October 10, 20177 yr ^"The Chamber says the site is closest to meeting Amazon's requirements, including it's close proximity to Cleveland and Pittsburgh." ....except its neither Cleveland nor Pittsburgh. I though Amazon wanted to be in a city...
October 10, 20177 yr I think Akron's innerbelt works better than the boonies of Trumbull county, if they are wanting to be "out of the way" yet still have an urbanness. Akron has the CVSR and the towpath coming into downtown plus another bike path coming from the East to be finished soon. So Akron could meet a lot of their goals by being walkable and bike-able.
October 10, 20177 yr The Midwest: Inferiority Complex And Economic Decline By Pete Saunders ... The Midwest did not develop as organically as the East Coast did, or even as any other U.S. region did, for that matter. Without question, the South developed through its expansion of the slave and plantation economy -- later discredited and overthrown by the Civil War, but critical to its growth nonetheless. The vast distances of the West made its connections to other regions more tenuous, but it led to a "destination" feeling to it; you can't have a "from sea to shining sea" mantra without a shining sea ending. The West became more independent as a result. Meanwhile, the Midwest was tied to the East Coast cities that would always perform the senior partner role. New England settlers founded many of the region's cities and towns. East Coast banks funded land acquisitions and railroads. Financiers invested the money to establish the Midwest's agricultural economy and the manufacturing economy that followed it. Midwesterners have been following the East Coast's lead for 200 years, and we've developed an inferiority complex as a result. ... more: https://www.forbes.com/sites/petesaunders1/2017/09/30/the-midwest-inferiority-complex-and-economic-decline/#72787ce873d5 What do you guys think of the part I quoted? I had never really considered that before. Interesting article on the whole, they interview Richey Piiparinen at CSU.
October 10, 20177 yr ^ there's a typo in the third paragraph....should I keep reading? I'm getting a distinct provoke the reader vibe already lol
October 11, 20177 yr I figure this CityLab article about "underdogs" trying to win the Amazon HQ belonged here, because it included a nice section about Dayton (and Nan Whaley by extension, who is clearly pushing hard to get her name out there for the governor's race): [...] That’s not to mention the potentially extreme tax incentives cities are offering up as barter. Often, the impetus for the breaks comes at the state level, but their impacts could be disastrous, especially on the smallest of cities. The mayor of Dayton, Nan Whaley, says she doesn’t plan on capitulating to that section of the RFP. But she does see other benefits for Dayton. She hopes that the process might compel transportation improvements within and between the two cities. “Right now with transit, because of the way the state funds it, each community has their own transit system. This opens the door to say ‘does that make the most sense for Southwest Ohio?’” she says. “If you live in Dayton and you don’t have a car, and you have a job in Cincinnati, you’d have to go through three transit systems to get to Cincinnati. And that’s not doable.“ Making their cities more hospitable for Amazon might also translate into making them more hospitable, period. The rest of the article is below: https://www.citylab.com/life/2017/10/the-underdogs-bidding-on-amazon-hq2/541446/ “To an Ohio resident - wherever he lives - some other part of his state seems unreal.”
October 11, 20177 yr ^ there's a typo in the third paragraph....should I keep reading? I'm getting a distinct provoke the reader vibe already lol What's the typo? This article didn't upset me at all, I thought it was just an honest analysis of something we all know is true.
October 11, 20177 yr ^ "Midwest" in the sentence below should be "cities:" "Certainly Cleveland exhibits it, Detroit does, and many other Midwest do as well, both large and small."
October 11, 20177 yr Ram, trying to steal my job as editor! I saw they singled out Toledo. We could just as easily write an article wondering why, even with all their east coast advantages, Newark, Trenton, Camden, Hartford etc are underperforming. Anyhow, after growing up right between Philly and NYC I'll say that it's Philly that has the real inferiority complex. Edit - had my own typo lol
October 11, 20177 yr Oh, I thought you meant the third paragraph that I quoted. I didn't even think to check the third paragraph of the actual article, haha. Anyways, the article doesn't say that no cities on the east coast are under performing, and it also doesn't say that there are no other cities with inferiority complexes other than midwestern ones. It addresses the midwestern inferiority complex, which exists and we shouldn't try to pretend it doesn't.
October 12, 20177 yr So there are buses going from Dayton to Cincinnati? Yes. Greyhound buses. No, the buses go from suburban Trotwood to Cincinnati. Trotwood is a 45-minute GDRTA bus ride from central Dayton. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 28, 20177 yr Originally Published: October 20, 2017 9:05 AM Updated: 8 days ago Ohio added 10,500 jobs in September; unemployment rate falls to 5.3% By Scott Suttell Ohio added 10,500 jobs in September, and the state's unemployment rate fell to 5.3% from 5.4% in August, according to data issued Friday morning, Oct. 20. The Ohio Department of Job and Family Services reported that the state's nonagricultural wage and salary employment rose to 5,557,000 last month from a revised 5,546,500 in August. The number of workers unemployed in Ohio in September was 305,000, down 6,000 from 311,000 in August, according to the state data. In the past 12 months, though, the number of unemployed in Ohio has increased by 21,000, from 284,000 in September 2016, when the state's unemployment rate was 5%. Ohio's current jobless rate of 5.3% is more than one percentage point higher than the national rate, which was 4.2% in September. In September 2016, the national unemployment rate was 4.9%, virtually the same as the national rate. http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20171020/news/139441/ohio-added-10500-jobs-september-unemployment-rate-falls-53
October 30, 20177 yr Amazon Is Getting a Good Deal in Ohio. Maybe Too Good https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-26/amazon-is-getting-a-good-deal-in-ohio-maybe-too-good "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 7, 20187 yr State and MSA Employment Summaries, November 2016 to November 2017 Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) Employment Summary, November 2016 to November 2017: 01. Dallas/Fort Worth MSA: + 100,400 02. New York MSA: + 89,300 03. Boston MSA: + 60,300 04. Atlanta MSA: + 56,000 05. Miami/Fort Lauderdale MSA: + 52,200 06. Los Angeles MSA: + 50,700 07. Washington, D.C. MSA: + 48,900 08. Houston MSA: + 48,500 09. Seattle MSA: + 47,900 10. Riverside/San Bernardino MSA: + 46,800 11. Phoenix MSA: + 45,200 12. Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: + 41,600 13. San Francisco/Oakland MSA: + 40,200 14. Orlando MSA: + 38,800 15. Detroit MSA: + 34,000 16. San Antonio MSA: + 31,200 17. Tampa MSA: + 30,600 18. Philadelphia MSA: + 30,000 19. Austin MSA: + 27,800 20. Chicago MSA: + 25,900 21. Las Vegas MSA: + 25,200 22. Nashville MSA: + 25,100 23. Denver MSA: + 23,300 24. Portland MSA: + 21,400 25. San Diego MSA: + 20,800 26. Cincinnati MSA: + 20,200 27. Charlotte MSA: + 20,100 28. San Jose MSA: + 20,000 29. Raleigh MSA: + 19,600 30. Salt Lake City MSA: + 19,200 31. Jacksonville MSA: + 18,800 32. Sacramento MSA: + 18,200 33. Indianapolis MSA: + 18,000 34. Baltimore MSA: + 17,600 35. Pittsburgh MSA: + 16,500 36. Louisville MSA: + 14,000 37. Grand Rapids MSA: + 13,700 38. Kansas City MSA: + 13,000 39. Saint Louis MSA: + 11,300 40. Oklahoma City MSA: + 9,900 41. Boise MSA: + 9,800 42. Richmond MSA: + 9,700 43. Des Moines MSA: + 9,300 44. Columbus MSA: + 9,000 45. Omaha MSA: + 8,900 46. Madison MSA: + 8,800 47. El Paso MSA: + 8,300 48. Baton Rouge MSA: + 7,700 49. Chattanooga MSA: + 7,700 50. Harrisburg MSA: + 7,500 51. Tulsa MSA: + 7,200 52. Charleston, S.C. MSA: + 7,000 53. Huntsville MSA: + 6,200 54. Milwaukee MSA: + 6,200 55. Honolulu MSA: + 6,000 56. McAllen MSA: + 5,800 57. Providence MSA: + 5,800 58. Fresno MSA: + 5,700 59. Greenville MSA: + 5,100 60. Memphis MSA: + 5,000 61. Cleveland MSA: + 4,300 62. Syracuse MSA: + 4,100 63. Bakersfield MSA: + 3,700 64. Colorado Springs MSA: + 3,300 65. Albany MSA: + 3,100 66. Albuquerque MSA: + 3,000 67. Bridgeport MSA: + 2,600 68. Columbia MSA: + 2,500 69. Spokane MSA: + 2,400 70. Little Rock MSA: + 1,900 71. Allentown MSA: + 1,800 72. Greensboro MSA: + 1,800 73. Reno MSA: + 1,800 74. Knoxville MSA: + 1,700 75. New Haven: + 1,700 76. Birmingham MSA: + 1,400 77. Buffalo MSA: + 600 78. Lexington MSA: + 500 79. Hartford MSA: +/- 0 80. Cape Coral/Fort Myers MSA: -300 81. Mobile MSA: -700 82. New Orleans MSA: -2,200 83. Tucson MSA: -2,600 84. Rochester MSA: -3,000 85. Virginia Beach/Norfolk MSA: -6,000 86. San Juan MSA: -29,800
January 7, 20187 yr 01. Dallas/Fort Worth MSA: + 100,400 02. New York MSA: + 89,300 Wow, that's crazy. Dallas is pretty miserable place. That they would outpace NY is mindboggling.
January 7, 20187 yr 01. Dallas/Fort Worth MSA: + 100,400 02. New York MSA: + 89,300 03. Boston MSA: + 60,300 04. Atlanta MSA: + 56,000 05. Miami/Fort Lauderdale MSA: + 52,200 06. Los Angeles MSA: + 50,700 07. Washington, D.C. MSA: + 48,900 08. Houston MSA: + 48,500 09. Seattle MSA: + 47,900 10. Riverside/San Bernardino MSA: + 46,800 11. Phoenix MSA: + 45,200 12. Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: + 41,600 13. San Francisco/Oakland MSA: + 40,200 14. Orlando MSA: + 38,800 15. Detroit MSA: + 34,000 16. San Antonio MSA: + 31,200 17. Tampa MSA: + 30,600 18. Philadelphia MSA: + 30,000 19. Austin MSA: + 27,800 20. Chicago MSA: + 25,900 Wow, that's crazy. Dallas is pretty miserable place. That they would outpace NY is mindboggling. Detroit's metro seems to be doing better too; more jobs that Chicago, and not far behind SFO.
January 9, 20187 yr State and MSA Employment Summaries, November 2016 to November 2017 Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) Employment Summary, November 2016 to November 2017: 24. Portland MSA: + 21,400 25. San Diego MSA: + 20,800 26. Cincinnati MSA: + 20,200 27. Charlotte MSA: + 20,100 28. San Jose MSA: + 20,000 29. Raleigh MSA: + 19,600 What's notable is the inclusion of Cincinnati within this grouping of cities. Very impressive.
January 9, 20187 yr ^ Yeah, Cincinnati MSA looks down right impressive on this list! We always hear about how Columbus is dominating the state when it comes to growth, but Cincy has double their job growth in this time span! I initially thought some of these numbers could be inflated by job sprawl south of Dayton, but in another thread (can't remember which), it was said that almost all of Dayton's southern sprawl which gets counted in Cincy's MSA is residential. Austin Landing is in Montgomery County, so whatever jobs have sprouted along there get counted as Dayton. It makes me wonder, though, where all these jobs are coming from. I know the CVG area is growing quickly with industrial/warehouse growth, and the Monroe-CinDay area is also booming with industrial type of growth, too. I'd also wager that the service industry has grown quite a bit.
January 9, 20187 yr It's amazing how Nashville only has a slight edge over Cincinnati. One has an exploding skyline and the other has maybe 1 crane. I think it's pretty obvious that Cincinnati is still filling up existing residential and office structures. The industrial park where I work was deserted in 2011. Now all of the vacant truck terminals are back to life and have "help wanted" signs out front.
January 9, 20187 yr Cleveland's struggles continue. Surprised Milwaukee is having issues. Actually looking at the BLS stats, it looks like CLE just had a weak month. Not quite sure why we're breaking down this list like this. It would probably be better to do a monthly report for an entire year to get a better picture.
January 9, 20187 yr The bigger surprise for me is Virginia Beach/Norfolk MSA: -6,000, which is generally a stable area statistically. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
January 9, 20187 yr The bigger surprise for me is Virginia Beach/Norfolk MSA: -6,000, which is generally a stable area statistically. Lots of government cutbacks there with both military and NASA. My cousin was recently laid off from Langley research after years on the job there.
January 9, 20187 yr Damn, that sucks. I have a soft-spot for Hampton Roads. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
January 9, 20187 yr The bigger surprise for me is Virginia Beach/Norfolk MSA: -6,000, which is generally a stable area statistically. My guess is because there's a lot of government contracting jobs in the region which are dragging the numbers down. Big contraction in this sector as of late. Could be coupled with shipbuilding too. Don't know much about US Naval contracts.
January 9, 20187 yr Awesome to see Cincy doing so well. Hoping Columbus and Cleveland can keep picking it up. I too wonder where all those jobs are from but I think there are a lot in NKY with a lot of expansions in both NKY and Ohio side. I am wondering though, is Dayton possibly lumped in with Cincy? I didn't see them listed even though they are one of the larger MSA's in the USA relatively speaking for this list, at least a top 85 MSA in the USA. Some midwest cities doing really well: 12. Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: + 41,600 15. Detroit MSA: + 34,000 26. Cincinnati MSA: + 20,200 33. Indianapolis MSA: + 18,000 36. Louisville MSA: + 14,000 37. Grand Rapids MSA: + 13,700 43. Des Moines MSA: + 9,300 45. Omaha MSA: + 8,900 46. Madison MSA: + 8,800 Not so great but not too bad: 20. Chicago MSA: + 25,900 38. Kansas City MSA: + 13,000 39. Saint Louis MSA: + 11,300 44. Columbus MSA: + 9,000 Growing but slowly: 54. Milwaukee MSA: + 6,200 61. Cleveland MSA: + 4,300 78. Lexington MSA: + 500
January 9, 20187 yr Goes against conventional wisdom of Columbus being the best performing MSA in the state. Surprising to see that over a whole year. Maybe Cincy is still recovering from the Great Recession? It would be interesting to see the median and mean annual salaries for the jobs added to each MSA. It wouldn't make sense to have Dayton together with Cincinnati, since they are separate MSAs (and even separate CSAs).
January 9, 20187 yr Weird. Dayton appears to have pretty significant job growth per this website: https://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.oh_dayton_msa.htm
January 9, 20187 yr Goes against conventional wisdom of Columbus being the best performing MSA in the state. Surprising to see that over a whole year. Maybe Cincy is still recovering from the Great Recession? It would be interesting to see the median and mean annual salaries for the jobs added to each MSA. It wouldn't make sense to have Dayton together with Cincinnati, since they are separate MSAs (and even separate CSAs). On Cincy recovering from recession, it looks like this past year in 2017 they hit peak employment of approx. 1,082,000 jobs in the summer. Pre-recession highs in 07 and 08 looked like around 1,070,000 jobs in summer peak However, 2017 looks like the first time it went past pre-recession peak. The labor force is now looking about exactly the same as it was in 2008 but with a lower unemployment rate. https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LAUMT391714000000005?amp%253bdata_tool=XGtable&output_view=data&include_graphs=true Here's some interesting #'s: Cincy Nov. 17 non-farm employment: 1,112,800 with average wage: $23.14/hour with 1.8% growth from Nov. 2016 to Nov. 2017 in non-farm employment https://www.bls.gov/regions/midwest/summary/blssummary_cincinnati.pdf Dayton Nov. 17 non-farm employment: 397,500 with average wage: $22.73/hour with 2.4%! growth from Nov. 2016 to Nov. 2017 in non-farm employment https://www.bls.gov/regions/midwest/summary/blssummary_dayton.pdf Columbus Nov. 17 non-farm employment: 1,097,000 with average wage: $23.48 with 0.8% growth from Nov. 2016 to Nov. 2017 in non-farm employment https://www.bls.gov/regions/midwest/summary/blssummary_columbus_oh.pdf Cleveland Nov. 17 non-farm employment: 1,065,600 with average wage: $23.20 with 0.4% growth from Nov. 2016 to Nov. 2017 in non-farm employment https://www.bls.gov/regions/midwest/summary/blssummary_cleveland_oh.pdf Akron Nov. 17 non-farm employment: 343,600 with average wage: $22.32 with -0.8% growth from Nov. 2016 to Nov. 2017 in non-farm employment https://www.bls.gov/regions/midwest/summary/blssummary_akron.pdf
January 10, 20187 yr Dayton I'm not surprised by as someone earlier alluded to...those light-industrial spec buildings. They are popping up all over Metro Dayton. Akron I'm kinda surprised by as I thought it was doing fine (well, at least better than the other DATY 2ndary Ohio cities). "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
January 10, 20187 yr I'd caution this data is preliminary and is definitely subject to change in the short and long term so I wouldn't put a lot of stock in November numbers until at least the next report. Also, in order to properly view this data you need to look at every month of the year not just one specific month because of the seasonal variability of job types. It was my mistake to comment, I thought the BLS had actually come out with a specific report about the year. This isn't the case, it's just the usual data they release monthly.
January 10, 20187 yr ^Right but isn't it safe to say that almost everywhere in the nation, the summer is the peak and the winter is the downturn? That's pretty uniform across the United States. There is probably a little less of a ridge in the south vs the north due to construction jobs, and thinking in Cincy probably a slightly smaller downturn than in Cleveland due to winter weather, but not by much Maybe the #'s aren't all exact but it gives a good indication of what the economy is doing
January 10, 20187 yr ^Right but isn't it safe to say that almost everywhere in the nation, the summer is the peak and the winter is the downturn? That's pretty uniform across the United States. There is probably a little less of a ridge in the south vs the north due to construction jobs, and thinking in Cincy probably a slightly smaller downturn than in Cleveland due to winter weather, but not by much Maybe the #'s aren't all exact but it gives a good indication of what the economy is doing 1. Revisions from preliminary data are usually minor but sometimes aren't. The BLS even cautions about making assumptions from prelim data. 2. Data can be quite different. Cleveland's preliminary data for November is 0.4% growth (not-revised). In June it was 2.1%. That's a lot more jobs and a much higher ranking. An annual average gives a complete picture after the data has been revised. Every market has a different seasonal nature so they don't ebb and flow together.
January 10, 20187 yr ^I understand what you are saying. I think on those profiles they have a graph showing average growth year over year per month, but maybe I am looking at it wrong. Are you saying that the best numbers to look at are end of year #'s and aggregate total jobs gained over the year, instead of what this was showing which was increase of jobs from Nov. 16 - Nov. 17?
January 10, 20187 yr ^I understand what you are saying. I think on those profiles they have a graph showing average growth year over year per month, but maybe I am looking at it wrong. Are you saying that the best numbers to look at are end of year #'s and aggregate total jobs gained over the year, instead of what this was showing which was increase of jobs from Nov. 16 - Nov. 17? I'm saying: 1. Let the prelim data shake out: Nov. will be revised in the Dec. update. 2. Then look at monthly data over a year. I believe Cincy is still ahead of Columbus and Cle for the last 12 non-prelim data months (ending with Oct.-Oct.) if that is what you are looking for. But the aggregate picture is better and more accurate. Still not perfect because BLS sometimes revises numbers over the long term as well but it is much closer to a complete picture of the job market.
January 11, 20187 yr Goes against conventional wisdom of Columbus being the best performing MSA in the state. Surprising to see that over a whole year. Maybe Cincy is still recovering from the Great Recession? It would be interesting to see the median and mean annual salaries for the jobs added to each MSA. It wouldn't make sense to have Dayton together with Cincinnati, since they are separate MSAs (and even separate CSAs). As you implied, it's understandable why such job statistics will trigger consternation from Columbus; the numbers dramatically alter the standard narrative. Needless to say, because such figures aren't carved in stone, they will inevitably vary from year-to-year and decade-to-decade (and maybe radically so) - but at least not this year that just ended. The sobering fact is that these job stats are legit, that the Cincy/Dayton MSAs have not been somehow scrambled together and that the BLS isn't just fiddling around until more accurate numbers pop up. All this kind of magical thinking only detracts from the realization that Cincinnati's job growth has been so significant that, at least for now, a new narrative needs to be recognized.
January 11, 20187 yr Goes against conventional wisdom of Columbus being the best performing MSA in the state. Surprising to see that over a whole year. Maybe Cincy is still recovering from the Great Recession? It would be interesting to see the median and mean annual salaries for the jobs added to each MSA. It wouldn't make sense to have Dayton together with Cincinnati, since they are separate MSAs (and even separate CSAs). As you implied, it's understandable why such job statistics will trigger consternation from Columbus; the numbers dramatically alter the standard narrative. Needless to say, because such figures aren't carved in stone, they will inevitably vary from year-to-year and decade-to-decade (and maybe radically so) - but at least not this year that just ended. The sobering fact is that these job stats are legit, that the Cincy/Dayton MSAs have not been somehow scrambled together and that the BLS isn't just fiddling around until more accurate numbers pop up. All this kind of magical thinking only detracts from the realization that Cincinnati's job growth has been so significant that, at least for now, a new narrative needs to be recognized. I hate economic city rankings because it leads to responses like this.
January 11, 20187 yr I think these sorts of unweighted statistics are quite useful because the typical "Top Cities for .... " lists insert some sort of distortion. For example, we see quite clearly from this list that Nashville is not the runaway jobs creator that its hype machine wants you to believe it is. True, there are 10+ skyscrapers going up there as we speak, but they are mostly low-employment hotels and apartment towers. We also see that Detroit(!) is crushing the New South cities (again, Nashville, Charlotte) in raw job creation, even though it is of course a much bigger metro. The Cincinnati statistic is a surprise to everyone since there is not an outburst of new construction here. But as I mentioned previously, there were A TON of vacancies in buildings of all kinds during the recession that no doubt are re-absorbing activity, and many of them don't look like traditional office buildings. There is a ton of Class B & C office and light industrial in and around Cincinnati where quite often 100+ people work.
January 11, 20187 yr Yeah, I'm in the middle on these rankings, it does give us a good sense of what is going on but understand it isn't completely accurate. I would argue though that most cities in the north have around the same job cycle, so if the BLS is saying Cincy was +20k, Columbus +10k, Cleveland +3k, maybe the numbers aren't exact but I highly doubt Cincy would drop to +15k, maybe to +18 or +19k. To Jake's point, he has to be right in the absorption of buildings. Reading the courier almost everyday, it seems you always see a manufacturer or other type is expanding, those jobs add up over a year. A place like Blue Ash seems to be filling up and will probably need new office buildings, they are already building industrial buildings. We just arn'et really seeing it with new construction in the city itself. Though driving around lately in East Walnut Hills, there are 4 active, small to large residential construction sites going on in a very small area.
January 11, 20187 yr ^Queen City Square was a huge office building for a market of our size. Phase II, the big tower, is 800,000 sq feet. By comparison, the new Bridgestone tower in Nashville is slightly over 500,000 sq feet. This is the only major office tower that has gone up in DT Nashville during the current boom. The rest of the towers are residential or hotels.
January 11, 20187 yr This is getting off topic, and I've been to Nashville a lot, but I wish Cincinnati could start cashing in on some type of music draw parallel to Nashville. Something like the Emery and turn it into a hot spot for country music acts, even if small. I know the economics probably don't work at all right now but I think something like that could do well in Cincinnati. That said, I know for certain there has got to be tons of starving to death artists in Nashville that are having a tougher and tougher time paying rent, so we could be a good secondary market for it, if someone that had some dough and connections decided to open up a recording studio in Cincy
January 12, 20187 yr This is getting off topic, and I've been to Nashville a lot, but I wish Cincinnati could start cashing in on some type of music draw parallel to Nashville. Something like the Emery and turn it into a hot spot for country music acts, even if small. I know the economics probably don't work at all right now but I think something like that could do well in Cincinnati. That said, I know for certain there has got to be tons of starving to death artists in Nashville that are having a tougher and tougher time paying rent, so we could be a good secondary market for it, if someone that had some dough and connections decided to open up a recording studio in Cincy Would be a long uphill climb to catch up with Nashville. Don't you guys still have Ultrasuede? John Curley's studio?
January 12, 20187 yr I was just talking to someone yesterday who is about 22 who wants to play music in Nashville even though he's never been there. I told him that the rent is ridiculous down there and I don't think he understands what paying $1,000+ mo. and having 2-3 roommates means. I imagine that the typical gig in Nashville pays no more than one in Ohio because there are no shortage of people willing to play for $25. 20 $25 gigs per month = $500.
January 12, 20187 yr I was just talking to someone yesterday who is about 22 who wants to play music in Nashville even though he's never been there. I told him that the rent is ridiculous down there and I don't think he understands what paying $1,000+ mo. and having 2-3 roommates means. I imagine that the typical gig in Nashville pays no more than one in Ohio because there are no shortage of people willing to play for $25. 20 $25 gigs per month = $500. Then again, in a booming economy there are plenty of day jobs for would-be musicians. d
January 12, 20187 yr Then again, in a booming economy there are plenty of day jobs for would-be musicians. d Yeah he parks cars for a boutique hotel in Cincinnati. I can't imagine that the same gig pays any more, let alone significantly more there. But he's currently paying about 1/3 what he'd be paying to rent in Nashville.
January 12, 20187 yr It's hard to get gigs there because the bands are really cliquey. I'm just skeptical that there are many high-paying regular gigs there. Unless you're playing high class charity events and rich people weddings, you aren't pocketing more than $50 playing in a 3-5 piece band. Which is no different than here.
January 12, 20187 yr Even Nashville has high-paying regular gigs for bands that play Nickelback covers in strip malls.
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