as they please. but anyway, there is a lot of development happening on that stretch of Detroit Ave. It's also multiple adjacent parcels all owned by the same entity
January 4, 20187 yr Yeah, definitely wouldn't be comfortable giving that name. But they have condos and townhomes planned or currently under construction in Lakewood, Duck Island, and Tremont. Geez, that's about as subtle as throwing a Brick through a Man's window.... Htsguy, I covered Cleveland City Hall for eight years for Sun Newspapers. These stories are consistent with everything I saw and reported on while on that beat. The buildings you see are decrepit because building on clean/green land in the city is convoluted enough. Now add in the extra cost associated with a property having an old building on it in an historic district... You have to get the blessing of the Landmarks Commission. There's the unraveling of liens, demolishing an existing structure(s), cleaning of pollutants, getting all of the permits through lazy-ass city departments that first require you to fill out a phone-book-thick ream of documents, having to negotiate with the CDC's and getting the blessing of block clubs and city councilmember(s) if a BZA waiver is needed. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 4, 20187 yr Lol I'm not going to be the one to say it. Also, from what I heard, the initial offers to buy were actually made when the old Max Hayes was still standing. This has more to do with the unified ownership than anything.
January 4, 20187 yr That makes me scared for nuCLEus' mega-TIF. I'll bet Stark is going nuts, screaming "That's a friggin' decimal point, not a period in between sentences!" "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 7, 20187 yr I know this is probably technically Duck island... but does anyone know what the 30-40 foot iron beams are being erected for on Columbus, just north of Forest City Brewing?
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