No pics but I can see from my office window that they have foundations poured.

 

 

Foundations? For what?? Where??

 

Some townhomes are going in on 15th. They are not part of the Avenue district though.

^they front Superior (at 15th), no?

http://www.themiltoncleveland.com/

I almost fell asleep looking at the rendering for the project.

I'd rather watch paint dry...

 

If you can reproduce the rendering with a basic Lego set, it's probably not good enough for real life architecture.  Do these 3-story single-use structures front a side street or do they front Superior Avenue?  Address is on Superior but orientation isn't clear from their map.

Luckily, they front 15th. There's still a chance we can get some active retail on Superior in the future.

I'm glad to see this happening  Hope Zaramba or Geis can develop the bigger dirt parcels on E. 14th and Superior. 

They front 15th and yes, very boring. Hopefully, something more exciting is built on the large lot still available.

So that's what houses look like when they're built from Legos....

There is some retail finally going in at Avenue, a salon, called "Chic."

 

Those of you with good memories will recall that in describing the project the developer hilariously misspelled "chic" on their website.

There is some retail finally going in at Avenue, a salon, called "Chic."

 

Those of you with good memories will recall that in describing the project the developer hilariously misspelled "chic" on their website.

 

I did not remember that at all, and I lived there for 7 years, hahaha. 

 

I have no idea if Zaremba still intends to build what they proposed a couple years ago on the other parcels, but it was pretty boring, and no retail.

It's really an awful location for retail.  Well out of the way for most Downtown residents and visitors.  It is on a major commuter in/out route, but that would point towards auto-centric drive up retail space, not walkable pedestrian retail space.

It's really an awful location for retail.  Well out of the way for most Downtown residents and visitors.  It is on a major commuter in/out route, but that would point towards auto-centric drive up retail space, not walkable pedestrian retail space.

 

Or at least at the moment it is not good for walkable retail.  If (a big if)  more of the empty lots are filled in, and the old five to six story buildings from E 21 to the Shoreway, are converted and filled in, then there may be enough pedestrian traffic. But right now, most of the pedestrians are either headed to the Virgil Brown building, or the transitional housing across the street, or the Subway on the other side of the fire station.  Otherwise, that tends to be a lonely stretch of road.

 

It's really an awful location for retail. 

 

It's pretty close to the Galleria....so maybe you have a valid point.

Question: Is it code to have tree-lawns in this area? I know these are meant to appeal to the suburban mindset but it would be nice to see more urban development in this area. Also more than two stories above 2 car garage would be nice to see.

 

http://www.themiltoncleveland.com/wp-content/themes/strappress-child/images/page-banner.jpg

Remember Masthead Brewing Co. will be opening up soon on Superior and 13th. so that will also help that stretch of road.

Who are the people anywhere who are opposed to supporting a little greenery on their residential urban street? 

I'm not for sprawling lawns, but gee whiz, some urban people like to put out ivy, a begonia, or maybe a daffodil alongside the staircase at the entrance of their homes.  How else does one develop urban charm, especially given the bland architecture proposed for this site.  At least over the years, there will a potential for good landscape design.

It's really an awful location for retail.  Well out of the way for most Downtown residents and visitors.  It is on a major commuter in/out route, but that would point towards auto-centric drive up retail space, not walkable pedestrian retail space.

 

Or at least at the moment it is not good for walkable retail.  If (a big if)  more of the empty lots are filled in, and the old five to six story buildings from E 21 to the Shoreway, are converted and filled in, then there may be enough pedestrian traffic. But right now, most of the pedestrians are either headed to the Virgil Brown building, or the transitional housing across the street, or the Subway on the other side of the fire station.  Otherwise, that tends to be a lonely stretch of road.

 

 

Yes, at the moment.  You want to build some retail and take a dive on it for a decade or two?

Who are the people anywhere who are opposed to supporting a little greenery on their residential urban street? 

I'm not for sprawling lawns, but gee whiz, some urban people like to put out ivy, a begonia, or maybe a daffodil alongside the staircase at the entrance of their homes.  How else does one develop urban charm, especially given the bland architecture proposed for this site.  At least over the years, there will a potential for good landscape design.

 

If this was in response to my post, I was specifically referring to tree lawn. I don't have much bad to say about the pic you posted here... We can't see if there is tree lawn though. Agree, this development is very boring and sanitized. Personally,  I just see a real unique  chance to build a urban neighborhood here that can be highly sought after 20+ years down the road. Not with this crap though. This stuff will be old news in 5 years or less.

I'm sure they are going to follow a similar blueprint to the town homes already there when it comes to landscaping.

- There's short-walk convenience (from the seat of a free-parked car) all over that cornfield mentioned above.

- Even for downtown residents, this location is too remote from the core of most downtown workers & residents everyday walking commute or leisure activities.

- Retail follows the money & population, not the other way around.

- Low-density business & residential districts are likely to get plowed under when the demand becomes great for a higher form of land use.

 

 

 

- Retail follows the money & population, not the other way around.

 

How does downtown's daytime population fit into the equation? That's a lot of disposable income based on the latest salary data I've seen.

Has anyone seen prices for these guys floating around anywhere?

 

Being a nearby downtown resident, my biggest concern about these (and any townhomes on the eastern fringe of downtown) is security. To me, the difference in feeling secure (which may differ from my actual level of security) rises dramatically between E. 12th and E. 13 north of Chester Ave. In addition, all of the apartments downtown have very secure locks and security guards on duty 24/7, and even still, I've had friends in the WHD whose places have been broken into. I worry these townhomes won't have the added security protection that pacifies most downtown residents in the existing apartment stock.

 

I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but I would be reticent to spend too much moving into a condo that feels overly insecure. Does anyone know if the condos on Lindazzo do well (or poorly) in that regard?

^around $2200 according freshwater article I read.

Has anyone seen prices for these guys floating around anywhere?

 

Being a nearby downtown resident, my biggest concern about these (and any townhomes on the eastern fringe of downtown) is security. To me, the difference in feeling secure (which may differ from my actual level of security) rises dramatically between E. 12th and E. 13 north of Chester Ave. In addition, all of the apartments downtown have very secure locks and security guards on duty 24/7, and even still, I've had friends in the WHD whose places have been broken into. I worry these townhomes won't have the added security protection that pacifies most downtown residents in the existing apartment stock.

 

I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but I would be reticent to spend too much moving into a condo that feels overly insecure. Does anyone know if the condos on Lindazzo do well (or poorly) in that regard?

 

In the 7 years we lived there, we only had one security-related incident with a very, very intoxicated individual.

Just saw the funniest company name/property owner in Cleveland...

 

JOBU NEEDS A REFILL, LLC

PARCEL ID: 102-23-015

ADDRESS: 01533 SUPERIOR AVE

CITY: CLEVELAND

ZIP: 44114

 

Transfer Date: 16-JUN-15

Sales Amt $375,000 

Grantee(s) JOBU NEEDS A REFILL, LLC

Grantor(s) ZAREMBA AVENUE, LLC

 

On a more substantive and recent matter, this company just filed a tradename registration with the Ohio Secretary of State on Sept. 20, 2016 for "The Milton Townhomes." The incorporator and agent is Scott Orille, an attorney at Kahn Kruse Co., L.P.A. The actual owner is not identified.

 

It's the vacant parcel in between the Zaremba townhouse site to the left and the building with the blue awnings to the right....

JOBU-NEEDS-A-REFILL by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr

^KJP- I think that means this project is beginning to move forward...

DF2015-066 – East 15th Street Residential New Construction: Seeking Schematic Design Approval

Project Location: East 15th Street b/w Rockwell & Superior Avenues

Project Representatives: Ron Lloyd, RDL Architects

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2015/09182015/index.php

 

 

Thanks for finding that. So the mystery owner is actually Zimmerman. Got it.

^ That project is a lot more than underway. I walked past last weekend the buildings are pretty much up.

Photos?

Jobu needs a Refill, LLC????

Bam!

 

 

Sure makes the rest of those lots look even more awful...

 

 

Maybe one day this view will improve  :|

 

We should build 1,000 more between Downtown and the innerbelt, maybe mix in some street level retail too.

On a more substantive and recent matter' date=' this company just filed a tradename registration with the Ohio Secretary of State on Sept. 20, 2016 for "The Milton Townhomes." The incorporator and agent is Scott Orille, an attorney at Kahn Kruse Co., L.P.A. The actual owner is not identified.[/quote']

 

The "Business Address" on the Trade Name filing -- for the company (not the law firm filing the form) is 1481 Lindazzo--which is one of the existing townhomes.  The registered owner of that address is:  ZIMMERMAN, BRENT C. & CARY ANN.  On the drawings on the top left of each page it says "Zimmerman Remodeling & Construction".

 

 

Thanks. Duly noted....

 

Thanks for finding that. So the mystery owner is actually Zimmerman. Got it.

Bam!

 

 

Sure makes the rest of those lots look even more awful...

 

 

Maybe one day this view will improve  :|

 

 

I used to work in the Erieview Tower and used to park where that new development is. It is already a much better view.

Thanks. Duly noted....

 

Thanks for finding that. So the mystery owner is actually Zimmerman. Got it.

Zaremba aims to build apartments on the remaining land, with construction possible in the spring, said Lisa Saffle, director of sales and marketing for the company. But that deal, which cropped up last year, is still coming together.

 

"Meanwhile, Zimmerman is pushing ahead on his project, where townhouses will be roughly 1,200 square feet and monthly rents could start in the high $1,800s. Each unit will have two bedrooms and two bathrooms, with a two-car garage on the first floor and a balcony upstairs. Plans show four clusters of homes on a gated site, with a private dog run nestled in the middle of the property."

 

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2015/10/rental_townhouses_planned_for.html

Not your classic $1800 location.  One might expect the shadow of a windowless warehouse to fill in last, rather than first.  I assume these won't have any east-facing windows? 

^^ugh.....at least on Superior, it'd be nice to have some height, with some small street level retail to give some street life.  They don't have to be big spaces like developers seem to like to build nowadays which makes it easier for businesses to fail (given the higher rent). I'd say 10-15 stories would be fine and maybe lower height on the backside facing the 2-3 story townhomes.

^^ugh.....at least on Superior, it'd be nice to have some height, with some small street level retail to give some street life.  They don't have to be big spaces like developers seem to like to build nowadays which makes it easier for businesses to fail (given the higher rent). I'd say 10-15 stories would be fine and maybe lower height on the backside facing the 2-3 story townhomes.

 

Who wants density and retail when we can have gated communities right downtown?  And they need two-car garages so you can drive to the big boxes at Steelyard, or Beachwood if you prefer an upscale shopping experience.  That's what modern urban living is all about.

^^ugh.....at least on Superior, it'd be nice to have some height, with some small street level retail to give some street life.  They don't have to be big spaces like developers seem to like to build nowadays which makes it easier for businesses to fail (given the higher rent). I'd say 10-15 stories would be fine and maybe lower height on the backside facing the 2-3 story townhomes.

 

Well that would be great.

 

Do you think they could construct in a way that wouldn't literally "throw shade" at the existing townhomes?

^^ugh.....at least on Superior, it'd be nice to have some height, with some small street level retail to give some street life.  They don't have to be big spaces like developers seem to like to build nowadays which makes it easier for businesses to fail (given the higher rent). I'd say 10-15 stories would be fine and maybe lower height on the backside facing the 2-3 story townhomes.

You say that as if it's No big deal.  I don't think we've had more than one 10 story residential building constructed downtown in the past 10 years.  Hopefully that changes soon.  Still a lot of old stock to gut and renovate.

^Superior is an AVENUE--not a street. And a wide avenue at that. 3-story cute little townhouses on this part of Superior would look really bad.  If you can't build at least 7-8 stories, with some street activity, then I'd rather wait for an owner who can. Such height may be fine for 13, 14 or 15 st., but not superior.

^Superior is an AVENUE--not a street. And a wide avenue at that. 3-story cute little townhouses on this part of Superior would look really bad.  If you can't build at least 7-8 stories, with some street activity, then I'd rather wait for an owner who can. Such height may be fine for 13, 14 or 15 st., but not superior.

 

Who knows how long that will take

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^urban form. and it is possible.

Anything is possible when you consider the height and scale of buildings as some kind of abstract choice.

 

I'm not sure what you mean.  Of course it's a choice, how could it not be?  But in terms of urban planning this is textbook mid-century urban renewal, which means ridiculously out of date.  Higher quality but otherwise similar what happened on the near east side of Detroit a long time ago.  They have a big chunk of little cloistered suburban units right next to their skyline.  Major streets pass through unnoticed.  It didn't make sense then and it makes even less sense now. 

You can't choose your rents, your market and your financing. Without them, you can't build what you want, when you want.

The issue is where, and the city should not be supporting this.  At least not the part fronting Superior.