Your parents means shouldn't prevent your course in life. I paid for the the majority of my undergrad and am still paying off my masters.

 

I'm Actually empathetic towards the content here. I hear the frustration, but trump is not the answer.  You have to look at models in wisconsin like the workforce investment act, where they bring skillset training to the more rural populations and develop a unique skill that makes them marketable. Not sure the success of it, but other acts along the same lines should enable and empower these rural areas to become skilled.  I'm no politician, but sitting and accepting welfare and blaming the government is as much the individuals fault as it is the government

^^Its not totally that hopeless. There are many surprising avenues in life as you are very aware.  If i were to put myself in the scenario of growing up in Ytown now it would def be difficult. But then it has much less population than it did back in the 70s and 80s. So one has to figure out whether they want to stay or go first off.  Akron wasn't far off in the early 80s. Many decided to leave Akron for western and southern states. 

  I guess the crucial factor is if the resident feels that they are happy and content living in a small world or if they are eager to explore what lurks beyond. I would say those that are willing to push limits will be more successful than those that are fearful to move out.

 

Your parents means shouldn't prevent your course in life. I paid for the the majority of my undergrad and am still paying off my masters.

 

 

To clarify, by "means" I'm not referring to financial position, but whether parents have the capability to foster good study habits, provide a comfortable, safe home environment and to inspire curiosity. 

^^Its not totally that hopeless. There are many surprising avenues in life as you are very aware.  If i were to put myself in the scenario of growing up in Ytown now it would def be difficult. But then it has much less population than it did back in the 70s and 80s. So one has to figure out whether they want to stay or go first off.  Akron wasn't far off in the early 80s. Many decided to leave Akron for western and southern states. 

  I guess the crucial factor is if the resident feels that they are happy and content living in a small world or if they are eager to explore what lurks beyond. I would say those that are willing to push limits will be more successful than those that are fearful to move out.

 

So people from a once Democrat controlled area of Ohio should move to Republican controlled states for a better life, makes sense..  There is a name for these type of people, people that just want a job to support a family, they are called deplorables.

Republican controlled areas are so rural that few people can move there.  Those who move to Wyoming and Idaho already have money, and they're moving to areas that don't even have fire departments.  People generally don't move to Mississippi or Arkansas at all.  The red-state places people tend to move toward are urban and run by Democrats.  Other than North Dakota, and the people moving there are disproportionately transient males.

Republican controlled areas are so rural that few people can move there.  Those who move to Wyoming and Idaho already have money,

 

The people with money in Idaho are predominantly moving from California or Oregon, to escape the messes caused by left wing politics.

Republican controlled areas are so rural that few people can move there.  Those who move to Wyoming and Idaho already have money,

 

The people with money in Idaho are predominantly moving from California or Oregon, to escape the messes caused by left wing politics.

 

That's quite a statement.

Republican controlled areas are so rural that few people can move there.  Those who move to Wyoming and Idaho already have money,

 

The people with money in Idaho are predominantly moving from California or Oregon, to escape the messes caused by left wing politics.

 

That's quite a statement.

 

Look at the land ownership patterns.  Idaho in particular has many SoCal expatriates, though Austin has been seeing some of this movement lately.

^^Its not totally that hopeless. There are many surprising avenues in life as you are very aware.  If i were to put myself in the scenario of growing up in Ytown now it would def be difficult. But then it has much less population than it did back in the 70s and 80s. So one has to figure out whether they want to stay or go first off.  Akron wasn't far off in the early 80s. Many decided to leave Akron for western and southern states. 

  I guess the crucial factor is if the resident feels that they are happy and content living in a small world or if they are eager to explore what lurks beyond. I would say those that are willing to push limits will be more successful than those that are fearful to move out.

 

So people from a once Democrat controlled area of Ohio should move to Republican controlled states for a better life, makes sense..  There is a name for these type of people, people that just want a job to support a family, they are called deplorables.

 

You are crediting states with nice weather for being some type of strategic masterpiece by republican politicians. Businesses set up shop there( mostly only Texas, Nashville,Atlanta by the way), nobody's flocking to the republican wastelands that are the Deep South. Dig deep into those educated workforces in Texas, Atlanta and Nashville and let me know who they support for president. I'll venture its not Donald Trump

Republican controlled areas are so rural that few people can move there.  Those who move to Wyoming and Idaho already have money,

 

The people with money in Idaho are predominantly moving from California or Oregon, to escape the messes caused by left wing politics.

 

That's quite a statement.

 

Look at the land ownership patterns.  Idaho in particular has many SoCal expatriates, though Austin has been seeing some of this movement lately.

 

I'm not denying a lot of wealthy Californians move to Idaho. What I'm doubting is the claim that they are trying to "escape the messes caused by left wing politics". Maybe they just want to live out in the middle of nowhere by the Tetons or something.

^^Its not totally that hopeless. There are many surprising avenues in life as you are very aware.  If i were to put myself in the scenario of growing up in Ytown now it would def be difficult. But then it has much less population than it did back in the 70s and 80s. So one has to figure out whether they want to stay or go first off.  Akron wasn't far off in the early 80s. Many decided to leave Akron for western and southern states. 

  I guess the crucial factor is if the resident feels that they are happy and content living in a small world or if they are eager to explore what lurks beyond. I would say those that are willing to push limits will be more successful than those that are fearful to move out.

 

So people from a once Democrat controlled area of Ohio should move to Republican controlled states for a better life, makes sense..  There is a name for these type of people, people that just want a job to support a family, they are called deplorables.

 

I was pointing out that government policy at the state and federal level could have played a bigger role in affecting the economy of Youngstown instead of letting the market decide.  The Republican dominated state government was ok seeing that city cratered. It is not self sustaining building suburbs further out of a dying city. 

  State and county governments were happy to reward growing rural towns as they were needing more infrastructure funding and bigger schools.  Granted there are not many tools available for when a cataclysmic event like the steel mills shutting down in Ytown for state government to roll out. A meeting of area leaders to figure out the infrastructure needs maybe could've helped.

Republican controlled areas are so rural that few people can move there.  Those who move to Wyoming and Idaho already have money,

 

The people with money in Idaho are predominantly moving from California or Oregon, to escape the messes caused by left wing politics.

 

That's quite a statement.

 

Look at the land ownership patterns.  Idaho in particular has many SoCal expatriates, though Austin has been seeing some of this movement lately.

 

I'm not denying a lot of wealthy Californians move to Idaho. What I'm doubting is the claim that they are trying to "escape the messes caused by left wing politics". Maybe they just want to live out in the middle of nowhere by the Tetons or something.

 

And they can't move to the Inland Empire which is full of Republicans since it's too much of a train wreck.

Republican controlled areas are so rural that few people can move there.  Those who move to Wyoming and Idaho already have money,

 

The people with money in Idaho are predominantly moving from California or Oregon, to escape the messes caused by left wing politics.

 

That's quite a statement.

 

Look at the land ownership patterns.  Idaho in particular has many SoCal expatriates, though Austin has been seeing some of this movement lately.

 

I'm not denying a lot of wealthy Californians move to Idaho. What I'm doubting is the claim that they are trying to "escape the messes caused by left wing politics". Maybe they just want to live out in the middle of nowhere by the Tetons or something.

 

I have a friend moving from the LA area to Boise right now.  Many do it to cash out of their houses while the market is high, and relocate to another where they get more bang for their buck.  This guy is not rich, he's just a regular guy with a wife and three kids.  Because he is a consultant he can move anywhere--so is going for a high quality of life with good schools. 

Boise is great for them because it's small and white. Some white people in Cali get sick and tired of the traffic and minorities. It's Cali people "Making America Great Again" for sure. Same goes for Salt Lake, Spokane, Bozeman, on and on. It's about as shameful as it can get IMHO considering the history that made those places "high quality".

 

 

Republican controlled areas are so rural that few people can move there.  Those who move to Wyoming and Idaho already have money,

 

The people with money in Idaho are predominantly moving from California or Oregon, to escape the messes caused by left wing politics.

 

That's quite a statement.

 

Look at the land ownership patterns.  Idaho in particular has many SoCal expatriates, though Austin has been seeing some of this movement lately.

 

I'm not denying a lot of wealthy Californians move to Idaho. What I'm doubting is the claim that they are trying to "escape the messes caused by left wing politics". Maybe they just want to live out in the middle of nowhere by the Tetons or something.

 

And they can't move to the Inland Empire which is full of Republicans since it's too much of a train wreck.

 

It’s also still California.  Same high tax rates and burdensome regulations.  It’s the opposite of the Austin area, which is Texas’s liberal reservation.  California people go there because they have all the advantages of living in Texas and none of the drawbacks of living in “traditional” Texas.    This is even truer since Obergefell.

Boise is great for them because it's small and white. Some white people in Cali get sick and tired of the traffic and minorities. It's Cali people "Making America Great Again" for sure. Same goes for Salt Lake, Spokane, Bozeman, on and on. It's about as shameful as it can get IMHO considering the history that made those places "high quality".

 

Assigning the worst possible motivations to behavior that is disapproved of.....

 

For the majority of them, the problem isn’t the minorities, it’s the people they vote for and the policies they promote.  High taxes, burdensome regulation, tolerance of the kind of behavior that has turned one of the most beautiful cities in the world into a literal s***hole despite its ultra high cost of living and other sorts of nonsense that can be expected when there’s too much “compassion” and not enough responsibility.

 

If Republicans were constantly moving away to avoid minorities the Deep South wouldn't be so important to the party. And it would be even poorer from population loss. It's not like West Virginia or Missouri have too high of a cost of living to move to.

People haven't move on from race they're just getting better at hiding it.

 

I'm not talking about Republicans, I'm talking about Californians in general who move there. The Intermountain West is their version of Parma. Hell you could argue Oregon and Washington are a part of that as well.

 

Anyways, this conversation is going to get cut. We're on the Ohio: General Business thread. I didn't even notice until now. :)

 

 

 

 

Ohio is the only state that has seen no growth in its actual labor force... none.  Ohio continues to sink.  There is a reason why Ohio is cheap to live in.

 

 

 

https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LASST390000000000003

 

 

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Ohio House vote to kill renewable-energy standards a return to horse-and-buggy mindset: Thomas Suddes

 

By Thomas Suddes, cleveland.com

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on April 01, 2017 at 12:37 PM, updated April 01, 2017 at 12:38 PM

 

If Henry Ford had started tinkering with cars in, say, a backyard shed in Ohio rather than one in Detroit, Ohio's House of Representatives probably would have passed a bill loudly proclaiming that Ohio was and always would be a pro-horse state.

 

That's how it seems, given Thursday's decision by Ohio House Republicans (and a few Democrats) to junk Ohio's renewable-energy standards.

 

That 65-31 vote, to pass House Bill 114, sets up a collision with Republican Gov. John Kasich. And it also stalls Ohio's moves into the future.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2017/04/ohio_lawmakers_proclaims_their.html#incart_river_home

 

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Ohio House vote to kill renewable-energy standards a return to horse-and-buggy mindset: Thomas Suddes

 

By Thomas Suddes, cleveland.com

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on April 01, 2017 at 12:37 PM, updated April 01, 2017 at 12:38 PM

 

If Henry Ford had started tinkering with cars in, say, a backyard shed in Ohio rather than one in Detroit, Ohio's House of Representatives probably would have passed a bill loudly proclaiming that Ohio was and always would be a pro-horse state.

 

That's how it seems, given Thursday's decision by Ohio House Republicans (and a few Democrats) to junk Ohio's renewable-energy standards.

 

That 65-31 vote, to pass House Bill 114, sets up a collision with Republican Gov. John Kasich. And it also stalls Ohio's moves into the future.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2017/04/ohio_lawmakers_proclaims_their.html#incart_river_home

 

The problem is "renewable" is so narrowly defined.

 

It does not include natural gas or nuclear energy, which are the most efficient "clean" energy sources.

 

It indeed provides a massive, and increasing, subsidy to wind and solar.

 

 

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Ohio House vote to kill renewable-energy standards a return to horse-and-buggy mindset: Thomas Suddes

 

By Thomas Suddes, cleveland.com

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on April 01, 2017 at 12:37 PM, updated April 01, 2017 at 12:38 PM

 

If Henry Ford had started tinkering with cars in, say, a backyard shed in Ohio rather than one in Detroit, Ohio's House of Representatives probably would have passed a bill loudly proclaiming that Ohio was and always would be a pro-horse state.

 

That's how it seems, given Thursday's decision by Ohio House Republicans (and a few Democrats) to junk Ohio's renewable-energy standards.

 

That 65-31 vote, to pass House Bill 114, sets up a collision with Republican Gov. John Kasich. And it also stalls Ohio's moves into the future.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2017/04/ohio_lawmakers_proclaims_their.html#incart_river_home

 

The problem is "renewable" is so narrowly defined.

 

It does not include natural gas or nuclear energy, which are the most efficient "clean" energy sources.

 

It indeed provides a massive, and increasing, subsidy to wind and solar.

 

So instead of amending the law to include Nuclear and Gas technology, they just trash it all together and send Ohio further back into the stone ages?  Ohio continues to solidify its places as the capitol of flyover-country.    Until our leaders start thinking about the future rather than trying to live in the past, the jobs and young talent will be found elsewhere.

Ohio is the only state that has seen no growth in its actual labor force... none.  Ohio continues to sink.  There is a reason why Ohio is cheap to live in.

 

 

 

https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LASST390000000000003

 

 

 

 

I saw no less than 5-6 help wanted signs this morning in the mile between the interstate and my workplace.  I didn't look closely but all of them looked like crap jobs...one was as a glass block installer, the others were truck driving and warehouse.  The thing is that there was tumbleweed blowing through this area 2009-2011 because of the massive recession layoffs.  So yes these are bad jobs but at least people are working. 

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Ohio House vote to kill renewable-energy standards a return to horse-and-buggy mindset: Thomas Suddes

 

By Thomas Suddes, cleveland.com

http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2017/04/ohio_lawmakers_proclaims_their.html#incart_river_home

 

When I was at OU I went to about 20 Friday morning "critiques" where Thom Suddes held court and reviewed the week's news.  The guy was absolutely hilarious.  I can affirm that he has been holding rural Ohio politicians in high contempt for a long time!   

 

 

 

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Ohio House vote to kill renewable-energy standards a return to horse-and-buggy mindset: Thomas Suddes

 

By Thomas Suddes, cleveland.com

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on April 01, 2017 at 12:37 PM, updated April 01, 2017 at 12:38 PM

 

If Henry Ford had started tinkering with cars in, say, a backyard shed in Ohio rather than one in Detroit, Ohio's House of Representatives probably would have passed a bill loudly proclaiming that Ohio was and always would be a pro-horse state.

 

That's how it seems, given Thursday's decision by Ohio House Republicans (and a few Democrats) to junk Ohio's renewable-energy standards.

 

That 65-31 vote, to pass House Bill 114, sets up a collision with Republican Gov. John Kasich. And it also stalls Ohio's moves into the future.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2017/04/ohio_lawmakers_proclaims_their.html#incart_river_home

 

The problem is "renewable" is so narrowly defined.

 

It does not include natural gas or nuclear energy, which are the most efficient "clean" energy sources.

 

It indeed provides a massive, and increasing, subsidy to wind and solar.

 

So instead of amending the law to include Nuclear and Gas technology, they just trash it all together and send Ohio further back into the stone ages?  Ohio continues to solidify its places as the capitol of flyover-country.    Until our leaders start thinking about the future rather than trying to live in the past, the jobs and young talent will be found elsewhere.

 

Those aren't technically considered "renewable" and of course aren't enviro movement pets....

I don't see how gas is renewable or clean, except that it's a little cleaner than coal.  The fact that recently imposed rules to minimize the accidental release of methane from wells are being reversed mean that for most purposes it might not even be cleaner than coal.

 

Nuclear's bigger problem than environmentalists not liking it is the fact that it's incredibly expensive to build a nuclear plant.

Fingers crossed for Ohio!

 

Ohio one of 7 states in line for $10B Foxconn plant, thousands of jobs – reports

Jun 22, 2017, 5:31pm EDT

Carrie Ghose

Staff reporter

Columbus Business First

 

Ohio is one of seven states under consideration for a more than $10 billion manufacturing facility for major Apple Inc. supplier Foxconn, the Taiwanese company's CEO said after the company's annual meeting.

 

Founder and CEO Terry Gou listed Ohio along with Pennsylvania, Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin, Indiana and Texas in remarks to reporters in Taipei after the company's annual meeting, according to several media reports.

 

The company, formally Hon Hai Precision Industry Co., is the largest contract manufacturer of smart phones for Apple (NASDAQ:AAPL), Sony Corp. (NYSE:SNE) and others. It's planning a display panel factory that could cost $7 billion to build, with more investment to follow. The company said it could create up to 50,000 U.S. jobs.

 

MORE:

http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2017/06/22/ohio-one-of-7-states-in-line-for-10b-foxconn-plant.html

This is a good example of what's wrong with economic development in Ohio -- especially with JobsOhio. The focus is on counting jobs -- not on developing the economy. Will they be good jobs? Maybe. Will the profits stay in the Ohio economy? No. Will Ohioans have a chance to rise in the company heirarchy? Maybe not -- if this story about Chinese investment in the Dayton area is any indication: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/10/business/economy/ohio-factory-jobs-china.html Will this be a giant factory on a greenfield site that will add to sprawl and require everybody to drive great distances to get there? Or will it be in an urban area, in a shuttered industrial site (see above article).

 

This job-counting mentality is something Kasich shares with Trump -- and it's built on an assumption that Ohioans and Americans need somebody to come in from the outside to "provide" jobs and take the profits elsewhere. But Ohio was built on homegrown industrial innovation: the Wright brothers, Charles Kettering, Charles Brush, Charles Goodyear, Harvey Firestone, John D. Rockefeller, to name a few. Economic development means investing in homegrown industries and innovations -- assuring an educated workforce rather than providing low-wage jobs for a foreign overlord that would love to colonize us.

 

 

But Ohio was built on homegrown industrial innovation: the Wright brothers, Charles Kettering, Charles Brush, Charles Goodyear, Harvey Firestone, John D. Rockefeller, to name a few. Economic development means investing in homegrown industries and innovations -- assuring an educated workforce rather than providing low-wage jobs for a foreign overlord that would love to colonize us.

 

:clap:

So I saw Foxconn is building a plant in Wisconsin spending billions and bringing in close to 13,000 jobs.  Meanwhile, in John Kasich's Ohio we have one of the nation's highest unemployment rates, and one of the slowest job growth rates.  2016 was a bad year, but the recent job's report shows 2017 is markedly more slower than 2016.  Not good.

Wisconsin is paying at least  $100,000 each for those jobs. 

Wisconsin is paying at least  $100,000 each for those jobs.

 

I could careless what Wisconsin is paying for those jobs, it will be a wait and see game.  This is an investment that Ohio hasn't seen in decades, and probably never will see.  I can only imagine the infrastructure buildup that will happen with this.  Milwaukee's already building like crazy now, this will only add to it.  Not to mention Wisconsin's labor force is at the highest it has ever been.  Ohio isn't even close to its peak, still declining.

Wisconsin is paying at least  $100,000 each for those jobs.

 

I could careless what Wisconsin is paying for those jobs, it will be a wait and see game.  This is an investment that Ohio hasn't seen in decades, and probably never will see.  I can only imagine the infrastructure buildup that will happen with this.  Milwaukee's already building like crazy now, this will only add to it.  Not to mention Wisconsin's labor force is at the highest it has ever been.  Ohio isn't even close to its peak, still declining.

 

:roll:

 

Wisconsin is paying at least  $100,000 each for those jobs.

 

I could careless what Wisconsin is paying for those jobs, it will be a wait and see game.  This is an investment that Ohio hasn't seen in decades, and probably never will see.  I can only imagine the infrastructure buildup that will happen with this.  Milwaukee's already building like crazy now, this will only add to it.  Not to mention Wisconsin's labor force is at the highest it has ever been.  Ohio isn't even close to its peak, still declining.

 

:roll:

 

:wink:

Ohio was seriously the Center of the Universe in 1960. It will be tough to do that again.

Wisconsin can't even figure out how to pave roads.  However, they can put up 1 billion in incentives. 

Wisconsin can't even figure out how to pave roads.  However, they can put up 1 billion in incentives.

 

JobsOhio has given out plenty of worthless incentives too.  I'm sure we could go on and on about how horrible the roads are in Cleveland.  From my trips to Wisconsin, their roads and general upkeep is far better than Ohio.

I don't think Jobs ohio has ever paid 100 per job.  You need to spend more time in Wisconsin or research their state budget. 

I don't think Jobs ohio has ever paid 100 per job.  You need to spend more time in Wisconsin or research their state budget.

 

JobsOhio is a complete joke that hasn't added anything close to this.

 

You need to actually visit Wisconsin and then get back to the discussion.

I spend a lot of time in Wisconsin.

Paying 100k minimum for jobs that will likely be automated is Scott Walker level dumb. 

I spend a lot of time in Wisconsin.

 

Right.  So when you make a comment like they can't even pave a road, but then there's Ohio...

Paying 100k minimum for jobs that will likely be automated is Scott Walker level dumb.

 

This announcement was literally made today and you're throwing out figures that are somehow set in stone?  Projects like this take a long time.  If you actually know Wisconsin, then you know that this is only adding to the progress that is being made there.

State budget is pretty terrible for a state doing do great.  If you've been paying attention to the Foxconn con you'd know that Wisconsin is considering incentives of 1 - 3 billion.  So anywhere from 100k - 300k per job.  But yet road construction and education get cut.  Yay progress.

 

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/it-s-july-and-the-state-still-doesn-t-have/article_cd4e0ee7-7abb-5347-be1d-365facccde81.html

State budget is pretty terrible for a state doing do great.  If you've been paying attention to the Foxconn con you'd know that Wisconsin is considering incentives of 1 - 3 billion.  So anywhere from 100k - 300k per job.  But yet road construction and education get cut.  Yay progress.

 

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/it-s-july-and-the-state-still-doesn-t-have/article_cd4e0ee7-7abb-5347-be1d-365facccde81.html

 

Yet you defend Ohio when it's situation isn't any better?  Job growth alone tells you otherwise.

 

Let's review.

 

Wisconsin's unemployment rate is almost 2% lower than Ohio's.  Who cares though because unemployment rates don't say much.  But in the last 10 years, Wisconsin's labor force has grown by about 100,000 while Ohio's is still down by about 200,000.  Pretty impressive for Wisconsin considering that they aren't a fast growing state.  If you truly have visited Wisconsin, then just about anyone could tell you the state has better infrastructure, is cleaner, and the towns are actually taken care of.  Meanwhile, many Ohio towns have been left to fend for themselves and basic amenities are being cut.  Paving a road?  Cedar Road going from Beachwood to Cleveland Heights is an embarrassment, and the patchwork they are currently doing on many roads won't last past this upcoming winter.

 

Milwaukee has stabilized its population, Cleveland hasn't even come close.  You've been to Wisconsin, right?  Have you noticed the cranes?  Cleveland talks about highrises, Milwaukee has been building them.  Were people not talking about Amazon's announcement in Cleveland recently?  Foxconn is that many times over.  Think of what Honda has done for Ohio and the supplier plants and spin offs.  Honda has been great for Ohio.  Foxconn's move will likely lead to spin offs and infrastructure upgrades.  JobsOhio and John Kasich have not done nothing for this state, and each time job's reports get released, we have to here from George Zeller that Ohio has been behind in job growth for what, 55 straight months now?  I am a realist, so I have no problem mentioning Ohio's problems and not trying to sugarcoat things.

Foxconn has talked a big game years in Pennsylvania with a project that never happened.  Reports I'm reading say 3Billion in incentives from the state.  Not including TIF and local incentives.  Only 3,000 jobs are guaranteed from the start. That's 1 million per job.  They paid too much.

State budget is pretty terrible for a state doing do great.  If you've been paying attention to the Foxconn con you'd know that Wisconsin is considering incentives of 1 - 3 billion.  So anywhere from 100k - 300k per job.  But yet road construction and education get cut.  Yay progress.

 

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/it-s-july-and-the-state-still-doesn-t-have/article_cd4e0ee7-7abb-5347-be1d-365facccde81.html

 

Yet you defend Ohio when it's situation isn't any better?  Job growth alone tells you otherwise.

 

Let's review.

 

Wisconsin's unemployment rate is almost 2% lower than Ohio's.  Who cares though because unemployment rates don't say much.  But in the last 10 years, Wisconsin's labor force has grown by about 100,000 while Ohio's is still down by about 200,000.  Pretty impressive for Wisconsin considering that they aren't a fast growing state.  If you truly have visited Wisconsin, then just about anyone could tell you the state has better infrastructure, is cleaner, and the towns are actually taken care of.  Meanwhile, many Ohio towns have been left to fend for themselves and basic amenities are being cut.  Paving a road?  Cedar Road going from Beachwood to Cleveland Heights is an embarrassment, and the patchwork they are currently doing on many roads won't last past this upcoming winter.

 

Milwaukee has stabilized its population, Cleveland hasn't even come close.  You've been to Wisconsin, right?  Have you noticed the cranes?  Cleveland talks about highrises, Milwaukee has been building them.  Were people not talking about Amazon's announcement in Cleveland recently?  Foxconn is that many times over.  Think of what Honda has done for Ohio and the supplier plants and spin offs.  Honda has been great for Ohio.  Foxconn's move will likely lead to spin offs and infrastructure upgrades.  JobsOhio and John Kasich have not done nothing for this state, and each time job's reports get released, we have to here from George Zeller that Ohio has been behind in job growth for what, 55 straight months now?  I am a realist, so I have no problem mentioning Ohio's problems and not trying to sugarcoat things.

 

If you think Wisconsins infrastructure is in good shape. You haven't seen a lot of the state.  Furthermore the low unemployment rate further proves there is no need to pay 1 million for one job.  Further. I would never defend ohio doing the same.  Wisconsin has always valued higher education and their growth has nothing to do with pie on the sky manufacturing plants. 

Foxconn has talked a big game years in Pennsylvania with a project that never happened.  Reports I'm reading say 3Billion in incentives from the state.  Not including TIF and local incentives.  Only 3,000 jobs are guaranteed from the start. That's 1 million per job.  They paid too much.

 

Let's go back and read what I said earlier, it's a wait and see game. Nothing has been set in stone. Tell me how JobsOhio has been such a huge success with the incentives they have thrown out?  High unemployment rate and going on two years of sluggish job growth.  Ohio's economy isn't exactly on the fast track to success.  Obama's policies are reaching down to the state level, and we are seeing many states grow and prosper, meanwhile in Ohio, the growth is well below average and I see that as something to be concerned about.

State budget is pretty terrible for a state doing do great.  If you've been paying attention to the Foxconn con you'd know that Wisconsin is considering incentives of 1 - 3 billion.  So anywhere from 100k - 300k per job.  But yet road construction and education get cut.  Yay progress.

 

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/it-s-july-and-the-state-still-doesn-t-have/article_cd4e0ee7-7abb-5347-be1d-365facccde81.html

 

Yet you defend Ohio when it's situation isn't any better?  Job growth alone tells you otherwise.

 

Let's review.

 

Wisconsin's unemployment rate is almost 2% lower than Ohio's.  Who cares though because unemployment rates don't say much.  But in the last 10 years, Wisconsin's labor force has grown by about 100,000 while Ohio's is still down by about 200,000.  Pretty impressive for Wisconsin considering that they aren't a fast growing state.  If you truly have visited Wisconsin, then just about anyone could tell you the state has better infrastructure, is cleaner, and the towns are actually taken care of.  Meanwhile, many Ohio towns have been left to fend for themselves and basic amenities are being cut.  Paving a road?  Cedar Road going from Beachwood to Cleveland Heights is an embarrassment, and the patchwork they are currently doing on many roads won't last past this upcoming winter.

 

Milwaukee has stabilized its population, Cleveland hasn't even come close.  You've been to Wisconsin, right?  Have you noticed the cranes?  Cleveland talks about highrises, Milwaukee has been building them.  Were people not talking about Amazon's announcement in Cleveland recently?  Foxconn is that many times over.  Think of what Honda has done for Ohio and the supplier plants and spin offs.  Honda has been great for Ohio.  Foxconn's move will likely lead to spin offs and infrastructure upgrades.  JobsOhio and John Kasich have not done nothing for this state, and each time job's reports get released, we have to here from George Zeller that Ohio has been behind in job growth for what, 55 straight months now?  I am a realist, so I have no problem mentioning Ohio's problems and not trying to sugarcoat things.

 

If you think Wisconsins infrastructure is in good shape. You haven't seen a lot of the state.  Furthermore the low unemployment rate further proves there is no need to pay 1 million for one job.  Further. I would never defend ohio doing the same.  Wisconsin has always valued higher education and their growth has nothing to do with pie on the sky manufacturing plants.

 

 

I am not saying Wisconsin is Switzerland, but you made the claim they can't pave a road.  Compare Wisconsin to Ohio and most people would agree their infrastructure is better than Ohio's.  That's pretty obvious if you have been there.  For a state that invests absolutely no money in other transportation options, the roads in Ohio should be much better, and actually cleaned up of debris. 

Foxconn has talked a big game years in Pennsylvania with a project that never happened.  Reports I'm reading say 3Billion in incentives from the state.  Not including TIF and local incentives.  Only 3,000 jobs are guaranteed from the start. That's 1 million per job.  They paid too much.

 

Let's go back and read what I said earlier, it's a wait and see game. Nothing has been set in stone. Tell me how JobsOhio has been such a huge success with the incentives they have thrown out?  High unemployment rate and going on two years of sluggish job growth.  Ohio's economy isn't exactly on the fast track to success.  Obama's policies are reaching down to the state level, and we are seeing many states grow and prosper, meanwhile in Ohio, the growth is well below average and I see that as something to be concerned about.

 

Incentives are not really going to grow your economy. You grow your economy by investing in education and attracting educated young prople.  Wisconsin has prospered because they historically invested in higher education.  Since walker took office Wisconsin has decreased investment in education and pretty much everything else.  Those cuts will take time to hurt Wisconsin who's now playing the pay for jobs game. 

Foxconn has talked a big game years in Pennsylvania with a project that never happened.  Reports I'm reading say 3Billion in incentives from the state.  Not including TIF and local incentives.  Only 3,000 jobs are guaranteed from the start. That's 1 million per job.  They paid too much.

 

Let's go back and read what I said earlier, it's a wait and see game. Nothing has been set in stone. Tell me how JobsOhio has been such a huge success with the incentives they have thrown out?  High unemployment rate and going on two years of sluggish job growth.  Ohio's economy isn't exactly on the fast track to success.  Obama's policies are reaching down to the state level, and we are seeing many states grow and prosper, meanwhile in Ohio, the growth is well below average and I see that as something to be concerned about.

 

Incentives are not really going to grow your economy. You grow your economy by investing in education and attracting educated young prople.  Wisconsin has prospered because they historically invested in higher education.  Since walker took office Wisconsin has decreased investment in education and pretty much everything else.  Those cuts will take time to hurt Wisconsin who's now playing the pay for jobs game.

 

Scott Walker means absolutely nothing to me, he's worse than John Kasich.  But Wisconsin is a good example of doing things better than Ohio.  A state in a similar region that is building off of its strengths.  Foxconn made an announcement today in Milwaukee a city that is doing extremely well right now.  My first comment was to show just how far behind Ohio is.  The BLS just the other day released its newest figures, and once again, Ohio is not doing too hot.  Wisconsin does a pretty good job for a Rust Belt state in attracting young educated people.  I knew many people at Cleveland State from Milwaukee that moved back to Milwaukee because they saw a brighter future there, and not having to move to another region of the country to be successful.