On the other hand, I wouldn't underestimate the importance of the Reds/Bengals to creating a unified regional identity. I swear that there were more Dayton folks at those games sometimes that actually Cincinnatians.

 

I wouldn't overestimate it, either.  From my four years going to school in the area, I'd say Dayton is solidly Reds Country, but I think there is a pretty sizable split between Bengals fans and fans of the Browns and even Steelers and Colts.

 

Also, one thing I find interesting, though probably irrelevant, is the amount of disdain that I see from Cincinnatians towards Dayton.  I post on another message board, pertaining to high school sports in Ohio, and it's shocking just how much vitriol the Cincinnati posters there lob towards Dayton.

Also the most of the Catholic schools in the greater Ohio part of the region play in the same sports league (the GCL) and there is plenty of competition between the high schools in the area. These are the kind of connections that make Cin/Day different than even Toledo/Detroit - not sure of Youngstown/Cleveland/Pittsburgh.

 

Cleveland and Youngstown?  A little bit here and there between the bigger schools, but in general, not so much.  However there are a lot of leagues that consist of schools in suburban areas of Cleveland/Akron (e.g. North Coast League),  suburban areas of Akron/Canton (e.g. Suburban League), and suburban areas of Canton/Youngstown (e.g. Federal League). 

Football is more complicated because all of Ohio was once Browns country and there are tons of Steelers expats. I'd guess the Bengals craptasticness has sent frontrunners heading toward Indy (that I'd guess some folks w/ Indy family backgrounds might around the colleges of Dayton.

There's some residual Browns loyalty in Dayton.  Ive had coworkers who were Browns fans, native Daytonians.

On the other hand, I wouldn't underestimate the importance of the Reds/Bengals to creating a unified regional identity. I swear that there were more Dayton folks at those games sometimes that actually Cincinnatians.

 

I wouldn't overestimate it, either. From my four years going to school in the area, I'd say Dayton is solidly Reds Country, but I think there is a pretty sizable split between Bengals fans and fans of the Browns and even Steelers and Colts.

 

Also, one thing I find interesting, though probably irrelevant, is the amount of disdain that I see from Cincinnatians towards Dayton. I post on another message board, pertaining to high school sports in Ohio, and it's shocking just how much vitriol the Cincinnati posters there lob towards Dayton.

 

Not shocking for us living in Dayton.  Cincinnatians never cared for Dayton; Dayton doesn't know what to think about Cincinnati aside from Tri-County Mall.  Also, the Bengals still rule Dayton though I'd argue the Browns and Steelers get a sizable split here.  Colts, no so much.

Cincinnatians better get used to Cincinnati-Dayton because they'll be hearing it a lot more.

If Cincinnatians start getting too nasty, just stop letting us use your airport. That should correct any poor behavior.

LOL!

On the other hand, I wouldn't underestimate the importance of the Reds/Bengals to creating a unified regional identity. I swear that there were more Dayton folks at those games sometimes that actually Cincinnatians.

 

I wouldn't overestimate it, either. From my four years going to school in the area, I'd say Dayton is solidly Reds Country, but I think there is a pretty sizable split between Bengals fans and fans of the Browns and even Steelers and Colts.

 

Also, one thing I find interesting, though probably irrelevant, is the amount of disdain that I see from Cincinnatians towards Dayton. I post on another message board, pertaining to high school sports in Ohio, and it's shocking just how much vitriol the Cincinnati posters there lob towards Dayton.

 

Not shocking for us living in Dayton. Cincinnatians never cared for Dayton; Dayton doesn't know what to think about Cincinnati aside from Tri-County Mall. Also, the Bengals still rule Dayton though I'd argue the Browns and Steelers get a sizable split here. Colts, no so much.

 

ColDay, you nailed it.

 

Although many Daytonians like Kenwood, as well.....

Interstate 75 becomes area’s new Main Street

Growth along corridor surges in a slow economy

 

By Jim DeBrosse, Staff Writer  Updated 11:28 PM Saturday, March 20, 2010

 

Want to lose those economic blues? Drive south on Interstate 75 between Dayton and Cincinnati.

 

From the new Austin Pike interchange down to bustling Union Centre in West Chester, the I-75 corridor has seen $1.2 billion in development just in the last two years. Helping fuel that boom is more than $250 million in road improvements.

 

The reasons cited may sound familiar if you’ve ever talked to a real estate agent: location, location, location.

 

more: http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/dayton-news/interstate-75-becomes-areas-new-main-street-611030.html

 

 

Growth churns between cities on I-75 corridor

Development bustles south of Dayton, north of Cincinnati.

 

By Jim DeBrosse, Staff Writer  Updated 11:18 PM Saturday, March 20, 2010

 

LIBERTY TWP., Butler County — When Christine Matacic moved here with her husband in 1981, they settled into a mostly rural bedroom community of corn fields and about 5,000 other residents.

 

Today, it’s a bustling suburb of 35,000 people with a top-rated school district (Lakota), two major hospital satellites (a third on the way) and its own brand-new interchange off Interstate 75, aptly dubbed Liberty Way.

 

Last year alone, 28 new businesses settled into the area just 22 miles north of Cincinnati and 35 miles south of Dayton.

 

more: http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/dayton-news/growth-churns-between-cities-on-i-75-corridor-611028.html

 

 

$22 million interchange at Austin Pike to open in June

 

By Kristin McAllister, Staff Writer  Updated 11:19 PM Saturday, March 20, 2010

 

The $22 million interchange at Interstate 75 and Austin Pike is well ahead of schedule but won’t be open to traffic until mid-June.

 

“It’s six months ahead,” said Bob Hoag, director of engineering of the Montgomery County Transportation Improvement District. “There still are a number of things that need to be completed before we can even allow traffic on it, including for safety reasons.”

 

When it’s completed, the interchange will include sidewalks, bike paths, ornamental concrete medians and noise retention walls. It’s designed to handle 40,000 cars a day, the estimated traffic load by 2015.

 

more: http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/dayton-news/-22-million-interchange-at-austin-pike-to-open-in-june-611013.html

The latest component of Daytonnati continues apace, and is apparenty being pitched as part of a regional office market…

 

Austin Landing likely home to 1M sq.ft. of retail, offices

 

 

Local government officials estimate once the entire 1,200 acres surrounding the interchange are developed, roughly 20,000 people will be working in the area.

 

 

….around the same work population as Union Center, which has generated around 17,000 jobs, according to West Chester Township.  Austin Landing (the NE corner) appears to have a larger and more visible retail component though.

 

 

Montgomery County Commissioner Debbie Lieberman said the proposal maps that she has seen would make the Austin Landing development the premier location for retail and office space in Montgomery County.

 

“This is our stake in the ground on the 75 corridor,” Lieberman said. “This is our shot.”

 

The article also goes on to imply that the development marketed to office tenants in suburban Cincy.

 

The location helps Austin Landing, too, Maas said. Businesses that locate at Austin Landing will be able to pull employees from Cincinnati’s northern suburbs.

 

...so, office users, why locate in congested old Tri-County or Blue Ash or West Shell when the wide open spaces of the suburban frontier beckon at Austin Road...

 

 

 

 

 

"Montgomery County Commissioner Debbie Lieberman said the proposal maps that she has seen would make the Austin Landing development the premier location for retail and office space in Montgomery County."

 

I think that is really sad, and indicative of how people view Dayton on a regional level.  While there is some city-county hate in Hamilton County towards Cincinnati, I think almost everyone knows that Downtown Cincinnati is the premier location for office space in the region.  Blue Ash, Forest Park, and Sharonville/West Chester/Mason have all chipped away at that notion a little, but they are viewed as lesser nodes to the central core, which is bound to happen in any city.  It seems like Downtown Dayton is really becoming an after thought, or a lesser node to southern suburban sprawl.

 

As far as retail, the hub has shifted away from dt Cincy long ago, and is undeniably in Kenwood now.  However retail developments along 71 have kept the city a large player in the retail scene.  Rookwood Commons (although Norwood), Hyde Park Square, and even the decent amount of shopping downtown has formed almost a linear corridor of retail that has kept Cincinnati relevant in those discussions, much more so than sprawl along the 75 corridor.  People from West Chester might not go downtown often, but they are going to Kenwood.

 

  I have been hearing about this merger for so long, and I am getting so excited.

 

Does anyone know when we will hear a confirmed statement of this merger (if infact, it does happen)?

 

I am guessing probably not until close to 2011, but i don't know if i can wait that long. I got ants in my pants and I can't get them out.

I haven't heard anything lately from the local leaders. They could get it done just about anytime now instead of waiting until the 25% commuter threshold is met, where two areas are automaticly combined. It takes a 15% commuter threshold if the local leaders from both Cincinnati and Dayton agree.

Not sure where to put this, but I think it will get the most eyes in this thread...

 

http://www.middletownjournal.com/news/middletown-news/despite-pressure-monroe-wont-back-ohio-63-extension-675948.html

 

Despite pressure, Monroe won’t back Ohio 63 extension

 

Dozens of officials from across Butler County came out in force on Tuesday, April 27, to ask Monroe City Council to reconsider its objection to extending Ohio 63. [poster's note: West to Trenton area]

Despite pleas from county leaders, neighboring communities and one Monroe councilman to support the project they say would benefit the entire region, Monroe council members instead reaffirmed the city’s opposition. .....

Could be coming to Austin Interchange:

 

Kettering Medical Center to build proton therapy center, create 100 jobs

By Ben Sutherly, Staff Writer  2:16 PM Thursday, May 13, 2010

 

KETTERING — Kettering Medical Center said Thursday, May 13, it plans to establish a proton therapy center on either its campus or on 48 acres it owns near the new Interstate 75-Austin Pike interchange.

 

The project, in the works for three years, will involve an investment of up to $80 million and will create up to 100 KMC jobs, officials said during a press conference at Moraine Farm.

 

KMC is working with San Francisco-based American Shared Hospital Services, with whom it worked in bringing Gamma Knife technology to the hospital in 1999.

 

more: http://www.daytondailynews.com/business/kettering-medical-center-to-build-proton-therapy-center-create-100-jobs-704785.html

Motoman moves to Austin Road (maybe).

 

Dayton B-J reports:

 

 

Robot maker Motoman Inc. has cleared a hurdle toward moving its headquarters to the Austin Road interchange.

 

The cities of West Carrollton and Miamisburg have reached an informal revenue sharing agreement in the event that Motoman decides to leave West Carrollton for the Austin Road site, which falls in Miamisburg

 

 

 

 

Just as everyone suspected. The new interchange is moving around jobs and not really creating jobs that were not in the region before hand.

^While perhaps not a result of the new interchange, the Kettering Medical Center is adding 100 jobs that were not in the region previously.  Great news about the KMC, btw. This is the type of job growth we need to continue to foster- technology, centered especially around our great hospitals and universities.

^While perhaps not a result of the new interchange, the Kettering Medical Center is adding 100 jobs that were not in the region previously. Great news about the KMC, btw. This is the type of job growth we need to continue to foster- technology, centered especially around our great hospitals and universities.

 

Disagree.  This is the type of growth we need to stop.

Really? Other than the sprawling placement of the jobs, what is wrong with bringing 100 new high paying medical jobs to the region?

Really? Other than the sprawling placement of the jobs, what is wrong with bringing 100 new high paying medical jobs to the region?

 

Other than the sprawling placement of jobs?  The odious role Montgomery County government has played in sucking tax dollars out of the core and using them to push the "center of gravity" of the "region" farther and farther south.

 

Why won't we ever see an Austin Rd style development off of 75 near downtown Dayton or off of 35 near downtown Dayton?  There's plenty of vacant land, developed and undeveloped.  Do you have any ideas edale?

This sums up my opinion rather well too: http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/dayton-news/see-the-continuous-flow-intersection-707106.html

Why can't these new interchanges bring in new companies(from Portland, Dallas, Oklahoma city, etc etc) instead of companies that's already located in the region????

Why can't these new interchanges bring in new companies(from Portland, Dallas, Oklahoma city, etc etc) instead of companies that's already located in the region????

Really? Other than the sprawling placement of the jobs, what is wrong with bringing 100 new high paying medical jobs to the region?

 

Other than the sprawling placement of jobs? The odious role Montgomery County government has played in sucking tax dollars out of the core and using them to push the "center of gravity" of the "region" farther and farther south.

 

Why won't we ever see an Austin Rd style development off of 75 near downtown Dayton or off of 35 near downtown Dayton? There's plenty of vacant land, developed and undeveloped. Do you have any ideas edale?

 

Where is the KMC currently? The article said it would be building the center either on the campus of the KMC or on property they owned near the new interchange, so I assumed the KMC must be close to Austin Road.  Personally, I think adding jobs to a metro that desperately needs new job creation is a good thing, no matter where they are.  I agree that it would be nice to see new jobs in the urban core of Dayton, but surely these 100 new jobs are better than nothing. 

 

If 100 new jobs come to Mason, I see it as a plus for Cincinnati even though I would much rather see the jobs be downtown.  Those people and their families will still presumably go to restaurants and bars, sports games, museums, etc. all in the city, and hell, they might even live there too.  Jobs come first when trying to redevelop a region.

KMC is in Kettering.  Five miles on city streets to downtown Dayton.  Austin Rd. Interchange is 11 miles on the I-75 to downtown.

 

If you are a sprawl supporter, I could see how the "jobs" argument adds up.  But if you believe there are differences between urban and rural, you cannot support this "donut" style development paradigm.  Place matters. 

 

Dayton and Cincinnati need to team up and develop the one of the largest Urban Growth Boundaries in the country.

If you are a sprawl supporter, I could see how the "jobs" argument adds up. But if you believe there are differences between urban and rural, you cannot support this "donut" style development paradigm. Place matters.

I don't think you need to be a sprawl supporter; you could just have a regionalist disposition, looking at competition on a broader scale. Better the new jobs go to Austin Rd. than to Kalamazoo or Kyoto.

Some would say they would take any kind of development these days as long as it creates jobs. Sprawl or otherwise.

If you are a sprawl supporter, I could see how the "jobs" argument adds up. But if you believe there are differences between urban and rural, you cannot support this "donut" style development paradigm. Place matters.

I don't think you need to be a sprawl supporter; you could just have a regionalist disposition, looking at competition on a broader scale. Better the new jobs go to Austin Rd. than to Kalamazoo or Kyoto.

 

Proton therapy in Kalamazoo or Kyoto instead of Kettering?  C'mon, this regionalist disposition is all good but what makes our region strong anyway?  A rotting urban core with subsidized sprawl?  I'm not against Austin Rd per se, but it was billed as attracting new development.  So far, it's just sniping from the older burbs.  Much like Research Park did to downtown. 

 

More wasted time/effort/money from the county gov't to subsidize rural sprawl.  JOBS JOBS JOBS...please.

I'm not really sure Dayton has the luxary of being picky when it comes to where new jobs are being added in the region.  Downtown Dayton is pretty bleak right now, and I'm not sure if a medical facility is really a good fit for a CBD anyways.  I'm definitely not a sprawl supporter, but I am a supporter of regionalism.  More jobs means more people are living and spending money in the region. 

 

As much as it's easy to hate on sprawled cities like Phoenix, Atlanta, and all the Texas cities, they are growing and prospering while Ohio continues to decline.  I would have much rather NCR build a new facility on Austin Rd than move to Atlanta.  I'm not sure Dayton will ever be able to rebound to what it was, and new growth and job creation in the metro area is a sign of life, which Dayton could definitely use more of (note I said growth, not just shuffling jobs which is not productive for anyone).  Besides, what if just 20 of these new 100 employees move to the city of Dayton...20 new residents that otherwise wouldn't be there.  Every little bit counts in this economy and in the Dayton metro area.

On the recent discussion of KMC and their proposed new photon thearapy cancer treatment center....

 

Where it's located is one discussion (Kettering or Austin Interchange), but what it is kinda bothers me.  Not so much that we are bringing in new medical procedure equipment (although I agree with the arguement that, unfortunatley, supply drives demand when it comes to medical equipment), but that in most cases, medical establishments are not a true value-added economic engine for a region.  It basically is taking money that would go elsewhere.  Much like relocating companies from one suburb to another.

 

I'm not talking about the medical research industry, or the medical equipment manufacturing industry.  Those industries often produce products that are sold outside the region and there-for bring money into the region.  But medical treatment facilities, while employing a number of people (many, but not all, are well paid), mostly serve the needs of the local community.  People end up spending money (directly or indirectly) on medical treatments and that is money they are not spending on other local items. 

 

Reparing and patching up human bodies is a lot like reparing and patching up cars.  No one gets overly excited when an couple new autobody shops open.  They don't see that as a sign of a vibrant local economy.  Autobody shops basically take money from people to restore something to the same condition it was before.  Not exactly value-adding.

 

Yes, medical treatment centers are different than autobody shops, but in a sense, they are both drains on the value-adding activities of a region.

 

And yet, every local politition cries "medical will save us!"

 

Sorry to kick a city when it's down but they should go after Detroit's companies and move them to the region.

Austin Road interchange is open.  So is the partial continuous flow interchange at Springboro Pike and Austin Boulevard.  A summary of the opening and related developments can be found here

 

Though there's been discussion on the sprawl aspect, the bright side is that the urban delights of central Cincinnati are just that much closer (in time) to south Montgomery County, since this interchange will reduce travel time to downtown Cincy & vicinity.

At the Dayton-Business Journal panel discussion & Q/A on Austin Blvd on Tuesday it was said that someone needs to take leadership to start marketing the Cincinnati-Dayton region as a whole, since this will be one of the largest MSAs in the country, exceeding Minneapolis/St Paul in population (which means one of the largest in the Midwest after Chicago and Detroit). 

 

That people are thinking small when it comes to regionalism.

 

Also, Austin Road is in direct competition with Middletown, Union Center, Tylersville Road/Liberty, etc areas for firms wanting to expand into a central location, firms from both the Cincy and Dayton areas, but is late to this game. 

 

There where a few mentions of the "Liberty" development, presumably in Liberty Township?  Anyone have any intel on proposals near I-75 in this area?  I know they just opened that new exit integrated into the expressway interchange to Hamilton...could that be what's being mentioned?

 

 

 

 

"There where a few mentions of the "Liberty" development, presumably in Liberty Township?  Anyone have any intel on proposals near I-75 in this area?  I know they just opened that new exit integrated into the expressway interchange to Hamilton...could that be what's being mentioned? "

 

I follow this to some degree from the vantage of surfing the internet (in other words, no recent contact with officials).

 

I am unaware of any specific proposals in the new Liberty Way interchange around st129.  There was a published chart on one of the county websites about possible development plans, but I can't find it now (I posted it here some months ago, but can't find that either at the moment).

 

What I remember is this..

 

To the SouthWest of the I-75 - SR129 interchange was planned the new Liberty Town center, aka Bevercreek's "Green" south.  The interchange was configured to accommodate it.  However, that project was shelved due to economic conditions.

 

The plan I saw called for offices to the east of I-75 in the vacinity of the interchange. The office space would extend over to Cox road.  The infrastructure of the whole region was upgraded recently to accommodate lots of office workers. 

 

The longer-term plan is to extend Cox road north to SR 63 in Monroe.  (for those of you not familiar with the area, Cox road runs north-south, basically parralllel to I-75, about 1/2 mile east of the interstate.)  I think the various planers are envisioning having I-75 flanked on either side by Cincinnati-Dayton Road (on the west) and Cox rorad (on the east) and infilling the area with commercial property.  Both Cin-Day and Cox would be upgraded to 4 lane divided highways.

 

There are challenges in that long-term vision, but they have it firmly in mind as they work on the various pieces.  Franklin is a obvious problem for the vision of the 4-lane divided highways reaching all the way to Austin road.

 

I am not aware of any specific planned commercial construction at the moment in the Liberty Township interchange area.  There are now signs advertising commercial land available at the interchange. 

 

I can see where the Austin Road interchange will be competing directly with the various interchanges to the south (Liberty, Tylersville Rd, Monroe, Union Center, Middletown, etc.)  and I would not be surprised to see one or 2 more interchanges created over the next decade, so that would present more competition.  And if SR 63 gets widened both east and west of Monroe, that could create more competition as well.

 

At the Dayton-Business Journal panel discussion & Q/A on Austin Blvd on Tuesday it was said that someone needs to take leadership to start marketing the Cincinnati-Dayton region as a whole, since this will be one of the largest MSAs in the country, exceeding Minneapolis/St Paul in population (which means one of the largest in the Midwest after Chicago and Detroit).

 

That people are thinking small when it comes to regionalism.

 

 

Huge options as Dayton/Cinci regions merge

New Austin Blvd. exit will draw more jobs

Friday, July 16, 2010

Dayton Business Journal - by Joe Cogliano DBJ Staff Reporter

 

As Dayton and Cincinnati grow together into a ‘super metro’ region, officials need to work together to plan growth, said area business and government officials.

 

If combined in the next census as many people expect, the region would become a top 15 metropolitan statistical area in the nation.

 

“Someone needs to start the conversation with Cincinnati about how are we jointly going to move into the future,” said Greg Sample, president and chief operating officer of RG Properties. “We’ve got the infill development on I-75, but here’s no strategic plan for how we’re going to market the region.”

 

Read more: http://dayton.bizjournals.com/dayton/stories/2010/07/19/focus1.html

From http://blog.cartophilia.com/2010/02/cindaynati.html

It would be interesting seeing Cincinnati/Dayton in sports headlines like you see San Francisco/Oakland Or Dallas/Ft Worth.

From http://blog.cartophilia.com/2010/02/cindaynati.html

 

That map leaves out NoKY.  One thing I have noticed when you drive all the way through on I-75 is that you are in an urbanized/built up setting from ~MM 171 in KY to ~MM 60 in OH.  That's like 80 miles!

Decline in factory jobs ‘real killer’ for region

By Cornelius Frolik, Staff Writer 

Updated 11:46 PM Friday, August 20, 2010

 

...

Prior to the 1970s, Dayton’s per-capita income was about 20 percent higher than the national average, said Robert Premus, an economist with Wright State University. Now it is about $5,410 less than the U.S. metropolitan statistical area average, $40,575.

...

Ned Hill, dean of the Maxine Goodman Levin College of Urban Affairs at Cleveland State University, said Dayton is so close to Cincinnati that it should be grouped as one metro, a move that could help both metros.

 

“In the southwestern part of the state, you have a labor market with the technical talent in Dayton, and lots of business talent in Cincinnati, and lots of production talent in Springfield,” he said. “The Balkanization makes you look smaller than you really are.”

 

more: http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/dayton-news/decline-in-factory-jobs-real-killer-for-region-872124.html

 

So will Cin-Day include Springfield?

The 2 CSA's would be combined. Springfield is already in Dayton's CSA. The 2 CSA's  combined has over 3.3 million people.

The 2 CSA's would be combined. Springfield is already in Dayton's CSA. The 2 CSA's  combined has over 3.3 million people.

That makes sense to me.  I don't see any drawbacks to the becoming a big metroplex.

Its a good marketing concept, to push the area as a large urban region.

That map leaves out NoKY.  One thing I have noticed when you drive all the way through on I-75 is that you are in an urbanized/built up setting from ~MM 171 in KY to ~MM 60 in OH.  That's like 80 miles!

 

 

Not sure where these are are but the metro area really starts to pick up around Piqua, then after Troy you really are in exuburbia, with villages like Tipp City becoming the cores for suburban development and a lot of ribbon development along country roads.

 

On the Kentucky side I'm always astounded to see the subdivisions and developement as far south as the I-70/I-75 split (and there might be isolated development beyond that deeper in KY).  This is a bit less evident on US 40, though, since development picks up closer in inside of Boone County.

 

So its sort of a linear developement along the I-75 axis...

 

 

It is needed since Orlando/Daytona is getting more federal Dollars than Cincinnati/Dayton combined separately.

That map leaves out NoKY. One thing I have noticed when you drive all the way through on I-75 is that you are in an urbanized/built up setting from ~MM 171 in KY to ~MM 60 in OH. That's like 80 miles!

 

Not sure where these are are but the metro area really starts to pick up around Piqua, then after Troy you really are in exuburbia, with villages like Tipp City becoming the cores for suburban development and a lot of ribbon development along country roads.

 

On the Kentucky side I'm always astounded to see the subdivisions and developement as far south as the I-70/I-75 split (and there might be isolated development beyond that deeper in KY). This is a bit less evident on US 40, though, since development picks up closer in inside of Boone County.

 

So its sort of a linear developement along the I-75 axis...

 

 

 

Jeffery...some route typos there...I-71 and US 42 is what I'm sure you meant.  To the point we could say Walton-Verona is exurbia and slightly south of the split.

 

When is your next Louisville research post?

When is your next Louisville research post?

 

No more Louisville stuff.

 

Jeffery...some route typos there...I-71 and US 42 is what I'm sure you meant.  To the point we could say Walton-Verona is exurbia and slightly south of the split.

 

Yes, thanks.  I recall seeing a map somewhere showing commuters by Kentucky county to the core counties of the Cincy MSA (Hamiton, Campbell, and Kenton), and noticed this "commuter shed" extends beyond the MSA counties.  So Cincinnati's economic force-field covers a wide area of north-central Kentucky.

 

This influence might go back pretty far.  If anyone here recalls Ed McClanahans humorous novella from back in the 1980s, the Natural Man, it was set in this area (probably a fictionalized Brooksville KY), and Cincinnati plays a role as a distant force or influence (the protaganist..the"natural man" of the title... comes from an ophanage in Cincy).

 

 

 

 

 

  Cincinnati's influence reaches way into southeast Ohio. A small number of commuters drive all the way from Brown County and beyond. The shopping influence is even farther.

 

  When people say that the Cincinnati metro area is expanding, I ask them which boundary they are using. Sure, Warren and Boone counties are gaining population, but the southeast Ohio counties are losing population. While most people say that the trend is moving from the core city to the suburbs, they forget that people are also moving from the country to the suburbs.

Not sure about this source but I thought I'd share:

 

 

Cincinnati-Dayton Merger Could be Boon for Home Prices

By Katie McCaskey Feb 11th 2010 @ 2:00PM

 

Filed Under: Cities

 

The 2010 census may re-classify Cincinnati-Dayton  - another tangle of commercial sprawl grown together - as one urban area. Following in the steps of Minneapolis-St.Paul and Dallas-Ft.Worth, Cincinnati-Dayton could function as one cohesive area. Should the area ready itself for increased economic opportunities and prestige?

 

Aside from debate over what to call the urban merger ("C-D"? "Cinton"? "Daynati"?), it's likely that Interstate 75 would effectively act as its "Main Street." The new classification would combine 19 Cincinnati-Dayton area counties into a combined population of 3 million. It would make Cincinnati-Dayton the 15th highest population center in the country. Currently, Cincinnati-Middleton ranks as 24th and Dayton ranks as 61st most populous.

 

The hyphenate reclassification could raise the economic profile of southwestern Ohio. This, of course, would also have some spillover consequences for local real estate...

 

more: http://www.housingwatch.com/2010/02/11/cincinnati-dayton-merger-could-be-boon-for-home-prices/