Ohio doesn't rank well. Makes it tough to attract young people. 

 

 

We're always being told that Columbus is so good at this but the area is so segregated by type of work. People with blue collar jobs don't live anywhere close to people with white collar jobs. So your all-important high school network determines much of your fate.

I know some people don't want to hear it but most every poor Ohio ranking  can be directly linked to Ohio Republican policies. Until that changes nothing else will change. 

52 minutes ago, cadmen said:

I know some people don't want to hear it but most every poor Ohio ranking  can be directly linked to Ohio Republican policies. Until that changes nothing else will change. 

100% this. Was at a backyard party yesterday on the NW side of Chicago, and "Ohio" was mentioned several times in a very negative light due to the girl that had to go to Indiana for an abortion. They think its more backward than Indiana, and that is pretty backward.

7 hours ago, KJP said:

Ohio doesn't rank well. Makes it tough to attract young people. 

 

 

IMHO, you can paint this picture as very grim by organizing the data so tightly, and assigning color coding in very small increments.  Essentially you have 10 out of 100 in Seattle ranking number 4, and 5 out of 10 in Cleveland ranking number 41.  While there is a difference, it's really not huge.  This is more of a socio-econmoic issue of wealth distribution in the United States versus regional issues.

Thats why I think the best way to get people pro-Cleveland (and Columbus, Cincinatti, Toledo, Dayton, Akron, etc.) is to get people here to visit either through leisure or conventions or other large events like a final four.

 

 

2 hours ago, Jenny said:

IMHO, you can paint this picture as very grim by organizing the data so tightly, and assigning color coding in very small increments.  Essentially you have 10 out of 100 in Seattle ranking number 4, and 5 out of 10 in Cleveland ranking number 41.  While there is a difference, it's really not huge.  This is more of a socio-econmoic issue of wealth distribution in the United States versus regional issues.

 

I do question the methodology as well since some of these MSAs are so big. The economic mobility of Ross, Pickaway and Fairfield Counties is way worse than Franklin or Delaware.  Look at how well West Virginia and North Dakota do. That's because even fast food and casino jobs that they didn't have 40 years ago pay better than the chronic unemployment than you saw in WV or on western Native American reservations back then.

33 minutes ago, originaljbw said:

Thats why I think the best way to get people pro-Cleveland (and Columbus, Cincinatti, Toledo, Dayton, Akron, etc.) is to get people here to visit either through leisure or conventions or other large events like a final four.

 

 

 

Only issue with that is they start asking where you get on the train... not a problem in Cleveland or now Cincinnati, but I've definitely had the conversations in Cincinnati before the streetcar opened.

Lordstown Motors reported a profit for the quarter.  Unfortunately it's the result of financial not vehicular engineering. Still, nice for NEO.

 

http://archive.fast-edgar.com/20220804/AAZ2A22CZC229282222Q22Z2RVAN9M2IR242/

Hints emerge that new $4.4B Honda battery factory will be built in Ohio

 

https://www.daytondailynews.com/local/hints-emerge-that-new-honda-battery-factory-will-be-built-in-ohio/KNHVWOJ26RBM7HYEPB6LIC64ME/?outputType=amp

 

I wonder where this might end up being built. One would think they probably want locate relatively close the Marysville plant...

Honda also has a large plant in Greensburg Indiana, maybe they'll split the difference and place it somewhere along the Miami river (I assume water access is important for a plant that size) in Hamilton/Middletown/Dayton area. Hopefully it comes to SW Ohio and not down in Alabama. 

2 hours ago, cbussoccer said:

Hints emerge that new $4.4B Honda battery factory will be built in Ohio

 

https://www.daytondailynews.com/local/hints-emerge-that-new-honda-battery-factory-will-be-built-in-ohio/KNHVWOJ26RBM7HYEPB6LIC64ME/?outputType=amp

 

I wonder where this might end up being built. One would think they probably want locate relatively close the Marysville plant...

Someone on Reddit, said they have knowledge, so take it with a grain of salt, but said it isn’t going in Dayton or the the Marysville area. 

2 hours ago, cbussoccer said:

Hints emerge that new $4.4B Honda battery factory will be built in Ohio

 

https://www.daytondailynews.com/local/hints-emerge-that-new-honda-battery-factory-will-be-built-in-ohio/KNHVWOJ26RBM7HYEPB6LIC64ME/?outputType=amp

 

I wonder where this might end up being built. One would think they probably want locate relatively close the Marysville plant...

Would love to see it in Dayton as the automotive sector has been hit hard there. 
I could see the Marysville area but also I can see why you keep it out of Marysville since both places would pull from the same talent pool.

3 hours ago, cbussoccer said:

Hints emerge that new $4.4B Honda battery factory will be built in Ohio

 

https://www.daytondailynews.com/local/hints-emerge-that-new-honda-battery-factory-will-be-built-in-ohio/KNHVWOJ26RBM7HYEPB6LIC64ME/?outputType=amp

 

I wonder where this might end up being built. One would think they probably want locate relatively close the Marysville plant...

Ohio is really making a name for itself in the EV industry.  Hopefully, that will have a snowball effect going forward.  Besides this announcement, there's the GM Ultium battery plant in Lordstown, The Foxconn factory in Lordstown where the Fisker Pear assembly is planned, The Jeep Wrangler PHEV is assembled in Toledo, and Ford is supposed to start assembling commercial EV's in Avon Lake.

 

With increasing incentives for EV carmakers to manufacture in North America, and an experienced workforce in the automotive industry, hopefully Ohio is poised to keep up this momentum.

Just heard DeWine talk about it. He alluded that it will be likely in the listening area of S.W. Ohio. He was rather cryptic about it but it could certainly be Marysville. I think it rules out Toledo (which he pretty much alluded too) and NE Ohio.  My guess is that it will be somewhere on the 75 corridor Middletown - piqua range. Or along 70 from Marysville - Indiana border

2 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

Just heard DeWine talk about it. He alluded that it will be likely in the listening area of S.W. Ohio. He was rather cryptic about it but it could certainly be Marysville. I think it rules out Toledo (which he pretty much alluded too) and NE Ohio.  My guess is that it will be somewhere on the 75 corridor Middletown - piqua range. Or along 70 from Marysville - Indiana border

I was thinking S.W too. Politics is also intertwined in this stuff (my opinion). After the Intel announcement for Central Ohio it wouldn’t surprise to see the state target a different area. 

24 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

Just heard DeWine talk about it. He alluded that it will be likely in the listening area of S.W. Ohio. He was rather cryptic about it but it could certainly be Marysville. I think it rules out Toledo (which he pretty much alluded too) and NE Ohio.  My guess is that it will be somewhere on the 75 corridor Middletown - piqua range. Or along 70 from Marysville - Indiana border

 

This area makes the most sense to me, although I would push the southern further north past downtown Dayton. If you stay north of Dayton, you'll likely find cheaper land, be closer to the Marysville plant, and be closer to I-70. 

Just now, cbussoccer said:

 

This area makes the most sense to me, although I would push the southern further north past downtown Dayton. If you stay north of Dayton, you'll likely find cheaper land, be closer to the Marysville plant, and be closer to I-70. 

 Based on how he spoke, I am thinking it will be more in the Dayton market than Columbus market. I certainly can see Piqua/Troy/Springfield as good options just as I can see Moraine/Kettering/Miamisburg too (they have those old brownfields there that could be redeveloped instead of the raw land by building in the country, plus there are utilities running to those areas of Dayton already. 

 
This area makes the most sense to me, although I would push the southern further north past downtown Dayton. If you stay north of Dayton, you'll likely find cheaper land, be closer to the Marysville plant, and be closer to I-70. 

Or to the southeast along I-71. My guess is the Wilmington area. If I was responsible for the decision at Honda I’d choose right at the intersection of I-71 and US 68, because US 68 is pretty easy to navigate up to the Honda plants (barring all of the screwball backroads to cut over north of Urbana, but the truck route on US 36 is an easy drive). And Greensburg is easy to get to as well from there. Land is cheap, labor is more available because Amazon decided to not build their hub there, and Wilmington Airpark is a perfect airport to have to bring in rush parts when needed to make production. Also they seem to like to locate right between major cities, and that site puts them in a good spot between Cincy, Columbus and Dayton. So that’s my two cents ahead of any official announcement, let’s see if it ages like milk. Hope this happens!


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10 hours ago, SWOH said:

Or to the southeast along I-71. My guess is the Wilmington area. If I was responsible for the decision at Honda I’d choose right at the intersection of I-71 and US 68, because US 68 is pretty easy to navigate up to the Honda plants (barring all of the screwball backroads to cut over north of Urbana, but the truck route on US 36 is an easy drive).

Sound logic for all the reasons you stated, but I'm thinking if Wilmington it would more likely be east or south of town in order to have rail for receiving bulk materials (or even shipping finished goods). Plenty of options along 22/3 between Wilmington and Washington CH, and there is a north/south rail line near 71/41. Definitely an underserved labor market in that area after Airborne left. Maybe it would add enough traffic on 71 to justify 3 lanes between Cincinnati and Columbus so I can visit my parents without constantly being stuck behind two semis. 

 

I'll throw out a crazy wildcard guess and say somewhere along the Rt 32 corridor in Clermont, Brown, or Adams County. Would draw from much of the above labor market and even some much more rural areas. Lots of cheap land, and there is rail - depending on the scale this could justify reactivating the rail banked eastern end of the old N&W Peavine to direct ship resources from east-coast ports (and ship finished batteries back to Japan). While I'd personally rather see Honda locate closer to one of the metros so this doesn't enable exurban sprawl - just like with Wilmington, there are already plenty of people living in this area that formerly had decent job opportunities not too far away (Ford in Batavia, Piketon plant, and also Airborne). Plenty of them drive to the Cincinnati suburbs for work now. 

If SW Ohio is the location...

 

My wife is from Indian Lake and I am from Wilmington. We had a conversation about Marysville vs Wilmington today as for a location (if it isn't any of the other well suited sites already mentioned) and the only reason I suggested Wilmington over Marysville was because of the 15,000 job sized hole DHL left in 2008. 

 

If we are looking for something more akin to Columbus : New Albany, Cincinnati/Dayton : ____________, I'd say closer to I-75 makes more sense.

11 hours ago, SWOH said:

Or to the southeast along I-71. My guess is the Wilmington area. If I was responsible for the decision at Honda I’d choose right at the intersection of I-71 and US 68, because US 68 is pretty easy to navigate up to the Honda plants (barring all of the screwball backroads to cut over north of Urbana, but the truck route on US 36 is an easy drive). And Greensburg is easy to get to as well from there. Land is cheap, labor is more available because Amazon decided to not build their hub there, and Wilmington Airpark is a perfect airport to have to bring in rush parts when needed to make production. Also they seem to like to locate right between major cities, and that site puts them in a good spot between Cincy, Columbus and Dayton. So that’s my two cents ahead of any official announcement, let’s see if it ages like milk. Hope this happens!


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As much as I think Dayton would make the most sense, I think Wilmington also has a good draw to it.  The Airfield there is still pretty active and Amazon has a secondary hub there to augment their CVG hub too from what i understand. This will help with shipping and could be a prime location in that regard. 

 

I found it interesting that Dewine choose to go on WLW to talk about the project yesterday. Needless to say, he did not go on a Cincy station when the Intel news broke for obvious reasons. Hence it further leads that the plant will be more in SW Ohio than Columbus.

Two huge battery factories are being built nearby in Kentucky right now along I-65, Envision AESC is building a 30 GWh plant in Bowling Green and Ford is building a HUGE 86 GWh battery plant(s) in Hardin County (just south of Louisville). If we get Honda's in SW Ohio along 75 there would start to be a pretty impressive collection of battery production being created along the Ohio River valley and hopefully this could lead to more spinoff production like the huge new aluminum factory being place down the Ohio River in KY which will be needed to supply these factories. Batteries aren't going to solve every problem, and I'm not sure enough batteries could exist to electrify every vehicle but it certainly seems like a growth market and it's cool that it seems to be starting to focus in this region of the country. 

Now we know:

 

Honda picks Fayette County for new $3.5 billion electric battery plant

“Honda Motor Co. is investing more than $5.1 billion in electric vehicle production in Ohio, including a new $3.5 billion battery plant to be built in Fayette County and employ 2,200 workers. 

 

The automaker, which already has a sizable presence in Ohio and specifically around Marysville, in late August said it was teaming up with Korea-based LG Energy Solutions to build lithium-ion batteries here in the U.S.

 

Tuesday morning, Honda (NYSE: HMC) announced that new plant, pending government approvals, will be located about 40 miles southwest of Columbus. 

 

Bob Nelson, executive vice president of American Honda Motor Co. Inc., in a roundtable event for press, said Ohio had the “experience, expertise and resources” to be the starting point for Honda’s North American EV future.”

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/10/11/honda-picks-fayette-county-for-new-35-billion-el.html

23 minutes ago, amped91 said:

Now we know:

 

Honda picks Fayette County for new $3.5 billion electric battery plant

“Honda Motor Co. is investing more than $5.1 billion in electric vehicle production in Ohio, including a new $3.5 billion battery plant to be built in Fayette County and employ 2,200 workers. 

 

The automaker, which already has a sizable presence in Ohio and specifically around Marysville, in late August said it was teaming up with Korea-based LG Energy Solutions to build lithium-ion batteries here in the U.S.

 

Tuesday morning, Honda (NYSE: HMC) announced that new plant, pending government approvals, will be located about 40 miles southwest of Columbus. 

 

Bob Nelson, executive vice president of American Honda Motor Co. Inc., in a roundtable event for press, said Ohio had the “experience, expertise and resources” to be the starting point for Honda’s North American EV future.”

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/10/11/honda-picks-fayette-county-for-new-35-billion-el.html

 

Glad to hear that the official announcement does indeed put this plant in Ohio. Interesting choice on the new site, being almost equidistant to Columbus, Dayton, and the northeast fringe of Cincinnati. The article mentions the plant going near the junction of I-71 and US-35, putting it right around the Jeffersonville Outlet Mall. Should make the commute between Columbus and Cincinnati a bit more interesting!

30 minutes ago, amped91 said:

Now we know:

 

Honda picks Fayette County for new $3.5 billion electric battery plant

“Honda Motor Co. is investing more than $5.1 billion in electric vehicle production in Ohio, including a new $3.5 billion battery plant to be built in Fayette County and employ 2,200 workers. 

 

The automaker, which already has a sizable presence in Ohio and specifically around Marysville, in late August said it was teaming up with Korea-based LG Energy Solutions to build lithium-ion batteries here in the U.S.

 

Tuesday morning, Honda (NYSE: HMC) announced that new plant, pending government approvals, will be located about 40 miles southwest of Columbus. 

 

Bob Nelson, executive vice president of American Honda Motor Co. Inc., in a roundtable event for press, said Ohio had the “experience, expertise and resources” to be the starting point for Honda’s North American EV future.”

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/10/11/honda-picks-fayette-county-for-new-35-billion-el.html

Great for employment but terrible for the continued sprawl of central Ohio. 

18 minutes ago, CMHOhio said:

 

Glad to hear that the official announcement does indeed put this plant in Ohio. Interesting choice on the new site, being almost equidistant to Columbus, Dayton, and the northeast fringe of Cincinnati. The article mentions the plant going near the junction of I-71 and US-35, putting it right around the Jeffersonville Outlet Mall. Should make the commute between Columbus and Cincinnati a bit more interesting!

Thought it was going to be more toward Wilmington so I was off by about 10-15 miles. I think it is a good site and makes sense to be there given Honda's other infrastructure in the area.

50 minutes ago, CMHOhio said:

 

Glad to hear that the official announcement does indeed put this plant in Ohio. Interesting choice on the new site, being almost equidistant to Columbus, Dayton, and the northeast fringe of Cincinnati. The article mentions the plant going near the junction of I-71 and US-35, putting it right around the Jeffersonville Outlet Mall. Should make the commute between Columbus and Cincinnati a bit more interesting!

Yeah even though a lot of people on here, hate to hear it, time to add the third lane on 71 between Columbus and Cincinnati. Invest in the existing infrastructure, so we can continue to land larger business developments..

I'm assuming this is the "Fayette County Megasite" that the state has been investing in for more than a decade. The sunset Job Ready Sites (JRS) program paid for land options for years. The JRS program itself was in part created because of Honda locating in Greensburg, Indiana. 

20 minutes ago, savadams13 said:

Yeah even though a lot of people on here, hate to hear it, time to add the third lane on 71 between Columbus and Cincinnati. Invest in the existing infrastructure, so we can continue to land larger business developments..

 

A third lane is desperately needed. The drive from Columbus to Cleveland is so much smoother than Columbus to Cincinnati because of the third lane. The drive from Columbus to Cincinnati could probably be reduced by about 10-15 minutes if a third lane was added due to the amount of time you currently spend stuck between two semis driving side by side at about 60 mph. 

37 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

A third lane is desperately needed. The drive from Columbus to Cleveland is so much smoother than Columbus to Cincinnati because of the third lane. The drive from Columbus to Cincinnati could probably be reduced by about 10-15 minutes if a third lane was added due to the amount of time you currently spend stuck between two semis driving side by side at about 60 mph. 

At least someone else sees it the same. I swear i have been burned at the stake by making my opinion about a third lane between the two cities, similar to what Cleveland and Columbus has now. 

^Regardless of opinions or best practices, it seems that ODOT is working towards that vision. The major reconstruction of I-71 in ODOT District 6 has included an additional lane in each section and the new Jeremiah Morrow Bridge was built to accommodate a third lane in each direction. It will be done in segments over a couple decades, more than likely.

On 6/13/2022 at 11:56 AM, GCrites80s said:

I'll throw a little nugget out there -- med school should be free. What costs more to run, a med school or one elementary school? Before you say med school, think about the number of students at a med school versus an elementary. 

What do you suppose the difference in pay is for med school professors compared to elementary school teachers?  (Or even college education professors?)

17 minutes ago, ink said:

^Regardless of opinions or best practices, it seems that ODOT is working towards that vision. The major reconstruction of I-71 in ODOT District 6 has included an additional lane in each section and the new Jeremiah Morrow Bridge was built to accommodate a third lane in each direction. It will be done in segments over a couple decades, more than likely.

Adding passenger rail between Columbus and Cleveland also would take cars off the road and make the drive a little easier.  Definitely something that should be added to the transportation options.

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3 hours ago, CMHOhio said:

being almost equidistant to Columbus, Dayton, and the northeast fringe of Cincinnati.

It would be awesome if we could someday have fully developed area within this triangle.

40 minutes ago, Foraker said:

What do you suppose the difference in pay is for med school professors compared to elementary school teachers?  (Or even college education professors?)

 

But how many professors are at a med school as compared to teachers at an elementary? 

52 minutes ago, Foraker said:

Adding passenger rail between Columbus and Cleveland also would take cars off the road and make the drive a little easier.  Definitely something that should be added to the transportation options.

Glad someone said it. Any type of addition to 71 should add space for a future rail. 

Or to the southeast along I-71. My guess is the Wilmington area. If I was responsible for the decision at Honda I’d choose right at the intersection of I-71 and US 68, because US 68 is pretty easy to navigate up to the Honda plants (barring all of the screwball backroads to cut over north of Urbana, but the truck route on US 36 is an easy drive). And Greensburg is easy to get to as well from there. Land is cheap, labor is more available because Amazon decided to not build their hub there, and Wilmington Airpark is a perfect airport to have to bring in rush parts when needed to make production. Also they seem to like to locate right between major cities, and that site puts them in a good spot between Cincy, Columbus and Dayton. So that’s my two cents ahead of any official announcement, let’s see if it ages like milk. Hope this happens!


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This did not age like milk. I almost had it! Happy Honda is bringing the plant to Ohio, if they chose the “Fayetteville County Mega Site” it’s a spot with good infrastructure for sure!


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Michigan governor--and probably others less publicly---are trying to capitalize on the backwardness and crazy blind  religiousness of Ohio and she has put an abortion rights bill on the ballot this November which intends to "steal jobs and headquarters" from Indiana and Ohio capitalizing on our far right leanings. Saying I'm from Ohio has become so horrendously embarrassing and our backwards legislature is going to kill the states economy and other states are just ready to pounce. Here's today's Today in Ohio podcast from the Plain Dealer:  

 

 

 

 

I always picture the companies saying "Sure Ohio, send me some literature. We'll look into it." Then the literature arrives in the mail all water stained like a lot of our mail gets by the time it gets in the house. Then the companies are like, "Nope!"

I'm reluctant to post this because I fear it will start a "my metro is better than yours" debate. But it's interesting to see how close the growth in multi-family, office and industrial markets are in each of the 3Cs. Columbus leads in 2/3 markets, Cincinnati leads in 1/3, Cleveland leads in none but is in second place in all three. 

 

 

51 minutes ago, KJP said:

I'm reluctant to post this because I fear it will start a "my metro is better than yours" debate. But it's interesting to see how close the growth in multi-family, office and industrial markets are in each of the 3Cs. Columbus leads in 2/3 markets, Cincinnati leads in 1/3, Cleveland leads in none but is in second place in all three. 

 

 

 

I wouldn't worry about it.  This website is full of smart people that know that city-vs-city flamewars result in suspensions.

In important news...

 

Wawa announces plans to open stores in Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana

 

A popular convenience store chain to the east and south is coming to the Tri-State region.

 

Wawa said it's setting its sights on Ohio, Indiana and Kentucky to launch stores sometime after 2025.

 

Specific locations are set to be announced sometime next year.

 

"At Wawa, growth means strengthening our existing markets as well as expanding to both adjacent and new markets so we can reach new friends and neighbors and welcome them as part of our extended family," Wawa President and CEO Chris Gheysens said in a statement. "These markets are the perfect places for Wawa to expand based on their strong business communities, their family-like atmosphere, and the confidence that our unique offer and amazing associates will be welcomed by these communities. We look forward to bringing our freshly prepared food, specialty beverages, fuel, and convenience services to these new areas all while creating new jobs and meaningful community support."

 

More below:

https://www.wlwt.com/article/wawa-opening-stores-in-ohio-kentucky-indiana/42178963

 

Yee-haw!

2.5'ish years for a Wawa? Are they trying to unlock the secrets of the universe before?

Bea.gov just released county gdp numbers. 
 

Over last ten years or so Franklin, unsurprisingly has outpaced the counties posted below. With the other 3 very much having the same growth.

Allegheny hit hardest from covid.

 Cuyahoga had gained on Franklin from 2017-2019 and then 2020 was unkind.

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On 10/11/2022 at 12:12 PM, savadams13 said:

At least someone else sees it the same. I swear i have been burned at the stake by making my opinion about a third lane between the two cities, similar to what Cleveland and Columbus has now. 

Agreed…how could anyone argue that a third lane would be bad?

As someone who has made the drive from CBus to Cle a million times over the last 30 years it’s night and day with the third lane.

On 10/11/2022 at 1:51 PM, ink said:

^Regardless of opinions or best practices, it seems that ODOT is working towards that vision. The major reconstruction of I-71 in ODOT District 6 has included an additional lane in each section and the new Jeremiah Morrow Bridge was built to accommodate a third lane in each direction. It will be done in segments over a couple decades, more than likely.

The third lane goes to the Franklin County line as of this year. Next year they're starting on something that doesn't really make sense to me. They're going to three lanes in the 3.2 miles 71 crosses through Pickaway County between Franklin and Madison counties. Then for some reason they're skipping a 2.1 mile section, but starting back up to add three lanes for five more miles almost to SR 323.

 

From there it's another 9.7 miles to where it's three lanes for 9.4 miles through Jeffersonville. Then it's 33 miles to SR 48 where it turns to three lanes through Cincinnati. I'm not aware of any plans for these two sections (or the 2.1 mile gap), but the Honda factory may change that. 

4 hours ago, BigMacky said:

Agreed…how could anyone argue that a third lane would be bad?

As someone who has made the drive from CBus to Cle a million times over the last 30 years it’s night and day with the third lane.

 

Because it's not just, would a third lane be convenient? It's what is the ROI and opportunity cost of spending money on this improvement? What else could that money be spent on and would it generate a larger return? And what are the negative externalities associated with widening the highway? It's more complex than just, would I personally like it?