January 8, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, X said: "The Slate" is in Gordon Square/Detroit Shoreway: Yes. He mentioned he’d be in that area.
January 9, 20205 yr So the Landmarks agenda shows improvements coming to the Westside Market/Produce building. The render shown is from the year 2000 from the White Admin. Kind of odd. Case 20-001: West Side Market 1979 West 25th Street Outdoor Produce Arcade Entrance Improvements Ward 3: McCormack Project Representatives: Carter Edman, Joshua Gross, Division of Architecture and Site Development
January 9, 20205 yr 21 hours ago, freethink said: So the Landmarks agenda shows improvements coming to the Westside Market/Produce building. The render shown is from the year 2000 from the White Admin. Kind of odd I don't find this odd at all. Our city leadership is devoid of vision. They react to things. So someone probably had to dig this out of a file to react to the bad press about the WSM last week.
January 10, 20205 yr Some interesting quotes towards the end about city zoning. Developer proposes townhome-style apartments in Ohio City Posted: 4:58 PM, Jan 09, 2020 Updated: 6:39 PM, Jan 09, 2020 By: Jordan Vandenberge CLEVELAND — A well-established developer who has completed numerous projects in Ohio City has proposed building a three-story, townhome-style apartment building near West 48th Street and Franklin Boulevard. Although the project still faces additional oversight and approvals by the city’s Board of Zoning Appeals and Landmarks Commission, the developer is optimistic the project can materialize relatively quickly. Chad Kertesz of My Place Group has proposed building 24 one bedroom and studio apartments, amounting to 12,000 square feet of total living space. The property, which is located at 4815 Franklin Blvd, would be wedged between a church on a the corner and a single family home to the west. It sits in the Franklin Blvd Historic District. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/developer-proposes-townhome-style-apartments-in-ohio-city Edited January 10, 20205 yr by MuRrAy HiLL
January 10, 20205 yr 4 hours ago, MuRrAy HiLL said: Some interesting quotes towards the end about city zoning. Developer proposes townhome-style apartments in Ohio City Posted: 4:58 PM, Jan 09, 2020 Updated: 6:39 PM, Jan 09, 2020 By: Jordan Vandenberge CLEVELAND — A well-established developer who has completed numerous projects in Ohio City has proposed building a three-story, townhome-style apartment building near West 48th Street and Franklin Boulevard. Although the project still faces additional oversight and approvals by the city’s Board of Zoning Appeals and Landmarks Commission, the developer is optimistic the project can materialize relatively quickly. Chad Kertesz of My Place Group has proposed building 24 one bedroom and studio apartments, amounting to 12,000 square feet of total living space. The property, which is located at 4815 Franklin Blvd, would be wedged between a church on a the corner and a single family home to the west. It sits in the Franklin Blvd Historic District. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/developer-proposes-townhome-style-apartments-in-ohio-city I spoke with Chad about this today. He's encouraging everyone who supports this project to show up at the BZA meeting on Monday at 9:30am. Edited January 10, 20205 yr by Clefan98
January 11, 20205 yr 4 hours ago, Clefan98 said: I spoke with Chad about this today. He's encouraging everyone who supports this project to show up at the BZA meeting on Monday at 9:30am. UO needs to form a lobbying group... and, host a mayoral debate on real estate and economic development... ?
January 11, 20205 yr 38 minutes ago, lockdog said: UO needs to form a lobbying group... and, host a mayoral debate on real estate and economic development... ? That's actually not a bad idea.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 11, 20205 yr 20 minutes ago, KJP said: That's actually not a bad idea.... 59 minutes ago, lockdog said: UO needs to form a lobbying group... and, host a mayoral debate on real estate and economic development... ? maybe then we could actually make changes to the Westside Market.
January 11, 20205 yr The article about the Kertez proposed development at west 48th is essentially an infomercial by the developer. There are some major inaccuracies in it.
January 11, 20205 yr He also legally can’t get a front yard variance, Franklin has a 10’ mapped setback in this area, so there’s no way the project can even be approved at BOZA on Monday. It will take an act of City Council to get the current site plan approved. They’re wasting their time.
January 11, 20205 yr 23 minutes ago, w28th said: He also legally can’t get a front yard variance, Franklin has a 10’ mapped setback in this area, so there’s no way the project can even be approved at BOZA on Monday. It will take an act of City Council to get the current site plan approved. They’re wasting their time. He can build past the mapped setback if it's adjacent to a non conforming structure like the church next door, but it has to angle back toward the setback line 100(?) feet away. Judging by the odd angle this building sits in the renderings, I wonder if that's what they were trying to do. Surprised they got dinged with a variance notice for that. Edited January 11, 20205 yr by Mendo
January 11, 20205 yr Great historic building, just wish it had a spire rather than that 'Marge Simpson' bullcrap ?
January 11, 20205 yr 9 hours ago, Mendo said: He can build past the mapped setback if it's adjacent to a non conforming structure like the church next door, but it has to angle back toward the setback line 100(?) feet away. Judging by the odd angle this building sits in the renderings, I wonder if that's what they were trying to do. Surprised they got dinged with a variance notice for that. Cant do the triangulation method from a corner building, even if you could go past a mapped setback (which you can’t).
January 11, 20205 yr ^you may have a point about the nonconforming use. Mapped setback negates it I think though.... Edited January 11, 20205 yr by w28th
January 11, 20205 yr This kinda reminds me of the Little Italy apartment development on Cornell Road that got nixed by the city around last May or so. In his year-end review of Cleveland architectural news for Sunday's PD, Steven Litt* was still pretty salty over that one. Total aside--while I enjoy Litt's work and appreciate that he consistently promotes density, I can't help but think that his many years at the PD have resulted in too much of the Feagler/Larkin doom and gloom mindset rubbing off on him. In nearly every article, he has to mention how Cleveland is a "shrinking, post-industrial city." I don't need him to be a cheerleader, but he could at least take a look at some of the (many) positive trends that have been lining up for the past decade here in Cleveland. Edited January 11, 20205 yr by Down_with_Ctown
January 11, 20205 yr It almost never really has anything to do with the context of the article. I’m tired of it, maybe an email or two could spark some recognition of this lame perspective.
January 11, 20205 yr 17 minutes ago, Down_with_Ctown said: This kinda reminds me of the Little Italy apartment development on Cornell Road that got nixed by the city around last May or so. In his year-end review of Cleveland architectural news for Sunday's PD, Steven Litt* was still pretty salty over that one. Total aside--while I enjoy Litt's work and appreciate that he consistently promotes density, I can't help but think that his many years at the PD have resulted in too much of the Feagler/Larkin doom and gloom mindset rubbing off on him. In nearly every article, he has to mention how Cleveland is a "shrinking, post-industrial city." I don't need him to be a cheerleader, but he could at least take a look at some of the (many) positive trends that have been lining up for the past decade here in Cleveland. Did that article actually give an update as to status of the Cornell apartment project. It was initially rejected by Landmark as you note but a revised concept (scaled down a bit) was eventually approved. However NIMBYS (and more likely landlords afraid of competition) appealed the Landmark approval to the Board of Zoning Appeals and the hearing was held on November 11, 2019. I have been hunting the internet for the Board's decision in regards to the appeal but can find nothing. Have also posted two or three times in the Little Italy thread inquiring about the decision but no forum member has ever responded with an answer. I even called the Board of Zoning Appeals a couple of times to find out but gave up when I got voice mail both times. Did Litt's article discuss this or did it just lament the initial reject back in May?
January 11, 20205 yr 40 minutes ago, w28th said: It almost never really has anything to do with the context of the article. I’m tired of it, maybe an email or two could spark some recognition of this lame perspective. I didn't care for that either. I'm glad I'm not the only one. I wish he'd see this.
January 13, 20205 yr An interesting tidbit of info from the recent Crain's Cleveland article on Hemingway principal Michael Panzica on starting his own development business: "Panzica not only sets up shop with top-drawer contacts in government and real estate, but also some significant potential pieces of business. The largest is the contract with several investor-partners to buy from Cuyahoga County the old bridge garage property at the northwest corner of Veterans Memorial Bridge, midway between the Stonebridge apartments and condos and the 2-year-old Quarter apartments. The design for the 200-suite structure with some first-floor commercial space is in flux, so Panzica wouldn't discuss its height other than characterizing it as midrise, which means under six stories. It's expected to be a $40 million project." https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/hemingway-principal-michael-panzica-exits-start-own-real-estate-development-firm It's exciting to hear some momentum on this project! I'll be curious to find out more once design progresses and it becomes more solid. 6-stories with an active ground floor here is really exciting though! Edited January 13, 20205 yr by urbanetics_
January 13, 20205 yr Wow. Just... wow. Scumbag move from Bobby George here and clear cut cronyism with David Bowen. I had not yet seen it posted anywhere that George's group bought the vacant building at the corner of Detroit and West 25th. It sounds like he essentially swooped in to purchase the property (despite ongoing talks between the LAND group and property owners along the strip). He is now extorting the city for ~10x the price so that they can proceed with the Irishtown Bend Project unobstructed. I've been a vocal critic of Cleveland Scene for their negativity but they certainly took George to task here. https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2020/01/13/bobby-george-says-hell-develop-parcel-on-west-25th-he-bought-that-was-intended-to-be-part-of-irishtown-bend-riverfront-park Complete garbage and utterly shameful display of greed from Bobby George. Will not be attending any of their establishments anytime soon. Edited January 13, 20205 yr by BJBaes
January 13, 20205 yr The site lacks parking to meet the building code. The developer needs a variance to get a building permit. When the developer doesn't get one, he'll sue the city. They'll probably settle out of court, the developer will get paid & the park will get built. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 13, 20205 yr 4 minutes ago, KJP said: The site lacks parking to meet the building code. The developer needs a variance to get a building permit. When the developer doesn't get one, he'll sue the city. They'll probably settle out of court, the developer will get paid & the park will get built. So it's basically a cash grab by Bobby George who will effectively provide a kickback to his "developer," Richard Bowen & Associates - uncoincidentally affiliated with the Chairman of City Planning, David Bowen. Something stinks here... Edited January 13, 20205 yr by BJBaes
January 13, 20205 yr I remember us discussing this purchase last year. In my mind it was very strange on George's part because it was clear the land was going to be used for the park eventually and all the city (or whatever governmental entity is moving forward with Irishtown bend park) has to do is file an eminent domain action to obtain the property The second phase of such an action (once it is determined that it qualifies as a public use which is pretty clear here) is determining fair market value (usually by the testimony of real estate experts). It looks like George, with his purchase just a year ago, pretty much established fair market value in this arm length transaction (in other words his purchase price). Basically he should be paid what he paid for it last year. Maybe a slight appreciation or maybe the city can get an expert to testify that he over paid because the property could not be developed due to the parking situation. Maybe he loses money, especially after paying the lawyers. Edited January 13, 20205 yr by Htsguy
January 13, 20205 yr ^I think his calculation is that he can rattle his litigation saber enough about the valuation step to get the county to settle at a higher price than he paid. He could also argue (reasonably) that the lot is worth quite a bit more now given the development interest in Ohio City and the further advancement of the park plans. The guy is clearly an awful person to engage in such a naked shakedown and to lie with such a straight face. I can't imagine being so greedy to confuse legality with ethics.
January 13, 20205 yr ^ I've felt all along that the strip of lots along W25th and above Irishtown Bend should remain low-rise commercial while providing a cut-out or two to access the park. Steve Litt said that those lots are unstable, precluding construction - well, that didn't stop folks a hundred years ago building on them. The taxes on these lots could pay for the maintenance on the very-slightly diminished park. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
January 14, 20205 yr On 1/9/2020 at 4:38 PM, Cleburger said: I don't find this odd at all. Our city leadership is devoid of vision. They react to things. So someone probably had to dig this out of a file to react to the bad press about the WSM last week. They were making upgrades to security and durability of the doors. The photo was being used as context as to how the current doors came to be. It was supposed to be a replace in-kind project but after some design review they made additional changes. There are additional photos that show those changes.
January 14, 20205 yr A1 Automotive on Detroit between 50th and 48th is moving. I've long heard that the property owners wanted to develop the parcel. Hoping that's the case!
January 14, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, YABO713 said: A1 Automotive on Detroit between 50th and 48th is moving. I've long heard that the property owners wanted to develop the parcel. Hoping that's the case! Where are they moving? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 14, 20205 yr 15 minutes ago, KJP said: Where are they moving? Hopefully somewhere south of I480
January 14, 20205 yr 59 minutes ago, YO to the CLE said: Hopefully somewhere south of I480 Um no, hopefully remaining in the city of Cleveland and not another loss of business to the suburbs.
January 15, 20205 yr 13 minutes ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said: Um no, hopefully remaining in the city of Cleveland and not another loss of business to the suburbs. A large section of Brookpark Rd., on the north side, from 176 to the airport, are within Cleveland city limits FYI
January 15, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said: Um no, hopefully remaining in the city of Cleveland and not another loss of business to the suburbs. Cleveland has enough shabby used cars dealers, some of which are nothing more than money launderers. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 15, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, marty15 said: A large section of Brookpark Rd., on the north side, from 176 to the airport, are within Cleveland city limits FYI Brookpark Rd is parallel to 480. I doubt the poster means along Brookpark Rd stating "south of 480" But this digresses from the subject at hand.
January 15, 20205 yr 8 minutes ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said: Brookpark Rd is parallel to 480. I doubt the poster means along Brookpark Rd stating "south of 480" But this digresses from the subject at hand. Regardless, it’s positive progress. It’d be like arguing against Sherwin-Williams going on Public Square cause it would displace a revenue generating parking lot.
January 15, 20205 yr 15 hours ago, KJP said: Where are they moving? They're moving to the 3700 block of Fulton The A1 lot currently has a sign up marketing the property, which I'm excited about. The Big Egg parcels would have already been developed if not for some BS by property owners.
January 15, 20205 yr 21 hours ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said: Um no, hopefully remaining in the city of Cleveland and not another loss of business to the suburbs. Do you foresee a big market for questionable, "zero credit required" used luxury car lots in the suburbs?
January 16, 20205 yr 3 hours ago, BJBaes said: Do you foresee a big market for questionable, "zero credit required" used luxury car lots in the suburbs? Don't underestimate the demand from the residents of Linndale. You could drive off with a "gently used" car and get a ticket before you're done with your test drive. Edited January 16, 20205 yr by infrafreak
January 16, 20205 yr I thought the old Daniels Furniture was supposed to be a Pins bowling alley + 16-Bit gaming joint? Or is this a partnership name? Board of Zoning Appeals JANUARY 27, 2020 9:30 Calendar No. 19-306: 1880 West 25th Street Ward 3 Kerry McCormack 21 Notices The Goat My Place LLC., owner, proposes to establish use as a 23,700 square foot bar and gaming facility in a C4 Local Retail Business District and a Pedestrian Retail Overlay District (PRO). The owner appeals for relief from the strict application of the following sections of the Cleveland Codified Ordinances: 1. Section 343.01 which states that amusement and recreation use is not permitted in a Local Retail Business District, first permitted in a General Retail Business District per section 343.11(b)(2)(L). 2. Section 347.12(a)(1) which states that no amusement or recreation use may be located within 500 feet of a residence district. 3. Section 349.04(e) which states that an accessory, off-street parking area equal to three times the gross floor area is required. Per section 343.23(i), this amount may be reduced by one third in a Pedestrian retail Overlay District, resulting in a required parking area of 47,400 square feet: no parking area is provided. (Filed December 4, 2019) http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/agenda/2020/crr01-27-2020.pdf "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 16, 20205 yr 6 minutes ago, KJP said: I thought the old Daniels Furniture was supposed to be a Pins bowling alley + 16-Bit gaming joint? Or is this a partnership name? Looks to be registered to Chad and Svetlana Kertesz if that gives any context. Edited January 16, 20205 yr by infrafreak added both names
January 16, 20205 yr It is supposed to be pins, but needs a variance. The block groups are discussing it
January 16, 20205 yr On 1/29/2019 at 1:49 PM, KJP said: Board of Zoning Appeals FEBRUARY 4, 2019 9:30 Calendar No. 19-008: 2512 Church Ave. Ward 3 Kerry McCormack 16 Notices Schmaltz Church Street Holdings, owner, proposes to establish use as a restaurant in a D3 Local Retail Business District. The owner appeals for relief from the strict application of Section 349.04(f) which states that 11 parking spaces are required based on the number of employees and the area dedicated to patron use, but no parking is proposed. (Filed January 9, 2019) What is the current status of this project?
January 16, 20205 yr 18 minutes ago, infrafreak said: Looks to be registered to Chad and Svetlana Kertesz if that gives any context. OK, I see they are submitting the variance request under the name of their project-specific LLC rather than the proposed tenants. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 16, 20205 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 16, 20205 yr On 3/19/2019 at 12:43 PM, KJP said: It's sad seeing this old church in such bad condition. But it's wonderful news that it's on track to be renovated! Case 19-009: Ohio City Historic District First Reformed Church 1944 West 32nd Street Renovation and Addition for Welsh Academy St. Ignatius High School Ward 3: McCormack Project Representatives: Mykie Hrusovski, DLR Group, Architects More pics at the link below: http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2019/03142019/index.php Some progress pictures of this renovation...
January 16, 20205 yr That opened-up backside of the church freaked out my wife when she saw it. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
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