I never noticed that they added a slide to the add on project at 28th and Detroit



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15 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said:

I never noticed that they added a slide to the add on project at 28th and Detroit



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The Mayor of Hingetown must love slides.

did we ever confirm what is going in there? I tried googling but to no avail. I walked by the other day and the inside was still all metal studs everywhere. seemed to be waiting for wiring and stuff since I didn't see that at all.

46 minutes ago, dwolfi01 said:

did we ever confirm what is going in there?

 

It's going to be a fried fish restaurant, according to Doug Katz.

I believe this is the first time we’re seeing what the new OHC farms building will look like

I believe this is the first time we’re seeing what the new OHC farms building will look like

I didn't understand why the glass portion (the best part of the design imo) will have to be a part of the second phase. Did I miss something?


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🥳  Market Avenue to be permanently closed starting this Friday!! 🥳

 

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CwlahojPgg6/

 

Edit:

 

Cleveland Scene article on the topic:

 

City to Close Market Avenue To Cars Permanently Starting This Week

 

"In a triumphant win for urbanists and most Ohio City businesses, City Hall made the decision to close Market Avenue to car traffic permanently starting Friday, September 1st.

 

...

 

The eight, 15-minute parking spots that previously existed on Market—those that, Small said, were abused—will effectively be transferred to increased metered parking on West 26th Street, where delivery trucks will be assigned to load and unload. Such replacement sits in line with what Ohio City Incorporated had been proposing for years, and what some skeptics saw as a plausible business deterrent."

 

https://www.clevescene.com/news/city-to-close-market-avenue-to-cars-permanently-starting-this-week-42654668

^ lol it’s about time. very good.

Cleveland taxpayer dollars at risk? Invoices, payments for Ohio City project raise concerns from city auditors

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2023/09/cleveland-taxpayer-dollars-at-risk-invoices-payments-for-ohio-city-project-raise-concerns-from-city-auditors.html

 

Me thinks there is much more to this story….

On 9/9/2023 at 8:19 AM, Pigmeat said:

Cleveland taxpayer dollars at risk? Invoices, payments for Ohio City project raise concerns from city auditors

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2023/09/cleveland-taxpayer-dollars-at-risk-invoices-payments-for-ohio-city-project-raise-concerns-from-city-auditors.html

 

Me thinks there is much more to this story….

 

 

Huh. Cleveland.com seems to be implying that Bibb had the economic development director fired because she did a little too much prying into someone that Bibb may have been connected to. I took some journalism classes in college and its clear how careful cleveland.com is treading from the relationship of Bibb and Hartnett (only saying Bibb was a "patron" of Harness Cycle), saying,  "Today, the Vitrolite building is opening a window into how Cleveland’s Economic Development Department operates – or fails to – in the era of Mayor Justin Bibb." and "In the wake of internal audit’s memo, Jackson sent a June 12 letter that, among other things, demanded full repayment of the city loan. Mayor Justin Bibb fired Jackson three days later, without explanation."

 

Do you think cleveland.com is correct in what they're implying? And also, why isn't the county cooperating? They may have paid for the same invalid invoices that the city paid for. It sounds like Hartnett was really trying to pull one over on the city many times and sounds like only Jackson--who was fired--was the only one who had a sense that something fishy was going on. But her firing buts anyone else on warning not to dig deeper.

My problem with this article is it's a lot of speculation. Even the auditor's memo doesn't seem to reach conclusions.  Having some knowledge of Cleveland disburses loans, I can kind of understand what likely is happening and I don't think it's as nefarious as is implied here. 

I was under the impression that Jackson was fired due to numerous complaints from the development community, and they reached a point where the administration felt she was perhaps being needlessly combative and that her attitude could possibly impede future development in the city,  i don't think the firing was due to just one episode.  

 

Agree lots of speculation in the article, but I did like the detailed and in depth reporting which is  rare for cleveland.com

2 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

I was under the impression that Jackson was fired due to numerous complaints from the development community, and they reached a point where the administration felt she was perhaps being needlessly combative and that her attitude could possibly impede future development in the city,  i don't think the firing was due to just one episode.  

 

Agree lots of speculation in the article, but I did like the detailed and in depth reporting which is  rare for cleveland.com

It's my understanding that she was combative toward developers and businesses owners. She was also non responsive to their inquiries.  I've heard some of this albeit 2nd hand. I know of one developer who avoided reaching out to Cleveland for any financial assistance.  

I think they need to do a full investigation into Hartnett and what payments she received for this project.  

Some very prominent developers demanded she be fired, doubt it had to do with this 

With both county and city involvement, and now this article, there are a lot of adults and eyes now looking at this, a comparatively small $500k loan. 

 

I appreciate a lot of the threads that the article tried to pull, but it seemed just short of a “there” there. Certainly not something systemic. Let’s see how the next few months go as Hartnett is required to provide the required documentation to maintain the loan. 

Edited September 11, 20231 yr by brtshrcegr

 

The Amelia doesn't look like it is moving very fast on the back portion:

(9/10/2023)

 

Looks about the same since May?

 

On 5/27/2023 at 1:54 PM, sonisharri said:

The Amelia (5-27-23)

 

Even on a rainy Sunday, this whole area still had foot traffic. It felt alive.

On 9/10/2023 at 12:23 PM, freefourur said:

My problem with this article is it's a lot of speculation. Even the auditor's memo doesn't seem to reach conclusions.  Having some knowledge of Cleveland disburses loans, I can kind of understand what likely is happening and I don't think it's as nefarious as is implied here. 

 

Agreed, this article and the implications being made are a reach.

 

Also the following comment is BS: 

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Well, the only thing I can say to that is -- how was I able to view them if they weren’t provided?” Brandt said in response to Hartnett’s claim that she never submitted the invoices as payment requests. “I got them through economic development. Obviously, they were not given to (internal audit) to request disbursement, but the package I was handed by economic development -- I would presume that they would’ve produced it to receive disbursement. [Link to Article].

 

I have worked on deals that had financing from the city's economic development department and you do submit ALL development related documentation/expenses, but that does not mean everything submitted is being submitted for reimbursement. You flag the expenses eligible for reimbursement and then the city employee assigned to your deal approves or denies, but they do ask to know the total development costs as well as the break down of hard and soft costs. So it makes sense that Brandt received a package from economic development with all of those documents/expenses.

1 hour ago, andrew0816 said:

 

Agreed, this article and the implications being made are a reach.

 

Also the following comment is BS: 

 

I have worked on deals that had financing from the city's economic development department and you do submit ALL development related documentation/expenses, but that does not mean everything submitted is being submitted for reimbursement. You flag the expenses eligible for reimbursement and then the city employee assigned to your deal approves or denies, but they do ask to know the total development costs as well as the break down of hard and soft costs. So it makes sense that Brandt received a package from economic development with all of those documents/expenses.

Brandt's comment didn't make sense to me. Anne stated that she didn't submit those invoices for reimbursement not that she didn't submit them at all. I think the journalist hasn't connected the dots. Either those dots don't exist or she didn't find them.

15 hours ago, andrew0816 said:

 

I have worked on deals that had financing from the city's economic development department and you do submit ALL development related documentation/expenses, but that does not mean everything submitted is being submitted for reimbursement. You flag the expenses eligible for reimbursement and then the city employee assigned to your deal approves or denies, but they do ask to know the total development costs as well as the break down of hard and soft costs. So it makes sense that Brandt received a package from economic development with all of those documents/expenses.

 

Thanks for this clarification. Hartnett herself said as much in the preceding paragraphs but I wasn't sure what to make of it given Brandt said she "presumes" they submitted them for disbursement. This is complicated stuff, but I would have presumed an internal auditor would clarify something like this rather than making allegations based on presumptions.

1 hour ago, Jax said:

 

Thanks for this clarification. Hartnett herself said as much in the preceding paragraphs but I wasn't sure what to make of it given Brandt said she "presumes" they submitted them for disbursement. This is complicated stuff, but I would have presumed an internal auditor would clarify something like this rather than making allegations based on presumptions.

I thought the same thing. How are you, an auditor, just going to make that presumption? That’s kind of a ridiculous thing to say 

Some activity at Harbor 44 phase 2 site.

Posting late but Ohio city gallery had an auction today

^ That should be such a great site. Hopefully the coming park gives it the stability it needs. 

Condado will do well there 

Revised plans for 45 West, Ohio City Design Review today: https://assets.courbanize.com/45-west/info-plans/2df2bd8de5325226e0ab1b9efcce720b.pdf

 

Neighbors are strongly against and organized.  Should be an interesting bellwether to see if scale & reduced parking will be permitted over neighbors protests.  

 

31 minutes ago, RMB said:

Revised plans for 45 West, Ohio City Design Review today: https://assets.courbanize.com/45-west/info-plans/2df2bd8de5325226e0ab1b9efcce720b.pdf

 

Neighbors are strongly against and organized.  Should be an interesting bellwether to see if scale & reduced parking will be permitted over neighbors protests.  

 

Hope those of us in favor of density can also organize and show our support.

Just now, Clefan14 said:

Hope those of us in favor of density can also organize and show our support.

 

There is an opportunity to give feedback online via CoUrbanize: https://www.45west-oc.com/home

I am all for density but that site plan looks like a hot mess.

59 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

I am all for density but that site plan looks like a hot mess.

Good or bad: this is what happens when a portion of a community are allowed to dictate a design process. Director Huang has done a great job with expediting City Planning but needs to focus her attention on BZA, Landmarks and local design review boards next. There are TOO many people okay with being non-starters in productive conversation because they don't like a certain developer. MyPlace has come to the table with 3 variations, this is the 4th. The people against it would seemingly only okay a single family/townhouse development at this location. (the usual complaints: parking, height, pricing) This massing is directly based on those folks feedback, especially the alleyways.

I have written in support and had others write in support but there are a few key NIMBY's who push back on this/rile up the surrounding neighbors with fear mongering about parking and height. Event though there's equal sized buildings down the street and even equal sized townhomes on side streets throughout the neighborhood. Don't get me started on parking... 

2 hours ago, RMB said:

Revised plans for 45 West, Ohio City Design Review today: https://assets.courbanize.com/45-west/info-plans/2df2bd8de5325226e0ab1b9efcce720b.pdf

 

Neighbors are strongly against and organized.  Should be an interesting bellwether to see if scale & reduced parking will be permitted over neighbors protests.  

 

 

 

The neighbors are idiots. (Can I say that here? 😄). I love this project. This project would so SO GOOD for that corner and part of Ohio City. I hope such people aren't successful in preventing growth and development for their selfish purposes.

2 hours ago, Htsguy said:

I am all for density but that site plan looks like a hot mess.

It looks like that from that top view, but when I see the renderings at street view, IMO it works. 

A surprisingly "positive" (in relation to their other reviews of this project) review from OHC Design Review today for 45 West:
 

 

On the schedule for block club review - New apts on the Vibrator Co. site.

 

WOW! Approve it asap. Love me some Friday density news.

Great this is finally happening.  What I find sad however, is the emphasis they have to place on height of the buildings right up front when "marketing" the new development to the neighborhood.  I don't blame the developers.  They know they have to deal with this issue right up front.  I would rather see them emphasizing the quality of the built materials and the uniqueness of the design among other things but such is the world we live in in Ohio City and elsewhere.  The buildings are clearly height appropriate for the site but yet....  I just hope that once those W.25 parking lots by Lutheran are finally developed we see some towers and there is no pushback.

Edited September 22, 20231 yr by Htsguy

^^^  I like the "vibe."

Edited September 22, 20231 yr by urb-a-saurus

23 hours ago, Htsguy said:

I am all for density but that site plan looks like a hot mess.

Is the issue that they don't have frontage on Lorain Ave. commensurate with the area in back?

This is great very excited to have this come in. Just wish that court yard was accessible for the neighborhood but looks like they’ll have a pool so I guess I understand.

The buildings definitely seem match a similar style to The Dexter. lack of rooftop amenities is always surprising

45 West site is just odd. Almost surprised they would take this on without at least the auto site parcel on the corner. I assume the owner of the auto site didn't want to sell, which is disappointing given it's a shabby auto lot. I can at least understand the gas station not wanting to move, even if I don't like it. That said, I think the proposal is pretty good given the awkward site and all of the neighborhood complaints.

 

Vibrator Co. site proposal looks great.

3 hours ago, RMB said:

On the schedule for block club review - New apts on the Vibrator Co. site.

 

Ugh, now I’ll have to attend the block club meeting to vote in favor.

Does this need a new thread?

 

 

Ohio City’s next big apartment project
By Ken Prendergast / September 23, 2023
 

One of Ohio City’s largest development sites is located in this Cleveland neighborhood’s booming Hingetown section. So it was only a matter of time before a large development was proposed for that site at 2828 Clinton Ave., measuring nearly 2 acres. That time is coming next week when the Franklin-Clinton Block Club which includes Hingetown will get a presentation of preliminary plans for the development and offer input on it to the city’s design-review and landmark commissions.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blog/2023/09/23/ohio-citys-next-big-apartment-project/

Looks great. Now let's hope the anti-density folks in the neighborhood don't derail it or water it down to a 4 unit 2 story nothing.

Looks like a great project.  Like the design so far and fits in well.  The unanswered question in my mind at this point given the current lending environment.  Do they have the $$$ or are we going to get all giddy as they go through the approval process and then moan and groan for months/years thereafter when not one shovel of dirt is turned,

Looks good. I can't imagine that much push back. The buildings just to the south (Dexter) and north (Church and State) are just as tall.

I like the five-story building better; it has a "Cleveland" look.  The six-story building is a ho-hummer.

On 9/23/2023 at 4:23 PM, Mendo said:

Looks good. I can't imagine that much push back. The buildings just to the south (Dexter) and north (Church and State) are just as tall.

You clearly haven’t met my neighbors 

9 hours ago, Dougal said:

I like the five-story building better; it has a "Cleveland" look.  The six-story building is a ho-hummer.

 

ho-hummer?  six stories is better than five (and seven is better than six). The more units the better! And with that design, from the street, it LOOKS like five-stories as the sixth floor looks like it is set back from the street wall---probably to give a patios to the units on the sixth floor. I like the design.

3 hours ago, DinaB said:

 

ho-hummer?  six stories is better than five (and seven is better than six). The more units the better! And with that design, from the street, it LOOKS like five-stories as the sixth floor looks like it is set back from the street wall---probably to give a patios to the units on the sixth floor. I like the design.

 

Ho-hummer = bland architecture common with many other similar-sized buildings.  Nothing wrong with it; but nothing exceptional either, at least IMO.