June 12, 20241 yr Ohio has 1 of the worst economies in the US, according to recent study https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2024/06/11/ohio-worst-state-economies-us/74046364007/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 12, 20241 yr ^ lt always cracks me up when Republicans tout their business friendly policies while at the same they portray Dems as the anti-business party only to see that ACTUAL numbers tell a very different story. Also, Blue states tend to send more tax dollars to Washington while Red states usually recieve more federal aid than Blue states. And yet their leaders rail about the evils of welfare. Republicans do exel at one thing though. Propaganda. What a joke they are.
June 12, 20241 yr Because red state anti-intellectualism repels college graduates and not everyone wants to have to be a roofer for a living. Republicans didn't do anything to keep white-collar jobs from fleeing to the coasts since they want people who went to college to leave.
June 26, 2024Jun 26 I don't know where to put this - so i will put it here. It looks like Ohio is going to get a state fish. https://fox8.com/news/ohio-bill-would-make-walleye-the-state-fish/
November 6, 2024Nov 6 Ohio projected to experience long-term population decline, report reveals Ohio is in the initial stages of long-term population decline, with a report issued by the Department of Development predicting the state will lose 675,000 people by 2050. The state is projected to experience a gradual, sustained decrease in residents due to an aging population, declining fertility rates and slow migration patterns, according to the department. The agency projects Ohio’s population will decline by about 5.7%, or 675,000 people, from 2020 to 2050. During the same time period, the United States’ population is expected to increase by 12%.
November 7, 2024Nov 7 14 hours ago, taestell said: Ohio projected to experience long-term population decline, report reveals Ohio is in the initial stages of long-term population decline, with a report issued by the Department of Development predicting the state will lose 675,000 people by 2050. The state is projected to experience a gradual, sustained decrease in residents due to an aging population, declining fertility rates and slow migration patterns, according to the department. The agency projects Ohio’s population will decline by about 5.7%, or 675,000 people, from 2020 to 2050. During the same time period, the United States’ population is expected to increase by 12%. I'm about to add to it. I'll still have my house here but will likely change my residence to New York. I can't with good conscious give my tax dollars to a state that will have Bernie Moreno plus a MAGA Senator to be named later. I also resent the Ohio GOP for the ads filled with blatant lies about Issue 1. If my vote no longer counts here, then I'd rather have it not count in a state more closely aligned with my values.
November 7, 2024Nov 7 20 minutes ago, Cleburger said: I'm about to add to it. I'll still have my house here but will likely change my residence to New York. I can't with good conscious give my tax dollars to a state that will have Bernie Moreno plus a MAGA Senator to be named later. I also resent the Ohio GOP for the ads filled with blatant lies about Issue 1. If my vote no longer counts here, then I'd rather have it not count in a state more closely aligned with my values. What part of NY
November 7, 2024Nov 7 15 hours ago, taestell said: Ohio projected to experience long-term population decline, report reveals Ohio is in the initial stages of long-term population decline, with a report issued by the Department of Development predicting the state will lose 675,000 people by 2050. The state is projected to experience a gradual, sustained decrease in residents due to an aging population, declining fertility rates and slow migration patterns, according to the department. The agency projects Ohio’s population will decline by about 5.7%, or 675,000 people, from 2020 to 2050. During the same time period, the United States’ population is expected to increase by 12%. I find this difficult to believe given the eye turning to the Great Lakes region in general as climate catastrophes in other parts of the country become more common, coupled with overpriced real estate
November 7, 2024Nov 7 21 minutes ago, Cleburger said: I'm about to add to it. I'll still have my house here but will likely change my residence to New York. I can't with good conscious give my tax dollars to a state that will have Bernie Moreno plus a MAGA Senator to be named later. I also resent the Ohio GOP for the ads filled with blatant lies about Issue 1. If my vote no longer counts here, then I'd rather have it not count in a state more closely aligned with my values. I warned friends about the long term affect of this dynamic. As other blues concentrate, Dems will never win much nationally due to the electoral college.
November 7, 2024Nov 7 22 minutes ago, Cleburger said: I'm about to add to it. I'll still have my house here but will likely change my residence to New York. I can't with good conscious give my tax dollars to a state that will have Bernie Moreno plus a MAGA Senator to be named later. I also resent the Ohio GOP for the ads filled with blatant lies about Issue 1. If my vote no longer counts here, then I'd rather have it not count in a state more closely aligned with my values. 1 minute ago, TheCOV said: I warned friends about the long term affect of this dynamic. As other blues concentrate, Dems will never win much nationally due to the electoral college. We also are seriously looking at moving away after what has taken place in this state. My husband has wanted to leave to Chicago or Denver for some time, and I'm more on board now. I hope we lose enough population by 2030 census to remove another electoral vote or two. This state no longer deserves to be "influential". I used to have such pride in this state, and I'm officially checked out.
November 7, 2024Nov 7 1 minute ago, TheCOV said: I warned friends about the long term affect of this dynamic. As other blues concentrate, Dems will never win much nationally due to the electoral college. More conservatives relocate for political reasons than Dems... so I'm not sure that's true. The larger issue will be CA and NY losing votes in relation to TX and FL.
November 7, 2024Nov 7 6 minutes ago, YABO713 said: What part of NY We have another home in Buffalo, where the wife is from.
November 7, 2024Nov 7 2 minutes ago, YABO713 said: More conservatives relocate for political reasons than Dems... so I'm not sure that's true. The larger issue will be CA and NY losing votes in relation to TX and FL. Call me crazy, but Texas is increasingly on the brink of being purple/blue. Give it another election cycle or two.
November 7, 2024Nov 7 7 minutes ago, Gnoraa said: Call me crazy, but Texas is increasingly on the brink of being purple/blue. Give it another election cycle or two. If, and only if, Democrats can sell a compelling story to get the Hispanic vote back. Otherwise, losses in that demo will offset gains in in-migration.
November 7, 2024Nov 7 Again, not to over-simplify this, but I think the biggest issues Dems are having is the inability to be introspective, especially on social positions, because a sizable leftward chunk of the party has taken a firm "words are violence" stance that doesn't allow any thoughtful critique of positions and, thereby, allows the party to be framed (right or wrong) in that light.... hence the trans prisoner ads... I am a conservative and former Republican... I voted blue across the ticket because I thought it was the right thing to do... but dems are at an impasse where they either dig in their heels or re-evaluate... But we should probably move this to the election thread.
November 7, 2024Nov 7 9 minutes ago, YABO713 said: Again, not to over-simplify this, but I think the biggest issues Dems are having is the inability to be introspective, especially on social positions, because a sizable leftward chunk of the party has taken a firm "words are violence" stance that doesn't allow any thoughtful critique of positions and, thereby, allows the party to be framed (right or wrong) in that light.... hence the trans prisoner ads... I am a conservative and former Republican... I voted blue across the ticket because I thought it was the right thing to do... but dems are at an impasse where they either dig in their heels or re-evaluate... But we should probably move this to the election thread. I'm not allowed there so I'll chime in briefly here: the Democrats biggest issue is whenever they take power they seem to think they have it permanently and keep pushing like they do. Republicans know it's temporary, and act accordingly. That chunk of the part and what I call Cult45 (is it Cult47now?) both have heavily influence on the candidate selection process, which is not good. They are also emotion based which is less good.
November 7, 2024Nov 7 The thing about Ohio swinging so hard to the right is that.....we're not alone. I was actually pretty bummed at the state of everything in this state prior to the election, but then once I realized that nearly every single county of every single state swung hard to the right, I realized it's a problem with America and not just Ohio. Also, clustering to the same 5-6 cities/states in the country is a big factor with the state of the electoral college. Everything is so grim.
November 7, 2024Nov 7 1 minute ago, Zyrokai said: The thing about Ohio swinging so hard to the right is that.....we're not alone. I was actually pretty bummed at the state of everything in this state prior to the election, but then once I realized that nearly every single county of every single state swung hard to the right, I realized it's a problem with America and not just Ohio. Also, clustering to the same 5-6 cities/states in the country is a big factor with the state of the electoral college. Everything is so grim. Or we could all just live among each other and not pretend like certain states are veritable hell holes, rather than places that have policies that should be challenged.
November 7, 2024Nov 7 30 minutes ago, 10albersa said: If, and only if, Democrats can sell a compelling story to get the Hispanic vote back. Otherwise, losses in that demo will offset gains in in-migration. If Trump makes good on his promise to deport millions, the chaos that ensues may give Latinos a reason to return to the Democratic Party. Surely family members, friends and even some legal residents will be rounded up too. I doubt Stephen Miller really cares about the harm this will do. I also have to wonder how this new power will be used once the immigrants are gone. Do you really think it will be dissolved or might it then be turned towards domestic opponents? History has thoughts.
November 7, 2024Nov 7 Just now, Gnoraa said: We also are seriously looking at moving away after what has taken place in this state. My husband has wanted to leave to Chicago or Denver for some time, and I'm more on board now. I hope we lose enough population by 2030 census to remove another electoral vote or two. This state no longer deserves to be "influential". I used to have such pride in this state, and I'm officially checked out. 3 minutes ago, TheCOV said: I warned friends about the long term affect of this dynamic. As other blues concentrate, Dems will never win much nationally due to the electoral college. Before Issue 1 failed, I was pretty optimistic Ohio would eventually turn things around and at least become purple again. Ohioans as a whole seem to mostly want to do the right thing, but too often it doesn't matter without a huge and expensive statewide ballot initiative. And that can simply be tanked by our SOS, with the supreme court signing off. Our state elections anymore are mostly decided in the primaries, and those who care enough to vote in the primaries will pick the most idealogical pure candidate. Media coverage and general interest in state and local races is pretty minimal, so too many voters will just pick the people with the (R) next to their name without any additional thought. I've lived in various parts of Ohio for all but two years of my life, and my family is still here. I generally love it here and have always defended Ohio, but I'm become increasingly pessimistic that what Ohio is to me will continue to exist. Some of that has already started to happen, in small ways. We used to do most of our shopping in Newark/Heath, but at the start of the Trump era we just began to (subconsciously) feel like we didn't belong there. We started doing much of our shopping in Columbus. COVID hitting and vast mask compliance differences between the two areas made that change permanent. My wife is one to always explore potential job opportunities. I work remote so I can go anywhere, but I've always been a bit resistant and preferred to stay at least somewhat close to home. Yesterday, I told her that despite loving the little blue dot we current live in, it is starting to feel like a very small blue dot - and I would be okay to move to at least a blue county, if not a blue state. I hate to admit defeat, and don't love the idea that the redder this state becomes the less competitive national races are. But I don't want to have to take one for the team indefinitely, especially with a kid.
November 7, 2024Nov 7 I know this won't happen, but NEOH needs to become its own state (Western Reserve?) Otherwise, my other half & I are considering a move to Northern Vermont, with Montreal being a relatively close large city.
November 7, 2024Nov 7 At a recent speech, Jon Husted mentioned that Ohio is going to announce soon a company that will be building $24 billion of data centers in the state. Anyone have info on this? That's an investment the size of Intel.
November 7, 2024Nov 7 27 minutes ago, DHubb said: I know this won't happen, but NEOH needs to become its own state (Western Reserve?) Otherwise, my other half & I are considering a move to Northern Vermont, with Montreal being a relatively close large city. I love Burlington! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 7, 2024Nov 7 2 hours ago, YABO713 said: I find this difficult to believe given the eye turning to the Great Lakes region in general as climate catastrophes in other parts of the country become more common, coupled with overpriced real estate I agree with this. You gotta just roll your eyes at the "population projections" that are basically just drawing straight lines based on very recent trends. I am always reminded of this comic. Look, we control our own destiny. Fate is just what we allow to happen.
November 7, 2024Nov 7 Did you know that if current trends continue that there will be 204 million Amish in this country in 200 years?
November 7, 2024Nov 7 5 minutes ago, KJP said: I love Burlington! We've been there before. Beautiful area! That said, we really do love the NEOH area and much prefer to stay. It's the rest of Ohio we're concerned about, especially after reading the post made by taestell several hours ago. I wonder how will all this affect NEOH's economy?
November 7, 2024Nov 7 17 hours ago, taestell said: Ohio projected to experience long-term population decline, report reveals Ohio is in the initial stages of long-term population decline, with a report issued by the Department of Development predicting the state will lose 675,000 people by 2050. The state is projected to experience a gradual, sustained decrease in residents due to an aging population, declining fertility rates and slow migration patterns, according to the department. The agency projects Ohio’s population will decline by about 5.7%, or 675,000 people, from 2020 to 2050. During the same time period, the United States’ population is expected to increase by 12%. I don't believe this projection, which mostly straight-lines declines in the rural counties and growth in Columbus. Even the article itself says that the future can change. The foundations that fund the Greater Ohio Policy Center, which produced the study, are interested precisely in the changes the article says are required. Minor comment on the political crepe-hanging by disappointed Dems: Big comebacks regularly follow big defeats. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
November 7, 2024Nov 7 2 hours ago, Gnoraa said: Call me crazy, but Texas is increasingly on the brink of being purple/blue. Give it another election cycle or two. I feel like this is sort of off topic, but I just have to point it out. Ohio voted for Trump by a smaller margin than TX or FL (or for that matter Iowa, or any other state other than the seven swing states). Sherrod Brown's race was much closer than Ted Cruz's. We are a bluer state than Texas. Just to reiterate because everyone is talking about Texas being a future swing state that is turning blue. We are bluer than Texas. We voted +12 Trump. That sounds like a crazy margin, but it's a fairly normal margin for a purple state in a dramatic election victory. In 1988, HW won by +11. Then Clinton won twice, including by six points in 1996. That's a 17 point swing in eight years. Literally the only thing that stops us from being competitive is the failure of the Ohio Democratic Party to get its act together. In my opinion, the party has run maybe three truly strong candidates in statewide races over the last 15 years. The party is basically nonfunctional. I tried to and couldn't get a Yes on Issue 1 yard sign. In last year's August election, it was like pulling teeth to find a No on 1 yard sign. This is low hanging fruit. The Ohio Republican Party on the other hand is very functional. Mike DeWine is a good governor. John Kasich was a good governor. Jon Husted is a good Lt. Governor, and he will probably be a good gubernatorial candidate in 2026. The Democrats need to stop pandering, develop a clear platform that doesn't consist of three hot button issues, and clearly reject radicalism. Most importantly, Democrats need more truly dynamic and inspiring candidates. This is a problem with the party at the national level, but it's even worse here in Ohio.
November 7, 2024Nov 7 1 hour ago, LlamaLawyer said: At a recent speech, Jon Husted mentioned that Ohio is going to announce soon a company that will be building $24 billion of data centers in the state. Anyone have info on this? That's an investment the size of Intel. I know 5C is building a couple that I know of, but not sure if that’s them.
November 7, 2024Nov 7 2 hours ago, LlamaLawyer said: At a recent speech, Jon Husted mentioned that Ohio is going to announce soon a company that will be building $24 billion of data centers in the state. Anyone have info on this? That's an investment the size of Intel. Seems like those always end up in the Columbus area.
November 8, 2024Nov 8 Interesting conversation above, but it should probably be moved to a more appropriate thread...
December 3, 2024Dec 3 Forbes released their list of America's Dream Employers. https://www.forbes.com/lists/americas-dream-employers/ Ohio based businesses (list of 500): #9 University Hospitals #65 Akron Children's Hospital #87 Cardinal Health #102 Cincinnati Children's Hospital #106 Cleveland Clinic #189 Designer Brands #196 Cleveland State University #206 Victoria's Secret #230 Hyland Software #244 Medical Mutual of Ohio #337 Progressive Insurance #359 Heinen's Grocery Store #408 CrossCountry Mortgage #415 Bath & Body Works #424 Ohio State University Columbus #432 American Electric Power #441 Procter & Gamble
December 3, 2024Dec 3 6 hours ago, WhatUp said: Forbes released their list of America's Dream Employers. https://www.forbes.com/lists/americas-dream-employers/ Ohio based businesses (list of 500): #9 University Hospitals #65 Akron Children's Hospital #87 Cardinal Health #102 Cincinnati Children's Hospital #106 Cleveland Clinic #189 Designer Brands #196 Cleveland State University #206 Victoria's Secret #230 Hyland Software #244 Medical Mutual of Ohio #337 Progressive Insurance #359 Heinen's Grocery Store #408 CrossCountry Mortgage #415 Bath & Body Works #424 Ohio State University Columbus #432 American Electric Power #441 Procter & Gamble University Hospitals being number 9 is extremely surprising. Especially with the troubles they are having.
December 4, 2024Dec 4 13 hours ago, MyPhoneDead said: University Hospitals being number 9 is extremely surprising. Especially with the troubles they are having. A lot of this is image, surveys of students. Employees are surveyed as a reality check, but how much weight is that given? Interesting to see only three companies founded in the 21st century in the top 20, and two are SpaceX and Tesla. So much for startups...which many consider the best places to work. But students may not pick the same ones. Edited December 4, 2024Dec 4 by E Rocc
December 4, 2024Dec 4 1 hour ago, E Rocc said: A lot of this is image, surveys of students. Employees are surveyed as a reality check, but how much weight is that given? Interesting to see only three companies founded in the 21st century in the top 20, and two are SpaceX and Tesla. So much for startups...which many consider the best places to work. But students may not pick the same ones. Startups are usually struggling to survive. That leads to stress and often long hours. Well established companies generally are more secure, and have more resources to devote to employee satisfaction. Quite frankly, I assume the only reason Tesla and SpaceX are on the list is a sense of shared mission among the employees.
December 4, 2024Dec 4 28 minutes ago, Ethan said: Startups are usually struggling to survive. That leads to stress and often long hours. Well established companies generally are more secure, and have more resources to devote to employee satisfaction. Quite frankly, I assume the only reason Tesla and SpaceX are on the list is a sense of shared mission among the employees. As far as college students go, these are on the cutting edge of important goals so would be attractive. As the employees are apparently relatively content, they would reinforce this.
December 4, 2024Dec 4 2 hours ago, E Rocc said: A lot of this is image, surveys of students. Employees are surveyed as a reality check, but how much weight is that given? Interesting to see only three companies founded in the 21st century in the top 20, and two are SpaceX and Tesla. So much for startups...which many consider the best places to work. But students may not pick the same ones. If employees are weighted heavily, it could also be a survivor bias thing. I know 4 engineers who have worked for Tesla or SpaceX, and another who does 3rd party maintenance on their facilities frequently. None of those 4 engineers stuck around for more than 2 years. None of them have a positive thing to say outside of the end product potentially pushing society forward. The burnout rate and work culture is awful, as you can imagine with what we've seen with Elon's Twitter leadership. There is little organization and they just burn through huge amounts money on pointless things. But there are always new grads who want to work at the cool new company and think very highly of them. Those 2, and really most start ups these days, have become like some of the old fashioned NYC finance jobs where they just work people until they break. Many of the large older companies, at least as of 10ish years ago, were starting to improve benefits and work-life balance to attract the more talented workers who are already proven/trained from those high stress companies vs onboarding new grads.
December 4, 2024Dec 4 I can't speak to UH's national ranking but l'm not at all surprised it topped the Clinic by a lot. When l worked in research at the Clinic l was aware of several people who left for a similiar position at UH. I spoke with two of them and heard through the grapevine that all of them had salary increases and all of them said the work environment was less toxic. They were all happier for the move. People saying its just a more collegial environment. Like any workplace there is going to be good and bad. There is much to like about the Clinic. If nothing else its size does present opportunity. But that size also creates an environment that feels like a machine. I'm aware of conversations where issues about ways to improve things were brought up with management and getting shut down. Basically my way or the highway response.
December 4, 2024Dec 4 1 hour ago, PlanCleveland said: If employees are weighted heavily, it could also be a survivor bias thing. I know 4 engineers who have worked for Tesla or SpaceX, and another who does 3rd party maintenance on their facilities frequently. None of those 4 engineers stuck around for more than 2 years. None of them have a positive thing to say outside of the end product potentially pushing society forward. The burnout rate and work culture is awful, as you can imagine with what we've seen with Elon's Twitter leadership. There is little organization and they just burn through huge amounts money on pointless things. But there are always new grads who want to work at the cool new company and think very highly of them. Those 2, and really most start ups these days, have become like some of the old fashioned NYC finance jobs where they just work people until they break. Many of the large older companies, at least as of 10ish years ago, were starting to improve benefits and work-life balance to attract the more talented workers who are already proven/trained from those high stress companies vs onboarding new grads. There is an entire segment of the marketing profession revolving around getting young people to take shifty ("shifty" -- yeah that's the ticket) jobs.
January 16Jan 16 https://www.anduril.com/article/anduril-building-arsenal-1-hyperscale-manufacturing-facility-in-ohio/ Big deal.
January 20Jan 20 When/if Vivek Ramaswamy becomes governor and with JD Vance as VP, they're going to have tech connections that no previous prominent Ohio politicians had. We really could see an effort to make Ohio a new "Texas" with more major investments by the tech oligarchs in Columbus and possibly elsewhere in the state. A Space X launch pad on Middle Bass Island, for example.
February 24Feb 24 Interesting little tidbit here. Last year, Ohio's labor force grew more in absolute terms than any other midwestern state. EDIT: Okay, so I looked at some more data and, maybe I'm incorrect here, but it looks like Texas was the only state in the entire U.S. that added more to its labor force last year than Ohio did?? Florida actually experienced decline, New York and Pennsylvania had decline, California had very modest gains, and most of the south had pretty solid per capita gains, but not as much as Ohio in absolute per-state numbers. We're not nearly as close to the top of the pack by percentage. But still, it seems pretty shocking and impressive to me that we are second (very distant second) only to Texas in absolute gain during 2024. Edited February 24Feb 24 by LlamaLawyer
February 27Feb 27 Cincinnati region overtakes Columbus as Ohio's employment king, Huntington report shows https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2025/02/27/cincinnati-tops-columbus-in-number-of-employees-and-gdp-per-huntington/80694707007/ https://www.cincinnati.com/story/money/business/2025/02/27/cincinnati-tops-columbus-in-number-of-employees-and-gdp-per-huntington/80711937007/?tbref=hp Edited February 27Feb 27 by 646empire
February 28Feb 28 8 hours ago, 646empire said: Cincinnati region overtakes Columbus as Ohio's employment king, Huntington report shows https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2025/02/27/cincinnati-tops-columbus-in-number-of-employees-and-gdp-per-huntington/80694707007/ https://www.cincinnati.com/story/money/business/2025/02/27/cincinnati-tops-columbus-in-number-of-employees-and-gdp-per-huntington/80711937007/?tbref=hp That pretty surprising, but with Kroger and P & G being so massive it really shouldn’t be that surprising.
February 28Feb 28 16 hours ago, 646empire said: Cincinnati region overtakes Columbus as Ohio's employment king, Huntington report shows https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2025/02/27/cincinnati-tops-columbus-in-number-of-employees-and-gdp-per-huntington/80694707007/ https://www.cincinnati.com/story/money/business/2025/02/27/cincinnati-tops-columbus-in-number-of-employees-and-gdp-per-huntington/80711937007/?tbref=hp Does the Cleveland area include Akron? Akron-Canton?
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