What is this rendering from 1942? Anyone know?

 

 

 

Now this is a rendering I would like to see happen!

The 1942 rendering appears to be the NW corner of Lorain and West 25th where the park is today, and where the market was for 70 years before 1912.

Becoming a 24-hr neighborhood? Getting closer and closer..

 

West Side Market Cafe

In the mood for a late snack? We will be opening extended hours on Friday and Saturday night for our new Moonlight Menu! We will be serving breakfast & sandwiches from 11:00pm-4:00am. Starting in July 2012!!  Currently accepting applications for nightime shifts.

 

http://www.westsidemarketcafe.com/index.php/19-joomla-sample-data-articles/joomla/24-joomla

We will be serving breakfast & sandwiches from 11:00pm-4:00am. Starting in July 2012!! 

 

Sweet!

 

Now if we could just get a downtown restaurant to do that.

Nano Brew, Black Pig to open soon in Cleveland's Ohio City: Restaurant Row

 

"Coming soon" is the go-to phrase this week. A pair of much-anticipated restaurants in Cleveland are all on the brink of opening. Now, if only inspectors, licensing agencies and the final-touch crews would let them each take wing . . .

 

Energy is amping up in Cleveland's Ohio City neighborhood, with the pending opening of two new eateries. While chef-restaurateur Michael Nowak awaits final clearance at the Black Pig, 1865 West 25th St., his former employer Sam McNulty (they worked together at Bar Cento, Bier Markt and Market Garden Brewery, just up the street near West Side Market) is working double-time next door. McNulty's hustling on the finishing touches for an "imminent" (his words) opening of Nano Brew Cleveland.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/dining/index.ssf/2012/07/nano_brew_black_pig_to_open_so.html

Does anyone know if Alaturka is closed, or are they remodeling? Same goes for that Orange Blossom Press place next door. It seems to have had part of its wooden cladding ripped off. Hopefully if these places are closing, something will soon replace them. One final question. When is Mitchell's supposed to open! I want me some Christmas Ale ice cream this winter.

Does anyone know if Alaturka is closed, or are they remodeling? Same goes for that Orange Blossom Press place next door. It seems to have had part of its wooden cladding ripped off. Hopefully if these places are closing, something will soon replace them. One final question. When is Mitchell's supposed to open! I want me some Christmas Ale ice cream this winter.

 

Orange Blossom is very much open. I saw what you saw and was hoping that it is a precursor to a storefront renovation.

 

Alaturka was bought out by a neighboring future tenant that wants to double the size of a new bar that currently is being built out.

 

I too love this. But there's no way the stuff east of 25th happens, except perhaps along Lorrain, unless the public housing goes away. Not just because it's scary looking and undesirable (it is a source of crime that has deeply depressed rents along Bridge Ave past 25th for example), but also because they need parking. Unless you could make it market-rate affordable townhomes or something similar for young families who would love the chance to live in Ohio City.

 

I also love that it calls for infill up at that cooky Franklin circle intersection. That is a huge opportunity to reestablish lost sense of place imo.

^ IMHO it's not east of W. 25th, but the north end of W. 25th that has the uphill climb.

 

From what I understand the towers are comprised mostly of elderly residents, and not harboring a criminal element. While they are nothing to brag about architecturally, in big cities buildings like this are everywhere. If there were other large residential buildings around - and there SHOULD be - they wouldn't stand out so much.

 

Also it's not out of the question that the towers could get a facelift, or even better, get a redesign to better front W. 25th to allow for more retail. Same can be said for the hospital across the street...these are the pedestrian dead zones.

 

Now the projects on the north end, well they look terrible.  And just north there are the really ill-sited lakefront projects. In comparison, east of W.25th toward the LC Bridge has much much more potential. Parking will remain a sensitive issue, but there are ambitious plans floating around with large garages that would accommodate that.

^^eurokie, I'm pretty sure the only parking associated with the housing authority towers on W25th Street is the rear surface lot that remains in the rendering.  All the other surface lots in that area serve the hospital (on the west side of W25th), the West Side Market, or the retail spots on West 25th.  I don't know how viable it will be to replace these spaces with structured parking (I'm sure the merchants would throw a fit), but doesn't really have anything to do with the public housing.

 

One extremely lame aspect of that master plan is that it blocks the view of the WSM tower down Abbey Ave.  It's already partially blocked by the craptacular strip center there, but I hope any future development includes a corner plaza that opens the axis view back up.  Normally I hate corner plazas, but would be pretty sweet axis.

 

ClevelandOhio, where did you dig this thing up?

Does anyone know if Alaturka is closed, or are they remodeling? Same goes for that Orange Blossom Press place next door. It seems to have had part of its wooden cladding ripped off. Hopefully if these places are closing, something will soon replace them. One final question. When is Mitchell's supposed to open! I want me some Christmas Ale ice cream this winter.

 

Alaturka was bought out by a neighboring future tenant that wants to double the size of a new bar that currently is being built out.

 

Expanding a bit on 3231's response, the current Scene reports that Fabio Salerno's new concept for West 25th in the old Blooms Space ("Town Hall") will also fill the Alaturka space.

 

The concept for this place is definitely not what I expected though:

 

As for the concept, Salerno describes it as an all-organic, fast-casual eatery — not a regular sit-down establishment. Think healthy, fresh food like rice bowls and veggie burgers.

 

http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2012/07/11/salernos-plans-for-w-25th-grow-thanks-to-recent-purchase

The parking is nothing a well designed parking garage east of 25th street wouldn't fix. Overall I like this plan a lot. I would like to see something like the Intesa development, that is currently proposed for University Circle, be built on the east side of 25th (minus the office space). On the SE corner I would also like to see a building on a similar scale as the existing bank building across the street be built. I think this is the best area in the city for potential TOD.

 

The worst area is north of the Hospital. The west side of 25th seems like great land for midrise buildings with skyline views, but today it looks horrible along there. North of the subsidized housing buildings on the east of 25th should all be leveled and turned into the park along the river bank. Unfortunately the subsidized highrise will never go anywhere for political reasons.

Does anyone know if Alaturka is closed, or are they remodeling? Same goes for that Orange Blossom Press place next door. It seems to have had part of its wooden cladding ripped off. Hopefully if these places are closing, something will soon replace them. One final question. When is Mitchell's supposed to open! I want me some Christmas Ale ice cream this winter.

 

Alaturka was bought out by a neighboring future tenant that wants to double the size of a new bar that currently is being built out.

 

Expanding a bit on 3231's response, the current Scene reports that Fabio Salerno's new concept for West 25th in the old Blooms Space ("Town Hall") will also fill the Alaturka space.

 

The concept for this place is definitely not what I expected though:

 

As for the concept, Salerno describes it as an all-organic, fast-casual eatery — not a regular sit-down establishment. Think healthy, fresh food like rice bowls and veggie burgers.

 

http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2012/07/11/salernos-plans-for-w-25th-grow-thanks-to-recent-purchase

 

 

Thanks! Good news

The parking is nothing a well designed parking garage east of 25th street wouldn't fix. Overall I like this plan a lot. I would like to see something like the Intesa development, that is currently proposed for University Circle, be built on the east side of 25th (minus the office space). On the SE corner I would also like to see a building on a similar scale as the existing bank building across the street be built. I think this is the best area in the city for potential TOD.

 

The worst area is north of the Hospital. The west side of 25th seems like great land for midrise buildings with skyline views, but today it looks horrible along there. North of the subsidized housing buildings on the east of 25th should all be leveled and turned into the park along the river bank. Unfortunately the subsidized highrise will never go anywhere for political reasons.

 

I'm guessing this wont bode well for for the future of the west side of W. 25th.  And people were mentioning the sea of parking lots that are already serving to disconnect things.

 

I think its everything up to the woodworks bldg.  On Landmarks:

 

Ohio City Historic District

Lutheran Medical Center

2594 and 2617 Aust Avenue

1538 and 1544 West 25th Street

Demolition and parking lot expansion

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2012/07122012/index.php

 

 

I'm guessing this wont bode well for for the future of the west side of W. 25th.  And people were mentioning the sea of parking lots that are already serving to disconnect things.

 

I think its everything up to the woodworks bldg.  On Landmarks:

 

Ohio City Historic District

Lutheran Medical Center

2594 and 2617 Aust Avenue

1538 and 1544 West 25th Street

Demolition and parking lot expansion

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2012/07122012/index.php

 

Not really a big deal. Those buildings are not a big loss and I imagine it will be 15-20 years before the W. 25th dream scenario in my previous email becomes a feasible reality. If a substantial residential project is ever built between Aust and Franklin those buildings would be demolished for it anyway.

 

Alaturka was bought out by a neighboring future tenant that wants to double the size of a new bar that currently is being built out.

 

Didn't Alaturka just open a few months ago? I almost stopped there this weekend in fact. Sad to see them (or any restaurant) open and then close so quickly.

 

Been reading this forum for a while, but first time posting...

 

Just had to comment on this one...The other day, I found this vision document (see link at bottom of post) from Ohio City Incorporated.  As a neighborhood resident, I was pleased to see the TOD focus and the emphasis on remedying some of the neighborhood's obvious issues (Franklin Circle, the overabundance of surface lots fronting W. 25th, etc.).  Better yet, I believe this document was presented to the city planning commission last week.

 

So it's a little disappointing to hear that Cleveland Clinic is bulldozing yet more buildings for...wait for it...another surface lot.  I know they are a major employer in the region, but their non-profit status obligates them to act in the public interest.  And yet another soul-crushing surface lot on one of the city's most promising streets is in nobody's interest but their own.  The plan called for a healing garden and on-street development, and the clinic goes ahead and asks for a bulldozer and a surface lot.  Nice.

 

 

http://www.noaca.org/OhioCityVision.pdf

That's an interesting plan and I like most of it.  The one thing that jumped out at me was the 1/2 mile or so of W25th that becomes farmland.  While I realize that hillside is unstable, it's hard for me to accept agriculture as the highest and best use there.

Welcome joe and thanks for the link to the report!

 

I'm never psyched to see demo, and this will definitely harm the streetscape somewhat by removing more streetwall, but I was actually relieved to see that the stuff coming down is pretty junky. So near term pain, but long term shouldn't inhibit construction of an eventual garage to consolidate some of Luterhan's parking.

 

Cleveland.com has this story today:

 

West Side Market parking could become single paid lot, with validation for shoppers (take our poll)

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2012/07/west_side_market_parking.html

 

The proposal itself sounds fine to me, though the article reports a traffic consultant's finding that the only time there's really a parking shortage in the neighborhood is Saturday 11am-2pm, so "the problem" sounds pretty confined.  Not sure if people who come during this time, can't find parking, and decide never to return again (something claimed by Cimperman) know how stupid they sound. I'm also happy to hear the city is considering adjustments to on-street meter rates and times.

 

One other interesting tidbit in there:

 

And St. Ignatius High School just launched a 12- to 18-month master-planning process, after donors approached the school about building an athletic stadium on campus.

 

This sounds like a really bad idea, IMHO.  Bad for the neighborhood anyway.

This sounds like a really bad idea, IMHO.  Bad for the neighborhood anyway.

 

I dont know if i agree with that.  Hopefully the stadium would be down Lorain a bit and it could further expand the district.  thousands and thousands of people go to st. ignatius games, many live in the suburbs.  I think that helps alot of businesses out.

Well they also had this in Landmarks...  Not really even sure what it means.  Says for "renovation and mothballing?"

 

Also, Steves lunch will be going through storefront renovation.

 

Ohio City Historic District

St. Ignatius High School Wrestling Center / Alumni Center

Foursquare Church - 1944 West 32nd Street

Calvin Hall (Gibbons Hall) - 1950 West 32nd Street Foursquare Church Rectory - 1946 West 32nd Street

House and Garage - 3215 Carroll Avenue

Renovation and mothballing

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2012/07122012/index.php

This sounds like a really bad idea, IMHO.  Bad for the neighborhood anyway.

 

I dont know if i agree with that.  Hopefully the stadium would be down Lorain a bit and it could further expand the district.  thousands and thousands of people go to st. ignatius games, many live in the suburbs.  I think that helps alot of businesses out.

 

This may be a long shot, but I hope to God that the new sports facility proposal can lead to tearing down the clunky additions to the school. These are the boxy buildings adjacent to the current athletic field. It mars the views of the school. The main building, well, it's really such a beautiful structure that they should never have compromised it in that way.

 

edit: here it is...

 

The most logical location for an Ignatius football stadium would be almost directly across Lorain from their current athletic field / track.  I believe they already control the property and they could close 29th street and likely purchase and demolish a few small buildings to the East of Wendy's and the Church to make room for a stadium with no track.  I think it could be a really intimate neighborhood stadium and could interact well with Lorain if done right.

 

A secondary location could be between 29th and 31st behind the Church, but that footprint looks pretty tight for a stadium without a Church demolition or multiple home demolitions.  It will be interesting to see what they come up with.

A stadium for suburban residents to watch games? Cool -- it could be a boon the neighborhood with lots of new shops, restaurants, and services. Or, it could mean demolishing the neighborhood for large swaths of surface parking so suburbanites can get in, watch the game and get out as fast as possible without ever setting foot on a city sidewalk.

Whats wrong with their current field?

 

Whats wrong with their current field?

 

 

They currently play games off campus @ Lakewood High School.

^^^I guess I was assuming it would be more the second option.  Not convinced stadiums used that infrequently are really all that helpful to local businesses.  Though I suppose Ignatius already controls so much of the property south of Lorain is might be able to build something without much further demo.

St Ignatius now plays their home games at Byers Field in Parma, across from Parmatown (it used to be Lakewood HS). St Ed's plays at Lakewood High

This sounds like a really bad idea, IMHO.  Bad for the neighborhood anyway.

 

I dont know if i agree with that.  Hopefully the stadium would be down Lorain a bit and it could further expand the district.  thousands and thousands of people go to st. ignatius games, many live in the suburbs.  I think that helps alot of businesses out.

 

This may be a long shot, but I hope to God that the new sports facility proposal can lead to tearing down the clunky additions to the school. These are the boxy buildings adjacent to the current athletic field. It mars the views of the school. The main building, well, it's really such a beautiful structure that they should never have compromised it in that way.

 

edit: here it is...

 

 

What are those buildings used for? Could they demolish those, and put the stands there?

From what I know, and this is based on interactions several years ago, the plan would be to build a structured parking facility with ground level retail on the block currently holding Wendy's (Trinity Church remains), and then after that is constructed, a facility that is either a fieldhouse or stadium would be built on the corner of West 28th and Lorain (currently completely void of anything other than surface parking).  Could be an interesting way to bridge the gap between the Market District and Lorain Ave/parts west.

^^ The center [building] is the boiler plant, so probably not.

The center is the boiler plant so probably not.

 

Now THAT is unfortunate.

From what I know, and this is based on interactions several years ago, the plan would be to build a structured parking facility with ground level retail on the block currently holding Wendy's (Trinity Church remains), and then after that is constructed, a facility that is either a fieldhouse or stadium would be built on the corner of West 28th and Lorain (currently completely void of anything other than surface parking).  Could be an interesting way to bridge the gap between the Market District and Lorain Ave/parts west.

 

FYI that is no longer the plan. The favored plan may/probably be seen as an upgrade on the plan you mentioned.

 

FYI that is no longer the plan. The favored plan may/probably be seen as an upgrade on the plan you mentioned.

 

Can you provide more details, a link or a rendering?

What are those buildings used for? Could they demolish those, and put the stands there?

 

The building to the left of the boiler plant is the gym and fieldhouse.  The building to the right is the old gym.  Regardless, there's not room for a football stadium there.  I'd assume anything they build will seat ~10,000.

Re.St. Ignatius: word from a reliable source is that the school is considering building the new stadium on the site of the current field.  This would be a separate project from any future parking garage south of Lorain.  Much to my relief, I get the sense that school is approaching this the right way, with good designers and sensitivity to Lorain Ave in mind.  If this is true, carry on St. Ignatius.

On another matter and redirected from the Cleveland RTA thread (http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,4504.msg630677.html#msg630677), after the Cleveland Indians organization got complaints from its fans that parking has gotten too expensive or too hard to find, All Aboard Ohio urged the Tribe to consider having its vendors give a discount to fans displaying valid/current RTA passes and tickets. Alas, the Indians decided they couldn't make it work. So tomorrow, the Cleveland Indians will announce a partnership with an Ohio City parking lot (I'm told its the lot behind the West Side Market) where fans can park and use a private shuttle bus hired by the Indians to bring fans to their ballpark.

 

I thought this lot was at/near/above capacity -- especially on Saturday afternoons -- according to this story:

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,2492.msg630496.html#msg630496

 

I thought this lot was at/near/above capacity -- especially on Saturday afternoons -- according to this story:

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,2492.msg630496.html#msg630496

 

It is...but Indians games on Saturdays are at night (see list below for 1 kind of exception).  The story says the parking problem is from 11- 2 pm.

 

 

 

There is 1 4 pm start in Sept.  This might be the only game that could cause some difficulty.

1 6pm start

1 9 pm start

 

the rest are at 7 pm.

 

This will probably cut into the GLBC business.  they run their own shuttle, charge a dollar (not sure if that is one way or round trip).  But they get more than a few people who "pre-game" over there because of the shuttle.  Maybe the Indians will pay them to run it?

 

 

 

 

 

I thought this lot was at/near/above capacity -- especially on Saturday afternoons -- according to this story:

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,2492.msg630496.html#msg630496

 

It is...but Indians games on Saturdays are at night (see list below for 1 kind of exception).  The story says the parking problem is from 11- 2 pm.

 

 

 

There is 1 4 pm start in Sept.  This might be the only game that could cause some difficulty.

1 6pm start

1 9 pm start

 

the rest are at 7 pm.

 

This will probably cut into the GLBC business.  they run their own shuttle, charge a dollar (not sure if that is one way or round trip).  But they get more than a few people who "pre-game" over there because of the shuttle.  Maybe the Indians will pay them to run it?

 

 

Thanks for posting the schedule. That's good to hear there won't be competition for parking spaces.

 

And I did hear that the parking lot that the Indians fans would be using had something to do with GLBC, but the source didn't have specific details.

I'm sorry, but being someone who lives downtown and parking in a public garage, I've NEVER had an issue finding a parking spot even with a sold out game.  The only day I've been close to an issue was St Patty's day and I planned for it by staying parked.  This is plain and simply laziness.  God forbid they have to walk a few blocks.

I'm sorry, but being someone who lives downtown and parking in a public garage, I've NEVER had an issue finding a parking spot even with a sold out game.  The only day I've been close to an issue was St Patty's day and I planned for it by staying parked.  This is plain and simply laziness.  God forbid they have to walk a few blocks.

 

I honestly can't tell you the last time I paid to park downtown at night or on a weekend.

 

It's laziness, but from talking with people Igather it's the perception of the city being unsafe that's also part of it. 

Here are the details from the Indians (please limit the discussions in this thread to impacts on Ohio City parking)......

 

Transportation:

 

Free Transportation Weekend on July 20, 21 & 22

 

Free parking in the Gateway East Garage

Free RTA Rail Service (Blue, Green, and Red Lines) and RTA HealthLine when showing a valid Indians game ticket when boarding the rail system

Free shuttle service to and from Ohio City (corner of W. 25 and Market Ave. near Great Lakes Brewing Company and Bar Cento)

 

 

Following the Free Transportation Weekend for remainder of 2012 season

 

Exclusive RTA Family Fare Pass for $10 with ticket purchase at Team Shops and Indians.com (Two adults/up to four children)

Indians Ohio City Shuttle on home weekend game dates for $1

Great Lakes Brewing Company’s “Fatty Wagon” shuttle every game for $1

Pre-paid parking availability in the Gateway East Garage

I'm sorry, but being someone who lives downtown and parking in a public garage, I've NEVER had an issue finding a parking spot even with a sold out game.  The only day I've been close to an issue was St Patty's day and I planned for it by staying parked.  This is plain and simply laziness.  God forbid they have to walk a few blocks.

 

I honestly can't tell you the last time I paid to park downtown at night or on a weekend.

 

It's laziness, but from talking with people I gather it's the perception of the city being unsafe that's also part of it. 

 

It is both of these and ignorance.

 

People get off the highway drive up to the stadium and if they cant find a parking place immediately they panic.  They don't know about the garages on short Vincent or the surface lots over by the warehouse district.  They always used to be able to just park right next to the ball park for 10 bux--Plan A,  the real crafty ones would park at tower city. 

 

And up until like right now, they didn't need a plan B. 

 

Remember they also closed a bunch of parking for the innerbelt bridge project, I do not know how many spots were on the southwest corner of Lorain/Caranagie and ontario (Where employees parked on Game day) and down the hill behind the Marathon station but those are all gone (not sure if that is permanent or temprorary).

 

How cool! Anyone know if this is on site yet?

 

The BookBox is a mobile unit of Cleveland Public Library (CPL) that seeks to connect with users in an upredictable location.  BookBox is an evolution of the ShopBox which was originally designed by Cristian Schmittan, an architect from Santiago, Chile who spent six months in Cleveland developing his idea for a changeable, portable retail unit. 

 

CPL saw the ShopBox concept as a way to engage in community outreach in a new way and the idea of a kiosk that provided reading materials was one that kept surfacing during the redevelopment of Market Square Park. Knowing that the park could be a viable home for a mobile unit, the BookBox idea was born. 

 

The Bookbox will arrive in Market Square Park on July 12th and make its home in the Southwest corner.  Before the official opening, LAND studio, the project architect, and CPL will work on and install a series of exterior graphics to ensure that the BookBox is a visual amenity to the neighborhood and the park even when it is not open for service.

 

CPL will provide reading materials, access to electronic books, and programming in the park. The BookBox will be staffed on Saturday’s during the summer and fall. Depending on success, the BookBox hours could increase to be open when the West Side Market is open.  It is also possible the BookBox will have staff on site on Friday and Saturday nights to provide an additional retail outlet when the neighborhood is busiest.  The library will offer free wireless during BookBox hours so that the digital collection can be accessed.

 

http://www.land-studio.org/our-work/bookbox

^That thing sounds nifty!

 

This could go in a few spots, but it's highly possible the Port Authority will put a levy on the ballot this fall that would fund not only its current operations, but some significant infrastructure projects, including bulkhead replacement and stabilization of the Irishtown Bend hillside.  This could have a very significant effect on the development potential for the open space and parking lot immediately east of W 25th st.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/07/cleveland-cuyahoga_county_port_2.html

How cool! Anyone know if this is on site yet?

 

The BookBox is a mobile unit of Cleveland Public Library (CPL) that seeks to connect with users in an upredictable location.  BookBox is an evolution of the ShopBox which was originally designed by Cristian Schmittan, an architect from Santiago, Chile who spent six months in Cleveland developing his idea for a changeable, portable retail unit. 

 

CPL saw the ShopBox concept as a way to engage in community outreach in a new way and the idea of a kiosk that provided reading materials was one that kept surfacing during the redevelopment of Market Square Park. Knowing that the park could be a viable home for a mobile unit, the BookBox idea was born. 

 

The Bookbox will arrive in Market Square Park on July 12th and make its home in the Southwest corner.  Before the official opening, LAND studio, the project architect, and CPL will work on and install a series of exterior graphics to ensure that the BookBox is a visual amenity to the neighborhood and the park even when it is not open for service.

 

CPL will provide reading materials, access to electronic books, and programming in the park. The BookBox will be staffed on Saturday’s during the summer and fall. Depending on success, the BookBox hours could increase to be open when the West Side Market is open.  It is also possible the BookBox will have staff on site on Friday and Saturday nights to provide an additional retail outlet when the neighborhood is busiest.  The library will offer free wireless during BookBox hours so that the digital collection can be accessed.

 

http://www.land-studio.org/our-work/bookbox

 

Good for OC! I bet this place will get lots of attention. These little bits of makeshift retail could work wonders. No reason not to believe the concept couldn't work on Public Square or the Rock Hall.

^ Agreed. This could be such a great tool for getting more people in the pipeline for retail space ... ShopBox to pop up to permanent space ... Kind of the retail equivalent of a food truck. And how cool that this was created by a Chilean designer doing a residency in Cleveland and reusing local discard materials to fashion these? One of those quintessentially Cleveland reimagination projects :)

 

 

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