4 minutes ago, lafont said:

You mean the little piece will not be added to re-connect W. 28th to the southern part of the circle - right?

 

Yep, I thought that was the main reason for making this into a roundabout.

I really don’t get the point of the traffic circle.  They will be eliminating a 4way stop with traffic lights.  If the lights are gone People are going to blow through this thing and make speeding down franklin even worse

7 minutes ago, Pigmeat said:

I really don’t get the point of the traffic circle.  They will be eliminating a 4way stop with traffic lights.  If the lights are gone People are going to blow through this thing and make speeding down franklin even worse

 

By its design it’ll be impossible to blow through it. You’ll need to go ~20 mph unless you want to wreck your car.

Many in the neighborhood and Ohio City Inc are very dissapointed in this design and lots of feedback at public meetings has been ignored.  Drawings show removing of stops signs and crosswalks at Church Ave. intersection, very wide traffic lanes, unprotected bike lanes that will likely be used as driving lanes.  

Is it too late for people to still bring this up at the public meeting at the church?

Hingetown: Sponsored by Snavely Group. Not that I'm complaining, I'm really loving how bullish they are on this neighborhood, especially for an exurban firm. I wonder how long before they relocate their own HQ into one of their own developments?

45 minutes ago, lafont said:

Is it too late for people to still bring this up at the public meeting at the church?

 

Probably depends on what you want changed tbh.

 

Even though I’m a resident, I don’t have experience with the city to know how they take public comments however.

I absolutely love traffic circles. People don’t “blow” through them. They’re not racing a yellow light. They have to actually slow down more than the 35mph to negotiate the turn. They’ve worked forever in Europe, yet we’re deathly afraid of them here, and they’re pretty nonexistent. They’re super efficient and safer than any traffic light/stop sign intersection.

Edited September 14, 20195 yr by marty15

The Van Sweringens certainly liked them, so they constructed five on the East Side.  I want to see it in Ohio City for the historical connection.  Nothing else quite like it in The city, either.  The traffic calming aspect is fine, too.

Building the "bathtub" at Casto's Dexter Place development at Fulton-Franklin (site of the future traffic circle discussed above). Note the "construction deer"...

 

 

Edited September 14, 20195 yr by KJP

If the roundabout between Steelyard, a freeway, and Tremont can work, then this one can work as well.

14 minutes ago, originaljbw said:

If the roundabout between Steelyard, a freeway, and Tremont can work, then this one can work as well.

Seriously. Franklin isn’t exactly a main, or busy thoroughfare. Though I’ll use it more after this is complete!

The fact that you think that roundabout works leads me to think you never use it.  Every damned time I use it someone is doing something stupid there.  It's a constant near accident.

I loathe that roundabout by steelyard lol

9 minutes ago, X said:

The fact that you think that roundabout works leads me to think you never use it.  Every damned time I use it someone is doing something stupid there.  It's a constant near accident.

 

X,  I use that roundabout all the time and much more prefer them to red lights. They’re also a lot safer.

 

https://www.acsengineers.com.au/2016/08/22/roundabouts-vs-traffic-lights/

35 minutes ago, X said:

The fact that you think that roundabout works leads me to think you never use it.  Every damned time I use it someone is doing something stupid there.  It's a constant near accident.

Probably has something to do with you if something happens every time, just saying. 

28 minutes ago, stpats44113 said:

 

X,  I use that roundabout all the time and much more prefer them to red lights. They’re also a lot safer.

 

https://www.acsengineers.com.au/2016/08/22/roundabouts-vs-traffic-lights/

 

But worse for pedestrians and bikes.

52 minutes ago, sfbob said:

Probably has something to do with you if something happens every time, just saying. 

 

Somebody stopping at a yield in front of me with no traffic in the roundabout has nothing to do with me.  Somebody in the roundabout stopping for traffic entering the circle has nothing to do with me.  Somebody failing to yield to traffic in the circle has nothing to do with me.  Somebody being in the inner lane and trying to turn across, or being in a turn lane and continuing on has nothing to do with me.  These are all things I see in that damned circle on regular basis. 

1 hour ago, Mendo said:

 

But worse for pedestrians and bikes.

 

This was my first thought too. The design makes walking routes longer and requires trusting drivers to yield without a red light, which is a mixed bag in a place so completely auto dominated like CLE. And I bet most of the people saying how great this design is mean only that they enjoy not having to stop while driving their car.

 

But in fairness, I couldn’t find much in the research lit suggesting round abouts are actually more dangerous for peds and bikes than signalized intersections. And if it’s only one lane feeding in from every street and in the circle, it’s much less chaotic than some other circles out there. 

 

Its pretty clear, tho, this is a change designed for cars and has nothing to do with restoring the original circle, as I had mistakenly thought at one pint. 

Panzica-Veysey venture could be leader for key site owned by Cuyahoga County

 

Bridgeworks LLC, a joint venture led by Michael Panzica, a principal of Hemingway Development of Cleveland, and Graham Veysey, a progenitor of Ohio City's Hingetown area, is the leading prospect to snare a site that Cuyahoga County is shedding.

 

That's the word according to three sources familiar with the situation, including one who said the project may bring "multiple hundreds" of additional apartments to the site at the northeast corner of West 25th Street and Detroit Avenue.

 

https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/panzica-veysey-venture-could-be-leader-key-site-owned-cuyahoga-county

9 minutes ago, Clefan98 said:

Panzica-Veysey venture could be leader for key site owned by Cuyahoga County

 

Bridgeworks LLC, a joint venture led by Michael Panzica, a principal of Hemingway Development of Cleveland, and Graham Veysey, a progenitor of Ohio City's Hingetown area, is the leading prospect to snare a site that Cuyahoga County is shedding.

 

That's the word according to three sources familiar with the situation, including one who said the project may bring "multiple hundreds" of additional apartments to the site at the northeast corner of West 25th Street and Detroit Avenue.

 

https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/panzica-veysey-venture-could-be-leader-key-site-owned-cuyahoga-county

Seems like other developers are learning from Stark's mistakes (or in reality already knew this because they are much brighter) and don't comment on developments until the equipment is on site digging

2 hours ago, Clefan98 said:

Panzica-Veysey venture could be leader for key site owned by Cuyahoga County

 

Bridgeworks LLC, a joint venture led by Michael Panzica, a principal of Hemingway Development of Cleveland, and Graham Veysey, a progenitor of Ohio City's Hingetown area, is the leading prospect to snare a site that Cuyahoga County is shedding.

 

That's the word according to three sources familiar with the situation, including one who said the project may bring "multiple hundreds" of additional apartments to the site at the northeast corner of West 25th Street and Detroit Avenue.

 

https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/panzica-veysey-venture-could-be-leader-key-site-owned-cuyahoga-county

 

I really hope they maintain the existing subway infrastructure along that side of Detroit, and design the site plan in such a way that future subway access would still be possible. I realize the a Detroit-Superior subway/streetcar is unlikely to happen anytime soon, but I sure would like to see it again in the future. I wouldn’t want anything about this development to make that even harder. 

Edited September 15, 20195 yr by Boomerang_Brian
Correction of autocorrect fail

Glad to see Crain's finally catching up... ?

 

June:

http://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/06/seeds-sprouts-ii-early-intel-on-real.html?m=1

July:

http://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/07/here-come-clevelands-mid-rises.html?m=1

 

 

Edited September 15, 20195 yr by KJP

1 hour ago, KJP said:

Glad to see Crain's finally catching up... ?

 

June:

http://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/06/seeds-sprouts-ii-early-intel-on-real.html?m=1

July:

http://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/07/here-come-clevelands-mid-rises.html?m=1

 

 

WOW!!!!

As to "blue" vs. "gray," it definitely looks gray when in the shade right now.  I'll conceive a bluish charcoal.  Today they're in the midst of painting highlights in gold.  Very sharp looking.  Is the work on the other house on hold?  Both being turned into luxury apartments by the same developer?

 

 

Edited September 16, 20195 yr by lafont

I love the 2 old beauties. Grateful the near west side didn’t suffer the loss of these like the east side did. 

 

Love how Franklin Circle/Hingetown neighborhoods are coming together.

Edited September 16, 20195 yr by marty15

2 hours ago, lafont said:

As to "blue" vs. "gray," it definitely looks gray when in the shade right now.  I'll conceive a bluish charcoal.  Today they're in the midst of painting highlights in gold.  Very sharp looking.  Is the work on the other house on hold?  Both being turned into luxury apartments by the same developer?

 

 

I do hope a porch is added to the Sanford House  too.  Not the same design, of course.  Railings, columns, etc. Should be at least a little different.  Can anyone post a photo of this Sanford House with original porch?  Overall image here fantastic but in reality porch might be a bit too Colonial, or Neo-Classical.

Edited September 16, 20195 yr by lafont

3 minutes ago, lafont said:

I do hope a porch is added to the Sanford House  too.  Not the same design, of course.  Railings, columns, etc. Should be at least a little different.  Can anyone post a photo of this Sanford House with original porch?  Overall image here fantastic but in reality porch might be a bit too Colonial, or Neo-Classical.

I'm a bit uneasy about all this very detailed painting going on with this part of the house yet the back part still red.  Could it possibly be that whole section will be demolished?  Strange, indeed....

Edited September 16, 20195 yr by lafont

3 hours ago, lafont said:

I'm a bit uneasy about all this very detailed painting going on with this part of the house yet the back part still red.  Could it possibly be that whole section will be demolished?  Strange, indeed....

 

The plans, including colors, were brought to Landmarks:

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2018/10112018/index.php 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2018/10252018/index.php 

 

(Probably posted up-thread as well.)

 

TLDR: They are keeping the back section and the porch is pretty close to the original one.

Edited September 16, 20195 yr by Litening

Thanks!

7 hours ago, Litening said:

 

The plans, including colors, were brought to Landmarks:

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2018/10112018/index.php 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2018/10252018/index.php 

 

(Probably posted up-thread as well.)

 

TLDR: They are keeping the back section and the porch is pretty close to the original one.

21 hours ago, KJP said:

Glad to see Crain's finally catching up... ?

 

June:

http://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/06/seeds-sprouts-ii-early-intel-on-real.html?m=1

July:

http://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/07/here-come-clevelands-mid-rises.html?m=1

 

 

WOW

8 hours ago, Litening said:

 

The plans, including colors, were brought to Landmarks:

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2018/10112018/index.php 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2018/10252018/index.php 

 

(Probably posted up-thread as well.)

 

TLDR: They are keeping the back section and the porch is pretty close to the original one.

Very interesting.  I'm glad they changed their plan to match the existing paint and came out with something more striking.  And now I know the front section is to be offices. And what of the other mansion?

FYI these are two different projects even though they are next to each other.  Other red one is getting the full historical treatment due to some preservation funding they are using.  The whole building will be apts vs. the mix of office space in blue one.

Interesting.  I noted it was not on the Landmarks Commission Agenda. There's been work going on there too but not as progressed - at least on the exterior. The houses will be fabulous. The only thing that would make it better, imho, would be other high quality Victorians to the west, but there still the others nearby.  Really looking forward to the Circle and the Dexter apartments too.  I'd like to see more density in that vicinity.

On 9/16/2019 at 10:06 AM, lafont said:

Interesting.  I noted it was not on the Landmarks Commission Agenda. There's been work going on there too but not as progressed - at least on the exterior. The houses will be fabulous. The only thing that would make it better, imho, would be other high quality Victorians to the west, but there still the others nearby.  Really looking forward to the Circle and the Dexter apartments too.  I'd like to see more density in that vicinity.

 

The Rhodes Mansion was discussed at a later meeting:

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2019/04112019/index.php

 

More info on the county land at 25th and Detroit:

 

'Cuyahoga County proposes selling Ohio City land for 200 apartments, retail'

 

"CLEVELAND, Ohio — A development featuring 200 apartments and retail is slated for county-owned land near Veterans Memorial Bridge in Ohio City if Cuyahoga County Council signs off the sale of the parcels.

The 1.6 acres at the northeast corner of West 25th Street and Detroit Avenue is now home to a garage and test lab for the Department of Public Works. The county proposes to sell the parcel for $4.15 million to Bridgeworks LLC, one of two bidders."

 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2019/09/cuyahoga-county-proposes-selling-ohio-city-land-for-200-apartments-retail.html

 

Some positive bits of into from the article:

 

"The property, known as the Bridge Garage and Engineers Test Lab, includes an access point for the lower level of the Veterans Memorial Bridge and a century-old ticket booth building, both of which the developer intends to keep intact, Public Works Director Michael Dever said."

Edited September 18, 20195 yr by mrclifton88

7 minutes ago, mrclifton88 said:

More info on the county land at 25th and Detroit:

 

'Cuyahoga County proposes selling Ohio City land for 200 apartments, retail'

 

"CLEVELAND, Ohio — A development featuring 200 apartments and retail is slated for county-owned land near Veterans Memorial Bridge in Ohio City if Cuyahoga County Council signs off the sale of the parcels.

The 1.6 acres at the northeast corner of West 25th Street and Detroit Avenue is now home to a garage and test lab for the Department of Public Works. The county proposes to sell the parcel for $4.15 million to Bridgeworks LLC, one of two bidders."

 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2019/09/cuyahoga-county-proposes-selling-ohio-city-land-for-200-apartments-retail.html

 

Some positive bits of into from the article:

 

"The property, known as the Bridge Garage and Engineers Test Lab, includes an access point for the lower level of the Veterans Memorial Bridge and a century-old ticket booth building, both of which the developer intends to keep intact, Public Works Director Michael Dever said."

Exciting news 

Another Ohio City manufacturer sets a move:

 

Cleveland Vibrator Co., a decades-long resident of Cleveland's Ohio City neighborhood, has sold its building and land-rich surroundings at 2828 Clinton Ave. for $3 million, according to Cuyahoga County land records, to a joint venture that includes principals of developer-builder Snavely Group of Chagrin Falls.

 

https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/another-ohio-city-manufacturer-sets-move?ite=102849&ito=1153&itq=3ae4ef52-89be-4a89-87fd-d0ce87abf204&itx[idio]=7085189

 

As reported by KJP NEOTrans Blog Article previously.

Edited September 21, 20195 yr by Larry1962

This is old news.

On 9/15/2019 at 7:21 PM, lafont said:

As to "blue" vs. "gray," it definitely looks gray when in the shade right now.  I'll conceive a bluish charcoal.  Today they're in the midst of painting highlights in gold.  Very sharp looking.  Is the work on the other house on hold?  Both being turned into luxury apartments by the same developer?

 

 

My kind of home!

18 hours ago, MyTwoSense said:

My kind of home!

Saw it yesterday, when it looked blue again - this chameleon!.... The back part was painted too now do the full footprint of the building is clear. the business sign is out now too.  Glad the main entrance door was refinished rather than painted red, as the plans had shown.

Snavely Group's phase three project in Hingetown tax incentive is working it way thru City Council.

 

Per Cleveland.com:

 

Tax incentives for Hingetown development project clear initial vote from Cleveland City Council

 

City Council approved an ordinance involving property owned by Snavely Group. The ordinance is the first of two steps needed to provide tax incentives to development of the property on Detroit Avenue.

The project, at West 26th Street and Detroit Avenue, is part of a $60 million makeover that Snavely Group is performing at the entrance to the Hingetown area of Ohio City.

 

The vote Monday will lead to tax incentives for the redevelopment of the Painters Union Building on Detroit Avenue running west from West 26th Street. The $23 million project will involve nearly 90 apartments, mostly market-rate but also some that are less expensive workplace housing.

 

https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cleveland.com%2Fcityhall%2F2019%2F09%2Ftax-incentives-for-hingetown-development-project-clear-initial-vote-from-cleveland-city-council.html&psig=AOvVaw1gOspi6K9g5VAlBNGJeomx&ust=1569369849141792

 

 

Edited September 24, 20195 yr by Larry1962

 

6 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

The development will grow even more around there once built. Infill on infill!

I can see the food trucks on the lawns already!

Does anyone know when Franklin Circle ceased being a traffic circle?

https://clevelandhistorical.org/items/show/535

Edited September 25, 20195 yr by lafont

On 9/24/2019 at 10:50 AM, WindyBuckeye said:

The development will grow even more around there once built. Infill on infill!

This is lovely, but I wish there was a condo, hotel, loft mixed use development with downtown views here instead.  I think this will be wonderful green space and unite the west bank and ohio city with many recreational needs.  Lets hope the programming is right.

2 minutes ago, MyTwoSense said:

This is lovely, but I wish there was a condo, hotel, loft mixed use development with downtown views here instead.  I think this will be wonderful green space and unite the west bank and ohio city with many recreational needs.  Lets hope the programming is right.

That can happen right across the street and in the neighboring area. Also not sure how feasible those plans are in this land area.

1 hour ago, WindyBuckeye said:

That can happen right across the street and in the neighboring area. Also not sure how feasible those plans are in this land area.

Not sure where across the street a development, like I described, can rise with unobstructed downtown views.

 

Anyway....thats not happening, but I hope this green space turns into a popular neighborhood gathering spot that social media ready!

6 minutes ago, MyTwoSense said:

Not sure where across the street a development, like I described, can rise with unobstructed downtown views.

 

Anyway....thats not happening, but I hope this green space turns into a popular neighborhood gathering spot that social media ready!

See Franklin Circle, Hingetown Area, RTA land, and more coming. May not be your perfect development, but there are are mixed used areas being built. It would be nice to have for sale condos and hope to happen soon. This park will be a gamechanger for connecting Ohio city to the river front and improve the neighborhood massively. I believe I saw a prospective hotel was being proposed by Bookhouse Brewing but was working on finalizing financing as well.

Edited September 26, 20195 yr by WindyBuckeye