Ahh, that makes some sense then.

The press release from Zaremba regarding the streetscape improvements.

 

CLEVELAND – July 27, 2007 – The City of Cleveland has approved plans for the $7 million East 12th streetscape project to enhance The Avenue District, a $250 million walkable neighborhood under construction in downtown Cleveland.

 

The streetscape, designed by Paul Volpe of City Architecture, will be completed in two phases, with construction on the first phase from Lakeside Avenue to St. Clair Avenue scheduled to start in November 2007 ...

 

... More at http://www.theavenuedistrict.com/newlayout/articles/east-12.asp

Hmm.

 

From the written description the street scape sounds attractive and functional.  However, why no visuals?  You would think with such a detailed description and plans to begin in November there has to be some sort of design floating around that the Avenue District could have posted.  I have not done so yet but will check their website to see if they have something online.

 

Also, this is the first time that I can recall seeing a estimate of the amount of retail going into the first building.  A max of 9,000 square feet.  That's not very much.  Hopefully much more will be going into the next Phase across St. Clair.

^My bad.  Just checked the website and they do have some pics of the proposed street scape.

Well it was said they want neighborhood retail, which are smaller than destination retail spots.

I don't mind that there isn't much retail. We have a lot retail as is. It would be better to build up the residential density and then add retail in later phases.

Welcome to Cleveland!  Why do things now when there's always tomorrow?!  :roll:

 

AHHH!!!  I went running yesterday along Northcoast harbor and remember the plan designed by VOA back in the late '90s.  I then was thinking about other lakefront plans...Why has there been not one stone moved to commence some sort of lakefront revival?!

 

God! I'm not changing topics here but I'd like to know what we're waiting for in this city!  My reasoning...The sooner things are 'fixed', the sooner we'll have less to b*tch about. 

 

Gotta love this city!  :wink:

^Actually you are changing topics.  I am sure there are other threads which your post relates too more closely.  I am actually more interested in other's thoughts about the street scape on 12th and the Avenue District in general here.  Thanks.

Well it was said they want neighborhood retail, which are smaller than destination retail spots.

 

I would love to know what stores will be included.

Forgive me for going off topic there but with 41 pages in this thread already, I didn't think my 3 sentence "rant" impeded on the legitimacy of this thread.  I'm sorry, I was just aggravated because in this city, we ACTUALLY are able to complain about the delayed streetscaping of a few blocks because everyone else is all talk and lives by the mantra, "there's always tomorrow." I love this city but come fricking on! 

and by "everyone else" i'm referring to the planners and developers. 

and by "everyone else" i'm referring to the planners and developers. 

 

And, of course, by that ^ you do NOT mean ALL planners and developers.

Because that would be just plain silly to include ALL in such a generalized statement such as THAT.

You're ALL going to get back on topic, dammit! :whip:

Mayday is going to make us take ritalin before we post

All that flowery streetscape language is nice, but it won't do anything to assuage my dismay over the loss of so many beautiful trees.  Boo, hisssss!  A cozy, charming street is relegated backwards to become another "work-in-progress."

Map Boy where you been?  Drinking MGDs?

 

:)

It's nice to know I've been missed!  I've just been working hard.  Staying out of trouble (and by that, I mean UO!).

 

I have been slipping by the Avenue District about once-week lately and it's nice to see these townhomes taking shape.  I'm looking forward to seeing their exteriors and to seeing the next block get started!

It's nice to know I've been missed!  I've just been working hard.  Staying out of trouble (and by that, I mean UO!).

 

What?  You don't love us anymore?  :whip:

It's not you.  It's me.

It's not you.  It's me.

 

LMAO!!

Kinda lucky there were not any major cranes up on thursday afternoon,with winds gusting up to 60.

 

I wonder how much water collected in the pit at East 12 and st clair.

Update August 10th:

I can see the first stub of the tower crane being installed at the corner of st clair and 12th.

I'm either very tired, or very dumb but somehow I missed that. God, what a welcome sight!  :clap:

I'm just suprised to see how dry the excavation is.

Question?  It appears all the excavation is being done on the 12th- St. Clair corner.  If I recall from earlier posts this block is being done is phases.  However, would it not make sense to do all the excavation for the whole block at the same time (from a cost perspective so you don't have costs associated with remobilization).  Or am I just jumping the gun and they have not gotten to the rest of the block yet at this point and they intend to do so shortly?  Curious.

^ not sure what you mean? from the pic it looks like they are doing the whole block in a square from one street to the next and from the building on the left to the foreground? no?

^My view of the picture is that the work is being concentrated on the corner of 12th and St. Clair with wings going up St. Clair and 12th.  On the rest of the block you can see trailers and parked cars.  I doubt they would have staged the trailers there if excavation was going to be done there anytime soon.  You can see the foundation already going in on the corner and no "digging" elsewhere on the block. 

I could be mistaken, but this looks like the cab of a tower crane - I snapped this pic on the way home Friday afternoon:

 

^Good try Mayday, but I think that is just a mobile crane.  9 time out of 10, a tower crane would be delivered by All erection crane rental, but lets wait and see.  Also, the cab is generally connected to the swivel that sits below the cab. 

^My view of the picture is that the work is being concentrated on the corner of 12th and St. Clair with wings going up St. Clair and 12th.  On the rest of the block you can see trailers and parked cars.  I doubt they would have staged the trailers there if excavation was going to be done there anytime soon.  You can see the foundation already going in on the corner and no "digging" elsewhere on the block. 

 

now i see what you mean.

 

i dk, i would guess they just go along piecemeal based upon their plans, interest they have gotten so far and finances. i hope not, as you say it seems uneconomical, but it is less risky. it's obviously not all coming in big transformative bunches like the east bank flats or pesht is planned to, but unlike those it is actually in build mode and that is cool to see.

 

Question?  It appears all the excavation is being done on the 12th- St. Clair corner.  If I recall from earlier posts this block is being done is phases.  However, would it not make sense to do all the excavation for the whole block at the same time (from a cost perspective so you don't have costs associated with remobilization).  Or am I just jumping the gun and they have not gotten to the rest of the block yet at this point and they intend to do so shortly?  Curious.

 

Good question... thinking about the plans I saw I thought the garage entrance and exit for the residents was to be across from the Firestone / parking garage on north side of development?  I don't remember seeing other parking garage entrance and exits.

 

Noticed a few new pics on their blog.

 

Decking the first floor

wow... so this thing is really getting built...

^Well they did have to put something behind that world class signage

great shot -- oh yeah thats for real.

Have they completed erecting the tower crane on-site yet?

No... that should be in a few weeks. Trust me, I'll be there with camera in tow :-)

Anyone know who is running the show down there for panzica?

The photos above are of the 10 story building correct?

Yep!

Excellent!

10 stories? For whom, elves? How in the world are they going to learn how to read if they can't even fit in the building!

 

OK, I'm sorry for that disjointed Zoolander reference.

Newsletter:

 

CRANE WATCH

Next Monday, Aug. 27, Panzica Construction will begin installing the tower crane for The Avenue District Site 1, and it will take approximately one week to construct. The crane's purpose is to lift and move everything vertically for the ten-story high rise. The crane is 156' tall and the boom extends 196' horizontally. Stay tuned and watch The Avenue District go vertical!

 

To help visual the size of the tower crane, here is a representation of the relationship between the tower crane and the 1211 St. Clair. This picture does not represent the location of the tower crane on Site 1.

 

 

 

Nice to see that they wrote about it in the PD...but as one of the comments on cleveland.com mentioned, this is not "the first -- and, to date, only -- of several planned large-scale, for-sale housing developments to break ground near downtown Cleveland" (Stonebridge)

 

A bird? A plane? A tower crane? Work advances on Avenue condos

Posted by Henry J. Gomez August 23, 2007 09:35AM

Categories: Breaking News, Economic development

 

Next week, a tower crane will rise in downtown Cleveland to begin superstructure and core work on a 58-unit condominium complex at the northeast corner of East 12th Street and St. Clair Avenue.

 

The building is going up on site one of the Avenue District, a planned $250 million residential and light-retail development from Cleveland's Zaremba Inc.

 

More at

http://blog.cleveland.com/business/2007/08/a_bird_a_plane_a_tower_crane_c.html

good news indeed but I REALLY can't wait until the day that there are soo many cranes in the city, we won't need to make news about a petite 10  story building.  ANYWAYS...let the construction begin!!! :clap: :clap:

Newsletter:

 

CRANE WATCH

Next Monday, Aug. 27, Panzica Construction will begin installing the tower crane for The Avenue District Site 1, and it will take approximately one week to construct. The crane's purpose is to lift and move everything vertically for the ten-story high rise. The crane is 156' tall and the boom extends 196' horizontally. Stay tuned and watch The Avenue District go vertical!

 

To help visual the size of the tower crane, here is a representation of the relationship between the tower crane and the 1211 St. Clair. This picture does not represent the location of the tower crane on Site 1.

 

 

 

 

You know the Avenue District folks did this for nerds like us...  :-D

I'm a GEEK, not a nerd! There's a difference! :-D

 

From August 24th:

They are really moving.  If only they could knock down that ugly parking garage.

At least the parking garage has retail on its ground floor, is on the sidewalk and has screening (ugly as it is) around its perimeter. I guess what I'm saying is, I've seen worse parking garages.

 

Glad to see the occasional construction progress photo. I don't get over into that part of downtown much. I hope a new retailer/cafe/restaurant for the Avenue District and/or Zaremba's desire for an arts fest on East 12th Street will be a significant draw for that corner of downtown.