March 14, 20196 yr Construction fences just went up around the Franklin Circle, which is the future site of the 119-unit apartment building by Casto.
March 15, 20196 yr Conveyor and Caster on Detroit Road recently moved its headquarters to Westlake. Not sure what’s going to happen to it’s former building on Detroit.
March 15, 20196 yr 2 minutes ago, CbusTransit said: Conveyor and Caster on Detroit Road recently moved its headquarters to Westlake. Not sure what’s going to happen to it’s former building on Detroit. Interesting. This has to be futre residential or mixed use. I kinda hope they keep and renovate the original buildings, at least in front. Maintain some of the historic scale.
March 15, 20196 yr 3 minutes ago, CbusTransit said: Conveyor and Caster on Detroit Road recently moved its headquarters to Westlake. Not sure what’s going to happen to it’s former building on Detroit. That doesn't surprise me one bit. It and the neighboring Kowalski Heat Treating Co. is an outlier on a street that is transitioning to mid-rise residential, restaurants, etc. I only hope Stephen Kowalski & family of Bay Village will also relocate their business soon -- as long as they stay in Cleveland. FYI, I found this article from 2002 and snipped a relevant part from it...... _____________________ Many residents like the idea of keeping away businesses such as used car lots and car repair shops, but a possible rezoning could prohibit the area's industrial companies from expanding, Mr. Wilbur said. They're nervous about that because they feel pretty hemmed in,' he said. 'We're trying to be sensitive to that.' Bob Hotujac, vice president of Kennick Mold & Die Corp., which has been on Detroit Avenue in Ohio City for 46 years, is among those concerned that rezoning the street to residential from light industrial would decimate industrial properties such as his. 'That would take our property value and deflate it down to zero,' Mr. Hotujac said 'We wouldn't be able to sell.' Robert Simons, a professor of urban planning and real estate development at the Maxine Goodman Levin College of Urban Affairs at Cleveland State University, said he believes the best use for Detroit might be found in a mix of retail, entertainment and commercial business development because of its lake views and proximity to downtown as well as the high property values in Ohio City. But merging old industrial businesses with the new is 'not a great fit,' Dr. Simons said. 'In the long run, the area will probably turn over,' he said. 'Frankly, there's probably better spots' for the industrial businesses. ' Dr. Simons' comments aren't music to the ears of Steve Kowalski, president of Kowalski Heat Treating Co., a metal treating company located on the street since 1975. Mr. Kowalski's family-owned company in the past 18 months has spent $2.5 million to refurbish its existing 18,000-square-foot shop at 3611 Detroit Ave. and to add another 10,000 square feet. Mr. Kowalski said he has no thoughts of relocating the company because many of his 20 employees live in Cleveland, so the business is just a short drive for them. 'We love this area. This location is ideally suited for our business,' he said. 'We didn't do this (refurbishment of the building) for the short term.' Besides, Mr. Kowalski isn't sure the street can support a lot of shops, apartments or condominiums. He said the small piece of green space across the street from his business isn't big enough to accommodate an apartment complex unless it was a high-rise building. 'That could have a dramatic adverse affect on property values,' Mr. Kowalski said. 'A lot of residents want to maintain their ability to see the lake.' But neighborhood concerns aren't stopping projects from materializing and more residents from moving in. MORE: https://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20020930/SUB/209300703/new-day-dawning-on-detroit "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 19, 20196 yr It's sad seeing this old church in such bad condition. But it's wonderful news that it's on track to be renovated! Case 19-009: Ohio City Historic District First Reformed Church 1944 West 32nd Street Renovation and Addition for Welsh Academy St. Ignatius High School Ward 3: McCormack Project Representatives: Mykie Hrusovski, DLR Group, Architects More pics at the link below: http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2019/03142019/index.php "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 19, 20196 yr Wow, that architect did a great job of restoring that great structure and really making it shine while tastefully adding on to it. One of the better renos/additions I've seen on a historical structure in a while.
March 20, 20196 yr 21 hours ago, tj111 said: Wow, that architect did a great job of restoring that great structure and really making it shine while tastefully adding on to it. One of the better renos/additions I've seen on a historical structure in a while. Ignatius continues to remind us why it's a top notch institution in all respects. Moreover, as Welsh Academy grows, it will become a very viable schooling option for people like my wife and myself that would like to stay in Ohio City and raise a family, but likely will move to the suburbs for better schooling options.
March 20, 20196 yr 2 hours ago, YABO713 said: Ignatius continues to remind us why it's a top notch institution in all respects. Moreover, as Welsh Academy grows, it will become a very viable schooling option for people like my wife and myself that would like to stay in Ohio City and raise a family, but likely will move to the suburbs for better schooling options. I believe Walsh is targeted specifically for low income CMSD students who would otherwise not have Ignatius as an opportunity, if I read the last newsletter correctly. By the way YABO I've been a long time lurker (4 years), I saw your photo of your camping trip and realized we graduated from high school together.
March 20, 20196 yr 4 hours ago, YABO713 said: Ignatius continues to remind us why it's a top notch institution in all respects. Moreover, as Welsh Academy grows, it will become a very viable schooling option for people like my wife and myself that would like to stay in Ohio City and raise a family, but likely will move to the suburbs for better schooling options. The default question that my wife and I get from many suburban colleagues or acquaintances: where do you send your kids? The fact is that k-8 options have improved greatly for near west side families over the past 5-8 years. Ask the families around you. Or pm me sometime.
March 20, 20196 yr My wife and I were considering Menlo Academy for our kindergarten son who is in second-grade reading and math textbooks and doesn't want to go to school anymore because he says it's "boring" and "I already know everything." "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 20, 20196 yr 6 hours ago, YABO713 said: Moreover, as Welsh Academy grows, it will become a very viable schooling option for people like my wife and myself that would like to stay in Ohio City and raise a family, but likely will move to the suburbs for better schooling options. My friends in Lakewood chose Urban Community School on Lorain and they and the kids are very happy so far.
March 23, 20196 yr On 3/15/2019 at 4:21 PM, CbusTransit said: Conveyor and Caster on Detroit Road recently moved its headquarters to Westlake. Not sure what’s going to happen to it’s former building on Detroit. FRIDAY, MARCH 22, 2019 Ohio City's Kowalski bucks housing trend A stretch of Detroit Avenue in Cleveland's Ohio City neighborhood, once known as Mariners' Row for its many boat dealers and boating stores, is quickly becoming home to a number of mid-rise apartment buildings. From The Quarter, Federal Knitting Mills, Mariner's Watch, Edge 32, to the latest and largest project yet -- Church + State -- more than a dozen blocks of Detroit Avenue next to the West Shoreway (now Edgewater Parkway) are lined with apartment buildings from four to 11 stories tall. A notable exception is a holdout manufacturer, Kowalski Heat Treating Co., that has grown from 3,000 square feet to 83,000 square feet during its 44 years, adding nearly 23,000 square feet just in the past week. https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/03/ohio-citys-kowalski-bucks-housing-trend.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 23, 20196 yr While I love seeing a local business growing and expanding (hopefully more jobs too), the neighborhood has changed so much around them. Manufacturing just isn't the highest and best use for that land anymore. It's a shame to hear their deal to move elsewhere in the city fell through. Perhaps something can be done to spruce up their exteriors a bit so its not such a long stretch of more-or-less blank walls.
March 24, 20196 yr 7 hours ago, PoshSteve said: While I love seeing a local business growing and expanding (hopefully more jobs too), the neighborhood has changed so much around them. Manufacturing just isn't the highest and best use for that land anymore. It's a shame to hear their deal to move elsewhere in the city fell through. Perhaps something can be done to spruce up their exteriors a bit so its not such a long stretch of more-or-less blank walls. There are plenty of places they could move to, but I don't think their buildings are super terrible. If they painted and did some exterior work, I think it could blend in with the neighborhood well. But yeah, that area has a lot of squat buildings that could be apartments/condos.
March 24, 20196 yr 12 hours ago, imjustinjk said: There are plenty of places they could move to, but I don't think their buildings are super terrible. If they painted and did some exterior work, I think it could blend in with the neighborhood well. But yeah, that area has a lot of squat buildings that could be apartments/condos. If Kowalski cares about the neighborhood as much as he indicates, then he should be a good neighbor and take care of aesthetics.
March 24, 20196 yr Speaking of leaving Ohio City. I didn't realize that many work at the Voss facility. Quote West Side stalwart Voss Industries buys Berea plant STAN BULLARD Voss LLC, a manufacturer in Ohio City since the 1950s, has purchased a building and plans to move to Berea. The company said it hopes to occupy one property but that it has not determined if some functions may remain in Ohio City. The manufacturer is in a four-floor building. Voss Industries LLC, a manufacturer of clamps and related items for aerospace and associated uses, is preparing to move its 267 jobs and $11 million yearly payroll from its Cleveland plant to Berea. The unit of Fullerton, Calif.-based Consolidated Aerospace Manufacturing LLC confirmed in an email to Crain's that it plans to relocate to a more modern plant at 1000 West Bagley Road. The current facility is at 2168 West 25th St. "We do not know yet whether we will retain a presence in Ohio City, mostly due to variables in growth and acquisition, but it would be desired to be in a single location," the email said. Voss said it needed room to expand to meet anticipated demand for its products. The company said it was unable to find a vacant, modern plant in Cleveland that met its needs. The location of its Ohio City home, should Voss vacate it fully, would put a major property into play on the southern edge of the West 25th entertainment district. Voss is in a large, four-story building with a total of 239,000 square feet of office and industrial space. It also uses two large parking lots nearby for its employees. Voss has been on the site since 1957, and the main element of the structure dates from the 1930s. Read more: https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/west-side-stalwart-voss-industries-buys-berea-plant
March 24, 20196 yr Another housing conversion! Developers will be foaming at the mouth over this site. Remember when we lived in the suburbs and commuted into the city? Now we'll be living in the city and commuting to the suburbs. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 24, 20196 yr 3 hours ago, KJP said: Another housing conversion! Developers will be foaming at the mouth over this site. Remember when we lived in the suburbs and commuted into the city? Now we'll be living in the city and commuting to the suburbs. Lets hope not. We don't want to become Dallas or Atlanta. I love that there are lots of developments, in the core of the city, but we have to balance and maintain city employment and job creation.
March 24, 20196 yr It's a shame they couldn't move elsewhere in the city. They seem like they would be a good fit along the Opportunity Corridor. While its good for the region as a whole - more efficient space, room to expand, and the opportunity for new productive use of the old facilities - it's not necessarily good for the City of Cleveland to lose that many employees. It can be a negative tax wise for the city even if the building converts to housing with an equivalent amount of new residents moving to the city paying an equivalent amount of income taxes to the city. Residents overall require more services to be provided than commercial employees. I believe this will be a better use of the space and better for W25th, but the businesses relocating outside of the city could become a problem. Is the parking they use across 25th part of the Market Square project?
March 25, 20196 yr Their parking lot on West 25th/gehring is not part of the market square project. They also own 1/2 of two blocks behind the buildings on W 26th street. Its a lot of land, will be interesting to see if somebody's already behind this move.
March 25, 20196 yr 12 minutes ago, RMB said: Their parking lot on West 25th/gehring is not part of the market square project. They also own 1/2 of two blocks behind the buildings on W 26th street. Its a lot of land, will be interesting to see if somebody's already behind this move. If there is, it won't take long to find out. Same deal with Kowalski Heat Treating, although I think the latter is staying. He knows his metalworking but not real estate trends. The Midland Industrial Park calls.... Edited March 25, 20196 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 25, 20196 yr While this specific location might be primed for more new real estate, I think it's also important for neighborhoods to retain light industrial, non-retail entities like Kowalski that will continue to be a relative source of stability during economic downturns, especially since a rental-heavy market and commercial districts built largely on leisure (restaurants, bars, niche services) are very vulnerable to being totally gutted when we face another serious recession.
March 25, 20196 yr 20 hours ago, KJP said: Another housing conversion! Developers will be foaming at the mouth over this site. Remember when we lived in the suburbs and commuted into the city? Now we'll be living in the city and commuting to the suburbs. I don't really like this that much. Our city needs to retain and grow jobs. Not every inch of every popular neighborhood needs to be housing if it means losing neighborhood jobs. How many of those 267 live in the immediate area and rely on transit to get to work? They would have to then rely on taking the #22, #51, or Red Line to connect the #86 and spend over an hour of commute time, find another way, or get a new job. That's 267 built in customers for places like Cleveland Candle, Citizen Pie, Campbell's etc. I personally look for jobs as close to my job as possible, as do my peers and many other people do as well. My friends all live in Cleveland proper, but many have to commute to their jobs in the suburbs. Many of my friends say they would to get rid of their cars if they lived closer to their jobs, but that's not possible for many. A complete neighborhood should have diverse housing and employment options. I know that they're outgrowing their space, but we can't pray for every manufacturing job in Ohio City to leave to be replaced by housing. That's not sustainable. Edited March 25, 20196 yr by imjustinjk
March 25, 20196 yr I hear ya. I just picture a near-unceasing row of mid-rise buildings along the south side of Detroit, facing north toward the lake and Whiskey Island, with restaurants and shops along their ground floors. I think would make for a very vibrant street and be a great look while passing by on Detroit or Edgewater Parkway. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 25, 20196 yr 1 minute ago, KJP said: I hear ya. I just picture a near-unceasing row of mid-rise buildings along the south side of Detroit, facing north toward the lake and Whiskey Island, with restaurants and shops along their ground floors. I think would make for a very vibrant street and be a great look while passing by on Detroit or Edgewater Parkway. I love housing development as much as the next person on this forum, but the idealist urban planner in me would rather have complete neighborhoods that offer housing and employment options from the poorest to the richest. Our city still relies a lot of manufacturing jobs [although not to the extent it once did]. I guess, to me, its not always about the shiny new mixed-use buildings. I like projects like Church & State or Market Square because they're replacing a poor use (suburban style shopping center and a parking lots) with a much better use. I'm uneasy about the replacement of solid manufacturing jobs with housing. But I'm not surprised Voss is leaving, and the building could be really cool housing.
March 25, 20196 yr BTW, Church + State is replacing a parking lot. Market Square is replacing a strip shopping center. And yes, I consider a low-rise, largely window-less manufacturing plant along Detroit Avenue and Edgewater Parkway to be unsightly and not the highest and best use of this land. I feel the same about the new high school on Detroit, too. Although that could have been mitigated by consolidating its surface parking lot into a three-level deck with the easternmost end of the property turned over to mid-rise housing. That ship has sailed for the next 30-50 years. Let's not do the same with Kowalski, especially when a new transit-accessible industrial park is opening up just to the west of this area. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 25, 20196 yr Yeah I know Church + State and Market Square are replacing those. I wonder if Voss considered that option before looking into Berea? Also what would be incentive for Kowalski to move? I guess anything could happen for the right price. This whole stretch is really weak aesthetically with vacant spaces, car lots, and industrial spaces. I just don't think all the industrial space will be moved. Laird for the most part is an attractive building except for the half that is windowless. Are there any plans for the former gas station at W 45th - that's among the most unsightly spaces? I think that its going to take several more years before W. 25th fully connects to Gordon Square.
March 25, 20196 yr Because after this expansion, Kowalksi will likely be unable to expand further to neighboring properties, unless they demolish structures. Considering the residential real estate prices in this neighborhood, there is growing pressure for more residential real estate and more financial wherewithal to buy-out the non-residential uses. The gas station is owned by a real estate developer, as are most of the remaining used car lots along Detroit Avenue. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 25, 20196 yr Just saw on their Facebook - Joy Machines Bike Shop will be moving from W25th to 2605 Detroit (right across the street from Quarter).
March 25, 20196 yr On 2/6/2019 at 3:20 PM, KJP said: On 2/6/2019 at 3:20 PM, KJP said: West Side Market News. http://www.cleveland19.com/2019/03/25/cleveland-officials-shoot-down-investors-k-offer-renovate-rent-empty-section-west-side-market/
March 26, 20196 yr 3 hours ago, PoshSteve said: Just saw on their Facebook - Joy Machines Bike Shop will be moving from W25th to 2605 Detroit (right across the street from Quarter). Bad Tom Smith will be expanding their operations into Joy Machine's current space.
March 26, 20196 yr 12 hours ago, KJP said: If there is, it won't take long to find out. Same deal with Kowalski Heat Treating, although I think the latter is staying. He knows his metalworking but not real estate trends. The Midland Industrial Park calls.... If only the "dirt poor" CMSD could be convinced of the same strategy.
March 26, 20196 yr 16 hours ago, simplythis said: These are literally exactly the same as the Lofts as Rosetta (where I live), haha. MRN is a great company, glad to see they've made so much progress in Cleveland.
March 26, 20196 yr Re: Glazen WSM plan rebuffed by city ^^^^ What the heck is the city doing with the WSM? All I hear are complaints, new ideas and proposals from the tenants, and then nothing from the city.
March 26, 20196 yr 17 minutes ago, RMB said: Re: Glazen WSM plan rebuffed by city ^^^^ What the heck is the city doing with the WSM? All I hear are complaints, new ideas and proposals from the tenants, and then nothing from the city. Ask the same question about CPP and the Airport. The city has no business being in public markets, power, or aviation businesses, so what are they really doing there?
March 26, 20196 yr 22 minutes ago, RMB said: Re: Glazen WSM plan rebuffed by city ^^^^ What the heck is the city doing with the WSM? All I hear are complaints, new ideas and proposals from the tenants, and then nothing from the city. What I've heard is the management of the market is where the city stores the less than competent relatives of the influential. They dislike change.
March 26, 20196 yr A small development on one of my favorite streets in Cleveland....... http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2019/03282019/index.php Case 19-010: Ohio City Historic District (Concept 3/14/19) 1745 West 31st Place New House Construction Ward 3: McCormack Project Representative: Kevin Robinette, Architect Edited March 26, 20196 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 26, 20196 yr I agree with Jeff on the parking lots, but this may be one of the few places left in Cleveland where a vibrant industry co-exists with a vibrant neighborhood. I'm going to miss the energy of this setting.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 26, 20196 yr I personally know 6 people that work out at my gym who work at Voss... this might have a bit of a ripple on local businesses
March 26, 20196 yr Luckily there is a bunch of brand new office space going in across the street. I'd trade 250 jobs for 300+ residents, and I think local businesses like the gym might make that trade as well. Maybe a developer could add office space on that parking lot across the street. While it's too bad to lose existing manufacturing jobs, it probably makes sense for manufacturing plants to be located on less-expensive land.
March 26, 20196 yr Why does it seem like almost every new house on the west side looks like Swedish public housing, but more cheaply done? And what's up with that weird pergola?
March 26, 20196 yr 32 minutes ago, YABO713 said: I personally know 6 people that work out at my gym who work at Voss... this might have a bit of a ripple on local businesses At least in the short term. I would bet that the Voss buildings alone, if converted to residential, would probably be able to accommodate 100-200 residents. Then the parking lots, if developed with residential, would probably see dozens of new housing units. And I think there would be some retail/restaurants along the ground floor facing West 25th. But it will take a while before the economic/fiscal benefits from the Voss-owned properties to at least return to even. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 26, 20196 yr 51 minutes ago, RMB said: Luckily there is a bunch of brand new office space going in across the street. I'd trade 250 jobs for 300+ residents, and I think local businesses like the gym might make that trade as well. Maybe a developer could add office space on that parking lot across the street. While it's too bad to lose existing manufacturing jobs, it probably makes sense for manufacturing plants to be located on less-expensive land. It's an issue though that Cleveland isn't trying to retain these businesses at least somewhere within their city limits.
March 26, 20196 yr 14 minutes ago, imjustinjk said: It's an issue though that Cleveland isn't trying to retain these businesses at least somewhere within their city limits. I'm not doubting the possibility that the City isn't working hard enough to retain them, but also keep in mind that there's a significant lack of quality warehouse real estate within the city limits. It's been a problem for a few years (probably because warehouses are frequently torn down for housing developments in high-demand neighborhoods). That's why it's kind of a big deal that Weston plans to build some new office/warehouse buildings at Madison & Berea.
March 26, 20196 yr As someone who works in government (I do not work for Cleveland) it's not as easy as you guys think, particularly when you don't have inventory that fits that companies needs. In this region at the moment you have two issues (if you want to call them ssues). One, there is low vacancy in the industrial market, in fact it's historically low. Two, which is the effect of the first, the properties that are available are typically the bottom of the barrel properties that need tons of updating (ex. higher bay doors). As you can imagine most of those properties are in Cleveland because that is where the older stock is. So ya, could the city be slacking? Maybe. But in reality it doesn't matter if the inventory and requirements a company is looking for just doesn't exist. Typically industrial isn't looking to make huge investments in old properties. Furthermore, Cleveland has a glut of industrial properties in comparison to residential or commercial uses. This isn't 1950, those properties, though productive from a GDP standpoint are not as productive from a property value or income producing standpoint of say converting that same old property to a rental or condo building that adds probably as many taxpayers and increases the property values for the city and county and also reduces the wear of the roads around the building because large trucks are no longer frequenting the street. It's not that the city isn't trying hard enough. It's quite possible they're going in a different direction and their direction isn't maintaining or adding new industrial uses. Which by the way is the direction they went for decades and we know how that worked out. Like I said, I work for the government. What's said in private and what plays out in the paper is never the full truth or the full story, usually to the detriment of the government's side. Edited March 26, 20196 yr by KFM44107
March 26, 20196 yr I understand the concern about Voss moving but I would think the current employees that are Ohio City residents will remain so, I mean Berea is like what 12 miles away?
March 26, 20196 yr 6 hours ago, E Rocc said: What I've heard is the management of the market is where the city stores the less than competent relatives of the influential. They dislike change. They use the airport for that, too
March 27, 20196 yr On 3/26/2019 at 2:13 PM, ydard said: Why does it seem like almost every new house on the west side looks like Swedish public housing, but more cheaply done? And what's up with that weird pergola? I wish we would would get some designs like "Swedish public housing". https://www.archdaily.com/570903/jaja-wins-second-prize-for-affordable-housing-and-market-hall-hybrid-in-katrineholm
April 2, 20196 yr On 2/16/2019 at 10:13 PM, KJP said: I was just touring around another website that was found not too long ago by another user on this website, but we may have a future look on what this development may look like. With different stain of course. This is the Mjøstårnet. It is the tallest timber building in the world, just recently finished and built in Brumunddal, Norway. It reminded me of the Market Square building we'll be constructing. Not as tall, but definitely makes it up in street presence & darker a e s t h e t i c s. Found this on https://skyrisecities.com/ It has plenty of news, projects under construction, concepts, and finished projects all around the world. A big thing about this website shows the approach of other cities approach to architecture, their construction methods, and final outcomes of such megastructures. The only problem is that Cleveland doesn't have much of an image on this website yet. The only major thing I've noticed about Cleveland on the website is the praise we get for our RTA system. It needs to be way more than that. We need to show them what we're building and none of it's on there yet.
April 2, 20196 yr Word is that Snavely will be building more units on the south side of detroit between 26th and 28th. If the vibrator company project happens, that might mean 4 sizable residential development projects on adjacent blocks under construction at the same time. Edited April 2, 20196 yr by RMB
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