February 3, 20223 yr Low carbon and hydrogen indutrial hub for OH, PA, and WV. This is interesting, although almost totally lacking in details; it's got some deep=pocketed participants.. http://newsfile.refinitiv.com/getnewsfile/v1/story?guid=urn:newsml:reuters.com:20220203:nBwBktl2a&default-theme=true Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
April 12, 20223 yr ideastream: Law to change Ohio's rules on overtime pay for commuting, checking messages coming in July. "A new law takes effect in Ohio in July that exempts businesses from being required to pay hourly workers overtime for commuting, checking work messages or other activities beyond the employee’s regular work schedule. ... “Overtime pay protections are not a handout. This is earned money," Smith said, noting that a study showed 67% of all Ohio jobs pay less than $40,000 a year. "This is about basic economic fairness." The Ohio Chamber of Commerce was among those pushing the law, saying it is a "Top 10 priority bill", since more hourly employees became eligible for overtime while working at home or remotely during the pandemic." https://www.ideastream.org/news/law-to-change-ohios-rules-on-overtime-pay-for-commuting-checking-messages-coming-in-july
April 18, 20223 yr ^If you're an hourly worker, then just don't bother checking your emails or doing anything while you're off the clock. If that's the type of environment employers want, then give it to them.
April 18, 20223 yr On 4/11/2022 at 9:52 PM, Luke_S said: ideastream: Law to change Ohio's rules on overtime pay for commuting, checking messages coming in July. "A new law takes effect in Ohio in July that exempts businesses from being required to pay hourly workers overtime for commuting, checking work messages or other activities beyond the employee’s regular work schedule. ... “Overtime pay protections are not a handout. This is earned money," Smith said, noting that a study showed 67% of all Ohio jobs pay less than $40,000 a year. "This is about basic economic fairness." The Ohio Chamber of Commerce was among those pushing the law, saying it is a "Top 10 priority bill", since more hourly employees became eligible for overtime while working at home or remotely during the pandemic." https://www.ideastream.org/news/law-to-change-ohios-rules-on-overtime-pay-for-commuting-checking-messages-coming-in-july Finally! A victory for capital over labor. They were due. Glad our brave legislators had the guts to stand up to Big Employee
April 18, 20223 yr 15 minutes ago, bumsquare said: Finally! A victory for capital over labor. They were due. Glad our brave legislators had the guts to stand up to Big Employee The GOP pretends to be the party of working class. Then they spend their time helping capital.
April 18, 20223 yr 4 hours ago, bumsquare said: Finally! A victory for capital over labor. They were due. Glad our brave legislators had the guts to stand up to Big Employee Well, this statement should make you admit all of your "it's both sides" schtick is an absolute a lie.
April 18, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, TheCOV said: Well, this statement should make you admit all of your "it's both sides" schtick is an absolute a lie. Are you confusing @bumsquare with someone else? I don’t remember him both-sides’ing anything. Maybe I missed something. Also this post was clearly sarcasm. When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
April 19, 20223 yr 5 hours ago, TheCOV said: Well, this statement should make you admit all of your "it's both sides" schtick is an absolute a lie. His post drips in sarcasm. His post is the opposite of what he said. He’s mocking the decision.
April 19, 20223 yr 15 hours ago, Boomerang_Brian said: Are you confusing @bumsquare with someone else? I don’t remember him both-sides’ing anything. Maybe I missed something. Also this post was clearly sarcasm. my aplogies.
April 19, 20223 yr Not sure if this is an appropriate place but median income data was published for February by metro area. Akron has had robust growth and is highest in the state (not surprising as it possesses some Cleveland suburbs). Columbus is surprisingly low. https://www.bls.gov/charts/metro-area-employment-and-unemployment/metro-area-oty-percent-change-in-average-weekly-earnings.htm
April 19, 20223 yr 15 minutes ago, bwheats said: Not sure if this is an appropriate place but median income data was published for February by metro area. Akron has had robust growth and is highest in the state (not surprising as it possesses some Cleveland suburbs). Columbus is surprisingly low. https://www.bls.gov/charts/metro-area-employment-and-unemployment/metro-area-oty-percent-change-in-average-weekly-earnings.htm Notably, this is not median income data. It is over the year change in private average weekly earnings--a different measure. Here's the latest median household income for each metro, from 2020 5-Year ACS: Columbus $67k Cincinnati $66k Akron $59k Cleveland $57k Canton $55k Dayton $55k Toledo $54k Youngstown $48k
April 19, 20223 yr You are correct, i misstated that it was median rather than average. All things considered why the stark difference in “average weekly earnings?” Are those at the top averaging much higher incomes in Akron, Cincy, and Cle? Based off your posted data, is Columbus doing better overall because median data suggests higher income levels per household. Because per capita income levels are higher in both Cincy and Cleveland.
April 19, 20223 yr Less Old Money in Columbus. New Money isn't as massive as Old Money. Up until 3-4 years ago it was nearly impossible to sell a house over $1M in the Columbus metro whereas that hasn't been a problem in Cleveland and Cincinnati for decades.
April 20, 20223 yr 7 hours ago, GCrites80s said: Less Old Money in Columbus. New Money isn't as massive as Old Money. Up until 3-4 years ago it was nearly impossible to sell a house over $1M in the Columbus metro whereas that hasn't been a problem in Cleveland and Cincinnati for decades. I think you’re off on that by about 5 years.
April 20, 20223 yr 11 hours ago, bwheats said: You are correct, i misstated that it was median rather than average. All things considered why the stark difference in “average weekly earnings?” Are those at the top averaging much higher incomes in Akron, Cincy, and Cle? Based off your posted data, is Columbus doing better overall because median data suggests higher income levels per household. Because per capita income levels are higher in both Cincy and Cleveland. Is it overtime, since Akron and Cleveland are still more union? The Statehouse is on it! Quickly taking care of that with the new law they enacted recently.
April 20, 20223 yr 9 hours ago, wpcc88 said: I think you’re off on that by about 5 years. Could be, I thought the downtown zoo got shot down in like 2018 but it was more like 2014.
April 20, 20223 yr 20 hours ago, bwheats said: You are correct, i misstated that it was median rather than average. All things considered why the stark difference in “average weekly earnings?” Are those at the top averaging much higher incomes in Akron, Cincy, and Cle? Based off your posted data, is Columbus doing better overall because median data suggests higher income levels per household. Because per capita income levels are higher in both Cincy and Cleveland. Could just be more earners per household in Cbus. The population is a bit younger on average than Cincy and especially CLE and Akron. So more two earner households?
April 21, 20223 yr Fascinating chart. Makes me wonder how people living in big coastal cities make ends meet. With the exception of Boston and the Bay Area, weekly pay isn't that much higher than in Ohio's biggest metros. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 21, 20223 yr 9 hours ago, KJP said: Fascinating chart. Makes me wonder how people living in big coastal cities make ends meet. With the exception of Boston and the Bay Area, weekly pay isn't that much higher than in Ohio's biggest metros. Roommates. But I also think a big factor is that they're doing metro areas and not city limits. Someone in Manhattan is almost assuredly making significantly more weekly than the average for the NY metro.
April 22, 20223 yr 4 hours ago, dastler said: Roommates. But I also think a big factor is that they're doing metro areas and not city limits. Someone in Manhattan is almost assuredly making significantly more weekly than the average for the NY metro. True, but in checking real estates prices throughout the metros of large East Coast cities, even the suburbs are quite pricey. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 1, 20223 yr Only Ohio's six largest metro areas, and especially its three largest, have gained jobs since 2015. Most of the rest of Ohio is dying... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 2, 20223 yr 21 hours ago, KJP said: Only Ohio's six largest metro areas, and especially its three largest, have gained jobs since 2015. Most of the rest of Ohio is dying... The link has been deleted. Unfortunately, no end in sight to Republican control so that trend line is likely to continue.
May 2, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Foraker said: The link has been deleted. Unfortunately, no end in sight to Republican control so that trend line is likely to continue. Here's a link to the report on Univ of Akron site: https://uakron.edu/economics/docs/Falling-Behind-December.pdf Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
May 3, 20223 yr 7 hours ago, Dougal said: Here's a link to the report on Univ of Akron site: https://uakron.edu/economics/docs/Falling-Behind-December.pdf Grim report. We rank 45th in quality of life, 37th in job growth, and 7th in corruption.
May 3, 20223 yr 9 hours ago, jcw92 said: Grim report. We rank 45th in quality of life, 37th in job growth, and 7th in corruption. I'm not nearly so depressed by the report. "Quality of life" is a very squishy criterion for judging economic policy; and this report is overly reliant on that single and very subjective "standard". Ohio's relative population ranking has declined; but how much does Ohio's geograhy play in that? It's a pretty small state in area and area is not addressed. Then there is the part where she claims Ohio's decline began in the 1850's - might as well say the decline began as the waters receded from the last Ice Age. Next come the timeframes she choses to measure; her starting dates guarantee a decline. As has often been noted on UO, Cleveland's turn around tilted sharply upward after 2015 or so; if your baseline is 2005 or earlier, the results are guaranteed to be gruesome. Someone with a different perspective, using the same data, could come up with a much more optimistic report. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
May 3, 20223 yr 44 minutes ago, Dougal said: As has often been noted on UO, Cleveland's turn around tilted sharply upward after 2015 or so; if your baseline is 2005 or earlier, the results are guaranteed to be gruesome. The Cleveland metro area lost over 12k people between 2020 and 2021. What is your assertion based on? I've seen no data to indicate that Cleveland saw a turn that "tilted sharply upward."
May 3, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, DEPACincy said: The Cleveland metro area lost over 12k people between 2020 and 2021. What is your assertion based on? I've seen no data to indicate that Cleveland saw a turn that "tilted sharply upward." Look at Cleveland's income tax revenues since 2015. They've grown strongly. Given the increase in the number of occupied housing units, it suggests that there are more working-age people in the city of Cleveland with better incomes and fewer families with lower incomes. The increase in working-age population is documented at the county level. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 3, 20223 yr I agree that quality of life is subjective even when using "objective" measures. So I'll give the state a pass on that one. Job growth has been a problem for decades and quality jobs even worse. There's no getting around that one and the reasons are obvious to me. The continued focus on good paying union manufacturing jobs is a big reason we fell behind as knowledge jobs became the driver of growth. By the time we realized what was happening we were already behind. Of course it's not just a Ohio problem as much of the inner three quarters of the country is playing catch up to the coasts. I am glad to see we rank 7th in corruption. Maybe that slap in the face will get our attention. I think political corruption has been a huge strain on us while at the same time going somewhat under the table to the general public. It's been going on for a long time. The massive First Energy, PUCO, state pols scandal is only the latest example. I would hope that something as blatant as that would serve as a wakeup call to all of us. Unfortunately, we see that the governor and the Republican controlled state house are doing their best to ignore the problem. Until that changes l'm afraid it will continue to be (corrupt) business as usual.
May 3, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, DEPACincy said: The Cleveland metro area lost over 12k people between 2020 and 2021. What is your assertion based on? I've seen no data to indicate that Cleveland saw a turn that "tilted sharply upward." Cuyahoga County's pre-COVID GDP Index performance from 2015-2019 was 103, 104, 105, 108,and 110. That is, Cuyahoga County's GDP growth was above average (i.e. >100) and growing at an accelerating rate. Prior to 2015, growth was average - 100, plus or minus a little. Source:http://proximityone.com/county_gdp.htm Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
May 3, 20223 yr 27 minutes ago, KJP said: Look at Cleveland's income tax revenues since 2015. They've grown strongly. Given the increase in the number of occupied housing units, it suggests that there are more working-age people in the city of Cleveland with better incomes and fewer families with lower incomes. The increase in working-age population is documented at the county level. 2 hours ago, Dougal said: Cuyahoga County's pre-COVID GDP Index performance from 2015-2019 was 103, 104, 105, 108,and 110. That is, Cuyahoga County's GDP growth was above average (i.e. >100) and growing at an accelerating rate. Prior to 2015, growth was average - 100, plus or minus a little. Source:http://proximityone.com/county_gdp.htm For sure. And my comment is not a smack at Cleveland. Let's just be realistic. The trend line is (mostly) positive in Cleveland now, but it does not represent a "sharp turn" just yet. I hope the upward trend continues and gets even stronger because I love Cleveland. Columbus is surging. Cincy is doing well. Cleveland has turned a corner. But we need stronger growth in all three to rise the tide in Ohio and make up for the losses in the rurals and smaller metros.
May 11, 20223 yr Ohio mentioned as a possible destination for a Twitter HQ relocation, post Musk acquisition. Although, at this point, all of it sounds like pure speculation, it is neat to think about Twitter setting up shop here. Why Ohio might be where Twitter’s headquarters lands “Twitter could mark the first high-profile headquarters search in a post-Covid world, and that might spell good news for smaller cities not usually on the short list for trophy relocations. Twitter’s headquarters is considered in play as Elon Musk works to complete his acquisition of the company, with many expecting the HQ to leave California. Musk himself has recently moved to Austin and taken Tesla’s headquarters with him. “Site selectors joke that Musk has been the gift that keeps on giving,” John Boyd, a principal at The Boyd Co., told me in discussing his latest research on HQ relocations and what it could mean for Twitter's search. “We see small market locations in states with superior tax climates – Florida, Nevada, Texas and Ohio – being squarely in the mix,” Boyd wrote in a story for Site Selection magazine on the prospects of a Twitter HQ search.” https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/05/11/why-everyone-might-be-surprised-where-twitter-s-he.html
May 11, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, amped91 said: John Boyd, a principal at The Boyd Co. Ahh, the old John Boyd switcheroo. Quote “I think the early favorites here, based on everything I heard, is Atlanta, Dallas and Charlotte,” The Boyd Co. principal John Boyd said. Boyd is a noted site selection consultant for private companies, although he is not working directly with Sherwin-Williams in its hunt.
May 17, 20223 yr Hmmm…… Hydrogen power plant proposed for former uranium enrichment facility in Southern Ohio “A hydrogen-fueled power plant is being proposed for the site of the toxic Portsmouth Gaseous Diffusion Plant in the southern Ohio community of Piketon. The Southern Ohio Diversification Initiative, an economic development group working with Ohio University and the Texas company Newpoint Gas, hopes the project will produce clean energy and replace some of the jobs lost when the uranium enrichment facility shuttered in 2001. The facility would generate 300 megawatts of power, employ at least 600 people, and provide hydrogen needed to manufacture products like cement and ammonia, which have a carbon-heavy production process, said Newpoint Gas CEO Wiley Rhodes. Newpoint Gas will procure hydrogen from natural gas and wants to get the facility online by the beginning of 2027, he said. He noted some details have not been worked out.“ https://www.dispatch.com/story/business/2022/05/17/hydrogen-power-facility-planned-site-former-piketon-plant/9798251002/
May 23, 20223 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 2, 20223 yr Good news for Northeast Ohio. Ford to build electric vehicle at Ohio Assembly Plant in Lorain County, invest $1.5 billion in plant Quote Ford on Thursday announced plans to build an all-electric commercial vehicle at the Ohio Assembly Plant, a move the company said would create 1,800 union jobs and come with a $1.5 billion investment. https://www.cleveland.com/business/2022/06/ford-to-build-electric-vehicle-at-ohio-assembly-plant-in-lorain-county-invest-15-billion-in-plant.html
June 9, 20223 yr https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-08/honda-lg-energy-eyeing-ohio-for-new-electric-car-battery-plant
June 11, 20223 yr On 6/9/2022 at 9:41 AM, LlamaLawyer said: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-08/honda-lg-energy-eyeing-ohio-for-new-electric-car-battery-plant Is access to water a high priority for battery factories? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 11, 20223 yr 42 minutes ago, KJP said: Is access to water a high priority for battery factories? Not that I know of. It is for semiconductors though.
June 13, 20223 yr All the papers are touting the play to put ARPA-H in Cleveland. Even Sen Brown seems active. This is where he should play hardball: "put it in Cleveland or I vote with Manchin." No more Mr. Nice guy. https://www.crainscleveland.com/government/cleveland-leaders-seek-bring-65-billion-health-research-agency-city Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
June 13, 20223 yr It’s about time our senators and congress people actually did something to bring in new business and jobs rather than playing the victim hood card. (brown, Fudge, et al ). When I did business in North Carolina, the difference was night and day In the quality of elected officials when it came to job creation,getting the states fair share, etc. Ohio, and NE Ohio in particular are just pathetic leadership wise in the last several decades ( see Kaptur, Kucinich, etc.).
June 13, 20223 yr I know $6.5 billion seems like a lot of money but is it? Consider.... The US Department of education has a roughly $70 billion per year budget and just under 4,000 employees. https://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/budget/budget21/summary/21summary.pdf National Institutes of Health has historically had an annual budget of about $40 billion per year and around 20,000 employees. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Institutes_of_Health Department of Housing & Urban Development has had a budget of $60 billion per year but just saw a big increase to $70 billion and 7,200-8,400 employees. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Housing_and_Urban_Development Based on those rates of spending per employee (from $2 million to $17.5 million), that works out to anywhere from 371 to 3,250 employees for this agency. If it's right in the middle of the two, it's about 1,810.5 full-time employee equivalents. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 13, 20223 yr I'll throw a little nugget out there -- med school should be free. What costs more to run, a med school or one elementary school? Before you say med school, think about the number of students at a med school versus an elementary.
June 13, 20223 yr 37 minutes ago, Wtd7575 said: It’s about time our senators and congress people actually did something to bring in new business and jobs rather than playing the victim hood card. (brown, Fudge, et al ). When I did business in North Carolina, the difference was night and day In the quality of elected officials when it came to job creation,getting the states fair share, etc. Ohio, and NE Ohio in particular are just pathetic leadership wise in the last several decades ( see Kaptur, Kucinich, etc.). Lou Stokes and Steve LaTourette were great at this. No one really since. Joyce has been in the minority, and Stokes' successors have not been focused on it at all.
June 13, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: I know $6.5 billion seems like a lot of money but is it? Consider.... The US Department of education has a roughly $70 billion per year budget and just under 4,000 employees. https://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/budget/budget21/summary/21summary.pdf National Institutes of Health has historically had an annual budget of about $40 billion per year and around 20,000 employees. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Institutes_of_Health Department of Housing & Urban Development has had a budget of $60 billion per year but just saw a big increase to $70 billion and 7,200-8,400 employees. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Housing_and_Urban_Development Based on those rates of spending per employee (from $2 million to $17.5 million), that works out to anywhere from 371 to 3,250 employees for this agency. If it's right in the middle of the two, it's about 1,810.5 full-time employee equivalents. I'll take 1,800 new jobs, plus whatever demand is created by those new jobs. Better than them going some place else. It may not be a complete game changer, but helps to diversify the economy and add to it.
June 13, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: Based on those rates of spending per employee (from $2 million to $17.5 million), that works out to anywhere from 371 to 3,250 employees for this agency. If it's right in the middle of the two, it's about 1,810.5 full-time employee equivalents. It's more than the direct spending and employmentm which will grow even larger; federal agencies beget new startups, support contractors, increase air traffic and hotel stays and reduce the tax drain on the local GDP. ARPA-H will rival the impact the CDC has on Atlanta in 5 years. It really is a whale of a prize and Cleveland is well qualified to get it. Of course, there will be competition: Boston, Philly, Raleigh, Houston to name just a few. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
June 13, 20223 yr Ohio Scores 53/100 in Business Climate for LGBTQ+ people, An Increase Over 2021 A new report was released this month ranking the business climate for LGTBQ+ people in all 50 states. Ohio scored a 53.43 out of 100, a failing score that actually represents an increase over 2021. Out Leadership’s State LGBTQ+ Business Climate Index measures “the impact government policies and prevalent attitudes have on LGBTQ+ people residing in each state, quantifying the economic imperatives for inclusion and the costs of discrimination.” More below: https://columbusunderground.com/ohio-scores-53-100-in-business-climate-for-lgbtq-people-an-increase-over-2021-bf1/ "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
June 13, 20223 yr 5 hours ago, Dougal said: All the papers are touting the play to put ARPA-H in Cleveland. Even Sen Brown seems active. This is where he should play hardball: "put it in Cleveland or I vote with Manchin." No more Mr. Nice guy. Strongly disagree with this. Scorched earth politics burn you too. ARPA-H coming here would be a huge win. And if we beat out Boston and Austin, I'd rather have folks reading the papers thinking "Dang, how did Cleveland get this? Maybe it's come along farther than I thought" as opposed to "The only reason that butthole city got ARPA-H is because their @$$ of a senator threatened to tank the entire Biden agenda. Good riddance." EDIT: Just to clear, I do think our representatives should negotiate passionately to put it here. But I don't think they should do that in a way that puts Manchin and Sherrod Brown in the same sentence. Edited June 13, 20223 yr by LlamaLawyer
June 13, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, LlamaLawyer said: Strongly disagree with this. Scorched earth politics burn you too. ARPA-H coming here would be a huge win. And if we beat out Boston and Austin, I'd rather have folks reading the papers thinking "Dang, how did Cleveland get this? Maybe it's come along farther than I thought" as opposed to "The only reason that butthole city got ARPA-H is because their @$$ of a senator threatened to tank the entire Biden agenda. Good riddance." EDIT: Just to clear, I do think our representatives should negotiate passionately to put it here. But I don't think they should do that in a way that puts Manchin and Sherrod Brown in the same sentence. How do you think Boston and Austin got where they are? Ted Kennedy/Tip O'Neill and Lyndon Johnson. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
June 14, 20223 yr We could offer up the mostly Empty Global Center for Health Innovation as their new offices. At least at that point the use of the building will be somewhat on brand for what the place was supposed to be used for. Edited June 14, 20223 yr by Mov2Ohio
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