The Federal Knitting Mills Apartments/Lofts - Detroit Avenue near W. 28th St.

The Merrell Building Lofts - W. 25th St. @ Carroll Avenue

The Townhomes of Ohio City - W. 32nd St. @ Clinton Avenue

^Those are all complete.

 

Off the top of my head, there's:

 

- Detroit Avenue Lofts (next door to FKM) -- just finished

- Vine Court Industrials, Vine Court near W. 29th

- 5 infill townhouses on West Clinton near W. 38th (Rysar I think)

- The old YMCA building at W. 32nd and Franklin, being developed into apartments by the same guy who did Detroit Avenue Lofts

- Coral Group's townhouses at Franklin Circle (formerly Japanese townhouse project)

- The old West Side Community House at Bridge and 30th, being developed into apartments

- The old Jay Hotel at Jay and W. 25th, being developed into condos by Heartland Developers

:x

 

On behalf of my second cousin, Rosemary, I appologize for her closed mindedness.

She may be, however, just speaking on behalf of the neighborhood... not that it's right.

 

 

 

I think it is suspect to that low income housing is lost in all of this. I am 100%in favor of affordable housing for all, but I cannot stand the concentration of any class of people in one place be they rich, poor, or middle class (part of the horror of the suburbs for me). So I think scattering of housing is a good idea. Maybe they should not tear down river view until adequate housing is available elsewhere. And for the record, I am curious where the indignant CSU professor lives. Sometimes it is funny to look into things like this further-he may be from a place like Chagrin Falls or such where he is not faced with the day to day joys and tribulations of urban living, where neighbors do the best they can to balance safety with generally good attitudes about inclusiveness and social justice.

Norm Krumholz lives in the City of Cleveland and has been one of the most significant champions of equity planning (planning for the public welfare and in particular, for those who have the smallest voice) since the 1960s in Cleveland and nationwide. 

 

As for Riverview, there are no plans to knock down the remaining towers.  What was cleared ten years ago were several low-rise structures that were outdated, run-down and in need of repair or complete rebuilding.  They obviously went for the latter, which was probably premature, since they didn't have a solid plan in place to replace those units.  Those families are now housed (or not) elsewhere in the city, but still have been promised that they will be able to return to the site...or nearby...where the replacement housing is built.  This is where the urgent need to build these 81 units comes from. 

 

The market rate units, whose number has fallen significantly since the initial plan, are the ones that have been lost here.  These units were part of the effort - at the heart of HOPE VI - to integrate low-income/subsidized housing with market rate housing, creating mixed-income neighborhoods where the houses of the poor would be indistinguishable from the houses of the self-sufficient or well-to-do. 

 

Obviously, the Riverview effort has failed on many counts, but the selfishness and closed-mindedness of the opposition in the community has done nothing to defray the location of low-income households in their neighborhood.  It has merely ensured that the concentration of poverty on the Near West Side will be further sustained.

I have mixed feelings about this. Although I blame NIMBY-ism to a degree, I think CMHA also deserves a fair share (perhaps most) of blame. Their disorganization and lack of foresight on Riverview has been shocking: demolishing units without a firm plan to replace them, desperately scrambling for alternate options when their tentative replacement plan fell through, failing to make neighborhood residents and merchants feel a part of the planning process. There is a politic to developing mixed-income housing that CMHA has yet to grasp.

 

That said, I am glad to see that most of the affordable rental units will be scattered site, while the larger development at Church and 28th will be mixed.

I didn't really voice that opinion in my post, but I agree with B12 that much of the blame for the failure of this project can be placed on CMHA.  The changing attitude of the federal government towards the provision of public housing doesn't help either...

 

I also agree that the scattering of units as infill housing throughout the west side is a good strategy, but how long will that take?

 

Also, what are the chances of finding another developer who will pursue the Columbus Road site?  Or the site behind the West Side Market, for that matter?  And what do you think the reaction would be from the West Side Market merchants and the Duck Islanders if someone proposed building ALL market rate housing on those sites?  Any opposition?

If I was a developer, here's what I'd do:  I'd give money to relatives under contract that they each buy these two-parcel homesteads throughout Duck Island. Then, when my family has come to own a percentage of the properties (ie: more than 50 percent), my real estate company offers to buy out the rest of the properties. I'd put infill housing on all those parcels left vacant by Duck Island's two-parcel homesteading, build shops on street corners like those eyesore lots along Abbey, build a massively dense mixed-income residential development along Columbus Road and around the rapid station, acquire the West Side Market parking sea across the Lorain, build a parking deck in its place for market visitors, top the deck with offices or live-work spaces (such as for market vendors or suppliers), and put some dense residential on the former surface parking areas.

 

Anyone want to loan me a few million bucks to get started?

^I'll check my lottery ticket - honestly, as I drove (well, my S.O drove) through Duck Island today, I looked around at the stretch between Columbus and the Abbey bridge and channeled Bette Davis - "whadda dump!".

Well, I just read this thread through from start-to-finish and man, what a depressing thing that was!  I think this may have been the first thread that I started...[sigh]

 

My summary, in a very small nutshell:

 

MGD: optimistic/idealistic/foolish?

KJP: called the unstable hillside issue before the engineers working for CMHA (a genius in our midst!)

MGD: suggested that the alternative would be a park/promenade on the now vacant land beside the towers

 

Anyway, with the newly surfaced plans for W. 28th & Detroit from A Place for Us, I became curious about what happened to CMHA's plans for this site.  On this page (http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=2492.60), the site was part of the proposal.  However, as we read above, the number of units has been trimmed significantly, so it sounds like W. 28th & Church will be it for CMHA over there as it pertains to the HOPE VI project.  That, after CMHA moves to E. 79th & Kinsman.  So, if plans go forward at present, both sites will still be developed and maybe we'll end up with something a little better on the Detroit property!

 

KJP: called the unstable hillside issue before the engineers working for CMHA (a genius in our midst!)

 

So then, can I count on you for at least part of that $3 million?  :speech:

I will certainly contribute a "part" of that $3 million.  Which part?  I can't say at this time...

Norm Krumholz lives in the City of Cleveland and has been one of the most significant champions of equity planning (planning for the public welfare and in particular, for those who have the smallest voice) since the 1960s in Cleveland and nationwide. 

 

He's a neighbor of MTS's, in fact, in integrated, mixed-income Shaker Square.

 

I believe the former residents of the demo-ed units were given Sec. 8 vouchers and a priority place on the list for the new units.  Would be very interesting to see a study of where they went and how they're doing as a validation or refutation of the overwhelming preference for family-based subsidies rather than project-based within HUD and many affordable housing circles.  Although I'm sure there are many such studies out there that I am too lazy to find and read...

^ I have to wonder myself if the idea of "community" rather than isolation in section 8 housing has really worked so far.  Not to be a dick, but I would personally not live near/next door to section 8 housing.  Not saying that all people that live under those guidlines are bad, but it just seems to draw a bad element from what I have experienced so far.  I hope that the "new" Tremont area, and that project slated for W.28th works out well for all involved.  I DON'T, however, believe that the WHOLE city should be subject to that type of developement.  There has to be some areas that should be attractive to those who want to live in the city, but may be hesitant to live near section 8.  I know that the idea of class/social/income segregation may not seem right.....but it IS part of life.  I would LOVE to live in a house on Harborview Dr, but I don't feel they need to build something in my price range there because I feel excluded. 

  SOME mixed income is nice, but not the whole city.  I think sometimes people have become TOO sensitive to the haves and have nots.  Starting from elementary schools where games of elimination are all but banished to public housing.  I believe everyone should have a chance....but people still need to realize that hard work and effort are the pathways to reward. (just a thought...please try not to be TOO brutal on me)

I think that the problem is if they integrate section 8 into all of Cleveland, but just Cleveland (and maybe a few older suburbs).  I am worried that it will backfire and stigmatize all of that area.  Section 8 should be integrated into newer suburbs as well, so that the burden of stigma and of the genuine policing and so forth that these units often do need isn't heaped upon a few areas.

There are two different types (correct me if I'm wrong!) of Section 8 subsidy.  One is rooted to a piece of land and the other is given in the form of a voucher.  The latter is based on the idea that a resident on subsidy should be able to look for housing, much as any other renter on a budget would be able to, and find a landlord who accepts the voucher and a unit within the price range.  No section 8 tenant would be able to take their voucher and live in Bratenahl (partially because no one there would take the voucher, but also because it's too pricey), but they should end up having access to most neighborhoods in Cleveland.  That way, if they want to try to locate close to family, friends or work, they can try to find housing in that part of town, not just in project-based housing. 

 

Also, the ideal is that you'd never know you had a section 8 tenant living above or below or next door to you.  (this next comment is not directed at anyone) Any type of renter/owner can be a jackass and make you want to leave the neighborhood...regardless of their ability to pay the bills.

 

The problem with the vouchers is that the housing and the vouchers themselves are relatively unstable.  A landlord can decide not to renew your lease or the government can cut funding.  Project based Section 8 is more stable from year-to-year, but tends to be much less desireable.

Switching gears...

 

I saw some sort of artsy event on the "park" land next to Riverview last night around 7:00.  There were stilt-walkers with crazy devil outfits on doing a dance of some sort.  There was a big painted  school bus and a crowd (50 or so people) of onlookers.  Anyone have a clue what that was?

^yes. That is the Carpetbag Brigade out of Oakland, CA. They will also be performing at Fairview Park in Ohio City at 8pm on Wednesday as part of that park's grand reopening. 

 

Also coming to Fairview Park this summer:

*two outdoor movies

*block club kickball

*and more fun-filled activities for the entire family!

NICE!!!

By the way, the event on W25th was organized by Cleveland Public Theatre's Brick City program, which reaches out to kids in public housing. It was cool to see something happening on that empty field!

I know the whole sec 8 thing (moveable voucher, goes with person not the house)can be frustrating (if you have a neighbor that has bad habits-although renters of all types often do), but I think the program is a very good thing. It is far better to let people integrate into the community as opposed to be stuffed in a huge ghetto complex somewhere where they can continue to be stigmatized. If lower income people get out into other communities with a variety of other socio economic levels then the long term outcomes (higher educational educational attainment, higher paying jobs)are better, although they may not be immeditely apparent.  Studies have been done that support this..a sec 8 voucher is better for a family than a space in a low income housing project. The only exception is when people with sec 8 vouchers congregate to one area. This is a concern in any city where one or a group of landlords swoops in and buys several houses in a community and rents them out sec 8.  What you have is a housing project hidden behind a facade of different houses insted off a building.  Once the properties fall into decline to the point that they cannot pass a sec 8 inspection than they rent to people with out vouchers and these places are all about condemable  . BTW (regarding MGD post)I think riverview is the tower on W.25th near the market, and Lakeview tower is the senior housing, with the apartments cascading down the hill, many vacant. And I am happy Krumholz lives in the city! nice to see a professor who is not a an ivory tower clinging hypocrite.

Switching gears...

 

I saw some sort of artsy event on the "park" land next to Riverview last night around 7:00.  There were stilt-walkers with crazy devil outfits on doing a dance of some sort.  There was a big painted  school bus and a crowd (50 or so people) of onlookers.  Anyone have a clue what that was?

 

The Partridge Family.

I sent the following e-mail today. It went to George Phillips (CMHA), Joe Mazzola (OCNW), Greg Peckham (Cleveland Public Art), Ann Zoller (Parkworks) and Jim Kastelic (Metroparks). I urge you to write them as well if you feel passionately about this issue -- as you should! ;)

E-mail addresses are as follows: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]

 

 

Dear Mr. Phillips, Mr. Mazzola, Mr. Peckham, Ms. Zoller and Mr. Kastelic:

 

I was thrilled to see an article on Cleveland.com last week detailing CMHA?s plans to use vacant land along West 25th Street as a park. Ohio City has been starved for well-planned green space for years, and few locations in the city are more spectacular than this one, with its panoramic views of downtown and the Flats. I commend CMHA for its decision.

 

However, I am concerned that the new park will fail to reach its full potential unless CMHA partners with local organizations experienced in park-building -- possibly including Parkworks, Cleveland Public Art, Ohio City Near West Development Corporation and/or Cleveland Metroparks. A design competition, suggested by Mr. Litt in the article below, would be an excellent idea. The new park should make full use of this wooded, sloping land, with:

 

*Walking trails to the river

*A bike path connecting to the existing path on the Detroit-Superior Bridge

*A dog run

*Well-placed benches overlooking the skyline

 

It is not enough to simply designate the vacant fields ?ballparks? and slap up a few picnic tables.

 

Also, this is a prime opportunity to work with Transitional Housing Inc. to demolish the unsightly low-rise units near Detroit Avenue, which not only block public views of the skyline but also provide ugly, shame-inducing housing for its residents. If the land along the entire east side of West 25th is truly unstable for buildings, as was announced last year as part of the Riverside project, Transitional Housing residents should be relocated anyway, preferably to more equitable and better integrated housing in another part of the neighborhood. The vacant land should then be incorporated into the park.

 

Poorly planned parks inevitably become scary, forboding places. This new park deserves to be one of the most beautiful and inviting spots in the city. It has the potential to be either a blight or a boon for the neighborhood. Please, help it become the latter.

 

Attachment: Cleveland.com article

 

Whether the letter did it or not, the above mentioned groups are getting together to talk about this park.

REALLY?? That's fantastic!

Blinker strikes again!  Proving the power of the pen...errr...email!

Development on hold

Thursday, June 22, 2006

By David Plata

West Side Sun News

 

Faced with a need to speed up development of subsidized rental units to keep funding, Cuyahoga Metropolitan Housing Authority has placed construction of its controversial mixed-income development on Columbus Road on hold.

 

In March, the authority proposed 136 for-sale units and 31 rentals on the 5-acre site, along Regional Transit Authority tracks and next to the West 25th Street Rapid Station.

 

"In order for us to ensure we maintained the funding that we received, we needed to separate the public housing aspect of that plan away from the market-rate side because that side was going much slower," said George Phillips, CMHA director.

 

"All we did was ensure that the public housing units would get built on time; and we're going to proceed with the market-rate on a separate pace."

 

CMHA's latest plan cuts the number of units from 267 proposed in March to 131 now.

 

The plan is to build 50 market-rate, for-sale units and 25 rentals at West 28th Street and Church Avenue, on land already owned by CMHA. Another 56 rental units would be built on scattered sites.

 

The work will be paid with some $8.5 million remaining in a Hope VI grant awarded in 1996 to build some 420 units of mixed-income housing, including replacement of 81 family style homes behind Riverview Towers.

 

Phillips said all Hope VI projects across the country, including the Riverview replacement, face a Congressionally imposed completion deadline of December 2009.

 

"It's more expedient for us to focus on just those units that we have to build to meet that deadline," he said. "The market-rate units can proceed on their own pace."

 

Maribeth Feke, RTA planning director, said she had been told informally that CMHA was pulling out of the Columbus Road site, but had yet to be notified by letter.

 

Feke said RTA is revamping its joint development program and will seek new development proposals once that is complete.

 

Possibilities include day-care centers, offices and more.

 

"Usually it's housing, something with some retail around it," she said.

 

Councilman Joe Cimperman, D-13, in whose ward the Columbus site is located, said CMHA had not informed him of the latest change.

 

Cimperman said he wants to work with CMHA to ensure the HOPE VI grant is not rescinded.

 

"The go-it-alone-approach never works," he said, adding that he hopes to speak soon with Phillips to ensure the project goes forth.

 

Councilman Joe Santiago, D-13, who has strongly supported the development on Columbus Road, did not return a call by deadline.

 

Joe Mazzola, director of Ohio City Near West Development Corp., said the group continues to work with CMHA on development of seven rental units at West 28th Street and Chatham Avenue and four rental units at West 45th Street and Franklin Boulevard.

 

"The two sites, discarded in CMHA's plan in March, are back on the table," Mazzola said.

 

"They didn't include it in their plan because they had to demonstrate site control to HUD," Mazzola said. "We couldn't have anything signed by that point in time, but we've been talking about this. We'd like to see it as part of the plan; CMHA would as well."

 

Mazzola noted the 81 replacement rental units are still in the CMHA plan.

 

"That hasn't declined at all," he said. "It's, where will they be located?"

 

Phillips said CMHA is not discarding the Columbus Road site and would like to reconsider it later. But he said he recognizes another developer may come along and snatch it away.

 

"That's a risk that we're taking," he said. "I understand that is a risk."

Park opens with a splash

Six-year wait for improvements is over

Thursday, June 29, 2006

By David Plata

West Side Sun News

 

It was a nearly three-year delay in construction _ not to mention the years of planning that went before _ but well worth the extra time.

 

So said people who live near Fairview Park in the Ohio City neighborhood, a nearly 5.5-acre green space where some $500,000 in improvements are nearing completion.

 

Six years _ six years of patience, laughed Laura Fratus, a co-chair of Friends of Fairview Park, which helped plan the improvements.

 

Councilman Joe Cimperman, D-13, in whose ward the park is located, said the work at first was to be done in three phases, but was shortened into one.

 

By delaying one building season, we were able to accomplish all three phases for a minimal amount of increase in spending, he said. In addition, he said, a lot of concrete work between the ball field and the play area was cut out, resulting in substantial savings.

 

If done in three phases, he said, the work would have cost about $1.2 million.

 

A formal reopening was delayed by rain last week, and Cimperman said final details, including landscaping, lighting and such, won't be completed until fall. But for all practical purposes, he said, the park is open.

 

We wanted to have as much use as possible for the kids this summer with the splash park and the playground and everything else, he said.

 

The 5.42-acre park is between Franklin Boulevard and Woodbine Avenue, and West 32nd and West 38th streets.

 

Fratus said the park area grew larger with the addition of the parking lot from the former county nursing home, which was torn down and redeveloped as senior housing.

 

Cimperman credited Mark Fallon, city commissioner of research, planning and development, Fratus and Rachelle Coyne, also a co-chair of Friends of Fairview Park, as well as Phyllis Bambeck, president of the adjacent Kentucky Gardens, and Bill Merriman, president of the Franklin-Clinton Block Club, with brainstorming to come up with ideas for the park

 

I'm guessing they've put in 500 hours, dating back to 1998, to have something done there. The park was looking shabby, it was looking tired. We needed to do something to modernize it, Cimperman said.

 

He also credited Jim McKnight, of McKnight and Associates, the contractor for the work, with helping achieve cost savings.

 

Merriman could not be reached, but noted in a phone message the site is the original Fairview Park.

 

It's on the site of the first reservoir of the city of Cleveland, and it's the first Fairview Park, after which the hospital was named, he said.

 

Rachelle Coyne said the delay was worthwhile.

 

I'm very, very pleased, she said. I think it really dawned on me how excited I was when the splash park opened for the first time. There must have been 25 kids playing. It was very overwhelming.... It was so exciting to see that many kids gathered in the park.

The park was being well-used when I stopped by yesterday evening.

 

very welcome news, indeed!  i've watched this coming together only since the fall and it's one of my favorite places to walk to with friends, girlfriend and puppy!

Wow, even families are using it!  :-o

^I know!  And not just families with 6 kids, three babies' daddies, and Quicken Loan checks!

uhboy... But if you look real carefully to the right side of the picture, you see...OH MY GAWD, BOYZ IN DA HOOD!

I'll tell ya, the first thing I noticed when it got warm out around here wasn't the mass chaos and upswing in crime that people warned me about.  it was the large number of strollers and new babies!  That, and dogs...everyone has a dog (even me!). 

^really? its safe to go out?  I've been holed up inside waiting for those safe winter months. 

Via an article in the PD that I wasn't able to find online...The project has been approved by the feds.  It must be finished by mid-2009.  Construction must begin by mid 2008.

I know... you'll have to come out of your bunker eventually!

You'll be able to spot wimwar easy. He's the guy in the combat helmet nervously looking around him as he tiptoes off the front porch.

Moda is in pretty deep Sh't. Cover of PD today!

 

Club had glamour and trouble

Moda drew celebrities and complaints, but a founder's drug dealing did it in

Sunday, July 02, 2006

Mike Tobin

Plain Dealer Reporter

Moda, the nightclub that promised to bring sexy South Beach to the rust belt, will spin its last record and serve its last cocktail this week.

 

Neighborhood groups initially praised the West 25th Street club for helping revitalize the area a few blocks from the West Side Market. But surrounding businesses and residents eventually came to despise Moda. The club will be stripped of its liquor license this week when one of its founders is sentenced in U.S. District Court.

 

Emad Silmi, 31, pleaded guilty last year to selling cocaine and marijuana and using the profits to purchase and open Moda, U.S. Attorney Greg White said. Silmi continued to disguise the drug profits by laundering $1.1 million through the club.

 

more at: http://www.cleveland.com

Article was already posted in a separate thread in the Restaurants, Entertainment, Travel & Relocation Assistance section -- http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=9481.msg107521#msg107521 -- with discussion following. Gotta be quick around here!

I understand all the problems that Moda had, but I don't think Cimperman should be so adament about a club not being able to open up there, or anything short of a monesstary I think is how he put it.  That's a really good attitude to have...  Although I received an Ohio City meeting flyer under my door yesterday that said the place is scheduled to reopen in October, so who knows.  I don't think having an empty storefront on W25th Street is a positive development Mr. Cimperman.

 

I too have noticed the upswing in the rifraf around Bridge/W25th/Lorain recently, but it isn't as bad as it was last year.  Every Sunday night around 3:30, hip hop night at Moda would be over and every thug life a-hole in Cleveland would park on W28th between Bridge and Jay and bump their shit.  Not very conducive to waking up for work at 7:30am.  Although with Moda closing down, this doesn't look to be a problem anymore.

here it is...

 

CMHA given go-ahead for city housing project

Sunday, July 02, 2006

Angela D. Chatman

Plain Dealer Reporter

 

 

no link...

 

What's up with a Sunday night party anyway?  Whatever happened to Thursday through Saturday?  Any day of the week, though, I don't need to be kept up against my will...  Basically, things are much quieter here than they were in my hood in Brooklyn.  There, it was primarily the car alarms that pissed me off!

 

I agree with you, w28th.  I think that Cimperman and the rest of the community should be advocating for a new tenant, not trying to discourage the place from opening up again.  There are loads of respectable, profitable businesses that could take over that space and add to the neighborhood's assets.  It's all about keeping up with the owner/management and assuring that they want what's best for the neighborhood, as well as their wallet.

 

And what's this about the place opening back up in October? 

I guess this is good news...as good as we can expect right now, anyway!

I may sound like an anti-demolition broken record, but I'm disappointed to hear that the existing building at 28th and Church will be knocked down. That's a cool old loft-style building. Why not reuse that and build new on the miles of surface lots around it? sigh.

^True, true.  YSOH voiced the first concern I heard over demo of the building.  (Something about being apprehensive about destroying anything built out of brick...)  I can see the value in the building as a space that could be better used for offices or artists space or something more appealing than the CMHA HCV headquarters, but I don't know how it would translate into living quarters. 

 

That said, B12 does have a point in alluding to the surface lots scattered around this part of the neighborhood.  The problem is site control, though.  Active businesses (and the hospital) use these lots and it would be tough to gain control unless they shut down, or in the case of the hospital, built a damn garage already!  So, CMHA appears to be in a pinch.  Let's just hope they can either re-use some of the materials and build something of quality on the site after they demolish these buildings!

Blinker, I hope you keep sounding your anti-demo note; with all the vacant land in this city (not just the actively used parking lots) it's a little painful anytime any solid building is leveled.  These minor demos are incrementally chipping away at some of what makes the city special.

This is positive:

 

From Cool Cleveland:

 

...four Ohio City businesses are pitching in to hire 2 off-duty police officers to walk the beat around the West Side Market during late night hours. Congrats to Sam McNulty, owner of McNulty’s Bier Markt, Jeff Allison, owner of the Garage Bar, Alex Gleason, owner of the Old Angle, and Mike Roman, owner of the ABC Tavern, for their initiative. Why not pop in for a drink at one of these fine establishments, and toast the owners. These are the heroes of the neighborhood, and hopefully the rest of the community will follow suit.

GREAT for the owners to do that....shameful for the city to have not already done it!

I was at Bier Markt yesterday and picked up some interesting information.

 

First of all the Bier Markt would like to open a full-service restaurant, however the building is protected by a certain historical status that would not allow them to install the proper ventilation necessary for a full-service kitchen.

 

Apparently the "cigar bar" project for the old Middle Eastern Foods store is not going to be so much a bar as will be a store. I think the concept is an upscale wine, liquor and cigar store, but no plans for a bar according to the owner who stops in the Bier Markt regularly.

 

I met a couple guys on their way out, but they along with a group of investors want to do some kind of mixed-use concept "similar to Tower Press" - somewhere in Cleveland. They said they weren't real estate developers, but rather a group looking at openning a cluster of complimentary small businesses. They are scouting locations and narrowing them down, but Ohio City is in the running. When I was talking to them, they seemed kind of clueless about all the neighborhood developments throughout town like Gordon Square, the Avenue District, and Stark's Warehouse District development.