June 27, 20186 yr Maybe if a large scale development came along next to Kan Zaman they could simply move the entry to be off Franklin. Parking could be moved to the west, freeing West 25th of surface lots.
June 28, 20186 yr They seem to do pretty good business at their ugly featureless setback building. It may be ugly on the outside, but you should go inside. It is a visual cultural experience. How do we preserve important cultural assets while developing - i.e., not "gentrify". Maintaining strong, existing businesses important, but it sits on an extremely important piece of land that has strong development potential. Do we integrate their business into a new structure, and would they be willing to do so or potentially pay high rents? Keep their building and develop around it? Will the owners sell out when the time comes and impact would that have? Questions that I ask as a very fresh urban planner. I would hope that future developments along this strip of W. 25th will be able to make room for Kan Zaman to stay in the neighborhood. It's a unique place with a loyal ethnic customer base, and I'd be pretty sad to see it replaced with a "hip" (white) place similar to Townhall. Since Kan Zaman owns the land, perhaps a developer could reach a deal with them that would give them a good deal on rent in a new space in exchange for buying the current Kan Zaman property for future development. Hopefully a ''hip'' hip-hop club can get back into the W 25th Street mix as well. Does Touch not have hip-hop night anymore? It would be nice to get something more accessible though. The space in the basement always had me worried.
June 28, 20186 yr It's quite busy, well into the night. It just doesn't have a dance club. Unfortunately, because of of the community's experience with Moda any dance club that tries to locate there is going to have an uphill battle. I was in high school when Moda was there. What exactly was so bad about it? I honestly have no knowledge of it other than the fact that it existed.
June 28, 20186 yr ^Believe it or not, there's an old UO thread all about Moda: https://www.urbanohio.com/forum/index.php?topic=9481.0
June 28, 20186 yr ^It was cool to read the thread from 2006 and see people talking about fear of being out late in Ohio City for safety reasons. I'm really proud of how that neighborhood and reputation has changed in just a touch over a decade.
June 28, 20186 yr It's quite busy, well into the night. It just doesn't have a dance club. Unfortunately, because of of the community's experience with Moda any dance club that tries to locate there is going to have an uphill battle. I was in high school when Moda was there. What exactly was so bad about it? I honestly have no knowledge of it other than the fact that it existed. When the club let out there was a lot of disruption to the neighborhood and I think there may have been a few violent incidents in the neighborhood caused by patrons of the club. I think they ended up getting shut down due to money laundering.
June 28, 20186 yr I actually first moved to this neighborhood when they were shutting down. I heard from other residents that stabbings were rather common around Moda during it's later years of existence. A lot of the long time residents still live here and will be weary of anything that remotely sounds close to Moda. Heck, I remember before TownHall opened people were concerned about the clientele it would bring (referencing West 6th club people) I personally have no strong opinion either way.
June 28, 20186 yr The powers that be are very reluctant to have any more bars along W25th. There is concern that it will turn into W 6th street and then fall into chaos and vacancy. Even when townhall was proposing to move in, there was a fair amount of pushback on that project. Many of the current residents want it to be a neighborhood, not a bar district.
June 28, 20186 yr When the club let out there was a lot of disruption to the neighborhood and I think there may have been a few violent incidents in the neighborhood caused by patrons of the club. I think they ended up getting shut down due to money laundering. That's correct. There were fights in front of the bar. Loud, thumping music coming from cars sitting on West 25th. Big crowds on the street after the club closed for the night. And there was drug arrests involved with the place. Unfortunately I had the displeasure of covering the last days of Moda for Sun back then. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 28, 20186 yr The powers that be are very reluctant to have any more bars along W25th. There is concern that it will turn into W 6th street and then fall into chaos and vacancy. Even when townhall was proposing to move in, there was a fair amount of pushback on that project. Many of the current residents want it to be a neighborhood, not a bar district. W. 25th is one of the most popular streets in the city. Its an ideal location to be an entertainment district [not necessarily a club district] with dense residential options. Densifying the street and surrounding streets makes sense with its proximity to Downtown, other job centers, transit options, the lake, etc. I'm not sure why residents of an inner city neighborhood of a city that's beginning to see development are shocked to see bars, restaurants, etc. NIMBYs are fighting an uphill battle. If they want a nice quiet neighborhood, move to a suburb. The same people who don't bars are the same people who don't want the Casto development on Franklin Circle, Clinton west, or other dense projects in the neighborhood. ::)
June 28, 20186 yr I agree there is a difference between bars and clubs. Bars are fine as long as they run a good business and are focused on responsible patrons and not just making as much money as possible all while people over imbibe, fight, yell, etc. West 25th is no different than streets in Lincoln Park, Chicago or alphabet city (or several neighborhoods), NYC. Just run responsible businesses and it’s not an issue. That was west 6ths issues. Get as many people in the door at any cost
June 29, 20186 yr The Franklin Circle proposal is changing their procedures a little bit. Instead of applying for a variance from the zone of boarding appeals, they will put their proposal in front of city council and ask for a temporary rezoning of the parcels to allow for their development. My understanding of this has two points: 1. since city council is an elected body, everyone in Cleveland will now have an opportunity to voice support/concern; 2. they probably felt they would not have received the block club's support for the zoning appeal/variance request. They are asking for a temporary rezoning in case this particular project never comes to fruition - at that point it would revert back to original zoning. In theory I like the move going to an elected body to make the decision but as well all know on this board, city council has its issues too. It tough to build urban development Cleveland! Where does that rezoning proposal stand? http://www.ohiocity.org/sites/default/files/Ohio_City_Changes-4-6-16.pdf
June 30, 20186 yr Is construction about to begin on the new school where Max Hayes stood? The dirt looks freshly disturbed and there's a couple of large construction vehicles on site. I saw it while passing by on the Shoreway so I couldn't get a good look, so perhaps someone else can provide more insight. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 30, 20186 yr Is construction about to begin on the new school where Max Hayes stood? The dirt looks freshly disturbed and there's a couple of large construction vehicles on site. I saw it while passing by on the Shoreway so I couldn't get a good look, so perhaps someone else can provide more insight. Don't know much more, but yes, they've been moving dirt around on this week for the first time in 6+ months. Nothing more than moving dirt around (no foundation, excavating, etc)
July 9, 20186 yr Anyone have any recent progress photos of The Quarter Project? I haven't taken pictures. But I live about 1,000 feet away - they're not done, but there are now people living in some of the units. Which baffles me.
July 9, 20186 yr Anyone have any recent progress photos of The Quarter Project? I haven't taken pictures. But I live about 1,000 feet away - they're not done, but there are now people living in some of the units. Which baffles me. Seems somewhat common. OUC had a multiphase lease as she me apartments became available sooner. The Halle build My will as well.
July 9, 20186 yr Anyone have any recent progress photos of The Quarter Project? I haven't taken pictures. But I live about 1,000 feet away - they're not done, but there are now people living in some of the units. Which baffles me. Seems somewhat common. OUC had a multiphase lease as she me apartments became available sooner. The Halle build My will as well. It was just funny, I was walking by the other day, and a man and woman were lounging on their porch reading whilst construction crews carried on two floors beneath them
July 10, 20186 yr Anyone have any recent progress photos of The Quarter Project? I haven't taken pictures. But I live about 1,000 feet away - they're not done, but there are now people living in some of the units. Which baffles me. Seems somewhat common. OUC had a multiphase lease as she me apartments became available sooner. The Halle build My will as well. It was just funny, I was walking by the other day, and a man and woman were lounging on their porch reading whilst construction crews carried on two floors beneath them That is pretty funny. Probably a little noisy.
July 10, 20186 yr Here's some photos that I've taken of the Quarter from the side from Detroit Ave from yesterday and this morning: - this is on the western end; is this the driveway for the garage?
July 10, 20186 yr Tweets by mjarboe[/member] today.... Checked out the @MusicSettlement’s new space in #CLE’s Ohio City this morning, at the Quarter project at West 25th and Detroit. Early childhood education starts in August. Music instruction and music therapy kick off in September. Also, here are some photos of the residential lobby and apartments at the Quarter. Renters started moving in two weeks ago. Roughly 60 percent leased. Ground floor space will house @MusicSettlement, the Grocery and a furniture showroom. Co-working and food hall across the street. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 12, 20186 yr ^ The music settlement is a great asset. I was looking at their layout and on their website. It seems like a fairly large space. I also see that there's a playground? I wonder if that's just for the music settlement or anyone who lives in the building? The area is becoming more attractive to families. With the newly constructed Waverly Elementary and Middle School, upcoming new West Side High School, St Igs, Irishtown Bend and Edgewater the area could really attract millennial families and maybe families who don't live in the city. This is an important demographic that our city needs to appeal to. You always hear people say that they can't raise kids in Cleveland.
July 12, 20186 yr People are raising families in ohio city and its making homes in the neighborhood wildly expensive. Lots of families want to live there but are priced out. Also, Fresh Brewed Tees is taking over the old Whiskey/Grade location: https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2018/07/fresh_brewed_tees_opening_reta.html
July 12, 20186 yr What are some of the educational options for young children in Ohio City? Any new ones coming as part of new developments? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 12, 20186 yr ^I think the Urban Community School on Lorain is a popular choice. While its mission is to serve low income students on the near west side I have know a number of Ohio City professionals who sent their kids there. A client of mine was on the board and I have been impressed by the school for years.
July 12, 20186 yr Urban Community School is expanding like crazy and construction has started on the new near westside high school where May Hayes used to be. Here's the full list of schools in Ohio City: http://www.ohiocity.org/schools-childcare
July 12, 20186 yr What are some of the educational options for young children in Ohio City? Any new ones coming as part of new developments? Hawken is planning an Early Childhood Center near Gordon Square. They own the property but I think they are still gauging the market.
July 12, 20186 yr ^I think the Urban Community School on Lorain is a popular choice. While its mission is to serve low income students on the near west side I have know a number of Ohio City professionals who sent their kids there. A client of mine was on the board and I have been impressed by the school for years. My friends in Lakewood send their kids there also.
July 12, 20186 yr People are raising families in ohio city and its making homes in the neighborhood wildly expensive. Lots of families want to live there but are priced out. Also, Fresh Brewed Tees is taking over the old Whiskey/Grade location: https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2018/07/fresh_brewed_tees_opening_reta.html There's not a ton of attractive optitons for families in the city proper besides OHC, Tremont, Edgewater, Detroit Shoreway area. University Circle/Little Italy and MidTown has potential and is becoming more attractive. The urban infill homes are relatively affordable, and there's a lot of family friendly things to do over there. There's a few decent schools over there as well. There's always Old Brooklyn, Kamm's, and Shaker Square too. I don't know a ton about those except that Shaker Square can send kids to Shaker Schools, but isn't that mainly apartments? I think that the inner west side and University Circle area are the most attractive for younger people, and for families which will make them really expensive unfortunately. There needs to be more homes being built under 250K. There's not many around in Ohio City.
July 12, 20186 yr ^I know you did not mean it that way but your post, especially the first sentence, could be viewed as very racists.
July 12, 20186 yr Campus International on the CSU campus is popular school choice too especially for families that work downtown. A friend of mine who lived in OC sent his son there before relocating to Columbus. Also prep schools in Shaker such as US, HB and Laurel draw from the near west side. Not huge numbers given the cost but I know several families who use that option
July 12, 20186 yr ^I know you did not mean it that way but your post, especially the first sentence, could be viewed as very racists. Why is this racist? Is it because the neighborhoods he listed are on the west side? I've worked with many young people who live in east side neighborhoods such as Hough. They have to deal with things everyday no child should have to encounter. Their families live there because of poverty not because it's a great place to live. Perhaps I misunderstood your response.
July 12, 20186 yr ^I know you did not mean it that way but your post, especially the first sentence, could be viewed as very racists. Why is this racist? Is it because the neighborhoods he listed are on the west side? I've worked with many young people who live in east side neighborhoods such as Hough. They have to deal with things everyday no child should have to encounter. Their families live there because of poverty not because it's a great place to live. Perhaps I misunderstood your response. Yea, I don't see that comment as racists either.
July 12, 20186 yr ^I know you did not mean it that way but your post, especially the first sentence, could be viewed as very racists. I misspoke. There aren't many attractive neighborhoods for millennial families who value experiences and amenities. It was more classicism than racism, which is is still bad - I admit and I apologize. I guess racism and classicism go hand-in-hand though. Unfortunately many of our neighborhoods are not desirable to many families. ^I know you did not mean it that way but your post, especially the first sentence, could be viewed as very racists. Why is this racist? Is it because the neighborhoods he listed are on the west side? I've worked with many young people who live in east side neighborhoods such as Hough. They have to deal with things everyday no child should have to encounter. Their families live there because of poverty not because it's a great place to live. Perhaps I misunderstood your response. Well UC, Little Italy, and MidTown are east side, but I digress. Wasn't trying to sir anything up.
July 13, 20186 yr Is construction about to begin on the new school where Max Hayes stood? The dirt looks freshly disturbed and there's a couple of large construction vehicles on site. I saw it while passing by on the Shoreway so I couldn't get a good look, so perhaps someone else can provide more insight. Don't know much more, but yes, they've been moving dirt around on this week for the first time in 6+ months. Nothing more than moving dirt around (no foundation, excavating, etc) Looks like they're definitely doing some subsurface infrastructure (waterlines/sewers?) work. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 17, 20186 yr More world-class signage..... http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/brd/detailDR.php?ID=2906&CASE=DF%202018-063 Downtown/Flats Design Review Case Report RED-LINE GREENWAY MURAL Back Return to Case List | Start Over | Print Report (PDF format) Project Information Downtown/Flats Case # DF 2018-063 Address: 1948 Franklin Ave. (Approximate) | Franklin Ave & RTA Viaduct Bridge Abutment Company: LAND Studio Architect: Agnes Studio Description: New large scale wall mural on an existing bridge abutment. Notes: Project AKA: InterUrban Phase II Committee Actions/Submissions Date: July 12, 2018 Committee: Staff Action Type: Initial Plan Submission "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 18, 20186 yr Ohio City Galley, a restaurant accelerator with four startup eateries, will open in October. Looks like a fun concept. http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20180718/news/168706/ohio-city-galley-restaurant-accelerator-four-startup-eateries-will-open "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 18, 20186 yr I am bad at images on here, but the Landmarks agenda is out for this week. Knez is proposing to build a pretty cool (and dense!) little development on the small lot at 4241 Lorain. This is the type of stuff that has me hopeful for the numerous missing teeth along Lorain and other commercial corridors Cool! Here it is..... http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2018/05102018/index.php Case 18-031 Lorain Avenue Historic District 4247 Lorain Avenue New Commercial-Residential Building Ward 3 McCormack Hannah Cohan Plessner B. R. Knez Construction Update. The graphics quoted look like six residential units are proposed and no parking garage. Has the plan changed? http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/agenda/2018/crr07-30-2018.pdf 9:30 Calendar No. 18-159: 4247 Lorain Ave. Ward 3 Kerry McCormack 18 Notices B.R. Knez proposes to construct a new “Live-Work” building with 27 residential units, a 30 car parking garage and commercial space on a City of Cleveland Land Bank lot in a D3 Local Retail Business District and a Pedestrian Retail Overlay District (PRO). The owner appeals for relief from the strict application of the following sections of the Cleveland Codified Ordinances: 1. Section 343.01 which states that unspecified “Live Work” use is not permitted in a Local Retail Business District but first permitted in Live work District per chapter 346. 2. Sections 349.04(a)&(f) which states that 7 off-street parking spaces are required and 2 parking spaces are proposed. 3. Section 355.04 which states that the maximum gross floor area of building in a ‘D’ area district shall not exceed the total lot area; or in this case 3,217 square feet are permitted and 5,521 square feet are proposed. (Filed July 11, 2018) "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 19, 20186 yr 27 Residential units and 30 parking space? They are really packing them into that little building!
July 19, 20186 yr I guess we'll find out. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 19, 20186 yr Something is going on at The Quarter this morning. Detroit is shut down from 28th, everyone is evacuated and there are about 4 firetrucks and other additional vehicles on the scene. Hope everything turns out to be OK. Might be a gas issue, I heard a loud hissing sound when passing.
July 19, 20186 yr Something is going on at The Quarter this morning. Detroit is shut down from 28th, everyone is evacuated and there are about 4 firetrucks and other additional vehicles on the scene. Hope everything turns out to be OK. Might be a gas issue, I heard a loud hissing sound when passing. My usual 6 minute commute took 29 this morning. :|
July 19, 20186 yr I guess we'll find out. Revised: Calendar No. 18-159: 4247 Lorain Ave. Ward 3 Kerry McCormack 18 Notices B.R. Knez proposes to construct a new mixed use building with 6 residential units, a commercial space, and a 4 car parking garage on a City of Cleveland Land Bank lot in a D3 Local Retail Business District and a Pedestrian Retail Overlay District (PRO). The owner appeals for relief from the strict application of the following sections of the Cleveland Codified Ordinances: 1. Sections 349.04(a)&(f) which states that 7 off-street parking spaces are required and 4 parking spaces are proposed. 2. Section 355.04 which states that the maximum gross floor area of building in a ‘D’ area district shall not exceed the total lot area; or in this case 3,217 square feet are permitted and 5,521 square feet are proposed. 3. Section 349.15 which states that one bicycle parking space is required and none are proposed. (Filed July 11, 2018)
July 19, 20186 yr Weird... I thought they were going to announce new construction over the RTA tracks. Anyway, looks like enough people are up in arms about the Duck Island proposal to through another cog in the wheel of this development. Meantime, only 8 days left til the deadline! Is the whole thing going to die? That would be a real shame... I don't get these reactions we're getting from neighborhood residents. God forbid we have density in a city neighborhood... :roll: Housing project too dense, Duck Island residents say Thursday, September 22, 2005 Angela D. Chatman Plain Dealer Reporter Residents of a near West Side neighborhood criticized a mixed-income housing project planned for that area for its high density Tuesday night. Residents of what is known as Duck Island, southeast of the West Side Market, said the Cuyahoga Metropolitan Housing Authority's proposal to build 242 housing units along Columbus Road would alter the nature of their neighborhood. CMHA and its co-developer, the Telesis Corp., identified the property owned by the Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority as the fourth, and largest, site for housing in its long-delayed Riverview HOPE VI project. The CMHA parcel would replace the city-owned Hicks parking lot as the site for the bulk of the housing. The housing authority proposes to build 384 units, including 81 public-housing units, on four sites... http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/1127381464308751.xml&coll=2 That link is no longer active?
July 23, 20186 yr I just toured a for-sale house at 2912 Clinton that, albeit once a nice home, should be condemned and demolished. The house is literally breaking in half over a mid-structure support beam that's propped up using a lally column in the basement (behind my son, see below). You can see the house breaking in half in my photo below in which the window is leaning left and the chimney is leaning right. The basement looks like some medieval catacombs. On the upper floors, I was terrified to make a wrong step on the rolling floor. This house, in one of the hottest sections of Cleveland's Ohio City (there's a million-dollar townhouse listing across the street), has apparently been vacant since about 1996 after a widow named Edna Hamilton passed away. She and her husband Abraham, who died in 1985, lived in this 150-year-old home for many years. It was a nice home, just one block north of the west-side's "Millionaires Row." It's sad to see a once-fine house on its last legs. Considering each floor is slightly gabled over the beam being supported by that column, I'd say that house's clock is ticking. I'd also say that house/property isn't worth anywhere close to $129,000 that's being asked. Knock $100,000 off the asking price and I'll talk. The owner, VIY Properties LLC, bought the house through its principal Alexandru Bardan in 2011 for $20,000. We found photos of the listing from 2011 and it's apparent that the house hasn't been repaired since then. The structure isn't worth anything. In fact, it has a negative value considering the cost to demolish it. The land is valued by the county for taxes at $39,900. Here's the listing for this house: https://www.howardhanna.com/Property/Detail/2912-Clinton-Ave-Cleveland-OH-44113/NorthernOH/3998820 If I were to buy this house, I'd want to demolish it (up to $15,000 cost). I realize this is in a historic district and requires approval of the Block Club and Landmarks Commission. The house doesn't have a driveway, so if I built a new house here (designed with a traditional exterior appearance) I'd want a driveway which means adding a curb cut. It's a very narrow lot, so this could be problematic -- unless the neighborhood would be willing consider a design or an innovation such as one of these.... Or these.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 23, 20186 yr I just toured a for-sale house at 2912 Clinton that, albeit once a nice home, should be condemned and demolished. The house is literally breaking in half over a mid-structure support beam that's propped up using a lally column in the basement (behind my son, see below). You can see the house breaking in half in my photo below in which the window is leaning left and the chimney is leaning right. The basement looks like some medieval catacombs. On the upper floors, I was terrified to make a wrong step on the rolling floor. This house, in one of the hottest sections of Cleveland's Ohio City (there's a million-dollar townhouse listing across the street), has apparently been vacant since about 1996 after a widow named Edna Hamilton passed away. She and her husband Abraham, who died in 1985, lived in this 150-year-old home for many years. It was a nice home, just one block north of the west-side's "Millionaires Row." It's sad to see a once-fine house on its last legs. Considering each floor is slightly gabled over the beam being supported by that column, I'd say that house's clock is ticking. I'd also say that house/property isn't worth anywhere close to $129,000 that's being asked. Knock $100,000 off the asking price and I'll talk. The owner, VIY Properties LLC, bought the house through its principal Alexandru Bardan in 2011 for $20,000. We found photos of the listing from 2011 and it's apparent that the house hasn't been repaired since then. The structure isn't worth anything. In fact, it has a negative value considering the cost to demolish it. The land is valued by the county for taxes at $39,900. Here's the listing for this house: https://www.howardhanna.com/Property/Detail/2912-Clinton-Ave-Cleveland-OH-44113/NorthernOH/3998820 If I were to buy this house, I'd want to demolish it (up to $15,000 cost). I realize this is in a historic district and requires approval of the Block Club and Landmarks Commission. The house doesn't have a driveway, so if I built a new house here (designed with a traditional exterior appearance) I'd want a driveway which means adding a curb cut. It's a very narrow lot, so this could be problematic -- unless the neighborhood would be willing consider a design or an innovation such as one of these.... Or these.... We actually put in an offer for it (though WELL under ask) I agree with you though KJP[/member] ... touring the basement, they had cut completely through support beams without replacing them, the ceiling in the kitchen appeared to be asbestos, and I put a quarter straight up in the kitchen, and it rolled STRAIGHT to the back of the house, I put a roll of tape in the middle of the home, and it rolled STRAIGHT to the front. Bad, bad, bad shape. The second time we toured it, we had a builder with us and he said it would be damn near impossible to get condemned because of the Historic District - and our builder specializes in Ohio City and Detroit Shoreway reno.
July 23, 20186 yr It would be pricey to address but it's totally possible to install new headers in the basement, add columns, and rebuild the foundation and possibly even just rebuild the entire first floor. With the strength of this market it's probably a pretty do-able job.
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