12 hours ago, jeremyck01 said:

Lol, as someone who is a Cleveland booster, I don’t see the point in acting as if the two cities are in competition. I was in Columbus in February and it’s booming.

 

What’s good for any of Ohio’s big cities is good for all of Ohio. Competition is silly.  Attempting to stir the pot on UO is even sillier.   

 

If you think cities are not in competition with each other, what was all that Amazon HQ2 business about? In any event, I wasn't trying to "stir the pot", but merely reporting--like so many others here do--on something overheard. And looking at the data, it doesn't sound unreasonable.

Well, when you start from the bottom, your percentage is going to be higher than if you're on top.  Cardi B went from 0 to 100% in GDP change thanks to an invasion of her privacy.  Beyonce took a dip since her lemonade stand went dry working on crowning a lion.  Her GDP likely dropped.

 

Still, Beyonce is Beyonce and Cardi is on her way.  Thus, Columbus and Cleveland.

9 hours ago, Clefan98 said:

 

Overall point taken, but acting like you can tell if a city is booming or not by an overnight visit in Feb is quite humorous.

 

I was in Columbus for several days for work speaking with movers and shakers in the business community.  I got a very good sense of what is happening there.  You're assumption that I was only there overnight is based on what? 

 

Columbus is doing very well. There is no other way to put it.  Cleveland is doing well compared to what it has been doing 10-20 years ago, but of course is battling issues that don't affect Columbus as much: poverty, crime, loss of manufacturing, etc.    Cleveland is not made lesser by Columbus' successes, but should focus on ways to solve and improve the issues that are unique to Cleveland and then celebrate it's own unique successes.  

Edited July 14, 20195 yr by jeremyck01

On 7/12/2019 at 3:12 PM, Pugu said:

Has Columbus peaked? I heard some people talking that Columbus' growth is slowing

I don't think we've seen Columbus's boom yet.

 

Who are these people you're hearing?

 

I'm willing to bet when we see the numbers for 2018 that Columbus will be +3.0%+.

14 hours ago, aderwent said:

I don't think we've seen Columbus's boom yet.

 

Who are these people you're hearing?

 

I'm willing to bet when we see the numbers for 2018 that Columbus will be +3.0%+.

 

I would say we haven't seen Columbus boom if you're comparing it to the Dallas, Atlanta's and DC's, but Columbus has been doing very well, especially in that 2014-2017 period just looking at the amount of business and construction activity taking place. We also have to take note it is located in the Midwest, which along with the North east has not been growing as fast as the sunbelt. I'd say it is booming, especially for where it's located and what it had been in the past. 

Today's WSJ has a report that thanks to the poor planting season, phosphate runoff into the Maumee River is lower.  They're not wildly optimistic that Lake Erie will avoid a toxic bloom, but it should be much less than the disaster year that shut off Toledo's water.

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/one-upside-from-this-years-rain-less-fertilizer-and-algae-in-lake-erie-11563112801?mod=searchresults&page=1&pos=1

 

3 hours ago, Mov2Ohio said:

 

I would say we haven't seen Columbus boom if you're comparing it to the Dallas, Atlanta's and DC's, but Columbus has been doing very well, especially in that 2014-2017 period just looking at the amount of business and construction activity taking place. We also have to take note it is located in the Midwest, which along with the North east has not been growing as fast as the sunbelt. I'd say it is booming, especially for where it's located and what it had been in the past. 

Agreed on all, however, what I was saying is I think Columbus has a boom like Austin/Charlotte on the way.

19 hours ago, aderwent said:

I don't think we've seen Columbus's boom yet.

 

Who are these people you're hearing?

 

I'm willing to bet when we see the numbers for 2018 that Columbus will be +3.0%+.

 

People from Columbus who are relevant to development and investment. 

On 7/14/2019 at 11:33 AM, Pugu said:

 

If you think cities are not in competition with each other, what was all that Amazon HQ2 business about? In any event, I wasn't trying to "stir the pot", but merely reporting--like so many others here do--on something overheard. And looking at the data, it doesn't sound unreasonable.

 

At the Cleveland Commercial Real Estate Summit last month sponsored by REjournals-Midwest, a quote often repeated was "Cities are in a war for talent." Sounds like a competition to me.

 

FYI: https://www.rejournals.com/home

54 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

At the Cleveland Commercial Real Estate Summit last month sponsored by REjournals-Midwest, a quote often repeated was "Cities are in a war for talent." Sounds like a competition to me.

 

FYI: https://www.rejournals.com/home

Exactly. All cities, or maybe Regions is the better term, are in competition with each other. They're all after more Industrial and Commercial investment, that drives job, population and tax growth. Investment made in Region A means Region B does not get that investment and thus gets behind, is brought to parity, or has its "lead" truncated. That needs to be the thought process in the respective regions Chambers of Commerce.

Edited July 15, 20195 yr by Mov2Ohio

On 7/15/2019 at 1:04 PM, aderwent said:

Agreed on all, however, what I was saying is I think Columbus has a boom like Austin/Charlotte on the way.

What makes you think Columbus has a boom to that extent coming?

Edited September 6, 20195 yr by TH3BUDDHA

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/metro.t03.htm

 

The big 3 has had some growth. It looks like Cincy is keeping ohio  afloat for the time being.

Due credit to the Cincinnati Metro for leading the way in the latest employment report.  But I think the biggest takeaway has to be how all of the 3C's (and to a lesser extent the major metro areas) are keeping the state afloat.  Below is the Ohio employment chart from https://www.bls.gov/news.release/metro.t03.htm

 

 

Cincinnati, Cleveland and Columbus combined had 49,200 job growth in this July 2018 to July 2019 time period.  The entire State of Ohio had 44,400 job growth during this same time period.  And what's even more troubling is that if you combine the job numbers for all the other listed Ohio metros that are not the 3C's, you still have 3,800 job growth - despite the job losses in Youngstown, Dayton and Steubenville.

 

So all the Ohio metros listed had a combined 53,000 job growth.  And the State of Ohio had 44,400 total job growth.  That means the remainder of Ohio had 8,600 job losses?!

On 9/5/2019 at 8:20 PM, TH3BUDDHA said:

What makes you think Columbus has a boom to that extent coming?

 

If you look at all the commercial and office space being built it's pretty obvious.  And to be honest Columbus is in the infancy stages of one right now and has been for about 5 years.

1 hour ago, Columbo said:

Due credit to the Cincinnati Metro for leading the way in the latest employment report.  But I think the biggest takeaway has to be how all of the 3C's (and to a lesser extent the major metro areas) are keeping the state afloat.  Below is the Ohio employment chart from https://www.bls.gov/news.release/metro.t03.htm

 

 

Cincinnati, Cleveland and Columbus combined had 49,200 job growth in this July 2018 to July 2019 time period.  The entire State of Ohio had 44,400 job growth during this same time period.  And what's even more troubling is that if you combine the job numbers for all the other listed Ohio metros that are not the 3C's, you still have 3,800 job growth - despite the job losses in Youngstown, Dayton and Steubenville.

 

So all the Ohio metros listed had a combined 53,000 job growth.  And the State of Ohio had 44,400 total job growth.  That means the remainder of Ohio had 8,600 job losses?!

 

Is this just the Ohio portion of Cincinntai MSA or whole thing? If it's the whole thing, that could be skewing the numbers a bit. You can assume that around 7,000 to 10,000 of those jobs were in Kentucky. If that's the case, then the remainder of Ohio--minus the metros--was about break even.

On 7/15/2019 at 1:04 PM, aderwent said:

Agreed on all, however, what I was saying is I think Columbus has a boom like Austin/Charlotte on the way.

 

31 minutes ago, wpcc88 said:

 

If you look at all the commercial and office space being built it's pretty obvious.  And to be honest Columbus is in the infancy stages of one right now and has been for about 5 years.

Interestingly, an article came out yesterday calling Columbus a midwestern "bright spot" for national investors.  It made a lot of direct comparisons to Austin.  As somebody who loves following the growth of Columbus, it would be amazing seeing a boom to that extent here.  It definitely seems like there is a special energy here right now, but I've been cautiously optimistic.  Here's the article:

 

Columbus is a Midwestern bright spot and a 'market to watch,' investors say

 

Quote

Central Ohio's growth is attracting more attention from the national real estate world.

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/09/19/columbus-is-a-midwestern-bright-spot-and-a-market.html?iana=hpmvp_colum_news_headline

^Seeing a 2% increase in Cincinnati is great- but note that Cleveland just went through that last year... only to have the numbers revised down 1% for many months of 2018 at the beginning of this year.

 

From then on, I haven't been able to take the monthly updates on employment that seriously.  Hopefully for Cincy the growth is real and not some sustained monthly statistical errors from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (say that 3x) like they did to Cleveland last year. 

I always hear news stories about Columbus and how it's growing and is becoming the next Austin/other big city in the Midwest...

 

Yet when I drive to Columbus I still experience a very dead downtown after 6pm (and it's pretty dead during the weekends to from what I've noticed) and maybe a crane or 2 scattered about. 

 

When I drive by Nashville I saw maybe 12 cranes? It looks like this city was transforming right before my eyes and looked bustling with how much active construction was going on around the city. 

 

But constantly I hear about Columbus and I begin to be slightly confused? Is this growth more focused in the outer edges of Columbus core? Is it more in the suburbs of Columbus?

 

I just get confused because the amount of construction activity/pedestrian activity does not match up to these "boom town" reports...

... Have you never been to the Short North? There are tons of new infill projects popping up all along High Street and throughout Italian Village.

13 minutes ago, troeros said:

I always hear news stories about Columbus and how it's growing and is becoming the next Austin/other big city in the Midwest...

 

Yet when I drive to Columbus I still experience a very dead downtown after 6pm (and it's pretty dead during the weekends to from what I've noticed) and maybe a crane or 2 scattered about. 

 

When I drive by Nashville I saw maybe 12 cranes? It looks like this city was transforming right before my eyes and looked bustling with how much active construction was going on around the city. 

 

But constantly I hear about Columbus and I begin to be slightly confused? Is this growth more focused in the outer edges of Columbus core? Is it more in the suburbs of Columbus?

 

I just get confused because the amount of construction activity/pedestrian activity does not match up to these "boom town" reports...

 

I'm not sure where you're going but there are tons of cranes scattered throughout the urban core in Cbus. Maybe some of our central Ohio friends can provide a count?

 

Also tons of pedestrian activity too, from the northern tip of the Short North to downtown. It's like night and day from just a few years ago. Similar to what we're seeing in our urban core in Cincinnati. Also lots of activity in Grandview, Franklinton, and German Village.

9 minutes ago, BigDipper 80 said:

... Have you never been to the Short North? There are tons of new infill projects popping up all along High Street and throughout Italian Village.

 

Yes I have..I love the short north and have noticed the construction boom their for sure, but in the same token it's so close to OSU, which is a major institution, that I can't help but feel much of that supply is catered towards the 70k plus OSU students.

 

I also would argue that it's not that far off than what is occuring in OTR/Uptown with developers constructing infill/rehabs/mixed use residential projects in Cincy. 

 

Why is downtown, the core of any city, still lagging so much in comparison? I was under the impression that boom town cities have construction activity in storm across the city, not in particular blocks or in particular neighborhoods. 

 

 

Just now, DEPACincy said:

 

I'm not sure where you're going but there are tons of cranes scattered throughout the urban core in Cbus. Maybe some of our central Ohio friends can provide a count?

 

Also tons of pedestrian activity too, from the northern tip of the Short North to downtown. It's like night and day from just a few years ago. Similar to what we're seeing in our urban core in Cincinnati. Also lots of activity in Grandview, Franklinton, and German Village.

 

I was in Columbus a few weeks ago and saw a handful at most in the skyline. Nothing that makes you go, "woah!" 

 

Pedestrian activity is high in short north but downtown is still dead from what I saw accept a few particular blocks where there are bars (like pins/16 bit). 

4 minutes ago, troeros said:

 

Yes I have..I love the short north and have noticed the construction boom their for sure, but in the same token it's so close to OSU, which is a major institution, that I can't help but feel much of that supply is catered towards the 70k plus OSU students.

 

I don't think this is true. The Short North population growth is more similar to OTR. It's young professionals mostly. Not a lot of OSU students living there. More employees than students probably. 

"Downtown" Columbus, roughly defined as the area between 315, 70, 71, and 670, is almost 4 times the size of downtown Cincinnati (as defined by the area between the river, 71, 75, and Central Parkway). There's stuff going up, but it's a vastly larger area, so it's not as noticeable and harder to create a "critical mass" of people in one given district of downtown. 

3 minutes ago, troeros said:

 

I was in Columbus a few weeks ago and saw a handful at most in the skyline. Nothing that makes you go, "woah!" 

 

Pedestrian activity is high in short north but downtown is still dead from what I saw accept a few particular blocks where there are bars (like pins/16 bit). 

 

There's more mid-rise construction going on I think than high-rise, so probably wouldn't notice them from afar. But they definitely have more cranes than Cincinnati. Part of that is because we have more old buildings to renovate here.

 

I don't know what to tell you about the pedestrian activity. I'm in Cbus a lot for work and to visit friends. Downtown has a lot of activity when I'm there. 

2 minutes ago, DEPACincy said:

 

I don't think this is true. The Short North population growth is more similar to OTR. It's young professionals mostly. Not a lot of OSU students living there. More employees than students probably. 

 

I encountered a lot of OSU students. Obviously it's a popular spot to bar hop, but I noticed a large population of wealthy foreign OSU students. You could tell because they looked no older than 19 and we're driving around with their (equally young looking friends) in Tesla's and Maserati's.

That eastern part of Downtown, particularly east of 5th Street on the other side of the Red Brick District and south of Town Street just kills our perception with out-of-towners. That part of town used to be really important but got nearly completely bulldozed in the '60s and '70s. Hundreds of acres of contiguous surface lots

3 minutes ago, BigDipper 80 said:

"Downtown" Columbus, roughly defined as the area between 315, 70, 71, and 670, is almost 4 times the size of downtown Cincinnati (as defined by the area between the river, 71, 75, and Central Parkway). There's stuff going up, but it's a vastly larger area, so it's not as noticeable and harder to create a "critical mass" of people in one given district of downtown. 

 

That's surprising...And this is if we include OTR/Pendelton/West End as well?

 

Maybe its because Columbus still has large swaths of surface lots scattered around the entire city...idk.

Just now, troeros said:

 

I encountered a lot of OSU students. Obviously it's a popular spot to bar hop, but I noticed a large population of wealthy foreign OSU students. You could tell because they looked no older than 19 and we're driving around with their (equally young looking friends) in Tesla's and Maserati's.

 

Lol, well the streets are open to anyone so the students are free to drive around the Short North in their Teslas and Maseratis. That doesn't mean they live there. This isn't really a matter of opinion though. In the Short North, 47% of the population have a bachelor's degree and another 31% have a master's or better. So at least 78% of the population are not undergraduate students. 75% of the population is white, so I'm not sure how you could tell they were foreign from their car? The median household income is $60k, so not exactly college student wages. And only 18% of the population is between 18 and 24 years old, while 47% is between 25 and 34.

If you include OTR, downtown Columbus is still probably about twice as large. I didn't include West End because it's more freeway than neighborhood tbh.

4 minutes ago, GCrites80s said:

That eastern part of Downtown, particularly east of 5th Street on the other side of the Red Brick District and south of Town Street just kills our perception with out-of-towners. That part of town used to be really important but got nearly completely bulldozed in the '60s and '70s. Hundreds of acres of contiguous surface lots

 

Yea, I know that's technically part of downtown, but when I talk about downtown Cbus I'm really thinking of the area between the river and 5th Street.

2 minutes ago, BigDipper 80 said:

If you include OTR, downtown Columbus is still probably about twice as large. I didn't include West End because it's more freeway than neighborhood tbh.

 

Eh, the freeway skirts the western edge of the neighborhood, and certainly reduced its size long ago. But it is still a large neighborhood with thousands of residents.

1 minute ago, DEPACincy said:

 

Eh, the freeway skirts the western edge of the neighborhood, and certainly reduced its size long ago. But it is still a large neighborhood with thousands of residents.

Yeah, but does anyone really consider it "downtown"? It's not really part of the CBD and might as well be on the other side of a freeway in terms of connectivity. 

19 minutes ago, troeros said:

I always hear news stories about Columbus and how it's growing and is becoming the next Austin/other big city in the Midwest...

 

Yet when I drive to Columbus I still experience a very dead downtown after 6pm (and it's pretty dead during the weekends to from what I've noticed) and maybe a crane or 2 scattered about. 

 

When I drive by Nashville I saw maybe 12 cranes? It looks like this city was transforming right before my eyes and looked bustling with how much active construction was going on around the city. 

 

But constantly I hear about Columbus and I begin to be slightly confused? Is this growth more focused in the outer edges of Columbus core? Is it more in the suburbs of Columbus?

 

I just get confused because the amount of construction activity/pedestrian activity does not match up to these "boom town" reports...

 

Columbus' growth and development is interesting because while we haven't seen the "skyline" changing growth (yet) that is often visible in Nashville and Austin, but this is because so much is happening on the mid-rise level. Columbus development is currently heavier in the downtown adjacent areas like Campus, Victorian Village, The Short North, Italian Village, Franklinton, OTE, and South Parsons but things seem to be heading towards downtown with more projects announced lately in the CBD. 

 

That said, based on recent announcements, 2020 is shaping up to be quite an intense development year for things, 2 high-rises at 28 floors, 8 mid-rises all in the 11-15 floor range, and some unknown swath of 5-8 story buildings. 

 

6 minutes ago, BigDipper 80 said:

If you include OTR, downtown Columbus is still probably about twice as large. I didn't include West End because it's more freeway than neighborhood tbh.

 

Old west end is still largerly intact (adjacent to otr and there a large population that live in the West end regardless.

This isn't even really including lower price Hill which is what less than 3 minutes drive from downtown?

3 minutes ago, BigDipper 80 said:

Yeah, but does anyone really consider it "downtown"? It's not really part of the CBD and might as well be on the other side of a freeway in terms of connectivity. 

 

The West End stadium and eventual development will probably fuse the perception of otr/west end...and old west end and north of liberty otr/Mohawk are fairly well connected to one another still 

1 hour ago, troeros said:

I always hear news stories about Columbus and how it's growing and is becoming the next Austin/other big city in the Midwest...

 

Yet when I drive to Columbus I still experience a very dead downtown after 6pm (and it's pretty dead during the weekends to from what I've noticed) and maybe a crane or 2 scattered about. 

 

When I drive by Nashville I saw maybe 12 cranes? It looks like this city was transforming right before my eyes and looked bustling with how much active construction was going on around the city. 

 

But constantly I hear about Columbus and I begin to be slightly confused? Is this growth more focused in the outer edges of Columbus core? Is it more in the suburbs of Columbus?

 

I just get confused because the amount of construction activity/pedestrian activity does not match up to these "boom town" reports...

We're in a slight lull right now as far as visible tower cranes goes(not overall construction).  At one point we had something like 14 cranes along high st.  This is quickly changing.

 

The 15th and High osu project will have 3 tower cranes up shortly.  Hilton 2.0 has broken ground.  Crew Stadium breaks ground on October 10th.  AC hotel in the arena district is currently under construction.  Next year, market tower breaks ground.  The new development on the Arena District parking lot that new Chipotle offices are anchoring will be moving forward.  The new White Castle HQ and associated mixed use development that includes multiple buildings.  The Scioto Peninsula project phase one will start, which includes 6 buildings on parking lots and many more to come. Gravity 2.0 will start in Franklinton.  Next phase of River and Rich in Franklinton is being proposed.  CoverMyMeds is currently building a huge new tech campus in Franklinton after their $1b acquisition.   I'm probably missing stuff.  These are just the projects you will instantly notice if you drive through downtown.  It doesnt include less noticable projects in other parts of town.  Look at the acres of new apartments and condos in Jeffery Park in Italian Village.  Acres of new builds in Weiland Park.  Look at Grandview Yard and Grandview Crossing.

 

Have you been to Bridge Park in Dublin recently?  A completely new urban environment on what used to be some grass fields and a tiny strip mall.  There are also countless other developments going around on the outskirts of town and in the burbs.  Look at some of the large projects going up at Polaris and Easton.  Luckily, due to forward thinking and annexation, businesses that put offices in Polaris and Easton are within city limits rather than being in the burbs.

Edited September 20, 20195 yr by TH3BUDDHA

55 minutes ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

 

Interestingly, an article came out yesterday calling Columbus a midwestern "bright spot" for national investors.  It made a lot of direct comparisons to Austin.  As somebody who loves following the growth of Columbus, it would be amazing seeing a boom to that extent here.  It definitely seems like there is a special energy here right now, but I've been cautiously optimistic.  Here's the article:

 

Columbus is a Midwestern bright spot and a 'market to watch,' investors say

 

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/09/19/columbus-is-a-midwestern-bright-spot-and-a-market.html?iana=hpmvp_colum_news_headline

I have noticed we're finally getting outside developers here. It has been sorely needed, because our local developers haven't come close to supplying the demand. That has hurt our jobs numbers. Once we get closer to meeting housing demands on a yearly basis we'll see the job growth skyrocket. I believe we are in that pivot right now. Even local developers like Casto known for strip malls all across the city are fully leasing out their undersized projects so quickly they're turning to 12 story midrises. I think banks are realizing Columbus' potential as well and are loosening up purse strings. It's just too bad it didn't happen five years ago. But I feel very confident going forward. There's an energy here I haven't ever felt.

Here's an article that explains it better than I can:

 

Northern arc downtown becoming a billion-dollar boom town: Here's what's planned

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/07/17/northern-arc-downtown-becoming-a-billion-dollar.html

3 minutes ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

Here's an article that explains it better than I can:

 

Northern arc downtown becoming a billion-dollar boom town: Here's what's planned

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/07/17/northern-arc-downtown-becoming-a-billion-dollar.html

 

Hmm that's cool!

 

I guess I'm just so used to Cleveland Project threads on the front page that constantly get announced and then stop but have 100 pages of discussions...but don't really notice Columbus construction pages..I guess y'all are like we have our sh*t together, we don't have to talk 20 pages worth of discussion about whether Stark will ever build his NueCLEus tower or not 

2 minutes ago, troeros said:

...I guess y'all are like we have our sh*t together, we don't have to talk 20 pages worth of discussion about whether Stark will ever build his NueCLEus tower or not.

 

*Cough* I'd like to direct you to the Millennial Tower thread.

 

Overall yes, Columbus just seems to have so many projects that jump into construction quickly after announced that threads become more of an "updates" thread than a speculation thread... but we do have a few lingering projects that most either have given up on or just have become a joke amongst us. 

12 minutes ago, DevolsDance said:

 

*Cough* I'd like to direct you to the Millennial Tower thread.

 

Overall yes, Columbus just seems to have so many projects that jump into construction quickly after announced that threads become more of an "updates" thread than a speculation thread... but we do have a few lingering projects that most either have given up on or just have become a joke amongst us. 

I'm really hoping Millenial Tower has stalled because there are some potential big things in the works behind the scenes.  Similar to how the original Scioto Peninsula development fell through before the new announcement because they failed to get CoverMyMeds to anchor it and it being a potential site for Amazon.  Maybe there is another big name player looking for some space and people are making pitches?  That is a prime spot along the river.  Don't want to waste it.

Edited September 20, 20195 yr by TH3BUDDHA

16 minutes ago, troeros said:

 

Hmm that's cool!

 

I guess I'm just so used to Cleveland Project threads on the front page that constantly get announced and then stop but have 100 pages of discussions...but don't really notice Columbus construction pages..I guess y'all are like we have our sh*t together, we don't have to talk 20 pages worth of discussion about whether Stark will ever build his NueCLEus tower or not 

I'm gonna be honest, I get pretty jealous of the amount of conversation in their threads.  I wish we had more of that in the Columbus threads to satisfy my impatience. Lol. I'm also jealous of the amount of seemingly well connected people they have commenting.

5 minutes ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

I'm really hoping Millenial Tower has stalled because there are some potential big things in the works behind the scenes.  Similar to how the original Scioto Peninsula development fell through before the new announcement because they failed to get CoverMyMeds to anchor it and it being a potential site for Amazon.  Maybe there is another big name player looking for some space and people are making pitches?

 

While I absolutely wish that was the case, my guess is just pure incompetence and lack of effort. Columbus is currently facing a shortage of modern downtown office space, a shortage of for sale units, a shortage of rental units, and posting increased value per square foot in all those markets every single quarter... there is literally no reason that project hasn't been able to lease out or sell space every foot of space yet other than gross incompetence on either Elford or Artshot's side of things. 

 

I've heard of some other big things in the works around the city/cbd but nothing in regards to Millennial. 

11 minutes ago, DevolsDance said:

I've heard of some other big things in the works around the city/cbd

Spill the beans! Haha Just kidding.  But seriously.........

 

In all seriousness, I've heard comments like this from several people.  Very exciting.

Edited September 20, 20195 yr by TH3BUDDHA

2 hours ago, troeros said:

 

I was in Columbus a few weeks ago and saw a handful at most in the skyline. Nothing that makes you go, "woah!" 

 

Pedestrian activity is high in short north but downtown is still dead from what I saw accept a few particular blocks where there are bars (like pins/16 bit). 

Summer of 2018 was probably the peak, there were 20+ tower cranes up in the Columbus Metro, with the majority(15) being along the High Street corridor, not counting the massive crawler at Columbus Commons.  A lot of those projects are complete so there aren't nearly as many. But during that time the other 5 were spread from Reynoldsburg/Gahanna, Grove City, Dublin and Polaris.  

 

There will soon be about 5 in and around Ohio State's campus, there is one or two at Easton currently.  The airport rental facility currently has two and I believe one or two in the Polaris area.  Dublin's Bridge Park will have a couple and I assume the massive project on Lane Ave in UA will have one or two.

 

I believe the main difference is that a majority of Columbus' growth is within or near 270 as it is a much newer city versus it's counterparts to the north and south.  There are much more infill opportunities in Columbus as well in my opinion because it never had a great central core like the others enjoyed/kept.

3 hours ago, wpcc88 said:

 

If you look at all the commercial and office space being built it's pretty obvious.  And to be honest Columbus is in the infancy stages of one right now and has been for about 5 years.

@bumsquare do you want to elaborate on your "HAHA" response?

 

2 hours ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

 

Interestingly, an article came out yesterday calling Columbus a midwestern "bright spot" for national investors.  It made a lot of direct comparisons to Austin.  As somebody who loves following the growth of Columbus, it would be amazing seeing a boom to that extent here.  It definitely seems like there is a special energy here right now, but I've been cautiously optimistic.  Here's the article:

 

Columbus is a Midwestern bright spot and a 'market to watch,' investors say

 

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/09/19/columbus-is-a-midwestern-bright-spot-and-a-market.html?iana=hpmvp_colum_news_headline

 

Honestly the buzz has been around for a decade and I am personally happier with that being sustained versus an all out boom.

 

The big thing is the goals that leadership set out to accomplish by 2020 were met years before and to me that's a good thing.

2 minutes ago, wpcc88 said:

 

Honestly the buzz has been around for a decade and I am personally happier with that being sustained versus an all out boom.

 

The big thing is the goals that leadership set out to accomplish by 2020 were met years before and to me that's a good thing.

Columbus 2020 has now been rebranded to One Columbus and has new goals to fulfill.

On 9/20/2019 at 1:25 PM, wpcc88 said:

@bumsquare do you want to elaborate on your "HAHA" response?

 

Looks to be a pretty big Cleveland booster based on post history.  Probably one of those "Columbus isn't a real city" people when they hear about Columbus' success, which would explain the "Haha" response.  It seems like this site in general seems to be very pro-Cleveland and a bit anti-Columbus.  Also seems to be the case on the Ohio subreddit.  Heck, just recently, this post was on reddit with a bunch of upvotes: 

Having lived in both Cleveland and Columbus, this kind of mentality seems outdated.  That might just be me, though.  With all of the upcoming confirmed projects and rumblings of some big things in the works, over the next decade, it might finally become painfully obvious how well Columbus is doing and impossible to question it anymore.