SKID ROW???  My God the 12th Street St. Clair buildings are one block from 9th Street.

From the get-go, this development's pitch/angle has been that of more quiet downtown living.  I don't mind that it's a bit separated - it's a bold move, and places another node of development.  That makes it more risky but I think it makes sense to appeal to this kind of market.  Putting it in the WHD on lots there would be nice, but the fact that it's physically separate from those areas makes it easier to separate it in the marketplace.

It is the proverbial skid row zone that is allways near the CBD.

 

Skid row? Seriously? You consider the Galleria, the Chesterfield, Erieview Tower, One Cleveland Center and the surrounding areas to be skid row? I actually think these are some of the most densely urban and beautiful parts of the city. E.12th at Euclid and at Chester is great, and it might get somewhat more sketchy as you get closer to Lakeside, but it certainly NOT downtown's skid row.

 

Actually, if I were to develop in downtown it would definitely be in this section of the city. It's already got quite a bit of residential buildings and corresponding stores as you go south on E.12th. The Avenue District has me much more excited than Pesht or the new East Bank of the Flats, personally.

But you do see a "skid row" in the vicinity of the the North Point Inn (1550 Superior) east to the county welfare building at Superior and East 17th. Maybe that's why the reporters at the PD (at Superior and 18th) are so damn negative? They continually see one of the worst parts of downtown!

I would hardly call it a "skid row", actually. I work at Superior and 21st and live in the E. 30s along Superior. I think it's a great area with a lot of promise for the next few years.

 

The PD looks out its window on the Tower Press building and a drycleaning establishment, and it neighbors the always kitschy Daffy Dan's and the sadly underused but visually interesting "Old Chinatown", followed by a number of other artist loft buildings, Phoenix Coffee, and across 90, the first few blocks of "New Chinatown".

 

I cannot imagine that the presence of social service organizations, like the welfare building or Mental Health Services is going to be a serious deterrent to individuals interested in living in proximity to the CBD. The Warehouse District seems to still be kicking, despite ever-present panhandlers and proximity to some high-profile acts of violence. And as for CMHA housing, Ohio City seems to be doing quite nicely, despite a myriad of public housing units, including Riverview adjacent to its major retail mode.

 

As one of the poorer cities in the nation, and with a relatively small downtown nighttime population, I think we need to realize that downtown housing will by default lie in proximity to the less privileged and to the social service agencies that serve them. And in my opinion, that's not really a bad thing.

It's a small area I'm referring to where the homeless congregate. Ditto for the Lakeside Shelter up on Lakeside Avenue, around the East 20s. When one finds the huddles masses, one has license to call it "skid row."

^Of course you have license. :-) I guess I just disagree; there are plenty of legitimate areas that win that title in my book. Nowhere downtown really fits that bill for me. I used to walk Superior from Tower City to E. 21st, and my only awkward encounters along the entire stretch were actually at the southeast corner of E. 9th and Superior. That being said, I would hardly call that prominent location skid row.

^^^I actually think the area around the PD is one of the coolest parts of downtown, with a very intact group of industrial buildings marching along the south side of Superior from 18th to the Innerbelt. Many of these buildings are home to an eclectic mix of business and artists. So I think the PD's location is a lousy excuse for negativity!

I had it in a textbook that showed typicaly how the formation various areas of a city. Peak land value is where the CBD heart is, skid row is right off of it, elite housing section is, speciality high end retail is. Light manufacturing/industry is right off skid row, then it goes i think low income housing/urban renewal zone, heavy dirty industry, middle class residentrial, uper class residential. I can't remember exactly how it goes but I specficaly made note that skid row is off the CBD, and light manufacturing/industry is right next to/surrounds skid row; I made note to remember it becasue it fit cleveland.

 

Sorry if it sounded like I was refering to superior being that way, I never ment it to seem like I was refering to superior is skid row. Skid row cuts out seemingly out at E18th ish on superior, its the nice area of that part of downtown.

 

LovesIt - "Actually, if I were to develop in downtown it would definitely be in this section of the city. It's already got quite a bit of residential buildings and corresponding stores as you go south on E.12th. The Avenue District has me much more excited than Pesht or the new East Bank of the Flats, personally."

 

I disagree.  Like I said, I wish we'd finish one neighborhood before we start some new one in an out-of-the-way, untested area.  It has pained me that so many projects have failed to get off the ground (Dist Park, Courthouse Sq., Courthouse Sq.) in our best downtown neighborhood: Warehouse.  Even though Warehouse is the closest we have to a truly finished, high-density upscale in-city neighborhood we have, it still has a ways to go, most notably at Pesht w/ the acres and acres of surface parking.  Right now, our downtown is like Detroit's w/ a bunch of nice yet unfinished nodes w/ little connectivity between them.  I'd just like to build up some real serious density in one of those nodes before we leap 3/4 a mile cross downtown.

It has pained me that so many projects have failed to get off the ground (Dist Park, Courthouse Sq., Courthouse Sq.) in our best downtown neighborhood: Warehouse.  Even though Warehouse is the closest we have to a truly finished, high-density upscale in-city neighborhood we have, it still has a ways to go, most notably at Pesht w/ the acres and acres of surface parking. 

 

but, there are more people that live on the e12 corridor now than all of warehouse.  WHD may have more restaurants, clubs, and surface parking lots - but there are more total people living on e12 between superior and prospect than all of the warehouse (unless you want to count the jail), which is one reason why the only full service grocery is in this corridor. 

 

what i'd REALLY like to see is a crane building something with NO publicity, and then find out that there was a new residential/mixed use building going up - in any section dowtown.  even i can afford to go to fastsigns and have some flashy signs made.  i want to see progress, not propoganda.

fellas one thing at a time. no one can deny something like the avenue is a big project and moreso a big sea change of thinking for mainstream cleveland (ie., everyone who is not us urban geeks). a developer needs the pre-sales in such a long untested market (this is the biggest deal since reserve square no?). they are putting up the money.

 

we can't deny the other side of the coin is it could all be a bust too ya know. unlikely, but that is how banks think, not will it work, but what's the worst case? so we just have to wait until zaremba can do their hype and the believers can pre-buy in. have faith, potential buyers have been around other cities and seen stuff this in action, so it'll happen soon enough. imo of the three big schemes, the avenue is the best bet to actually happen anytime soon and also to be completely successful. :clap:

Don't get me wrong, urbanlife, I think there's a lot of potential at Ave Dist.  I do think the buildings you mention -- Reseve Sq, Chesterfield and the soon to be rehabbed grande dame Parkview are high density props and can help feed off Ave Dist -- they were the original downtown residences while people living in the WHD and Gateway was just a wild idea.  I'm just a little worried, per the PD article, that it's being used as a guinea pig for the others which is a little unfair because it is an untested area -- lets not forget the aforementioned apts have struggled for years; they're handsome buildings -- a bit of Chicago in downtown Cleveland -- but the area's sterile.  Let's hope Ave Dist changes that; it could and it also could serve as a bridge toward the Lake and North Coast...

 

... along those lines, maybe someone can get RTA's ear to implement the idea I've been pushing for a while here: a new escalator entrance on E. 12th (and maybe E.13th) up from the Waterfront Line terminal at Muny Lot.  Not would it serve the current structures already there: Holiday Inn, Channel 3, PUCO and the FBI; but the Ave Dist as well.  Once again, RTA seemingly thumbs its nose at one of the little things that could make its train line a whole lot more successful.

I disagree.  Like I said, I wish we'd finish one neighborhood before we start some new one in an out-of-the-way, untested area.  It has pained me that so many projects have failed to get off the ground (Dist Park, Courthouse Sq., Courthouse Sq.) in our best downtown neighborhood: Warehouse.  Even though Warehouse is the closest we have to a truly finished, high-density upscale in-city neighborhood we have, it still has a ways to go, most notably at Pesht w/ the acres and acres of surface parking.  Right now, our downtown is like Detroit's w/ a bunch of nice yet unfinished nodes w/ little connectivity between them.  I'd just like to build up some real serious density in one of those nodes before we leap 3/4 a mile cross downtown.

 

I guess it's all a matter of opinion. Downtown's not exactly some huge sprawling area, so the Avenue District would be less than a 10 minute walk to the WHD. I could understand what you're saying if this were a place the size of the entire city of Cleveland, but it's not. Plus this whole "untested area" notion is kind of silly to me because E. 12th is pretty heavily populated already.

I think the whole guinea pig statement from the Henry Gomez article was a figure of speech.  I just think it means that Zaremba were the first ones out of the gate.  I hardly think that Nathan Zaremba would do a $250+ project to be a test drive for Wolstein and Stark!  I don't think anybody is that generous.  He must believe that he can make it happen!

I'm with Hunter on this one:

 

E. 12th St. medians to be torn down

 

Monday, Aug. 28

 

By Steven Litt

Plain Dealer Architecture Critic

 

A six-block median filled with trees in a high, concrete planers has been a fixture of East 12th Street in downtown Cleveland for more than two decades.

 

Soon it won’t be. Architect Paul Volpe of City Architecture, who is designing a $150 million complex of new loft and townhouse buildings in the area, obtained preliminary “conceptual” approval earlier this summer from the Cleveland Design Review and City Planning committees to tear out the medians, cut down the trees and replace them with wider sidewalks shaded by new trees.

 

That has former city planning director Hunter Morrison incensed.

 

More at cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com

I agree - this project is not really in the "hot" part of town in terms of new housing, and it doesn't do much for connecting nodes which I think is an important thing for Cleveland. 

 

In any case, I'm definitely excited to see this project put a new face on the eastern edge of downtown. 

 

 

 

 

Don't get me wrong, urbanlife, I think there's a lot of potential at Ave Dist.  I do think the buildings you mention -- Reseve Sq, Chesterfield and the soon to be rehabbed grande dame Parkview are high density props and can help feed off Ave Dist -- they were the original downtown residences while people living in the WHD and Gateway was just a wild idea.  I'm just a little worried, per the PD article, that it's being used as a guinea pig for the others which is a little unfair because it is an untested area -- lets not forget the aforementioned apts have struggled for years; they're handsome buildings -- a bit of Chicago in downtown Cleveland -- but the area's sterile.  Let's hope Ave Dist changes that; it could and it also could serve as a bridge toward the Lake and North Coast...

 

... along those lines, maybe someone can get RTA's ear to implement the idea I've been pushing for a while here: a new escalator entrance on E. 12th (and maybe E.13th) up from the Waterfront Line terminal at Muny Lot.  Not would it serve the current structures already there: Holiday Inn, Channel 3, PUCO and the FBI; but the Ave Dist as well.  Once again, RTA seemingly thumbs its nose at one of the little things that could make its train line a whole lot more successful.

I think its a good idea to get rid fo the median. It totally divides the street. Why cut off the Avenue district even more from the rest of downtown? Its a visual and physical barrier that would hurt the nascent neighborhood.

i hate to lose the mature greenspace though.  the city has other areas where there are medians (superior) and they are putting more in (euclid).  i don't think that this makes much sense - except that they want to create more street parking for the street level merchants.

 

the walk down e12 is nice now, and with the exception of the stop signs which you can't really see, the traffic seems pretty calm as is. 

 

it seems that they could eliminate one street lane in each direction and provide more street parking and more sidewalk plantings.

I like the idea of widening the sidewalks and getting rid of those ugly concrete planters.  Also makes sense to put the trees where pedestrians are rather than in the middle of the street.  Hopefully, wide enough sidewalks will allow them to do a double row of trees on both sides which, when mature, will provide alot of shade.  Narrowing the street and getting rid of the median will also make 12th less intimidating to walk across in my opinion.

 

Was confused (or maybe the word is concerned) about Volpe's statement "construction on the first phase of the project...could begin next winter or spring".  Given the next sentence ("But he hopes to begin construction on the streets and sidewalks within the first phase within about a month"), it is clear he was referring to the buildings and not the street.  I was under the impression ground breaking was much closer.  If I had reserved a unit when they first where put on the market I would be going nuts with the delay.  How do you plan your life (selling you current residence, etc) with such uncertainty?

i hate to lose the mature greenspace though.  the city has other areas where there are medians (superior) and they are putting more in (euclid).  i don't think that this makes much sense - except that they want to create more street parking for the street level merchants.

 

the walk down e12 is nice now, and with the exception of the stop signs which you can't really see, the traffic seems pretty calm as is. 

 

it seems that they could eliminate one street lane in each direction and provide more street parking and more sidewalk plantings.

 

How do you know he isn't going to resuse the current trees?  I think (rather I hope) volpe has better sense than to cut down the trees, insead of reusing them.  I would think the city would fine him and any groups like ParkWorks would be outraged.  That median in superior should be lowered like the park avenue median, it more visually appealing.

 

You walk down East 12 in its current state NOW.  That is the key point.  He's preparing the area for the FUTURE, larger side walks so residents can walk, stop and shop or eat at whatever establishments will be introduced to the area.

 

You can't use the median on Euclid and the median on East 12 in a comparison.  The Euclid medians are specific to the BRT, not cosmetic which is what the current East 12 median was meant to be.  The East 12 median to me is the same as the barriers shaker once used to seperate itself from Cleveland's Lee-Harvard & Kinsman areas. 

 

I think that once the median come down, East 12 will look like a mini Michigan Avenue, with wide sidewalks and green space.  Volpe hit it right on the head....why are we providing shade for the middle of the street???

 

Personally, I don't think there should be room for cars to PARK, when this is designed as a walking neighborhood.

 

 

 

You can't use the median on Euclid and the median on East 12 in a comparison.  The Euclid medians are specific to the BRT, not cosmetic which is what the current East 12 median was meant to be.

 

some of the medians may be BRT specific, however, this rendering shows what i consider to be a 'cosmetic' median, at the expense of larger sidewalks.

 

 

Volpe hit it right on the head....why are we providing shade for the middle of the street???

 

this is a very CAR focused statement for a supposedly residential neighborhood.  trees and landscaping provide a far more nuanced role than just shade for the street (urban heat island, shielding street noise, calming traffic, providing wildlife areas, purifying air, etc.)

 

and if shade on the sidewalks was the "city standard", then almost all of downtown cleveland would fail.  in the current configuration, i actually think the median makes it more inviting for pedestrians to cross, as it provides a safe stop in the middle. 

 

i'm all for taking the median out between st. clair and superior.  i just think that it serves some purpose, and is not a barrier, in front of reserve square. 

 

also, i think that the parking issue is being glossed over.  it seems everyone is down on INCREASING street parking downtown, which is exactly what this proposal is doing, with the diagonal parking. 

 

if they save the old trees or actually plant some mature trees, maybe this will work.  but renderings that show 30 year old trees are often VERY different that what we get when 8 foot honey locusts are planted everywhere.  i just hate to see an area that is actually one of the greenest areas downtown, taken down.  if volpe has some kind of history saving trees, that's great.  but i have never seen one tree saved downtown, for any kind of project - street work, ecp, building construction/demolition.  not one. 

The only way those trees are going to be reused is as mulch in some landfill.

 

E12th ain't perfect but as others have pointed out, it's a rare stretch of mature trees and not unpleasant in it's present configuration...I can't believe this is really worth spending serious money on at this time.

I'm with Hunter Morrison on this, I think destroying the median is counterproductive.  Maybe the walls of the planters could be lowered a tad, but E. 12, w/ the median, is attractive, now, even without any development around it.  Why kill that?  And yes, Michigan Ave popped to mind as a highly successful and visually pleasing w/ a wide median with a ton of lawns and planters on the sidewalks.  And even though Michigan is an exceptionally wide street, nobody there is talking about the neighborhood is split or cut off by a barrier.  I think Volpe is overplanning on this one... also I too, like Htsguy, was puzzled about Volpe's comment re "... first phase of the project, along Superior Avenue at East 13th Street, could begin next winter or spring."  I clearly thought buildings would be going up by the fall, at least based on the earlier PD article.

Ok, first question: Is the following map still active?

 

 

If so, the block I am most concerned about...between Superior and Chester...is maintained.  Here, the sidewalks on both sides of the street are plenty wide and the only thing the medians create a barrier for is people running across the street, mid-block.  As far as a pedestrian environment, this is BY FAR one of the most friendly blocks Downtown, in my opinion.  The stop signs are especially nice...even though many drivers just blow right through them...

 

Next, I really don't think there would be any attempt to save these trees.  The article, whether accurate or not, says "cut down the trees."  And they didn't salvage any of the mature trees from CSU's portion of the Euclid Corridor, so why/how would they preserve these?  It's apparently very expensive to do...even if just moving them around on-site.

 

So, we'd be setting ourselves back 30 years in terms of tree growth and I think we could be better served by incorporating some sort of promenade into the existing median.  I'm all for wider sidewalks on the blocks north of Superior, but is the removal of the median really the only option?

There was an article a long time ago that said they would cut out the median and move the mature trees over to the sidewalk. I know its very possible to move mature trees.  Whether or not that is still the plan is another question.

 

 

If that map is still viable, it would seem weird in keeping the median at Reserve Sq -- which, btw, is a very attractive urbanized area -- while moving to the sidewalk north of there. -- which wouldn't be all bad, but why deep-6 the median?  Why not keep E.12 consistent.  Again, it smacks of overplanning to me.

You can't use the median on Euclid and the median on East 12 in a comparison.  The Euclid medians are specific to the BRT, not cosmetic which is what the current East 12 median was meant to be.

 

some of the medians may be BRT specific, however, this rendering shows what i consider to be a 'cosmetic' median, at the expense of larger sidewalks.

 

I viewed the ECP website, it mentions no reduction in sidewalks.  As I mentioned earlier I think that one barrier/planter should be shortened like the park avenue, as you can CLEARLY see accross the street as well as traffic on the opposite side of the median.

 

Does anyone have confirmation of what landscapping plants will be used.

Maybe the walls of the planters could be lowered a tad, but E. 12, w/ the median, is attractive, now, even without any development around it.  Why kill that?  And yes, Michigan Ave popped to mind as a highly successful and visually pleasing w/ a wide median with a ton of lawns and planters on the sidewalks.  And even though Michigan is an exceptionally wide street, nobody there is talking about the neighborhood is split or cut off by a barrier.  I think Volpe is overplanning on this one... also I too, like Htsguy, was puzzled about Volpe's comment re "... first phase of the project, along Superior Avenue at East 13th Street, could begin next winter or spring."  I clearly thought buildings would be going up by the fall, at least based on the earlier PD article.

 

Michigan avenue is a main drag, were talking about a side street.  There isn't any comparisonin that regard.  I don't think he is over planning but preparing.  Also, I've never been crazy about the additional street parking, it will turn into a nightmare as people, circle, and drive, circle to find parking, then COMPLAIN that there isn't enough parking.  This is prime opportunity to incorporate RTA into improving existing service by extending the WTF or Better connecting it to the norther part of this community as others have said and adding this development into the loop system.

 

There was an article a long time ago that said they would cut out the median and move the mature trees over to the sidewalk. I know its very possible to move mature trees.  Whether or not that is still the plan is another question.

 

This would be the better plan.  Although other trees were destroyed, and is anhone 100% sure the trees previously moved were destroyed and not moved to other parts of the city???

 

I viewed the ECP website, it mentions no reduction in sidewalks.

 

i don't mean to suggest a "reduction" in sidewalks from current state, but more along the lines that if we are truly "planning" for the future and not the "now", then euclid is a prime area where larger sidewalks may be needed to support pedestrian traffic.

 

my bottom line is this:

 

there are hundreds of streets in cleveland that could use new trees (or their first trees) and efforts to improve their appearance and function.  many main drags in cleveland proper are tree-less or extremely under-treed.  i would spend the limited city dollars on these areas - many of them leading to the avenue district, first, before i would tear down things that aren't that old.

 

on another note, why doesn't cleveland require raised planters on the streets - i'm not talking about the large "flower" bowls for trees, which is crazy IMO, but stretches where the curb is raised around the tree plantings.  the most successful downtown trees and plantings seem to be in these areas.  i suspect that the small grates at sidewalk level allow far too much salt into the soil and that it retards growth. 

The last time the street was brought before the Planning Commission (Reserve Square - July), they showed rendering with the median between Chester and Superior removed. That is when the commission encouraged the Reserve Square folks to take leadership in the much delayed renovation of Perk Park.

The last time the street was brought before the Planning Commission (Reserve Square - July), they showed rendering with the median between Chester and Superior removed. That is when the commission encouraged the Reserve Square folks to take leadership in the much delayed renovation of Perk Park.

 

ParkWorks is behind the Perk Park project. It is actively fundraising to pay for the $3 million project.

 

And regarding the Avenue District..the 'breaking ground' has always been scheduled so that the city would first do some infrastructure work that would permit the entire project to go forward.

I did not mean to imply that Parkworks was not involved, and I apologize if the previous post left people confused.

The Planning Commission was just encouraging ResSq to get more involved with the park and perhaps get the ball moving again.

 

Now that I am home, I am looking at my notes from the meeting on August 4 (which I never summarized in my blog because I am lazy - but I still might). On the agenda was the streetscape improvement plan.

This was a continuation of the plan presented on May 19 - item number DRC 06-031

(and reported here: http://clevelandplanner.blogspot.com/2006/05/cleveland-planning-commission-report.html).

In my notes, I have written the - previously mentioned in this thread - discussion the developers were having with Arabica coming to the building. They mentioned that Avis would be joining the tenant list and that the commercial portion of the building is 100% filled.

In regards to the streetscape plan, the only notes I have are about the center median being removed, the parking on the street will be angled and the discussion regarding Perk Park.

The Planning Commission approved the streetscape plan with accommodations

If that map is still viable, it would seem weird in keeping the median at Reserve Sq -- which, btw, is a very attractive urbanized area -- while moving to the sidewalk north of there. -- which wouldn't be all bad, but why deep-6 the median?  Why not keep E.12 consistent.  Again, it smacks of overplanning to me.

 

agreed...and why would volpe need to be planning streetscape two blocks away from the the project's footprint?  especially on a block that is so built up already?  bad volpe, bad.

Some very encouraging news:

 

Zaremba looks to begin construction

By LESLIE STROOPE

2:26 pm, August 30, 2006

 

 

Developers behind a $250 million-plus residential Avenue District project in downtown Cleveland have taken a step to begin construction.

 

Continued:

http://www.crainscleveland.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060830/FREE/60830011/1004&Profile=1004

An-tic-i-payyyyayay-tion....

Is making me wait. It's keeping me way-ay-ay-ay-ting...

While not discouraging news I don't know that it is "encouraging".  Applying for the permit is a pretty routine event.  They must be desperate for news to release if this has to be posted on their website.  Majority of the article was just a re-hash.

While not discouraging news I don't know that it is "encouraging".  Applying for the permit is a pretty routine event.  They must be desperate for news to release if this has to be posted on their website.  Majority of the article was just a re-hash.

 

I suppose very encouraging may have been a bit much, but if nothing else it's nice to see the continued press about the project.

This project is obviously being watched with bated breath by many more than just us nerds here on UO.  It's among the most significant and hyped new construction projects in Downtown Cleveland in decades and is the only one that is anywhere near breaking ground right now.  Permits are routine, but they're a big step!

it doesn't cost them that much to file for the permit, and at the pace of presales, it should be something that they are doing anyway so they can hit the ground running.

They are very close...closer than the article in Crains is letting on.  In Cleveland, nothing moves quick, but w/ this project, things are being done VERY carefully so as not to repeat some of Cleveland's earlier development-missfires.  Stay tuned, true believers, and get your hard hats ready.  ;)

In Cleveland, nothing moves quick, but w/ this project, things are being done VERY carefully so as not to repeat some of Cleveland's earlier development-missfires.  Stay tuned, true believers, and get your hard hats ready.  ;)

 

Those "missfires" are???

District Park, Rockwell Bldg., various other office developments (including the ones proposed by Jacobs on the very site of The Avenue District) in the early 90's.  There have been a number of high profile projects trumpeted in Cleveland over the years, only to have the market go south or the developers can't get adequate financing.  For a project of this magnitude, and potential impact, patience and a carefull approach to must be taken.

District Park, Rockwell Bldg., various other office developments (including the ones proposed by Jacobs on the very site of The Avenue District) in the early 90's.  There have been a number of high profile projects trumpeted in Cleveland over the years, only to have the market go south or the developers can't get adequate financing.  For a project of this magnitude, and potential impact, patience and a carefull approach to must be taken.

 

district park wasn't a missfire, economics played a part in the "delay" of this project.  Rockwell - what gives with that project...The other projects were bad proposals nothing as committed as what Zaremba is doing.

 

As has been stated...this project will get done!

This is being heard in today's Design Review meeting and tomorrow's Planning Commision meeting

I will, like always, be tomorrow.

 

DRC 06-125 : The Avenue District: Mixed-Use Development, including Phase 1 Loft Building & Parking Garage, etc. (PLPD/Ward 13) (Fr CPC 11/4/05)

The Aveue District got approval from the Planning Commission on all three items (overal site plan, e. 12th street redesign, and building elevations for the first tower and first 2 blocks townhomes.) 

^good to hear!

apparently cimperman is having a meeting in sept sometime to address residents/business concerns over the medians being removed.  stay tuned.

Total random shot here, but does anybody think of Cimperman as future mayor potentialship here?

Yeh, Neh?

City planners agree to support East 12th streetscape project

Saturday, September 02, 2006

Tom Breckenridge

Plain Dealer Reporter

 

City planners say the East 12th Street boulevard should bear more room for pedestrians and less for cars, to enhance the emergence of a new downtown neighborhood.

 

The Cleveland Planning Commission voted Friday to support streetscape plans for the Avenue District, developer Nathan Zaremba's big bet on the eastern edge of downtown.

 

More at

 

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/115718601842370.xml&coll=2