January 15, 201411 yr That's great news, though I'm surprised they are moving forward with apartments along Superior before finishing out the St. Clair site. They've already sunk the cost on the parking garage there, and could always keep doing townhouses along Superior if they don't do as well on their apartment projects.
January 15, 201411 yr Is Geis submitting plans to the city, or is Zaremba still involved? I think Zaremba, but I'm not totally sure. My (very limited) understanding is that any apartments at the townhome site would be on a similar height scale to the townhomes, so it's a little different from the St. Clair side of things. Actually, one of the first site plans called for some kind of flexible loft things on the Superior lots, but that morphed into townhomes when they spiked in popularity. No idea how the proposed plans compare as I haven't seen them - just told something about plans having been submitted.
March 23, 201411 yr YMCA move to Galleria delayed again. The new Downtown Y at the Galleria, a $12.5 million project, will now open in December, 2015, as fundraising has taken longer than expected, Haley said. It currently has $8.4 million and plans to have the rest of its financial package in place by this fall, he said From the PD http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/03/cleveland_state_university_to_4.html
May 5, 201411 yr Very, very disappointing. I wonder how many businesses left in the Galleria will even hold out until then.
May 5, 201411 yr Does anyone know how the rentals at the condo tower are doing? They seem to absorb quickly in other projects. But this project has no info.
May 31, 201411 yr I see one of the townhouses was purchased by a Chabad couple and they hold Jewish holiday events geared toward Jewish downtown residents and employees. That's definitely different!
June 2, 201411 yr Is new construction expected to occur this year? I sure hope so! As for there still being no retail tenants in the highrise on St. Clair, does anyone know if any store seriously considered opening there or, better yet, if a store is expected to open there at least this year?
June 4, 201411 yr Just an interesting bit of info if it hasn't already been shared-- I guess the owners of the avenue tower bought out anyone that owns a unit and the former owners are now renters. Part of the deal was the former owners receiving their down payment back as well.
June 4, 201411 yr Well, the rental market downtown is much healthier than the owning market, so those former owners probably got a pretty good deal and it will make it easier to market and manage the building.
July 8, 201410 yr Apartments in the works for dormant Avenue District Townhomes development By STAN BULLARD July 08, 2014 10:45 AM Long-dormant development embers at downtown Cleveland’s Avenue District are about to reignite. Plans to install 108 apartments in nine low-rise buildings at the site of the Avenue District Townhomes, as the project was called, are scheduled for architectural scrutiny at Cleveland City Planning Commission’s downtown design review committee meeting Thursday, July 10. The Avenue District Townhomes site is between East 14th and East 15th streets and Superior and Rockwell avenues. Read More at http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20140708/FREE/140709847/apartments-in-the-works-for-dormant-avenue-district-townhomes?X-IgnoreUserAgent=1 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 8, 201410 yr Wow good news... Now if this leads to the empty spots on 12th being filled as well that would be nice
July 8, 201410 yr LOL at "Two blocks away, Zaremba also constructed a dozen three-story townhouses in 2007, but sales ground to a halt." Of course "sales ground to a halt". They sold out. This is very exciting news though! Can't wait for the renderings!
July 8, 201410 yr No pictures yet on the general Planning Commission docket. But there is this in the DRD docket..... http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2014/07112014/071014DRACagenda.pdf Downtown/Flats Design Review District Agenda July 10, 2014 9:30am City Hall, Room 6, 601 Lakeside Avenue 2. DF2013-058 – Avenue District Block 3 Apartments Project Address: Multiple sites in area bounded by East 14th & 15th, Landazzo and Superior Avenues Project Representative: Kevin Dreyfuss-Wells, RDL Architects Both of the above projects are scheduled for City Planning Commission on July 11th, 2014. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 8, 201410 yr This is fantastic news, now only if we can build the remainder of the 10 story portion can be built....
July 8, 201410 yr I was hoping they would do phase 2 on the tower first. Is the tower completed and renting?
July 8, 201410 yr I really wish that the the buildings that face Superior would be at least 4 stories. Those existing townhomes look so out of place given the scale of Superior.
July 8, 201410 yr I really wish that the the buildings that face Superior would be at least 4 stories. Those existing townhomes look so out of place given the scale of Superior. Two stories are like they're merely building a raised curb along a 100-foot-wide Superior. :P "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 8, 201410 yr I'm kind of ho hum on this one. Back when the AD was the only thing of significance going on, I liked it. Now, given the proposed design, I'd rather not add 100+ rental units to this location with this design. Just takes 100+ away from Public Square or Euclid where I'd rather see the continued momentum go.
July 8, 201410 yr I hope the buildings fronting Superior have retail the street could use it. I highly doubt they will. These are suburban style stick buildings.
July 8, 201410 yr I'm kind of ho hum on this one. Back when the AD was the only thing of significance going on, I liked it. Now, given the proposed design, I'd rather not add 100+ rental units to this location with this design. Just takes 100+ away from Public Square or Euclid where I'd rather see the continued momentum go. I'm not concerned about 100 units at all. This is a different market completely from the other areas. I'm more concerned about the design and low-density nature of it. Although, it will be great to see parking lots disappear. We shall see once they release renderings.
July 8, 201410 yr Let's see - 108 apartments over 9 buildings is 12 apartments per building. So how many floors could this be?
July 8, 201410 yr I'm kind of ho hum on this one. Back when the AD was the only thing of significance going on, I liked it. Now, given the proposed design, I'd rather not add 100+ rental units to this location with this design. Just takes 100+ away from Public Square or Euclid where I'd rather see the continued momentum go. Why are you "ho hum"? Why can't we add units in both places?
July 8, 201410 yr Let's see - 108 apartments over 9 buildings is 12 apartments per building. So how many floors could this be? Per the article, 2-3 stories.
July 8, 201410 yr I'm kind of ho hum on this one. Back when the AD was the only thing of significance going on, I liked it. Now, given the proposed design, I'd rather not add 100+ rental units to this location with this design. Just takes 100+ away from Public Square or Euclid where I'd rather see the continued momentum go. It still eats up surface parking lots downtown. That's a good thing. A little more height and a store/cafe or two fronting Superior would be a great thing. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 8, 201410 yr ^Didn't the Crain's article say two and three stories (I read it this morning so I might be off).
July 8, 201410 yr ^Didn't the Crain's article say two and three stories (I read it this morning so I might be off). Yes, it did. Like KJP said, a little more height would be nice. Maybe in the range of 4 to 6 stories with some mixed use element. It's just such a drastic drop off in the scale of the buildings from 9/12 district to 15th.
July 8, 201410 yr I'm kind of ho hum on this one. Back when the AD was the only thing of significance going on, I liked it. Now, given the proposed design, I'd rather not add 100+ rental units to this location with this design. Just takes 100+ away from Public Square or Euclid where I'd rather see the continued momentum go. I'm not concerned about 100 units at all. This is a different market completely from the other areas. I'm more concerned about the design and low-density nature of it. Although, it will be great to see parking lots disappear. We shall see once they release renderings. In all fairness this is 100 units of apartments plus 12 townhouses on only 4.25 acres, so low rise yes, but low density not really.
July 8, 201410 yr I'm kind of ho hum on this one. Back when the AD was the only thing of significance going on, I liked it. Now, given the proposed design, I'd rather not add 100+ rental units to this location with this design. Just takes 100+ away from Public Square or Euclid where I'd rather see the continued momentum go. I'm not concerned about 100 units at all. This is a different market completely from the other areas. I'm more concerned about the design and low-density nature of it. Although, it will be great to see parking lots disappear. We shall see once they release renderings. In all fairness this is 100 units of apartments plus 12 townhouses on only 4.25 acres, so low rise yes, but low density not really. Agreed...incorrect verbiage. I am curious how they plan on fitting nine buildings in that tiny piece of land. Even the townhomes are only two buildings, I believe.
July 8, 201410 yr In all fairness this is 100 units of apartments plus 12 townhouses on only 4.25 acres, so low rise yes, but low density not really. Concur. I just dislike the 30- to 40-story cliff from Erieview and Eaton towers down to the Avenue District, as well as short buildings lining a 100-foot-wide Superior Avenue presents a scale issue. Really, all it takes is one transition building. That said, sometimes you've got to fill a parking lot with small buildings before you can build demand further and go upward with bigger buildings. There's the possibility that bigger buildings may replace these small apartment buildings in a couple of decades or so. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 8, 201410 yr I'm kind of ho hum on this one. Back when the AD was the only thing of significance going on, I liked it. Now, given the proposed design, I'd rather not add 100+ rental units to this location with this design. Just takes 100+ away from Public Square or Euclid where I'd rather see the continued momentum go. I'm not concerned about 100 units at all. This is a different market completely from the other areas. I'm more concerned about the design and low-density nature of it. Although, it will be great to see parking lots disappear. We shall see once they release renderings. In all fairness this is 100 units of apartments plus 12 townhouses on only 4.25 acres, so low rise yes, but low density not really. Agreed...incorrect verbiage. I am curious how they plan on fitting nine buildings in that tiny piece of land. Even the townhomes are only two buildings, I believe. Yes, there are only two townhome buildings that are U-shaped. The nine buildings is confusing to me as well!
July 9, 201410 yr Yay, pictures! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 9, 201410 yr ^My thoughts as well. Something more like the Langston (the part facing Chester) would be more appropriate here, IMO. Just a couple more stories please...
July 9, 201410 yr I really like Battery Park. But for whatever reason I think these are terrible. Maybe they just don't fit in with the surroundings....they look so cheap.
July 9, 201410 yr These types of developments are popular in ATL, DC, S. Florida, CLT, HOU, N. Jersey, Etc. I don't see anything wrong with the clustered apartments, as long as the build quality is high.
July 9, 201410 yr "Meh" sums it up perfectly. The designs look almost exactly like all the CSU housing that's gone up recently. Not sure why they felt they had to follow that standard. And it's not like the architecture company doesn't know how to do something interesting. They did this (Circle 118 Townhomes) not so long ago (note the nice big windows!) ......
July 9, 201410 yr Throw one 5-story in the midst of that and, to the eye, it immediately changes the scale. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 9, 201410 yr Uninspiring design. I hope the planning commission sends them away with some serious design changes. I'll start holding my breadth
July 9, 201410 yr The windows look really tiny..... Not the right scale at all. Hopefully the townhome owners are able to add their input as well, since this will affect (or is it effect...Ken I need some schooling) their resale value.
July 9, 201410 yr They do a great job hiding the surface parking. Other than that, I agree with the comments posted above.
July 9, 201410 yr "Zaremba plans 108-unit apartment project at stalled Avenue District townhouse development" http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/07/zaremba_plans_108-unit_apartme.html#incart_river_default From the article: "If the apartment plans get a thumbs-up this week, that won't close the book on the Avenue District's recessionary tale. Two parking lots, east and south of the former condo tower, are still in receivership as part of the 2010 foreclosure case. Court records filed last month show that Weston Inc., a Warrensville Heights investor and developer, has a deal to purchase those parking lots for $1 million - money that would go to KeyBank, one of the lenders on the original condo deal." Hmmmmmmmm!
July 9, 201410 yr The windows look really tiny..... Not the right scale at all. Hopefully the townhome owners are able to add their input as well, since this will affect (or is it effect...Ken I need some schooling) their resale value. I doubt it. They haven't told or asked us anything.
July 9, 201410 yr They do a great job hiding the surface parking. Other than that, I agree with the comments posted above. This exactly. I like the site plan; taking up the remaining surface lots and putting the parking within the boundaries of the buildings. The materials that could be used on the other hand... not a fan.
July 10, 201410 yr Michelle is live-tweeting the discussion of the Avenue District apartments. Here's a few of them.... Michelle J. McFee @mjarboe · 52m At downtown #CLE design review committee meeting. Discussion starting re: Avenue District apartments proposal. ICYMI: Michelle J. McFee @mjarboe · 34m Some concern from residents, others at design review meeting re: limited parking in Avenue District apartment plans. Lower than 1:1 ratio. Michelle J. McFee @mjarboe · 29m "People living downtown are far ahead of mentality most of us have," DRC member Jack Bialosky Jr. says re: using more bikes, fewer cars. Michelle J. McFee @mjarboe 23s One Avenue District townhouse owner arguing that development should wait until for-sale is feasible. Fears rentals will hurt home values. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 12, 201410 yr Still waiting for commercial on first floor of apartment highrise. This has gotten ridiculous. As for 100+ apartments along Euclid Avenue instead, I like them on Euclid but it would likely mean replacing something good. I don't want to see one more pre-WW II building to be demolished on Euclid. Not one!
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