June 14, 20196 yr My bet is Hemingway maxes out the height district there. The Quarter across the street leased out to above 90% in a year. This site will have even better views. Yesterday I passed through the Detroit-West 25th intersection at rush hour and it was a lovely sight to see so many pedestrians and cyclists here. I can only imagine what it will be like with the Engineer's corner developed as well as the Irishtown Bend park to the south. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 14, 20196 yr ^Just imagine the sight if that intersection weren't such an auto-dominated hellscape!
June 14, 20196 yr It's much better than it was, after the county got rid of the higher-speed turning lanes, reconfigured the intersection of Main-Washington-West 25th, added a bike lane across the Detroit-Superior bridge, added sidewalks to the west side of West 25th, and put a bike path next to it that curves along the south side of the ramps to the West Shoreway. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 14, 20196 yr 13 hours ago, KJP said: My bet is Hemingway maxes out the height district there. The Quarter across the street leased out to above 90% in a year. This site will have even better views. Yesterday I passed through the Detroit-West 25th intersection at rush hour and it was a lovely sight to see so many pedestrians and cyclists here. I can only imagine what it will be like with the Engineer's corner developed as well as the Irishtown Bend park to the south. 37 minutes ago, StapHanger said: ^Just imagine the sight if that intersection weren't such an auto-dominated hellscape! 13 minutes ago, KJP said: It's much better than it was, after the county got rid of the higher-speed turning lanes, reconfigured the intersection of Main-Washington-West 25th, added a bike lane across the Detroit-Superior bridge, added sidewalks to the west side of West 25th, and put a bike path next to it that curves along the south side of the ramps to the West Shoreway. The narrowing of 25th around Detroit is another reason why I think the Irishtown Bend project is such a key transitional project for the city. The huge park along the river is just icing on the cake?
June 17, 20195 yr Ohio City to Get a Combined 16-Bit and Pins Mechanical Co. The Daniels Furniture store (1882 W. 25th St.) across the street from Mitchell’s Ice Cream will become the site of a combined 16-Bit and Pins Mechanical Co. The ambitious construction project will result in a multi-level 28,000-square-foot complex with indoor and outdoor spaces. Allen adds that the concepts not only are larger, but more diversified. There are the duckpin bowling lanes, but also 40 pinball machines, foosball, ping-pong and indoor and outdoor bocce. https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2019/06/17/ohio-city-to-get-a-combined-16-bit-and-pins-mechanical-co
June 17, 20195 yr Glad to see Scene expound upon my scoop. ? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 17, 20195 yr I go to Italy for 8 days... Come home to see a crane on Franklin and Church and State above the ground... wowzer.
June 18, 20195 yr Gee, it even includes snow removal. Imagine if every neighborhood in Cleveland did this...Suburbanites would be banging down the doors to move into the city! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 18, 20195 yr The "Development" threads are for just that- "Development". They are not for complaining about neighborhood safety issues.
June 18, 20195 yr Activity in and around Brickhaus site lately, not sure if it has anything to do with the proposed project.
June 18, 20195 yr 14 minutes ago, freethink said: Activity in and around Brickhaus site lately, not sure if it has anything to do with the proposed project. They can't build anything because no plans have been sent to the city and no permits have been issued. They don't even own all the property necessary to build. Ray C. Hauk & Sons Painters still owns their tiny shed and the tiny property on which it sets at 1932 Moore St. Edited June 18, 20195 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 18, 20195 yr 21 minutes ago, KJP said: They can't build anything because no plans have been sent to the city and no permits have been issued. They don't even own all the property necessary to build. Ray C. Hauk & Sons Painters still owns their tiny shed and the tiny property on which it sets at 1932 Moore St. Yeah I figured that, I was just wondering though if maybe the city was doing some utility work in preparation for.
June 18, 20195 yr The city has been digging up stuff all around that area for a few weeks, so I bet it is just part of that.
June 19, 20195 yr Good article! Glad to see Crain's finally getting around to covering this story! ? Ahem... https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/05/seeds-sprouts-early-intel-on-real.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 19, 20195 yr I was searching back through this topic and saw talk of a boutique hotel around January, is there any movement on that? Just thinking, it really seems like OC could support a hotel...
June 19, 20195 yr On 6/12/2019 at 9:47 PM, KJP said: WEDNESDAY, JUNE 12, 2019 Seeds & Sprouts II - Early intel on real estate projects This is the second edition of Seeds & Sprouts - Early intelligence on Cleveland-area real estate projects. Because these projects are very early in their process of development or just a long-range plan, a lot can and probably will change their final shape, use and outcome. Ohio City: Hemingway favored to acquire county land The former Cuyahoga County Engineer's headquarters property at the west end of the Veterans Memorial Detroit-Superior bridge is recommended to be sold to Hemingway Development, a county source said. The property, at 2429 Superior Viaduct, went on the market in an open-bid request for proposals (RFP) last winter. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/06/seeds-sprouts-ii-early-intel-on-real.html UPDATE -- this councilmanic action will make this site the full 2 acres (or at least 1.6 developable acres)..... Resolution No. 704-2019(Ward 3/Councilmember McCormack): Declaring the intent to vacate a portion of the Detroit Superior Viaduct and a portion of Detroit Avenue; and to repeal Resolution No. 1130-18, adopted October 15, 2018. http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2019/06212019/index.php Edited June 19, 20195 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 22, 20195 yr I took my kids to the Detroit Superior Bridge tour today (which was great) and afterwards stuck my head in the Ohio City Galley Food Hall on the Detroit W25th intersection. It looks very nice. Curiosity took me down the stairs towards the old subway station. After one flight, it has a “construction entrance only” fence. Is there something being worked on in the old subway station or the lower level of the building? Edited June 22, 20195 yr by Boomerang_Brian When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
June 22, 20195 yr 2 minutes ago, Boomerang_Brian said: I took my kids to the Detroit Superior Bridge tour today (which was great) and afterwards stuck my head in the Ohio City Galley Food Hall on the Detroit W25th intersection. It looks very nice. Curiosity took me down the stairs towards the old subway station. After one flight, it has a “construction entrance only” fence. Is there something being worked on in the old subway station or the lower level of the building? The county is doing work to the underside of Detroit Avenue at/near West 25th. It's why the tour today didn't allow people to walk to and beyond the junction of the Detroit and West 25th lines, which was possible during prior subway/bridge tours. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 23, 20195 yr 2 minutes ago, KJP said: The county is doing work to the underside of Detroit Avenue at/near West 25th. It's why the tour today didn't allow people to walk to and beyond the junction of the Detroit and West 25th lines, which was possible during prior subway/bridge tours. Thanks, that makes sense. One of the volunteers mentioned something about a water main break and how it was being worked on one section at a time. This was our first Detroit subway tour so I didn’t realize what we were missing. I’m hoping the project on the county land there maintains the ability to have subway access in the future. It’d be great to use that bridge for what it was meant for - streetcars. I made my kids write “subway” on the “what should we do w the lower level of the bridge?” comment boards that were set up at both ends of the bridge. ? When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
June 23, 20195 yr Speaking of the word "subway"...did you notice it above the old subway entrance in the the United Bank Building (the one with the Ohio City Galley Food Hall)? BTW, of all the views and angles of the Detroit-Superior Bridge, this is one of my favorites and perhaps least documented. It's a very urban, non-touristy bridge viewpoint.. Edited June 23, 20195 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 24, 20195 yr Market Avenue, a one-way street with maybe five parking spaces along it, will permanently temporarily close to vehicular traffic starting July 1 between West 25th street and West 26th. Edited June 25, 20195 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 24, 20195 yr Was in town for a wedding this weekend and met up with some friends who just moved into the Quarter. Check this out: there's always a free keg of beer there for residents at the pool. Really cool huh?
June 24, 20195 yr 51 minutes ago, KJP said: Market Avenue, a one-way street with maybe five parking spaces along it, will permanently close to vehicular traffic starting July 1 between West 25th street and West 26th. Nice! Next, lets get the street extended to 28th and get those lots built on?
June 24, 20195 yr They aren't wasting any time.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 25, 20195 yr 6 hours ago, viscomi said: Nice! Next, lets get the street extended to 28th and get those lots built on? Don't be surprised if you see some developments on the lots just south of Lorain right here be announced within the year.
June 25, 20195 yr I was just thinking that looking while looking at google maps, that corner would be ripe for more development!
June 25, 20195 yr 19 hours ago, KJP said: Market Avenue, a one-way street with maybe five parking spaces along it, will permanently close to vehicular traffic starting July 1 between West 25th street and West 26th. Glad this happened. The street is redundant/useless. We need more pedestrian only streets in the city.
June 25, 20195 yr 3 minutes ago, imjustinjk said: Glad this happened. The street is redundant/useless. We need more pedestrian only streets in the city. I think 29th North of Church south of Detroit should be the next domino to fall in this progression
June 25, 20195 yr 13 hours ago, tj111 said: Don't be surprised if you see some developments on the lots just south of Lorain right here be announced within the year. I'd be surprised. Those lots are owned by Ignatius.
June 25, 20195 yr 22 minutes ago, Mendo said: I'd be surprised. Those lots are owned by Ignatius. Wouldn't be surprised if he was referring to Ignatius doing something. If we are talking about the parking lots of course.
June 25, 20195 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 25, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, KFM44107 said: Wouldn't be surprised if he was referring to Ignatius doing something. If we are talking about the parking lots of course. Yup. I know of a couple proposals that have been actively pursued by the school
June 25, 20195 yr 29 minutes ago, YABO713 said: Yup. I know of a couple proposals that have been actively pursued by the school Would these be expansions of the school or were they looking build something for sale/use/whatever by the general public?
June 25, 20195 yr There's good reason to be dubious about this street closure -- it frequently kills business. http://downtowndevelopment.com/pdf/americanpedmallexperiment.pdf I suppose we will see.
June 25, 20195 yr There's a big difference between the street closures/downtown malls of the 1970s and 80s and this. Most of those were principal streets with no transportation alternatives of scale provided to make up for the loss of access. This is a side street with almost no traffic, where businesses do not depend on it for their livelihood. In fact, in this case, I would agree with OCI that the occasional presence of a car detracts from the enjoyment of this street as a place. Where can a street go from being a pipeline for cars to being a place? This is one of them. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 25, 20195 yr 1 minute ago, KJP said: There's a big difference between the street closures/downtown malls of the 1970s and 80s and this. Most of those were principal streets with no transportation alternatives of scale provided to make up for the loss of access. This is a side street with almost no traffic, where businesses do not depend on it for their livelihood. In fact, in this case, I would agree with OCI that the occasional presence of a car detracts from the enjoyment of this street as a place. Where can a street go from being a pipeline for cars to being a place? This is one of them. East 4th street also fits into this category and is doing just fine.
June 25, 20195 yr Agreed about large scale pedestrian malls, but many smaller pedestrian only areas have been incredibly successful. Especially when paired with high quality retail or pedestrian amenities. See: east fourth street in cleveland, pearl alley in Columbus, ludlow street in Columbus, or post alley in Seattle. These were all thin, secondary streets converted to pedestrian areas, rather that the conversion of many main streets that proved to be unsuccessful.
June 25, 20195 yr I don’t think flying fig or glbc will be hurting from this shut down. In fact like E4th, it may attract more pedestrians.
June 25, 20195 yr I'd say it's too small an area to matter either way. As someone said upthread, now they need to push Market Ave. though the next block and build on that parking lot. And in the longer term, maybe they reconfigure the produce stands and extend Market Ave all the way past the WSM and though any development on the WSM parking lots.
June 26, 20195 yr Five Northeast Ohio projects win Ohio Historic Preservation Tax Credit awards Tinnerman Steel Range Co., Cleveland: The Dalad Group, a Cleveland-based developer, won nearly $1.7 million in tax credits for a planned $17 million rehabilitation of a vacant manufacturing building at 2048 Fulton Road in Ohio City. The project will convert the building into 53 apartment units. A separate component of the project calls for repairing three houses on Fulton Road that sit across the street and next to the Tinnerman building. MORE: https://www.cleveland.com/business/2019/06/five-northeast-ohio-projects-win-ohio-historic-preservation-tax-credit-awards.html Ohio City: Dalad Group submits plans for Tinnerman Buildinghttps://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/06/seeds-sprouts-ii-early-intel-on-real.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 26, 20195 yr On 6/25/2019 at 8:54 AM, YABO713 said: I think 29th North of Church south of Detroit should be the next domino to fall in this progression Yes, this would be a great little area. I’m here a lot to play trivia at Saucy, and I love the Jukebox. On 6/25/2019 at 1:14 PM, ydard said: There's good reason to be dubious about this street closure -- it frequently kills business. http://downtowndevelopment.com/pdf/americanpedmallexperiment.pdf I suppose we will see. I disagree that it would kill businesses. A lot of these side streets are extremely redundant. Market Street is a tiny one way street literally a stone throw away from Lorain. The street is also closed throughout the year for a variety of events which benefit the businesses. Making the street more safe and open to pedestrians will bring more business to Great Lakes, Flying Fig and Koffie Cafe. I’ve been to Europe, Israel, and South America. A lot of those places have swaths of entire cities closed to traffic, or longer stretches of a single road. I know this is ~America land of the automobile and suburban sprawl~ though. But some of my favorite tourist spots that I remember the most were pedestrian areas where I could spend the day shopping and eating and going into little galleries. Flower Street in Curitiba and Nahalat Binyamin in Tel Aviv are both pedestrian only, and super amazing. The same can be said about E. 4th in Cleveland. It’s one of the city’s best attractions. Same with Old River Rd in the flats, which will be even better when it’s further built up.
June 29, 20195 yr Snavely Phase 3 is moving along nicely through Landmarks Commission. A small demo wasn't enough to slow it. http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2019/06272019/index.php "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 4, 20195 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 6, 20195 yr More progress on Snavely Phase 3. Next stop, BZA.... Calendar No. 19-141: 2615 Detroit Ave. Ward 3 Kerry McCormack 18 Notices TEG Properties, owner, proposes to erect a 75,251 square foot, five story retail and residential building with 114 space garage and surface parking area in a D3 Local Retail Business and a Pedestrian Retail Overlay District (PRO). The owner appeals for relief from the strict application of the following sections of the Cleveland Codified Ordinances: (Filed June 18, 2019) 1. Section 355.04 which states that in a "D" area district, gross floor area of residential building cannot exceed the square footage of the lot. 75,251 square foot floor area is proposed on 57,095 square foot lot. 4 | P a g e 2. Section 357.05 (a) which states that a side street yard of five feet is required, none provided. 3. Section 352.10 which states that a six foot wide landscaped frontage strip is required where the parking lot abuts the street, and a landscaping plan is required, none provided. 4. Section 341.02 which states that approval from the Cleveland Landmarks Commission is required. (Filed June 14, 2019) http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/agenda/2019/crr07-15-2019.pdf "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 7, 20195 yr Crap -- Stan beat me to this story. This project was going to be in my Seeds & Sprouts column on my blog.... July 07, 2019 04:00 AM UPDATED 8 HOURS AGO Apartment projects would renovate two city corners STAN BULLARD More than 60 apartments are bound for Cleveland's Near West Side in two projects, including one that will raze the building that's home to Old Fashion Hot Dogs at 4008 Lorain Ave. Most West Siders, however, know the diner that's been operating since 1928 as the Hot Dog Inn. Its hot dog roller in the front window and the blade sign above it are as much a landmark in Ohio City as the West Side Market. Real estate developer Chad Kertesz is preparing to launch the formal city planning process next month for an as-yet-unnamed four-story building holding 40 suites on the corner. He said in a phone interview on Tuesday, July 2, that he has a contract to buy the building housing the diner and has owned the tiny, empty building at 4004 Lorain since last year. MORE: https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/apartment-projects-would-renovate-two-city-corners Edited July 7, 20195 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 7, 20195 yr Bullard: “Most West Siders, however, know the diner that's been operating since 1928 as the Hot Dog Inn. Its hot dog roller in the front window and the blade sign above it are as much a landmark in Ohio City as the West Side Market” Wut? When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
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