July 27, 20177 yr I'll make one final comment and then I will stop taking this thread off topic. The following statement can all be true 1. Wisconsin is doing well 2. The Foxconn deal is a terrible example of "economic development" 3. The state government in Wisconsin is pissing away decades of investment in higher education to dole out tax cuts and road infrastructure cuts 4. JobsOhio is terrible with the exception of Columbus 2020 That is all
July 27, 20177 yr Of course people from Milwaukee are going to move back to Milwaukee. It's their home. If clevelanders were going to UM-milwaukee, I bet they would say they were coming to find work in ohio
July 27, 20177 yr Speaking of Foxconn, ... Foxconn building Wisconsin plant; is Ohio next? Wisconsin got the good news Wednesday that Asian electronics giant Foxconn will build a massive plant in the state, but sources say central Ohio is in a very strong position to attract a separate project from the electronics manufacturer. A source close to the situation said Foxconn Chairman Terry Gou flew to Columbus Wednesday evening, right after a White House event with President Donald Trump to announce the Wisconsin project, so Gou could meet at a Short North restaurant with members of the Columbus Partnership and other business and community leaders. “This will happen in Columbus,” said the source, speaking on the condition of anonymity because the person was not authorized to discuss the topic. “The (Foxconn) chairman flew from D.C. to Columbus for dinner” with community leaders. Read more, http://www.dispatch.com/news/20170727/foxconn-building-wisconsin-plant-is-ohio-next
July 27, 20177 yr Don't count on it. Foxconn loves to over promise to get their handout and under deliver. America and the Foxconn Dream https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-27/america-and-the-foxconn-dream
July 27, 20177 yr Don't count on it. Foxconn loves to over promise to get their handout and under deliver. America and the Foxconn Dream https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-27/america-and-the-foxconn-dream Thus the name Fox"conn"
July 27, 20177 yr Scott Walker said the Foxconn deal will bring 13,000 jobs to Wisconsin. Foxconn said that number is actually 3,000. https://t.co/QnZFJXdyPy Two Amazon fulfillment centers would deliver at least as many jobs. I get that it would be great to have these Foxconn jobs but it sounds like MissinOhio's presumption is that Ohio could do no right with this and any other job-creation or attraction effort. It's just not that simple. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 28, 20177 yr According to this article, Foxconn is saying the average salary would be $53K + benefits http://www.jsonline.com/story/money/business/2017/07/27/foxconn-says-create-thousands-jobs-surprisingly-good-wages/513731001/ Take that for what it's worth. If you have a couple highly paid executives, that could skew the figures against the remaining employees. Just for fun, I looked up Wisconsin's state income tax. If we take their tax rate (which is incremental), and apply it against that average salary, they would generate approximately $2,923 per employee. This obviously fluctuates depending on what salary level you're on. Anyhoo, that average take x 3000 employees, generates $8.8MM in income tax annually. This doesn't include the ancillary benefit of shoot off businesses that arise from Foxconn being there, or of the benefit of higher purchasing power of the employees, etc.
July 31, 20177 yr Ohio factory owner says she has jobs but shortage of sober applicants An Ohio factory owner said Saturday that though she has blue-collar jobs available at her company, she struggles to fill positions because so many candidates fail drug tests, CNN reports. Regina Mitchell, a co-owner of Warren Fabricating & Machining in Hubbard, Ohio, told the New York Times this week that 4 out of 10 applicants otherwise qualified to be welders, machinists and crane operators will fail a routine drug test.
August 1, 20177 yr Does the Associated Press know where Columbus is? Tell me this isn't a Michigan-Ohio thing by an ex-pat... DENSO to expand Michigan regional headquarters, Ohio office JULY 31, 2017 10:24 AM SOUTHFIELD, MICH. Auto supplier DENSO is expanding a regional headquarters in Michigan and a satellite office in Ohio. The Japan-based company announced Monday that $75 million will be used to renovate research and development facilities in Southfield, north of Detroit, to focus on automotive safety, cybersecurity and autonomous vehicles. DENSO says it also will create 120 new jobs in Southfield. A $500,000 investment will renovate and expand a satellite office southwest of Cleveland in Dublin, Ohio. MORE: http://www.sacbee.com/news/business/article164553607.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 2, 20177 yr ^that's okay--outside of Ohio, more people know where Cleveland is than they do Columbus.
August 2, 20177 yr ^that's okay--outside of Ohio, more people know where Cleveland is than they do Columbus. I can almost guarantee most Americans couldn't point where Columbus or Cleveland is on a map of Ohio equally. They'd be lucky if they found Ohio on a map. I agree with KJP, the Associated Press should've known better. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
August 2, 20177 yr ^Regarding finding 'ohio' on a map, this is fun: someone gave a bunch of Brits a map of the US and asked them to label the states: https://www.buzzfeed.com/robinedds/its-thanksgiving-so-we-asked-some-brits-to-label-the-us-stat
August 2, 20177 yr I find that most people outside of Ohio don't know where our cities are located unless they've been here before. Someone on the West Coast thought Cleveland was on the Ohio River. But again I don't know exactly where in a state many cities are located.
August 2, 20177 yr ^on the link i posted above, they also did a survey of Americans labeling the European countries.....nothing to be proud of!
August 2, 20177 yr I'd like to see the average college-educated American label the English counties. I'd like to see a Brit try that too. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 2, 20177 yr Does the Associated Press know where Columbus is? Tell me this isn't a Michigan-Ohio thing by an ex-pat... DENSO to expand Michigan regional headquarters, Ohio office JULY 31, 2017 10:24 AM SOUTHFIELD, MICH. Auto supplier DENSO is expanding a regional headquarters in Michigan and a satellite office in Ohio. The Japan-based company announced Monday that $75 million will be used to renovate research and development facilities in Southfield, north of Detroit, to focus on automotive safety, cybersecurity and autonomous vehicles. DENSO says it also will create 120 new jobs in Southfield. A $500,000 investment will renovate and expand a satellite office southwest of Cleveland in Dublin, Ohio. MORE: http://www.sacbee.com/news/business/article164553607.html Freaking hilarious!!! I can't wait to read the AP's recap of last night's Buffalo Indians game.
August 9, 20177 yr Who was on this board talking about how terrible the Foxconn deal was when it was announced? Wisconsin won't break even on Foxconn plant incentives for 25 years: analysis The bureau based its analysis on Foxconn reaching its threshold of 13,000 employees, Reinhardt said. If the actual employment number was 3,000, the break-even point would be so far in the future that it is "silly to talk about," he said. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-foxconn-wisconsin-idUSKBN1AO2JQ It appears that the legislature doesn't yet have the votes to approve this deal either.
August 9, 20177 yr Someone on the West Coast thought Cleveland was on the Ohio River. I had a customer from Pittsburgh the other day ask me where that river (pointing at the Cuyahoga) connects with the ohio... before or after Pittsburgh?
August 9, 20177 yr I find that most people outside of Ohio don't know where our cities are located unless they've been here before. In some foreign countries English lessons teach the 3 C's to help illustrate the many hats worn by the letter.
August 29, 20177 yr Ohio is apparently in the running too. But where? Indiana in the running for Mazda-Toyota plant that would employ 4,000 http://www.nwitimes.com/business/local/indiana-in-the-running-for-mazda-toyota-plant-that-would/article_4b4b1507-1529-5872-a52c-2cb3ea88639a.amp.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 29, 20177 yr Of course people from Milwaukee are going to move back to Milwaukee. It's their home. If clevelanders were going to UM-milwaukee, I bet they would say they were coming to find work in ohio Great. Why shouldn't they stay in Cleveland? They had great internships with UH and the Clinic. Maybe that's striving for too much. Come to school here, but leave when you're done.
August 29, 20177 yr Scott Walker said the Foxconn deal will bring 13,000 jobs to Wisconsin. Foxconn said that number is actually 3,000. https://t.co/QnZFJXdyPy Two Amazon fulfillment centers would deliver at least as many jobs. I get that it would be great to have these Foxconn jobs but it sounds like MissinOhio's presumption is that Ohio could do no right with this and any other job-creation or attraction effort. It's just not that simple. KJP, did you read any of my posts, or do you just pick and pull out of it what you want? I didn't say the Foxconn deal was a good one. But if you look at the investment that is happening in rival states around Ohio, it's been much better. The jobs numbers over the last couple of years speak volumes.
August 29, 20177 yr KJP, did you read any of my posts, or do you just pick and pull out of it what you want? I didn't say the Foxconn deal was a good one. But if you look at the investment that is happening in rival states around Ohio, it's been much better. The jobs numbers over the last couple of years speak volumes. Yes, I most certainly did read it. And yes, I most certainly do pick out the portions I find fault with to comment on it. I also note that you have a tradition of finding fault with just about everything Ohio does, even when it does the right thing. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 29, 20177 yr KJP, did you read any of my posts, or do you just pick and pull out of it what you want? I didn't say the Foxconn deal was a good one. But if you look at the investment that is happening in rival states around Ohio, it's been much better. The jobs numbers over the last couple of years speak volumes. Yes, I most certainly did read it. And yes, I most certainly do pick out the portions I find fault with to comment on it. I also note that you have a tradition of finding fault with just about everything Ohio does, even when it does the right thing. No actually I don't. I have proudly defended Ohio, and still do on many websites. Just because I have posted here about Ohio's job numbers, I get chastised as not finding the positives in Ohio. I just don't get the crazy boosterism of certain Cleveland posters.
September 6, 20177 yr Marcus & Millichap: Apartment sector booming across Midwest August 29, 2017 | Dan Rafter How strong is the multifamily sector across the Midwest? According to Marcus & Millichap’s third-quarter research, several Midwest cities continue to see record-setting apartment development and vacancy rates. Consider the company’s Kansas City report. According to Marcus, 4,675 apartment units will be completed in the Missouri city this year. That’s up from 3,350 new apartment units delivered here in 2016. Vacancy rates here will rise a bit – jumping 100 basis points – to 6 percent this year. But that won’t hurt rents, with Marcus & Millichap predicting that asking rents in the Kansas City area rising 2.8 percent to an average of $890 a month. The news was good throughout the state of Ohio, too, with vacancy rates remaining law in the state’s three biggest cities. Marcus & Millichap reported that the apartment vacancy rate fell 60 basis points in the third quarter in Cincinnati to 3.1 percent. Asking rents here rose 7.1 percent to an average of $948. MORE http://rejournals.com/Articles/2017/08/29/Marcus-Millichap-Apartment-se "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 7, 20177 yr Come on Ohio, dream big! Amazon wants to open a $5 billion second HQ in North America by Charles Riley @CRrileyCNN September 7, 2017: 6:39 AM ET Amazon has announced plans to open a second headquarters in North America that will employ as many as 50,000 workers. The company announced Thursday that it is searching for a city to host the new "HQ2" facility, which will cost at least $5 billion to construct and operate. http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/07/technology/amazon-second-headquarters/index.html
September 7, 20177 yr Here's the RFP https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/G/01/Anything/test/images/usa/RFP_3._V516043504_.pdf Cleveland should offer up Burke
September 7, 20177 yr Here's the RFP https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/G/01/Anything/test/images/usa/RFP_3._V516043504_.pdf Cleveland should offer up Burke I don't know about Burke when there are acres of land in the city of Cleveland that need development. It seems wide open to submit--maybe us CLE UOers can come up with a RFP to send them? It's probably more than Frank Jackson will do....
September 7, 20177 yr This seems like something GCP or TeamNEO should be doing rather than City of Cleveland. The RFP states they only want one submission from each MSA. I only say to offer Burke because I think a waterfront location could be compelling for Amazon. But I also realize it's a pipe dream to get them here too.
September 7, 20177 yr This seems like something GCP or TeamNEO should be doing rather than City of Cleveland. The RFP states they only want one submission from each MSA. I only say to offer Burke because I think a waterfront location could be compelling for Amazon. But I also realize it's a pipe dream to get them here too. Ah ok understood. I'd rather see them with towers in the WHD surface parking lots and use Burke as another selling point for them. I'm sure with all the dotcom money coming and going from offices, they would love a private airport minutes from their campus as well. Let's call it Cleveland's Boeing Field... :)
September 7, 20177 yr This seems like something GCP or TeamNEO should be doing rather than City of Cleveland. The RFP states they only want one submission from each MSA. I only say to offer Burke because I think a waterfront location could be compelling for Amazon. But I also realize it's a pipe dream to get them here too. Totally agree with your comments. But I think there are two other areas that could work for an HQ like this. The Opportunity Corridor being one, even though along the OP I don't think the infrastructure is in place. The second spot that I think could work for an Amazon HQ2 is the May Co. building on PS. It has the initial 500,000 sq ft of space Amazon is seeking. And for future expansion, Amazon could build on the old May Co parking garage site, Jacobs PS site, and of course the super block site in the Ware House District.
September 7, 20177 yr Looking at their building style in Seattle I would say the Avenue District in Cleveland would be perfect for them to build out a huge mid-rise campus along E12th to the Lake. Either that or a 100 floor tower on Jacobs lot... I kidd, I kidd.
September 7, 20177 yr Cincinnati already has the nascent Prime Air Hub. That would be a big advantage for a Cincinnati HQ. But honestly it would be great if it landed anywhere in Ohio or elsewhere in the Midwest.
September 7, 20177 yr This seems like something GCP or TeamNEO should be doing rather than City of Cleveland. The RFP states they only want one submission from each MSA. I only say to offer Burke because I think a waterfront location could be compelling for Amazon. But I also realize it's a pipe dream to get them here too. Totally agree with your comments. But I think there are two other areas that could work for an HQ like this. The Opportunity Corridor being one, even though along the OP I don't think the infrastructure is in place. The second spot that I think could work for an Amazon HQ2 is the May Co. building on PS. It has the initial 500,000 sq ft of space Amazon is seeking. And for future expansion, Amazon could build on the old May Co parking garage site, Jacobs PS site, and of course the super block site in the Ware House District. I initially thought about Opportunity Corridor too. Perhaps there's a site on East 105th near the IBM (Explorys) construction which puts them near CWRU.
September 7, 20177 yr Cincinnati already has the nascent Prime Air Hub. That would be a big advantage for a Cincinnati HQ. But honestly it would be great if it landed anywhere in Ohio or elsewhere in the Midwest. I sort of feel that Columbus might have an edge for an Ohio location due to the presence of OSU but I somehow feel this is going to end up on the East Coast TBH.
September 7, 20177 yr Talent availability seems like it would be a huge factor. 50,000 jobs is a lot to fill with qualified candidates. That being said, it would seem Dallas/Atlanta/Chicago/east coast would make sense.
September 7, 20177 yr If they really do mean 50,000 employees, then one building isn't going to cut it. Key Tower can accommodate up to "only" 7,500 employees. The massive Cleveland Clinic campus has just under 30,000 workers. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 7, 20177 yr If they really do mean 50,000 employees, then one building isn't going to cut it. Key Tower can accommodate up to "only" 7,500 employees. The massive Cleveland Clinic campus has just under 30,000 workers. All the more reason to hand them Burke to build a campus.
September 7, 20177 yr Talent availability seems like it would be a huge factor. 50,000 jobs is a lot to fill with qualified candidates. That being said, it would seem Dallas/Atlanta/Chicago/east coast would make sense. You are likely correct but Amazon might have enough to pull to attract workers from any location. That being said I won't be surprised if this ends up at one of those locations.
September 7, 20177 yr If they locate in Cincinnati they could poach all of Kroger/Dunhumby's marketing and analytics people.
September 7, 20177 yr Talent availability seems like it would be a huge factor. 50,000 jobs is a lot to fill with qualified candidates. That being said, it would seem Dallas/Atlanta/Chicago/east coast would make sense. Maybe also North Carolina? Chicago is my guess, if it ends up putting in a decent bid. Large skilled workforce, reasonable development costs, great air connections, and the type of urban setting Amazon brass is comfortable with and sees as an asset.
September 7, 20177 yr The metro would have to have the infrastructure to accept 50,000 workers in one area. That's over 100,000 extra trips to where ever it will be located. If it's Ohio it better build commuter rail to accommodate it.
September 7, 20177 yr Talent availability seems like it would be a huge factor. 50,000 jobs is a lot to fill with qualified candidates. That being said, it would seem Dallas/Atlanta/Chicago/east coast would make sense. Maybe also North Carolina? Chicago is my guess, if it ends up putting in a decent bid. Large skilled workforce, reasonable development costs, great air connections, and the type of urban setting Amazon brass is comfortable with and sees as an asset. My guess is they want a true up-and-comer versus an established place like Chicago. Raleigh/Durham, Columbus, Indy, Nashville, Austin all make sense. Second tier in my opinion would be Cinci, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Charlotte. Third tier would be Chicago, Atlanta, Dallas. I for one am not a huge fan of the North Carolina options; it seems that state doesn't believe in sidewalks or walk-able suburbs in any sense of the word but for the lone reason of cheap real estate companies flock there.
September 7, 20177 yr I have been selling to/visiting Amazon's Seattle offices regularly since 1999 - seeing first hand what they have done to (most recently) a large section on the former fringes of downtown Seattle. The buildings. The businesses. The housing. The people. Incredible... If a Chicago or Atlanta type city gets this new HQ, it will be a big deal. If a smaller or up and comer gets it - it will be unbelievably game changing. Transformational in a way nothing else could be.. A non growth city could be a growing, destination city instantly etc.. I would say a Nashville type of city is more in tune with their current setting/culture... and that major cities like those noted above always have a shot. But what Amazon could do for Cleveland or Detroit etc... Great PR for them. Well. It's worth our city's time to put in an offer.
September 7, 20177 yr The metro would have to have the infrastructure to accept 50,000 workers in one area. That's over 100,000 extra trips to where ever it will be located. If it's Ohio it better build commuter rail to accommodate it. Greater Cleveland designed and built its highway and rail system in the 1950s-60s for a metro area that was projected to grow to 4 million people by the 1980s. It also has an entire airport concourse that's brand new and sitting unused. It can handle the additional road/rail/air traffic. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 7, 20177 yr If they are looking at that many people. Easily half the 50k would be coming from outside the region in most any location they chose. My initial thought was land to build that big of an HQ. Not many cities have that kind of land available in or nearby their downtowns. The next thought was price of land and the price of the infrastructure needed to handle this undertaking. Putting this in Silicon Valley would be very expensive with land and infrastructure. Then paying the people there would get even more expensive. I would think for this reason NYC, SF, and Chicago would be off the list. Houston could make the cut except as seen by the hurricane hitting, not a good place for a new HQ. I would think Atlanta must be a favorite. perhaps Denver. If they were considering Cleveland, Scranton peninsula may work and also perhaps the northcoast harbor. They could easily fund the skylift gondolas and/or a streetcar into Scranton to make getting around downtown convenient.
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