March 20, 20205 yr The government is projecting an 18 month duration, as wave after wave of newly infected, newly immunized, newly infected, newly immunized present themselves. This thing needs to work it's way through the global population until everyone has acquired immunity through exposure or vaccination. Government is attempting to manage the process so as not to overwhelm our extremely limited medical resources. Edited March 21, 20205 yr by Frmr CLEder
March 20, 20205 yr From what I am hearing, expect a 4% GDP drop this quarter and a 14% GDP drop second quarter. There is undoubtedly going to be a lot of economic pain to accompany the illnesses.
March 21, 20205 yr ^ We haven't seen anything like this in our lifetimes and the country/world hasn't since the Great Depression; GDP's negative because at least 1/4 of the population isn't working. Edited March 21, 20205 yr by Frmr CLEder
April 9, 20205 yr THURSDAY, APRIL 9, 2020 Coronavirus crisis casualties in Cleveland real estate ...Another sign of the times is that Geis Companies' 12th+AVE condominiums, now under construction on East 12th Street and Hamilton Avenue in downtown Cleveland, won't be marketed as condos. Instead, Geis will rent them out as apartments due the economic fallout from the coronavirus crisis as fewer buyers are likely to have the money to afford the condos when they hit the market. Also, the number of residences will increase from 31 condos to 35 apartments. But Geis will reportedly continue to use high-end materials in the finishes inside the residences and common areas. The condo building was planned with attached parking, fitness center, dog park, concierge, courtesy driver, business center, rooftop deck, grille, fire pit, bocce court and more. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/04/coronavirus-crisis-casualties-in.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 9, 20205 yr 20 minutes ago, KJP said: THURSDAY, APRIL 9, 2020 Coronavirus crisis casualties in Cleveland real estate ...Another sign of the times is that Geis Companies' 12th+AVE condominiums, now under construction on East 12th Street and Hamilton Avenue in downtown Cleveland, won't be marketed as condos. Instead, Geis will rent them out as apartments due the economic fallout from the coronavirus crisis as fewer buyers are likely to have the money to afford the condos when they hit the market. Also, the number of residences will increase from 31 condos to 35 apartments. But Geis will reportedly continue to use high-end materials in the finishes inside the residences and common areas. The condo building was planned with attached parking, fitness center, dog park, concierge, courtesy driver, business center, rooftop deck, grille, fire pit, bocce court and more. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/04/coronavirus-crisis-casualties-in.html Expected, but disappointing nonetheless. Lets hope that building fill up quickly with renters and Geis is ready to go after the condo market it again which I think he will be with the others surface lots nearby!
April 9, 20205 yr Even if it won't be condos right off the bat, will they still use condo materials for the structural portions? Eg thicker drywall, more insulation, etc?
April 10, 20205 yr 4 hours ago, mrclifton88 said: Does this kill whatever they had planned on the Spaghetti lot? Or delay it? No. Lots of moving parts involved. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 10, 20205 yr Man that sucks, talk about horrible timing. Totally get it, however, it’s the smart play.
April 10, 20205 yr 19 hours ago, KJP said: THURSDAY, APRIL 9, 2020 Coronavirus crisis casualties in Cleveland real estate ...Another sign of the times is that Geis Companies' 12th+AVE condominiums, now under construction on East 12th Street and Hamilton Avenue in downtown Cleveland, won't be marketed as condos. Instead, Geis will rent them out as apartments due the economic fallout from the coronavirus crisis as fewer buyers are likely to have the money to afford the condos when they hit the market. Also, the number of residences will increase from 31 condos to 35 apartments. But Geis will reportedly continue to use high-end materials in the finishes inside the residences and common areas. The condo building was planned with attached parking, fitness center, dog park, concierge, courtesy driver, business center, rooftop deck, grille, fire pit, bocce court and more. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/04/coronavirus-crisis-casualties-in.html Updated the article with a quote from a Geis VP. They got back to me today. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 10, 20205 yr Damn, that sucks. But at least the project is still going forward. With them being built to be condos, at least that will make it easy to be sold off once things get back to normal, like Stonebridge started doing a couple years ago with their rental units.
April 10, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, KJP said: Updated the article with a quote from a Geis VP. They got back to me today. Has starting rents at $2500/mo. It may slow things down a bit in the "for sale segment," but that could also signal a more meaningful development at the Spaghetti House site. ? Edited April 10, 20205 yr by Frmr CLEder
April 18, 20205 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 12, 20205 yr BTW the Geis apartments are pretty much topped out, it looks like. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 12, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, Oldmanladyluck said: Taken just now... Okay maybe I'm in a down mood, but couldn't they do anything to make the ground floor look more welcoming or interesting? This looks like an office building full of dentists.
May 12, 20205 yr Ground floor looks terrible here. The city has fought so hard in the neighborhoods to make the townhome code create active first floor spaces, due to the actual zoning of the downtown district they're probably limited in what they can do to force developers to create that. Unfortunately buyers don't typically care about active 1st floors...
May 12, 20205 yr 45 minutes ago, KJP said: BTW the Geis apartments are pretty much topped out, it looks like. Anybody got pictures?
May 12, 20205 yr 26 minutes ago, w28th said: Ground floor looks terrible here. The city has fought so hard in the neighborhoods to make the townhome code create active first floor spaces, due to the actual zoning of the downtown district they're probably limited in what they can do to force developers to create that. Unfortunately buyers don't typically care about active 1st floors... At least a glassy lobby at the street corner. 25 minutes ago, simplythis said: Anybody got pictures? I should've taken a picture a couple days ago. Maybe I'll get one tomorrow. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 12, 20205 yr 22 hours ago, KJP said: BTW the Geis apartments are pretty much topped out, it looks like. Confirmed. Edited May 12, 20205 yr by Oldmanladyluck
May 14, 20205 yr On 5/11/2020 at 6:49 PM, Oldmanladyluck said: Taken just now... This block of Townhomes in general, at least design wise, are a disaster. A dead zone in an area that could desperately use some sort of life. Edited May 14, 20205 yr by MyPhoneDead
May 14, 20205 yr 4 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said: This block of Townhomes in general, at least design wise, are a disaster. A dead zone in an area that could desperately use some sort of life. I really like the design of the next phase though, but yeah these seem to miss the mark.
July 1, 20204 yr Update of the Geis apartments from today. clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
July 1, 20204 yr Aw, I should've posted this from over the weekend..... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 1, 20204 yr I remember visiting Kensington in London a number of years ago and really loving the density of that neighborhood, even though I don't remember a single structure really being any taller than 8 stories. I would a larger network of these types of condos in this part of downtown, especially a few blocks east. I like tall buildings, but would prefer more density if given a choice. Not a big fan of the townhouses by 13th and Superior, feel they need to be 3 stories taller.
July 2, 20204 yr 15 hours ago, scg80 said: I remember visiting Kensington in London a number of years ago and really loving the density of that neighborhood, even though I don't remember a single structure really being any taller than 8 stories. I would a larger network of these types of condos in this part of downtown, especially a few blocks east. I like tall buildings, but would prefer more density if given a choice. Not a big fan of the townhouses by 13th and Superior, feel they need to be 3 stories taller. I've always found the 4-8 story range feels most comfortable as a pedestrian and offers up a high level of density so it's best of all worlds. I'd be more than happy with Cleveland filling in eastward to connect to University Circle via 3-6 story buildings transitioning to 4-8 story buildings as you get closer to University Circle and Downtown.
July 2, 20204 yr I don't love the new townhomes (the next phase seems better design wise), but I don't mind downtown having townhome-height density mixed throughout. Philadelphia and DC are two of the densest cities in the US, and they both have lots of 3-4 story single family homes mixed into the downtown/business district areas and nearby. They are both dense because they don't have huge stretches of open surface lots or vacant land, and instead almost all of the land is built on. If I had the option to have all of the vacant lots in and around downtown Cleveland filled with inhabited townhomes, with the exception of a few lots where that would be bizarre looking (for example, Public Square, on Euclid, on E.9th), I'd take it in a heartbeat.
July 3, 20204 yr Except for Midtown, parts of Chelsea and Lower Manhattan, most of NYC Streets, East and West, are 3-4 story townhomes. The Avenues are a different story. Some, once single family homes, have been converted, but the Village, Eastside, Westside, Harlem, Yorkville, Gramercy Park, Washington Square, etc., etc. are full of them. Edited July 3, 20204 yr by Frmr CLEder
July 3, 20204 yr On 7/2/2020 at 9:22 AM, jmicha said: I've always found the 4-8 story range feels most comfortable as a pedestrian and offers up a high level of density so it's best of all worlds. I'd be more than happy with Cleveland filling in eastward to connect to University Circle via 3-6 story buildings transitioning to 4-8 story buildings as you get closer to University Circle and Downtown. Such a shame--the St Clair/Superior neighborhood used to be filled with these very kind of buildings!
July 8, 20204 yr Today... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 8, 20204 yr Maybe now someone can take care of the landscaping down E. 12th and fix all the landscape lights that are mostly all broken?
July 8, 20204 yr Here's a question...any idea if there's any momentum for opening up the north side of the existing tower with windows? I would imagine those lake views would be worth quite a bit.
September 10, 20204 yr Love it except for that hideous outdoor wall. Looks like the back end of a Costco. They need to put a big mural on it or *something*. (I just tweeted that at them!)
September 10, 20204 yr ^ value engineered decision i'm sure but wrapping the brick facade to that wall would have been way better, visually. Mural idea, should help.
September 25, 20204 yr 31 minutes ago, Oldmanladyluck said: Quick pic of progress from the E. 12th side... Overall looking good...but YIKES I didn’t realize how dead of a street presence the addition would have until now. Looks like the back of a Holiday Inn Express. Shame.
September 25, 20204 yr 2 hours ago, brtshrcegr said: Overall looking good...but YIKES I didn’t realize how dead of a street presence the addition would have until now. Looks like the back of a Holiday Inn Express. Shame. Time for the original second tower!
September 25, 20204 yr 4 hours ago, brtshrcegr said: Overall looking good...but YIKES I didn’t realize how dead of a street presence the addition would have until now. Looks like the back of a Holiday Inn Express. Shame. I think it's more so that its just unfinished right now. If I remember correctly, the first floor units all have individual entry from the street, like townhomes.
October 1, 20204 yr Interesting find on the Knez website after reading this thread: Their website says that of the new Avenue townhomes only 3 remain, and they only list 2: https://knez.net/townhomes/the-avenue/ If that is true, I would imagine that bodes well for for-sale housing downtown?
October 1, 20204 yr I wonder if the 2-3 remaining units are the units that were built last year ( the far western-most units ) OR the future planned next phase on the parcel in the center? I do not know if that phase started construction.
October 1, 20204 yr I think it’s referencing the westernmost group you mention, which I still take to be good news given how recently they were built.
January 15, 20214 yr This building is even uglier in person. But, I suppose it’s better than what was there. So disappointing to see the poor design standards with the established builders we have in town. Just stop with all this ugliness. Thx.
January 15, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, marty15 said: This building is even uglier in person. But, I suppose it’s better than what was there. So disappointing to see the poor design standards with the established builders we have in town. Just stop with all this ugliness. Thx. Thanks for the pic. I agree and I was afraid this was going to be the result from day one. There is too much "thank you for building in our city" going on.
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