How was I off-topic?  I simply was refuting the claim that the Avenue District looks like something out of Solon...quite on topic in a discussion about the Avenue District being too suburban for downtown.

Sighhhh... :roll: You know how if a bunch of kids start acting up on the playground and the teacher yells at ALL of them, rather than wasting oxygen to seek out the initial instigator? If I said "jam40, get the f#ck back on topic...", then yes, you'd be right; but I didn't.

 

So get the f#ck back on topic!  :-) :evil: :-)

the reason i say it loks very out of place is b/c townhomes row houses etc are only typically built when space is at a premium and you need to make better use of a small area zoned for residential...as of right now, all around the avenue district there is no shortage of empty lots abandoned buildings...it just doesn't look right...

Do you think it will look right when the whole project is built?

i guess i'll reserve further judgement until i see more...

the reason i say it loks very out of place is b/c townhomes row houses etc are only typically built when space is at a premium and you need to make better use of a small area zoned for residential...as of right now, all around the avenue district there is no shortage of empty lots abandoned buildings...it just doesn't look right...

 

So are you saying it should be LESS dense to match the parking lots around it?  :?

no i am saying it shouldnt be there at all.  it looks out of place b/c there is nothing around it.

my comments apply only to site 3...the other 2 projects should look more at home in their surroundings...

no i am saying it shouldnt be there at all.  it looks out of place b/c there is nothing around it.

 

So what *should* be there...nothing?

no, anything i sbetter thn nothing at all...just something that looks moer at home.  Maybe, a mixed use blend of retail/office/and residential space.  I'd be all for knocking down the abandoned dilapidated brick structures and transplanting an Eaton or a Crocker into the entire area N-S between Superior and Chester and E-W East 13th - East 16th

no, anything i sbetter thn nothing at all...just something that looks moer at home.  Maybe, a mixed use blend of retail/office/and residential space.  I'd be all for knocking down the abandoned dilapidated brick structures and transplanting an Eaton or a Crocker into the entire area N-S between Superior and Chester and E-W East 13th - East 16th

 

Are you smoking crack?

Does anyone know what the retail plans are at the Avenue.  I have a feeling that several retailers are holding out right now to see how the Pesht, FEB and College town (especially CT) plans pan out.  CT is the best spot for retail in my eyes at this point being that young college students spend alot more than they have.  I could see AD attracting a mom and pop restaurant, dry cleaner and hair salon type tenants.

no i am saying it shouldnt be there at all.  it looks out of place b/c there is nothing around it.

 

Everyplace has to start somewhere.   Do you not establish a city because there are no buildings there?  Build it and they will come

no, anything i sbetter thn nothing at all...just something that looks moer at home.  Maybe, a mixed use blend of retail/office/and residential space.  I'd be all for knocking down the abandoned dilapidated brick structures and transplanting an Eaton or a Crocker into the entire area N-S between Superior and Chester and E-W East 13th - East 16th

 

Are you smoking crack?

 

wow dude calm down...what did you design it or something...step back from the ledge

no, anything i sbetter thn nothing at all...just something that looks moer at home.  Maybe, a mixed use blend of retail/office/and residential space.  I'd be all for knocking down the abandoned dilapidated brick structures and transplanting an Eaton or a Crocker into the entire area N-S between Superior and Chester and E-W East 13th - East 16th

 

Are you smoking crack?

 

wow dude calm down...what did you design it or something...step back from the ledge

 

Seconded. MTS you're off to a bad start since your few week absence.

wow dude calm down...what did you design it or something...step back from the ledge

 

NO, but to say put that butt ugly crap that was "designed" to look like a "downtown/urban enviornment" in the middle of the Cleveland is what I term crazy!

Seconded. MTS you're off to a bad start since your few week absence.

 

Its the headache, nausea & cramps. :whip:

its all in how you look at it.  i dont view it as "butt ugly crap" as you so eloquently stated. luckily, i live in America, where we're entitled to our opinions, and not Nazi Germany, or wherever it is where you're from...if you can take time away from your daily routine of burning books and suppressing viewpoints, goose step your way over to Crocker park. Envision that kind of urban density but on a much larger, grander scale due to the favorable conidiotns already in placein downtown.  Crocker Park was built rfom absolutely nothing, farmland, and look how successful it has become.

Crocker Park was built rfom absolutely nothing, farmland, and look how successful it has become.

 

Hm.

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(I know, Back on Topic Please, but one of my buttons got pushed.  Farmland isn't nothing.)

Ugh....the evil step sistah HBIC strikes again!  Damn you and your powers  :-D

It looks like they're finishing up the second floor today.

It looks like they're finishing up the second floor today.

picture please?

Cruising right along.  The one thing I've noticed is it doesn't seem like they are going all the way down 12th (toward Hamilton presently).

^The first segment only includes the tower - see the sections with the reddish cladding on the lower floors? IIRC, those will be built after the tower - not sure what point, maybe StrangeBrew or AvenueDistrict could respond with that info.

 

 

"picture please?"

 

Later this week.

I believe they are being built with the tower for constructability purposes, but possibly later on in this part of the process.  Basically, what I'm saying is when the tower opens up, so will everything in the above photo.

I was under the impression that only the southwest component of the complex was going up right now, not the whole block. According to language from Zaremba that MrNYC posted quite a while back, Block One was to be completed over a series of four phases (http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=2525.msg79635#msg79635).

Than they will have to put windows on the sides of the tower where they are deciding to terminate for now, and then take them out when they begin on the "flanks" going down 12th and St. Clair.  That just does not make sense to me.

^Also, with the amount of units they have sold, I don't think they would fit in just the "tower" portion of the structure.

Yeah, it seems unusual to me, too, but the sheer scope of Block 1, particularly with units fronting all four sides, seems too large to gel with their descriptions to date.

 

From a Zaremba press release in December 2006: "The first phase includes the construction of 50 elegant lofts, eight penthouses, and 15 townhomes, with master plans calling for 426 upscale housing units in a wide range of size and price options."

 

So the first phase is for 73 units, of a potential 426. I can't imagine that 73 units would take up much more space than the tower section of the building, particularly as some of those units are the townhouses over on Superior (so we're talking more in the, what, 58-63 range).

When I break the tower up, I can count about 22 units, but know way 58.  I really think all the structure along St. Clair and 12th is getting built, and the structures along Hamilton and, I guess that would be 15th, will come later

It looks like they're finishing up the second floor today.

picture please?

 

Repost, but you were gone.  You can see somewhat low-quality pictures from their webcam at http://www.theavenuedistrict.com/newlayout/webcam.asp

Repost, but you were gone.  You can see somewhat low-quality pictures from their webcam at

 

Thanks fosforos  :wink: 

 

I have checked the cam, but I prefer the HBICs pics!  You know, it gives him a purpose and makes him feel needed!  :laugh:  Besides, you know he doesn't go anywhere without his camera.

I appreciate the cam being operational, but I can't figure out why the image is so dark. It's semi-cloudy and bright at my office on E. 21st, but 12 blocks over, it perpetually looks like a tornado's about to touch down  :-)

I took some shots yesterday, but I have no internet at home right now.  AT&T strikes again!  Things are popping along.  I'm curious about the rest of the streetscape project, though.  Are they going to finish phase one construction and then start digging up the street?  That would be some red carpet for all the condo owners who forked over all that money!

^I've heard that they are up to 50 pre-sales.

Alrighty, as promised:

 

 

thank you....What would we do without the high and mighty HBIC? :roll:

We'd probalby still have to deal with DaninDC, for one.

Maybe I'm a moron for just now noticing, but isn't that Tyler Village in the upper right of this shot?

 

I'm pretty sure Tyler village is actually toward the upper left/middle of your shot (with a little piece of Josaphat Arts Hall sticking up fuzzily in its foreground) I believe that's probably the ArtCraft Building at Superior and E. 25th-ish in the upper right.

Yep, you're right... they must have given me de-caf again :-P

You know what I don't like?  That building on the corner of E. 13th & Rockwell.  It has no windows!  Talk about poor context and killing the sidewalk.  According to the County Auditor, it's owned by the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers. 

^Map Boy, I am glad you brought that up.  I have been intending to inquire about that "bunker" on this board for a while as I wondered who owned it and whether it may be possible that it will be torn down as part of the Avenue District.  It really takes away from that portion of the development and the street scape in general.

Are you talking about this building......

 

http://www.cbre.com/USA/US/OH/Cleveland/property/clevelandtechcenter.htm

That will be hideous when renovated.  But I don't think that is what they are talking about.  I think he means the little one story bunker at the NE corner of the Superior Ave. site.

^Correct.

I drove by the townhome site today and it looked as if excavation has begun on the next set of 10 townhomes.

they are...i live in reserve square and have a birds eye view of the whole situation...they are moving lightening fast...

yeah you said that right, i just looked at there webacam on their web site and i can see the second floor going up!!!

First phase on Block 1: the corner building shown in the rendering, along with the associated first half of the underground and ground level parking garage.  There will be NO windows on the Northern and Eastern facing facades of the first building.  Why?  Is because the next building on the site to be built will go right up to the first building.  The developer will most likely start the next building just as soon as the a) go on sale and b) sell 40 percent of the units in bldg. 2.  Stay Tuned.

^Have the pilings/footers/whatchamacallits already been put in for the next buildings?

 

Third floor is well underway: