2 hours ago, w28th said:

Another Vocon snoozer.

 

It must be efficient to build - Washington DC is full of this look also.

1 hour ago, KJP said:

I'm glad to see that they're going all the way to the corner of West 28th with this. I had assumed, based on the parcel lines, that they would stop short of it. Maybe someday we'll see something built just south of this. Even a parking deck would be better than a surface lot.

 

 

That surface lot is gross. Hate how it wipes out the entire frontage of 28th behind the building.  Between all the various uses, this thing has a crap ton of parking. I'd happily lop off the top floor if it meant the SW corner of the block could remain developable.

Given how densely developed this neighborhood is becoming, that surface parking lot is the antithesis to it. I have no doubts as to whether it will be used. I'm sure it will be, but perhaps not so much by the tenants of Phase 3. And that's the biggest problem I see here. If this neighborhood is going to be Cleveland's Brooklyn, then build a deck here with some retail frontage on 28th and design the deck so it can be built on top of.

Edited April 19, 20196 yr by KJP

I think the design looks pretty good. Mostly brick, and it manages to avoid trying to look like 5 buildings which is a plus. I'd love if the parking was below-grade but it being affordable likely precludes that.

I like it. Really adds in the density in the area. I also like that they have interior parking on the first floor. That will make it more tenable in the future to build over at least part of the surface lot, since it wouldn't totally be removing parking from the building. I imagine they would have put underground parking too, like they did across the street, but if the main point of this building is to be affordable, I'm sure that was impossible. We all know how expensive parking is, especially underground.

It will be nice to see some activity around this little building next to Riverview, should be a nice tie-in to the eventual Park next door.

 

Ohio City Welcome Center

Sudanese designer Malaz Elgemiabby is partnering with LAND studio to convert a former community center at the Cuyahoga Metropolitan Housing Authority's Riverview Terrace into a welcome center to better serve, and reflect, the diverse population in Ohio City.

 

https://www.crainscleveland.com/special-report-cuyahoga-river-reborn/cleveland-foundation-projects-celebrate-art-rebirth

 

Some new images of the Market Square project at Landmarks, mostly elevation stuff. Almost 800k sq ft...that's huge! And what looks to be a pool on the roof of the residential.

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2019/04252019/index.php

 

 

8 minutes ago, freethink said:

Some new images of the Market Square project at Landmarks, mostly elevation stuff. Almost 800k sq ft...that's huge! And what looks to be a pool on the roof of the residential.

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2019/04252019/index.php

 

 

I believe Market Square has its own thread now.

14 minutes ago, freethink said:

Some new images of the Market Square project at Landmarks, mostly elevation stuff. Almost 800k sq ft...that's huge! And what looks to be a pool on the roof of the residential.

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2019/04252019/index.php

 

 

Those West 48th street townhouses are really interesting.  Not your run of the mill for Cleveland.

2 hours ago, Htsguy said:

Those West 48th street townhouses are really interesting.  Not your run of the mill for Cleveland.

 

OK, I'll post 'em......

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

^Those are cool. Who is the developer?

1 hour ago, Pugu said:

^Those are cool. Who is the developer?

Keystate Homes. Really cool folks out of Levin College. 

9 hours ago, Clevecane said:

Keystate Homes. Really cool folks out of Levin College. 

 

Locally grown talent? Cool. Let me guess... You're part of the team?

36 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

Locally grown talent? Cool. Let me guess... You're part of the team?

That would be nice—I’d get myself a new house. ?

 

No, just people I met in school there. 

I am really digging that site plan and design for the W 48th homes. I hope the block club doesn't interfere too much here.

Such a welcome contrast to the trite blech put up by Knez. Hope these folks can make this happen.

2 hours ago, YO to the CLE said:

I am really digging that site plan and design for the W 48th homes. I hope the block club doesn't interfere too much here.

 

They literally adjoin my backyard. I’m in full support.

 

I’m personally not a fan of the modern white look and think they age poorly, but I hope these get built. 

2 hours ago, YABO713 said:

 

They literally adjoin my backyard. I’m in full support.

 

 

The developer is lucky that this project isn't within the boundaries of the Franklin-Clinton block club.

I like the designs. The materials leave a little to be desired between the "CONCREAT" and "FROSTER GLASS".

I'm not a fan of the site plan at all. It is essentially a cul-de-sac. I'm intrigued by the architecture, but the renderings are a bit ridiculous. What's with the oddly elongated shadow people and the 1920's era skeletal race car? it is not easy to understand how these will actually look once they are constructed because the renderings are a bit fantastical and do not show the neighboring structures. KJP included the better images, but the rest of the images that are on the city planning agenda page are not realistic.  http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2019/04252019/index.php

 

 

I think the site plan would be more what is known as a mews- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mews

CPC rendering:

 

 

 

As built:

 

 

 

 

 

Knowing the development team, this has little chance of being built as designed.

19 minutes ago, w28th said:

Knowing the development team, this has little chance of being built as designed.

I guess I am a little confused by this. 

On 4/24/2019 at 9:54 PM, Htsguy said:

I guess I am a little confused by this. 

To add to W28th comment that caused some confusion, if you take a look at the developers's website, specifically their portfolio and "current projects" page and I think it is understandable as to why some people, myself included, are skeptical of the project being built as designed.

Edited April 26, 20196 yr by andrew0816

Here are larger pics of the Snavely phase 3 project at 2601-2719 Detroit Avenue. Taken from this week's landmark agenda.

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2019/05092019/index.php

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 4/19/2019 at 11:20 AM, KJP said:

Given how densely developed this neighborhood is becoming, that surface parking lot is the antithesis to it. I have no doubts as to whether it will be used. I'm sure it will be, but perhaps not so much by the tenants of Phase 3. And that's the biggest problem I see here. If this neighborhood is going to be Cleveland's Brooklyn, then build a deck here with some retail frontage on 28th and design the deck so it can be built on top of.

 

If its affordable housing, hard to fathom how a parking deck + ground floor retail could pay for itself. 

^I don't know what retail rents are like in Ohio City these days, but in hotter markets. the retail can help pay for affordable units up above, let alone itself. 

4 hours ago, StapHanger said:

^I don't know what retail rents are like in Ohio City these days, but in hotter markets. the retail can help pay for affordable units up above, let alone itself. 

Right now, in this area, I imagine the residential would subsidize the retail, if anything. Transitional area still. 

Just now, marty15 said:

Right now, in this area, I imagine the residential would subsidize the retail, if anything. Transitional area still. 

With more density; Church & State, Franklin Circle, the plethora of other maybes that KJP has cited, that’ll certainly change. 

Re: Snavely new construction - Units are not affordable, they will be Market Rate.  The office space will be for the Snavely Group itself. 

16 minutes ago, RMB said:

Re: Snavely new construction - Units are not affordable, they will be Market Rate.  The office space will be for the Snavely Group itself. 

 

The new building yes. The renovation of the Painters Union building will be eight apartments renting at 80% of AMI.

Read this story. https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/cleveland/11-million-dollar-development-on-clevelands-west-side-delayed-by-nesting-birds/95-c2c4252a-6627-4a44-a292-2cdc73a56dee

On 3/22/2019 at 10:14 PM, KJP said:

 

 

FRIDAY, MARCH 22, 2019

Ohio City's Kowalski bucks housing trend

 

A stretch of Detroit Avenue in Cleveland's Ohio City neighborhood, once known as Mariners' Row for its many boat dealers and boating stores, is quickly becoming home to a number of mid-rise apartment buildings. From The Quarter, Federal Knitting Mills, Mariner's Watch, Edge 32, to the latest and largest project yet -- Church + State -- more than a dozen blocks of Detroit Avenue next to the West Shoreway (now Edgewater Parkway) are lined with apartment buildings from four to 11 stories tall.

A notable exception is a holdout manufacturer, Kowalski Heat Treating Co., that has grown from 3,000 square feet to 83,000 square feet during its 44 years, adding nearly 23,000 square feet just in the past week.

 

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/03/ohio-citys-kowalski-bucks-housing-trend.html

 

v Old news ? ^

 

One Ohio City company exits, another expands

https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/one-ohio-city-company-exits-another-expands

There's a For Sale sign in front of A1 Luxury Cars at the corner of West 49th and Detroit. Hopefully it gets redeveloped into something other than a used car lot! 

Agreed!

 

 

Free Parking, it's a constitutional right!

I’m not sure I get the complaints. Do any other side streets in OC have meters?

I don't see a problem with free parking. If people feel that it gets abused by people staying in one spot forever, then have a machine that prints out a time stamped slip to put in your window. Make it 2 hours max free parking, an extra hour cost you money. Parking meters on a side street is problematic. 

The Big Egg reduced its hours. Only

open to 3pm now. Wonder if he regrets not taking the $ now?

 

SUNDAY, MAY 19, 2019

Mid-rise housing on Detroit Ave heads west

 

 

Housing continues to make its inexorable push westward along Detroit Avenue in Cleveland's Ohio City neighborhood. The latest project is 4005 Detroit, a seven-story apartment building with ground-floor retail. Plans for the project were recently submitted to the city for approval.

Proposing the 36-unit residential development is Hayoun Corp. owner Adam Hayoun whose Ohio City resume includes notable historic renovations like the Belden Seymour House, 3805 Franklin Blvd., and the Masters House, 3811 Franklin Blvd. Hayoun is also the principal at ABC Renovation LLC.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/05/mid-rise-housing-on-detroit-ave-heads.html

I am very Familiar with the people behind that proposal. As far as I know, they have never undertaken new construction before, but they are very bullish on OC, and have diverted more or less all of their resources that way. In addition to what you list, they have a number of rehab projects along Lorain as well. While they may not have experience in new construction yet, they definitely have access to money and investors. 

 

18 hours ago, KJP said:

 

SUNDAY, MAY 19, 2019

Mid-rise housing on Detroit Ave heads west

 

 

Housing continues to make its inexorable push westward along Detroit Avenue in Cleveland's Ohio City neighborhood. The latest project is 4005 Detroit, a seven-story apartment building with ground-floor retail. Plans for the project were recently submitted to the city for approval.

Proposing the 36-unit residential development is Hayoun Corp. owner Adam Hayoun whose Ohio City resume includes notable historic renovations like the Belden Seymour House, 3805 Franklin Blvd., and the Masters House, 3811 Franklin Blvd. Hayoun is also the principal at ABC Renovation LLC.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/05/mid-rise-housing-on-detroit-ave-heads.html

 

CANNOT WAIT FOR NIMBY "MY COMMUNITY IS NOT YOUR COMMODITY" reactions

28 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

 

CANNOT WAIT FOR NIMBY "MY COMMUNITY IS NOT YOUR COMMODITY" reactions

That sign is always next to "all are welcome here" signs. 

19 hours ago, KJP said:

SUNDAY, MAY 19, 2019

Mid-rise housing on Detroit Ave heads west

 

Housing continues to make its inexorable push westward along Detroit Avenue in Cleveland's Ohio City neighborhood. The latest project is 4005 Detroit, a seven-story apartment building with ground-floor retail. Plans for the project were recently submitted to the city for approval.

Proposing the 36-unit residential development is Hayoun Corp. owner Adam Hayoun whose Ohio City resume includes notable historic renovations like the Belden Seymour House, 3805 Franklin Blvd., and the Masters House, 3811 Franklin Blvd. Hayoun is also the principal at ABC Renovation LLC.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/05/mid-rise-housing-on-detroit-ave-heads.html

 

Nice! I remember townhomes were planned for 4005 Detroit a couple years ago. They were listed on MLS for a second, then disappeared. With all the development nearby I assumed the project would come back much bigger.

 

 

 

^ Good memory - I completely forgot about that proposal. 

I like the higher density of apartments or condos along Detroit, so its nice that the townhomes didn't go through. 

 

Also, does anyone know what is happening at 2104 W. 25th, a former appliance/furniture store? It looks like something is being done to the top, but I'm not sure. 

Edited May 20, 20196 yr by imjustinjk

1 hour ago, imjustinjk said:

I like the higher density of apartments or condos along Detroit, so its nice that the townhomes didn't go through. 

 

Also, does anyone know what is happening at 2104 W. 25th, a former appliance/furniture store? It looks like something is being done to the top, but I'm not sure. 

Maron Residence by aodk

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2018/01252018/index.php