March 1, 20187 yr Chad does have some huge plans for Detroit Ave. I would look for a certain dealership changing hands soon, along with the SW corner parcel of Detroit and 45th. Thanks for the tip. I checked the ex-BP gas station at the SW corner of Detroit and West 45th and it turns out the two properties there had already sold in November to a company named "45 Detroit LLC." I checked the company name and the only contact name listed is a Beachwood attorney named Jordan Berns. I found a 2014 news article which referred to Berns as the attorney for Kertes Enterprises, a business owned by Chad and Randy Kertesz. So there ya go. As for A1 Luxury Cars on Detroit at West 49th, I see that it was purchased on Jan. 25, 2018 by 4910 Detroit LLC. The principals of that company are Joseph and Pierre Chelala. Interestingly, the company that owned the two parcels at the SW corner of Detroit and 45 before 45 Detroit LLC was Chelala Investments Ltd. So there's that. But this doesn't include all of the dealership properties. The western half of the dealership is owned by Ashley Pickles LLC (a Strongsville-based company formed seven years ago) and John & Popie Papouras (Trustee). I hope that this entire dealership goes away and is replaced by something more attractive very soon. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 1, 20187 yr ^ A1 wasn't really sold in Jan, it was just transferred from one LLC to another. Same owners. I can state with certainty that the Chelala's are in negotiations with a buyer for the entire damn lot. I think forum members will happy with the ultimate plans the potential buyer has for these awful lots. Refer back to what was said in the Crain's article I posted regarding the comparisons between Det Ave to Chagrin Blvd.
March 1, 20187 yr I wonder what prices have to get to in order for all the light industrial businesses along detroit to sell and move. Does anybody have an update on the projects that were supposed to go in between W 38th and Cle Bagel Co? My guess is that prices would need to be high. For most, its not just a matter of packing up the desks and computers and moving them somewhere else. They probably have lots of heavy equipment that would need to be dissassembled and re-assembled and it could take quite a bit of time and business interruption. Good guess. http://www.loopnet.com/for-sale/?bb=nu21kogr0Iyy2x9F
March 2, 20187 yr Refer back to what was said in the Crain's article I posted regarding the comparisons between Det Ave to Chagrin Blvd. So, higher end shopping and a Trader Joe's? I'll take it!
March 2, 20187 yr Refer back to what was said in the Crain's article I posted regarding the comparisons between Det Ave to Chagrin Blvd. So, higher end shopping and a Trader Joe's? I'll take it! Heck, I'd settle for just a Trader Joe's. 30 minutes in each direction for me is just too much.
March 2, 20187 yr *BUMP* I apologize for my ignorance, but to what section of Chagrin Ave is Chad referring to?
March 2, 20187 yr *BUMP* I apologize for my ignorance, but to what section of Chagrin Ave is Chad referring to? I assume Eton?
March 2, 20187 yr The vote to approve the TIF for Project 29 is slated for Monday: https://cityofcleveland.legistar.com/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=3318097&GUID=65855BF3-25E5-4922-9065-DFBFE0C56248&Options=&Search=
March 2, 20187 yr The tallest of the two buildings will be 11 floors, including two levels of parking above the ground-floor retail and below the apartments. The second building looks to be six floors but with no mid-building parking. There will be more parking below both structures. It is a substantial complex. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 5, 20187 yr Disappointing, especially after some early rumors had grocery store chains looking into the location.
March 5, 20187 yr I, for one am the opposite of "meh" about this location. We seem to be gung-ho on health and well-being for inner-city residents, pushing sustainable food sources, attempting to end food deserts, and pushing for trails and bike lanes. Nonetheless, the moment a gym franchise that will cost a local resident $10/month it becomes somehow a negative. I'd posit that its merely the fact that its a national chain that's turning so many people off. A major part of holistic health is fitness - I cannot see how providing an affordable gym option to local residents is a bad thing.
March 5, 20187 yr ^ My "meh" remark was in reference to the design, not the use of space...An affordable gym is huge get for near westsiders.
March 5, 20187 yr ^^ Agreed! The area needs this! $10 a month for a very nice gym will help all residents......Planet Fitness are all well maintained and secure.
March 5, 20187 yr Are there any multistory PF's anywhere? Because a 3 story fitness center would be waaaay better here...
March 6, 20187 yr Are there any multistory PF's anywhere? Because a 3 story fitness center would be waaaay better here... A two story flagship one will be under construction soon in South Euclid, at Cedar Center.
March 6, 20187 yr Board of Zoning Appeals March 12, 2018 9:30 Calendar No. 18-46: 3829 Lorain Ave. Ward 3 Kerry McCormack 20 Notices Triban Investments, LLC., owner, and Brent Zimmerman prospective purchaser propose to construct a mixed use building consisting of retail stores and 33 townhouse units in a C3 Local Retail Business District and a Pedestrian Retail Overlay District. The owner appeals for relief from the strict application of Section 337.031(g) which states that a 20’ Rear yard is required where 13.93 feet are proposed.(Filed February 15, 2018) This is proposed for the vacant lot at left, just past Ohio City BBQ, and considering the number of townhome units proposed, perhaps it could expand over to West 41st.... 3829 Lorain Ave by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr 3829 Lorain Ave-satellite by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 6, 20187 yr Board of Zoning Appeals March 12, 2018 9:30 Calendar No. 18-46: 3829 Lorain Ave. Ward 3 Kerry McCormack 20 Notices Triban Investments, LLC., owner, and Brent Zimmerman prospective purchaser propose to construct a mixed use building consisting of retail stores and 33 townhouse units in a C3 Local Retail Business District and a Pedestrian Retail Overlay District. The owner appeals for relief from the strict application of Section 337.031(g) which states that a 20’ Rear yard is required where 13.93 feet are proposed.(Filed February 15, 2018) This is proposed for the vacant lot at left, just past Ohio City BBQ, and considering the number of townhome units proposed, perhaps it could expand over to West 41st.... They have the wrong address. It should be 3929 Lorain, not 3829 Lorain. This development will go on the parking lot for the old funeral home. The “vacant” lot just west of OC BBQ is NOT part of the project.
March 6, 20187 yr County records show that parcel #007-05-001 (and multiple other parcels), used as a funeral home and owned by TRIBAN INVESTMENT, LLC has an address of 3829 Lorain Ave. It appears this parcel was purchased last year along with five other adjoining parcels but I can't find them on the parcel map. Perhaps they were combined? And Zimmerman is no longer a prospective purchaser. County records show that his company, BZSAM II LLC, bought the parking lot parcel from Triban on March 2 for $600,000. Triban still owns the parcel with the funeral parlor building. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 6, 20187 yr County records show that parcel #007-05-001 (and multiple other parcels), used as a funeral home and owned by TRIBAN INVESTMENT, LLC has an address of 3829 Lorain Ave. It appears this parcel was purchased last year along with five other adjoining parcels but I can't find them on the parcel map. Perhaps they were combined? And Zimmerman is no longer a prospective purchaser. County records show that his company, BZSAM II LLC, bought the parking lot parcel from Triban on March 2 for $600,000. Triban still owns the parcel with the funeral parlor building. I guess you could say people are really ... dying ... to develop that parcel
March 6, 20187 yr County records show that parcel #007-05-001 (and multiple other parcels), used as a funeral home and owned by TRIBAN INVESTMENT, LLC has an address of 3829 Lorain Ave. It appears this parcel was purchased last year along with five other adjoining parcels but I can't find them on the parcel map. Perhaps they were combined? And Zimmerman is no longer a prospective purchaser. County records show that his company, BZSAM II LLC, bought the parking lot parcel from Triban on March 2 for $600,000. Triban still owns the parcel with the funeral parlor building. I guess you could say people are really ... dying ... to develop that parcel He's here all week folks. Tip your waitress.
March 6, 20187 yr Oy. Don't quit your day job. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 7, 20187 yr Can anyone tell me why these two spots have remained vacant in the midst of massive development in the area? It has always confused me. https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4855419,-81.7044914,3a,75y,212.33h,92.29t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sSCMUS5SErrt1nwQh3YbL8w!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DSCMUS5SErrt1nwQh3YbL8w%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D140.87703%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656
March 7, 20187 yr Can anyone tell me why these two spots have remained vacant in the midst of massive development in the area? It has always confused me. https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4855419,-81.7044914,3a,75y,212.33h,92.29t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sSCMUS5SErrt1nwQh3YbL8w!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DSCMUS5SErrt1nwQh3YbL8w%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D140.87703%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656 the one to the left was occupied until 2015-16; it was Ram Electronics, a small mom/pop business of electronics, circuitry, etc; it had been there for years and the owner was a packrat for better or worse. You can still even see it say 'ram' above the window.... Those 2 are the last unoccupied 1st floor storefronts on either side of 25th between lorain and jay, right?!
March 7, 20187 yr ^I believe the Hyde Building (the three-story on the left?) was ok-ed by the Landmarks Commission for a total rehab last year, although it hasn't happened yet. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
March 8, 20187 yr For those not in the area, I don't think its been mentioned on here (and I have been terrible with taking pictures since the weather got cold), but the facade on Quarter is well underway. I'd say about half of the side facing the Shoreway has been bricked over.
March 8, 20187 yr Those 2 are the last unoccupied 1st floor storefronts on either side of 25th between lorain and jay, right?! The US Bank branch at the corner of Market Ave. closed in January. And the former Orale space between Bridge and Jay is currently empty, but an outpost of Cleveland Heights' Rib Cage Smokehouse was just announced as moving in: http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2018/03/the_rib_cage_smokehouse_and_ba.html
March 8, 20187 yr The building housing the former RAM electric store was purchased by the developer who owns other residential buildings on the street. Due to noise complaints he gets from his tenants he doesn’t want another bar or restaurant to go in the space so it was a defensive move in that regards. If an actual retail operator comes forward I’m sure it will be redone and occupied quickly.
March 8, 20187 yr The building housing the former RAM electric store was purchased by the developer who owns other residential buildings on the street. Due to noise complaints he gets from his tenants he doesn’t want another bar or restaurant to go in the space so it was a defensive move in that regards. If an actual retail operator comes forward I’m sure it will be redone and occupied quickly. Did Doug buy it?
March 11, 20187 yr Cleveland, Cuyahoga County To Help Finance Ohio City Apartments The plan is to build two apartment buildings (Project 29/Church and State Mixed-use Project) on what’s now a pair of parking lots between West 28th and West 29th streets along Detroit Avenue. There are plans for a pharmacy, hardware store or other retail on the ground level. The buildings will house about 160 units total in what’s been dubbed the city’s Hingetown area. A 25-year, $2 million loan for the project has been introduced in county council. The economic development and planning committee is discussing the proposal on Monday. Cleveland City Council this week is taking the first steps in offering a 30-year tax increment financing proposal. The so-called TIF would exempt improvements to the real estate from non-school property taxes. Council's finance committee on Monday will discuss a land transfer ordinance that precedes the awarding of a TIF. http://www.ideastream.org/news/cleveland-cuyahoga-county-to-help-finance-ohio-city-apartments https://ideastream-production.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/2018/3/05/R2018-0048.pdf
March 11, 20187 yr A 25-year, $2 million loan for the project has been introduced in county council. The economic development and planning committee is discussing the proposal on Monday. A $2 million TIF on a $56 million project. Is this saying that we are coming close to the day when a TIF won't be needed for development in this part of town? Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
March 11, 20187 yr A $2 million TIF on a $56 million project. Is this saying that we are coming close to the day when a TIF won't be needed for development in this part of town? Unless I'm misunderstanding, the TIF and loan are two separate pieces of financing.
March 11, 20187 yr A $2 million TIF on a $56 million project. Is this saying that we are coming close to the day when a TIF won't be needed for development in this part of town? Unless I'm misunderstanding, the TIF and loan are two separate pieces of financing. That is correct. The TIF is handled by the city and the loan is coming from the county.
March 11, 20187 yr Love the infill I’d very much like to see more renderings. While I like the look of most of it the retail portion looks pretty sterile. Also getting a slight Millennial Tower vibe from the parking section.
March 12, 20187 yr A 25-year, $2 million loan for the project has been introduced in county council. The economic development and planning committee is discussing the proposal on Monday. A $2 million TIF on a $56 million project. Is this saying that we are coming close to the day when a TIF won't be needed for development in this part of town? The TIF is for $ 4+ million from the CITY and $ 2 million LOAN FROM the COUNTY with personal guaranteed from the developers and a lein behind the $ 43 million loan from HUD.
March 12, 20187 yr Love the infill I’d very much like to see more renderings. While I like the look of most of it the retail portion looks pretty sterile. Also getting a slight Millennial Tower vibe from the parking section. Some better renders at the LDA website. http://www.ldaarchitecture.com/church--state
March 12, 20187 yr Whew! That’s a relief. Now I really like this project...and it looks great. That HUD is the primary lender caused concern.
March 12, 20187 yr I’m confused...why is hud the primary lender? Is there a program that is funding this?
March 12, 20187 yr I believe HUD guarantees the mortgage but doesn’t supply the capital. The capital comes from a traditional lender. https://www.hud.gov/program_offices/housing/mfh/progdesc/rentcoophsg221d3n4
March 17, 20187 yr Bookhouse Brewing, lined up for the West 25th Street Lofts in Ohio City, is going to be filled with bookshelves - and will have no televisions. (Discussed at @CLEcityplanning this morning.) https://t.co/Q4yGMHeik9 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
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