July 27, 20186 yr The benefit of new development and new residents is that hopefully these block clubs start to fill up with younger pro-development folks.
July 27, 20186 yr So what happened? The block club approved the design & zoning variance. Cooler heads prevailed last night & it was very cordial. Due to the developers and neighborhood leaders hosting numerous meetings regarding this project, I think everyone already knew how they were going to vote. Admittedly, I stopped by anticipating with the mindset of a Roman citizen entering the Colosseum for a Punic War reenactment - was very disappointed to find out they were actually performing the Merchant of Venice. Lol, jk. I was really proud of the way it went last night. I literally stepped in and stepped out but was happy at how cordial the tone was.
July 30, 20186 yr Hey guys, I hope this is the right forum, as it’s technically the border of Ohio City and Detroit Shoreway, but I closed on a house on 50th near Detroit and Franklin. Anyone live in the area? Do I have any safety concerns beyond the ordinary concerns of Ohio’s City, Tremont, Detroit Shoreway? Thanks guys! And Mods, if this is the wrong thread go ahead and move me elsewhere!
July 30, 20186 yr I don't live in area but congrats. It seems like a great neighborhood. Thanks guys! I agree i love the street. What I’ve heard from most is that I should expect the opportunity crime typical to Ohio City or DS, but I just want to go into it with eyes wide open. Especially since my fiancé will be living there eventually too
July 30, 20186 yr Lived on franklin for three years...somebody went through my car once in three years because I had left the door unlocked. Otherwise, I didn’t have any issues. Close your windows, lock your doors when you’re not home and you’ll be fine. Enjoy the street! You have fantastic neighbors :)
July 30, 20186 yr I'm three blocks west of you between Franklin and Bridge. I spent my first 5yrs here moving all over the Cleveland metro area (Brecksville, Downtown, Tremont, Lakewood, DS) trying to find the right neighborhood to not only live, but also invest and start a company. Fast forward 6yrs and I'm still at my current house with no plans to ever leave. It's the first neighborhood I've ever lived in that has actually felt like home. I think you're really going to enjoy the area. You'll also be happy to know there are some preliminary development plans on your new street as you get closer to Detroit Ave. Those crappy houses on the west side of w50th, the corner vacant used car lot, and other businesses along Det (including the Big Egg), have teamed up together to begin marketing the entire block. I will share the plans as they evolve and welcome any feedback from the UO community. W._50th__Detroit_Land.pdf
July 30, 20186 yr speaking of W 50 and detroit area, any idea what's happening with the old school lot?
July 30, 20186 yr speaking of W 50 and detroit area, any idea what's happening with the old school lot? New high school https://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/05/plans_for_new_west_side_high_s.html
July 30, 20186 yr Congrats! 47th and Lorain over here. Typical crime in our area. In 15 years I have yet to witness any violent crime. Just theft. There is a definite opportunistic undertow in the area. If you want to keep it, lock it down (which i'm sure you know by now). It never ceases to amaze me how fast things get picked up when you put them out on the tree lawn around here. Like under 10 minutes haha. It's like an ant colony. Its nice to see that the community at 50th and Det banding together to develop the area further. Could be a really cool. Is Edgewater Cafe still open?
July 30, 20186 yr Wow. Looks like I might've gotten lucky with that land ripe for development like that. Really wish CMSD would sell that land, especially since they already made a new Max Hayes, but hey... there's worse things that could go in a neighborhood. Thanks for all of the feedback, guys.
July 30, 20186 yr Hey guys, I hope this is the right forum, as it’s technically the border of Ohio City and Detroit Shoreway, but I closed on a house on 50th near Detroit and Franklin. Anyone live in the area? Do I have any safety concerns beyond the ordinary concerns of Ohio’s City, Tremont, Detroit Shoreway? Thanks guys! Nice! This area has come a looong way just in the past two years. By all accounts a great investment, congrats!
July 30, 20186 yr Wow. Looks like I might've gotten lucky with that land ripe for development like that. Really wish CMSD would sell that land, especially since they already made a new Max Hayes, but hey... there's worse things that could go in a neighborhood. Thanks for all of the feedback, guys. The high school will have a smaller foot print. It’s well designed with buildigs abutting the street along Detroit and W 45th - parking tucked in back. https://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/05/plans_for_new_west_side_high_s.html Smaller neighborhood schools are important.
July 30, 20186 yr ^Will it be an elementary? There’s a newer elementary school being constructed to the south and west of this high school. The Waverly School on W. 74th. It’s opening for this fall. http://www.iconohio.com/construction-management-at-risk/cmsd-waverly-k8.aspx
July 30, 20186 yr Waverly is opening on w57th, and the school on w.74th is getting demolished. My bad! Thanks for the correction. I should know this I just worked on a project for school in that area and went past the construction site a handful of times.
July 30, 20186 yr Wow. Looks like I might've gotten lucky with that land ripe for development like that. Really wish CMSD would sell that land, especially since they already made a new Max Hayes, but hey... there's worse things that could go in a neighborhood. Thanks for all of the feedback, guys. The high school will have a smaller foot print. It’s well designed with buildigs abutting the street along Detroit and W 45th - parking tucked in back. https://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/05/plans_for_new_west_side_high_s.html Smaller neighborhood schools are important. imjustinjk, has the plan changed from these renderings that you know? The footprint is still the whole old Max Hayes lot in those renders.
July 30, 20186 yr School plans are seemingly more difficult to find than other projects. I’m not sure why. KJP made a post last year with more plans and details. I don’t think they’ve changed and they seem to take up the entire former lot. https://www.urbanohio.com/forum/index.php?topic=653.2490 Well, they're trying. Which is more than I can say of the Cleveland Clinic. More than 50 graphics at the link below.... http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2017/04272017/index.php CONCEPT PLAN 1. Case 17-025 (Case 15-072) Gordon Square Historic District West Side High School 4600 Detroit Avenue New Construction Ward 15 Zone Ed Shearson Jeff Henderson Then Design Hollie Dellisanti CMSD
July 30, 20186 yr I appreciate the effort at urban form, but a high school cannot possibly be pedestrian friendly. Claiming otherwise suggests a failure to understand the concept. The only pedestrian friendly move here would be to build it somewhere else.
July 30, 20186 yr I appreciate the effort at urban form, but a high school cannot possibly be pedestrian friendly. Claiming otherwise suggests a failure to understand the concept. The only pedestrian friendly move here would be to build it somewhere else. Additionally, by the very nature of the world we live in, its typically not a good look for adults to go roaming around high schools anyways. I understand and appreciate investing in education, but I think if they would've sold that land for development - about which they were approached directly - they would have had even more money to spend on a school in a more appropriate location
July 30, 20186 yr I appreciate the effort at urban form, but a high school cannot possibly be pedestrian friendly. Claiming otherwise suggests a failure to understand the concept. The only pedestrian friendly move here would be to build it somewhere else. Additionally, by the very nature of the world we live in, its typically not a good look for adults to go roaming around high schools anyways. I understand and appreciate investing in education, but I think if they would've sold that land for development - about which they were approached directly - they would have had even more money to spend on a school in a more appropriate location Where would you propose it have gone? What would have went in its place? Tax abated luxury townhomes (that are actually taking money from CMSD). A luxury mixed use development? I think a school in this location will serve the community well.
July 30, 20186 yr I appreciate the effort at urban form, but a high school cannot possibly be pedestrian friendly. Claiming otherwise suggests a failure to understand the concept. The only pedestrian friendly move here would be to build it somewhere else. Additionally, by the very nature of the world we live in, its typically not a good look for adults to go roaming around high schools anyways. I understand and appreciate investing in education, but I think if they would've sold that land for development - about which they were approached directly - they would have had even more money to spend on a school in a more appropriate location Where would you propose it have gone? What would have went in its place? Tax abated luxury townhomes (that are actually taking money from CMSD). A luxury mixed use development? I think a school in this location will serve the community well. https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4849632,-81.7154914,234m/data=!3m1!1e3 You repurpose Garret Morgan, limit the parking spaces here to just serve faculty & staff, and make this a TRUE campus, and CMSD can redeem the space from the charter school. You could have a 3-4 building academic campus, as fabric of a neighborhood and community, centered around the neighborhood and not a thoroughfare.
July 30, 20186 yr I appreciate the effort at urban form, but a high school cannot possibly be pedestrian friendly. Claiming otherwise suggests a failure to understand the concept. The only pedestrian friendly move here would be to build it somewhere else. Additionally, by the very nature of the world we live in, its typically not a good look for adults to go roaming around high schools anyways. I understand and appreciate investing in education, but I think if they would've sold that land for development - about which they were approached directly - they would have had even more money to spend on a school in a more appropriate location Where would you propose it have gone? What would have went in its place? Tax abated luxury townhomes (that are actually taking money from CMSD). A luxury mixed use development? I think a school in this location will serve the community well. https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4849632,-81.7154914,234m/data=!3m1!1e3 You repurpose Garret Morgan, limit the parking spaces here to just serve faculty & staff, and make this a TRUE campus, and CMSD can redeem the space from the charter school. You could have a 3-4 building academic campus, as fabric of a neighborhood and community, centered around the neighborhood and not a thoroughfare. That could have worked. CMSD was seemingly very dead set on having a school remain on this location from what I’ve read. However, there is still plenty of developable space along Detroit and the school can become integrated well as this area grows. The used car dealerships, squat buildings, and single family homes immediately to the west can be redeveloped. There’s plenty of parking lots and smaller, underutilized buildings, etc. in both directions.
July 30, 20186 yr There's not really that much Detroit Avenue to work with, between Hingetown and Gordon Square. This kills off a big chunk of potential. And time will not heal that wound because the school will never be open to the public. It could take decades to assemble a comparable site piecemeal, if that's even possible. Putting walkable mixed-use on this site would elevate all the property values around it, giving CMSD more revenues to work with. At some point Cleveland has to prioritize good planning decisions above all else. The school district should not be allowed to keep shooting itself in the foot.
July 30, 20186 yr At some point Cleveland has to prioritize good planning decisions above all else. Reminding me that for whatever reason lake views don't carry anywhere near the same value as ocean views. Very disappointing.
July 30, 20186 yr At some point Cleveland has to prioritize good planning decisions above all else. Reminding me that for whatever reason lake views don't carry anywhere near the same value as ocean views. Very disappointing. I'm not sure how true that is or how much it's in play here. High rises have already been proposed for the Battery Park area only to get attacked by residents. That's not a demand problem, that's a political problem. Considering the positions announced by the school district and the city, no developer was going to waste money on a proposal. That has nothing to do with the potential value of sensibly developing the site. One more horrific mistake by incompetent leadership. We can't afford more of those, because yes our waterfront views do have value. Immense value. We're just hellbent on wasting it.
July 31, 20186 yr Reminding me that for whatever reason lake views don't carry anywhere near the same value as ocean views. Very disappointing. There was just an article in Crains about the price of water adjacent property relative to the rest of the market. If I remember correctly Cleveland fared extremely well in that stat. Which to be fair probably doesn't mean much since so many inland neighborhoods have waaay below average housing value. But still it was an interesting read. I'll see if I can find a link. edit: Found the link. http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20180711/news01/167946/what-would-you-pay-live-water-premium-falling-nationwide-though What would you pay to live by the water? The premium is falling nationwide, though in Cleveland, it's still high By BLOOMBERG Waterfront living doesn't hold the allure it once did. Or is it just that living everywhere else has gotten so expensive? Homes with access to a body of water commanded a 36% premium in the first quarter of 2018, down from a peak of 54% in the second quarter of 2012 and below the average of 41% since 1996, according to a report released Tuesday, July 10, by Zillow. In Cleveland, though, the premium remains high, at 68%. ... It isn't just real estate on the ocean that people are willing to pay more for. The latest report lists metros by average waterfront premium since 1996. Of the top 10, ranging from Jacksonville, Fla., with a premium of 72%, to Dallas, at 41%, only three are by the sea: Jacksonville, Baltimore and Seattle. The rest, besides Dallas, are Cleveland; Denver; Milwaukee; Sacramento, California; Austin, Texas; and Indianapolis. In the Cleveland market, the report found, the median value of a waterfront home was $463,100. Such homes make up 0.12% of the market. The average sales premium for waterfront homes in Cleveland since 1996, at 68%, is well above the national average.
July 31, 20186 yr Church and State, still up in the air? Not much news about it lately... I do think the zebra design of it really sets a mood in Ohio City, innovative and artsy at the least, so it does appeal to the "Hipster Crowd". Although I don't really like the design, but I think it would fit very nice in OC. Reason being, black and white buildings don't age very well and you wont really see it at night time. I'm sure they'll add some exterior lighting to make it pop a bit, but there's not much you can do with black cladding. On 7/31/2018 at 2:35 AM, tastybunns said: Church and State, still up in the air? Not much news about it lately... I do think the zebra design of it really sets a mood in Ohio City, innovative and artsy at the least, so it does appeal to the "Hipster Crowd". Although I don't really like the design, but I think it would fit very nice in OC. Reason being, black and white buildings don't age very well and you wont really see it at night time. I'm sure they'll add some exterior lighting to make it pop a bit, but there's not much you can do with black cladding. Breaking ground in September On 7/31/2018 at 7:47 AM, TPH2 said: Quote Church and State, still up in the air? Not much news about it lately... I do think the zebra design of it really sets a mood in Ohio City, innovative and artsy at the least, so it does appeal to the "Hipster Crowd". Although I don't really like the design, but I think it would fit very nice in OC. Reason being, black and white buildings don't age very well and you wont really see it at night time. I'm sure they'll add some exterior lighting to make it pop a bit, but there's not much you can do with black cladding. Breaking ground in September PLZ PLZ PLZ What do you mean what happened with Church and State? I have heard all lights are green on that, they just need to close. When they got county approval a month or two ago they said groundbreaking would be in September. We aren’t there yet... On 8/8/2018 at 9:02 AM, CbusTransit said: What do you mean what happened with Church and State? I have heard all lights are green on that, they just need to close. When they got county approval a month or two ago they said groundbreaking would be in September. We aren’t there yet... I think he might be referring to the approval hiccup that Church and State had early on.
August 1, 20186 yr I'm not sure how true that is or how much it's in play here. High rises have already been proposed for the Battery Park area only to get attacked by residents. That's not a demand problem, that's a political problem. Considering the positions announced by the school district and the city, no developer was going to waste money on a proposal. That has nothing to do with the potential value of sensibly developing the site. One more horrific mistake by incompetent leadership. We can't afford more of those, because yes our waterfront views do have value. Immense value. We're just hellbent on wasting it. Despite these objections you refer to, the Battery Park vicinity seems to be booming with new apartments. It seems almost every month new ones are going up - spreading like wildfire = and heading right towards the 78th Street Studios. I'm very happy about all this, too!
August 1, 20186 yr I haven't seen it mentioned here but I'm very glad to see construction begin for the new hotel on West. 25th - just to the south of the Forest City Building. I hope it gets a good clientele, with spillover from the 17 (at least) hotels downtown, many of which are labeled luxury.
August 1, 20186 yr It looks like construction has begun on the old building on Barber Avenue. A lift was there with construction workers checking out the large smoke stack and the electric company was there adjusting the utility poles.
August 2, 20186 yr Enter the perfect place for Wojton to realize his vision: the historic Ohio City Masonic Center at 2831 Franklin Blvd. “For the last five or six years, I’ve been looking to start a rock climbing wall in Cleveland,” he explains. “I’ve seen what rock climbing walls have done for other cities. I looked at 30 different buildings.” When Wojton looked at the Masonic Center in January, he knew he had found his future site. “This building’s great,” he says of the mysterious and foreboding building. “We couldn’t have a better location.” A $2.4 million renovation and construction plan is now underway on the 1932 building to create Cleveland Rocks—one of the largest rock climbing gyms in Ohio, alongside a yoga studio space, and the technology-driven Flux Makerspace. The project should create 18 jobs. http://www.freshwatercleveland.com/breaking-ground/CleRocks080118.aspx
August 2, 20186 yr Hey guys, I hope this is the right forum, as it’s technically the border of Ohio City and Detroit Shoreway, but I closed on a house on 50th near Detroit and Franklin. Anyone live in the area? Do I have any safety concerns beyond the ordinary concerns of Ohio’s City, Tremont, Detroit Shoreway? Thanks guys! And Mods, if this is the wrong thread go ahead and move me elsewhere! Congrats! I lived at the Edison and my girlfriend lived on 50th near Lorain until we moved in together. I'd say you're fine safety wise along with the normal near inner city stuff. Lock your car doors, don't leave stuff visible, etc. Probably invest in a security system and put the sign out front. Beyond that you're great! Check out Luxe's patio when you get a chance before the summer ends, my girlfriend is the female bartender there :)
August 6, 20186 yr @aerialagents Can you envision the potential of Irishtown Bend from this photo? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 6, 20186 yr ^Irishtown Bend absolutely has to get done with none of the usual delays. It is a transformative project for Cleveland that will result is so much spin off, both in the Flats and in Ohio City. The price tag is high for Cleveland but the $$$ has to be found. While I hate comparing us to other cities (especially large ones with more resources) as others tend to do on the board, this is the type of project which would get done in Chicago in a blink of an eye.
August 6, 20186 yr ^ Better get started on something soon. No doubt those invasive vines are plotting to take over the entire City.
August 6, 20186 yr ^ Better get started on something soon. No doubt those invasive vines are plotting to take over the entire City. They're probably the only thing keeping the hillside from falling into the river!
August 6, 20186 yr ^ Better get started on something soon. No doubt those invasive vines are plotting to take over the entire City. They're probably the only thing keeping the hillside from falling into the river! Ha! Ironically that's why kudzu was brought from Asia, for erosion control. I'm not saying these vines are kudzu vines, but it sure looks like they are eating everything in sight. Anyone know what these actually are? Anyhow, I was under the probably naive impression that this park construction and hill stabilization would be happening soon.
August 6, 20186 yr Anyhow, I was under the probably naive impression that this park construction and hill stabilization would be happening soon. It's a $90+ million project. I believe the latest was that about $14 million was in hand. Perhaps someone can correct/update me? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 6, 20186 yr Anyhow, I was under the probably naive impression that this park construction and hill stabilization would be happening soon. It's a $90+ million project. I believe the latest was that about $14 million was in hand. Perhaps someone can correct/update me? Thanks. Hoping that the momentum for the near west side gets things into gear. If we can't make things happen in OC, we can't make things happen anywhere. I typed that in the voice of Mark from Norton Furniture.
August 6, 20186 yr It looks like construction has begun on the old building on Barber Avenue. A lift was there with construction workers checking out the large smoke stack and the electric company was there adjusting the utility poles. Please remind me. What's the project on Barber Avenue?
August 6, 20186 yr Please remind me. What's the project on Barber Avenue? https://www.urbanohio.com/forum/index.php/topic,2492.msg906419.html#msg906419 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 7, 20186 yr After the block club approved it a couple weeks ago, Dexter Place is on Landmarks this week. This is what is being submitted for approval (not all of CLC pics are shown here; you can see them at the link below)..... http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2018/08092018/index.php Case 18-037 (Concept Plan 5-24-18) Ohio City Historic District Dexter Place Apartments 1578 West 28th Street New Construction Ward 3 McCormack Gary Ogrocki Brandon Young Dimit Architects Kolby Turnock Casto Development "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 8, 20186 yr With Dexter Place, The Quarter and Church & State, that's three big developments all within a short distance from each other. That's great for the neighborhood. If Irishtown Bend happens on schedule you will see many more proposed and built!
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