^"beeped out"

 

MTV would never have a show about n's and b's, right?

have you seen College Hill?

I thought this was appropriate for this thread.  This is the Facebook status of a (black) girl I went to highschool with:

 

"I guess quite a few Italian Americans are outraged by the Jersey Shore show and calling it offensive. Pshh. That's just ONE show. Now they know I feel about the entire BET network."

 

I thought this was appropriate for this thread.  This is the Facebook status of a (black) girl I went to highschool with:

 

"I guess quite a few Italian Americans are outraged by the Jersey Shore show and calling it offensive. Pshh. That's just ONE show. Now they know I feel about the entire BET network."

 

 

I totally agree with her!

San Diego, California (CNN) -- Don't look now, but Pennsylvania might be the new Mississippi. Some Americans resist any attempt to compare the modern plight of Latino immigrants to the civil rights movement of the 1960s. Likewise, when it comes to race issues, many whites in the Northeast like to think of themselves as morally superior to their counterparts in the South. Both these groups need to brush up on their history -- and pay closer attention to current events.

 

More below:

 

http://www.cnn.com/2009/OPINION/12/18/navarrette.civil.rights.prosecutions.shenandoah/index.html

Talking about race behind closed doors

 

(CNN) -- We're just going to put it out there: Behind closed doors, whites talk differently about blacks. At least that's what two sociologists found after conducting a study of college students across the country. One of the researchers, Joe Feagin, said that's why it comes as no surprise to him that a powerful politician such as Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid would talk about Barack Obama's skin color and use the term "Negro dialect" in what he considered a private conversation.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/01/12/reid.race.lessons/index.html

Talking about race behind closed doors

 

(CNN) -- We're just going to put it out there: Behind closed doors, whites talk differently about blacks. At least that's what two sociologists found after conducting a study of college students across the country. One of the researchers, Joe Feagin, said that's why it comes as no surprise to him that a powerful politician such as Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid would talk about Barack Obama's skin color and use the term "Negro dialect" in what he considered a private conversation.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/01/12/reid.race.lessons/index.html

 

This is nothing people of color dont already know!  ::)

The Harry Reid thing has raised a tangential question in my mind. Is there any non-racist way to label the "Negro dialect" that he was referring to? Forgetting his particular statements for a moment, there is a very real dialect out there, yet I'm having trouble coming up with a casual (i.e., non-linguist's) term for it that doesn't sound racist!

The Harry Reid thing has raised a tangential question in my mind. Is there any non-racist way to label the "Negro dialect" that he was referring to? Forgetting his particular statements for a moment, there is a very real dialect out there, yet I'm having trouble coming up with a casual (i.e., non-linguist's) term for it that doesn't sound racist!

Harry Reid obviously meant "Negro" as derogatory.  That's awful on all sorts of levels and eye-opening for me because I never knew Negro was "bad."  I just thought it went by the wayside after the Civil Rights Era for whatever reason.  If he meant "Negro" as improper/slang language associated with blacks, then I think the right way to describe it without being offensive is ebonics or ghetto-slang.  I'm not sure because 1)I'm white and 2)all my black friends are just as different as all my white friends.  A lot just comes down to diction, accent, style and manner of speech, and personal choice. 

 

I've heard Al Gore and Hilary Clinton (try to) sound a lot "blacker" than I've ever heard Barack Obama.

I thought this was appropriate for this thread. This is the Facebook status of a (black) girl I went to highschool with:

 

"I guess quite a few Italian Americans are outraged by the Jersey Shore show and calling it offensive. Pshh. That's just ONE show. Now they know I feel about the entire BET network."

 

 

I totally agree with her!

Yeah, that's too bad.  It's kinda like MTV and young people I think.  One of my best friends from college is black and when he met people freshmen year who had never known many black people, he would always say "I don't watch BET so don't get any ideas."

To be honest, Jersey Shore reminds me a lot of OU. Drunk trashy behavior is drunk trashy behavior. The main difference is you see less spikey hair in Athens (though girls tan just as much).

 

And I think it's basically a more trashy version of Put-in-Bay (just replace those Jersey kids with Toledoans and Clevelanders).

 

Oh Honey, don't put Cleveland folks in that tackiness!

100% Kryptonian

100% Kryptonian

 

 

Just like Bush.....that joke was a

 

Look at the portait of Tony Blair in the background. Is that real?  It looks like a photo from high school picture day.

Look at the portait of Tony Blair in the background. Is that real? It looks like a photo from high school picture day.

rofl

That's really odd!  Can anyone here imagine having a large framed picture of one of your colleagues on your desk at work?

That's really odd! Can anyone here imagine having a large framed picture of one of your colleagues on your desk at work?

Maybe they were more than colleagues...we're way off topic.

Here is Aaron Renn's "The White City."  I'll put some of the graphs up later for discussion unless someone beats me to it.

That's really odd!  Can anyone here imagine having a large framed picture of one of your colleagues on your desk at work?

 

NO.  Each one of my staff members has a picture of me on their desk. At 2PM each day they bow down to it!  The first Monday of every month they make a financial offering to the my bust, that is displayed at the entry of our floor.  I'm also their background picture.

 

I love my staff.

 

Excuse me BRB...I need to go and beat Thing No. 1 and Thing No. 2, I think they are having fun!  :whip:

Another reason uncle Bush was the best president ever.

Oh hell no.

 

All-American Basketball Alliance -- with only white players -- hopes to start this summer

 

The All-American Basketball Alliance announced in a news release it hopes to start its inaugural season this summer with a 12-team lineup composed only of white, American-born men.

According to the release, only players who are natural-born U.S. citizens with both parents of Caucasian race are eligible to play in the league.

 

Lewis denied racism was behind his move to create the segregated hoops league.

 

Read more at: http://www.cleveland.com/ohio-sports-blog/index.ssf/2010/01/all-american_basketball_league.html

 

 

^What a joke.

The basket will be lowered to 7 feet.

How does the Utah Jazz franchise sign up?

No jump shots allowed, only set shots will be permitted, because we all know.....

and when there's a disagreement between teams or members of a team, its settled over a good old fashioned arm wrestling match or even fist fight.  No firearms will be involved. 

No jump shots allowed, only set shots will be permitted, because we all know.....

 

LMAO!

This leads to one of my stories that MTS loves so well:

 

We had a young black engineer new-hire who played small college basketball in our group.  We were staying at a Residence Inn on a trip to one of our mfg sites and after work one day the 4 of us went out to play some basketball, which evolved into a game of HORSE, which I won!!

 

Now you have to picture this, a short (5'6), fat, out of shape 42 year old against a 6'4 college ball player, 23 years old and in fantastic shape.  We set up some rules, no fancy shots, no dunks obviously, nothing behind the back, etc.  Mostly jump shots.  In his defense, he followed me and had to make my shots, the guys following him were drunk and I never had to make anyone's shot.

 

After the victory, the only course of action was NOT to play again, not that night, or EVER!!  I quit on a high note!  He was only with the company 3-4 years, and made his best efforts to get a rematch, but I never gave in!  It was the stuff of legend! 

What's Horse?

Each player has to make the shot that the previous player made.  If they make it, then the next person has to make it, and so on.  If the player misses, he gets a letter H, than the next time O and so on.  When HORSE is spelled, the player loses.  If there are more than 2 playing, last one standing wins.  I have no idea where the name came from and why they chose HORSE to spell instead of something else!

I learned my something new. Can I go home now?

Essay

Do Not Pass

Toure

 

This may come as a shock to you, especially if you look at whiteness as a boon and blackness as a burden, but I have never once wished to be white. If a fairy godfather came to me and said I could switch races, I’d open the window and make him use it. I think 99 percent of black people would do the same. That’s not a knock on whiteness — it seems to be working out well for many people — it’s that I love blackness, even if passing would allow me to unhook myself from the heavy anchor called racism. It’s cool: I’ve learned how to be as quick as a Br’er Rabbit, even with the anchor attached. Still, you might argue, wouldn’t switching from a disadvantaged race to the dominant one be as liberating as a winning lottery ticket? Well, for those who’ve been able to complete the sociopolitical fantasy trip and become racial transvestites, it usually ends badly.

 

Continues http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/21/books/review/Toure-t.html.

I checked the "pasty" box.

 

Can't seem to increase the size, but the text reads:

 

"My racial preference?  The one who gets up here first!"

Legal counsel and law enforcement are two areas where I can see affirmative action would be beneficial.

Legal counsel and law enforcement are two areas where I can see affirmative action would be beneficial.

 

Why?  Those are two areas where I think merit and ability should be placed above all else.

Well, because in some professions, politics and cultural differences effect the decisions that are made. A black lawyer is probably better suited to defend a black client and they're more than likely going to establish a better relationship. If a black police officer is patrolling in a predominantly black district, they better understand the culture of what's going on around them. Officers are trained to profile, stereotype and execute according to their own judgement and *generally* I think better judgements are made if said officer identifies better with the people they're dealing with. To me, it's a no-brainer. I mean, that's why we have juries; it allows people be judged by the community of peers instead of some distant authoritative figure whose primary concern is justice; not so much empathy or understanding.

 

That's not to say affirmative action isn't flawed. In most industries I think it's probably unnecessary. I'll never know what it's like to be black or latino or asian or even gay but I can imagine that if I got a job simply because of my race, gender or orientation, I would feel like they're undermining my intelligence, merit, potential, etc. by using me to meet some quota. Unless, of course, my job involved issues effected by race or human rights issues - then it makes sense. In other sectors, yeah, it basically appears to be  a degrading form of compassion - at least to me.

 

In Columbus, I believe the quota for minority police officers is like 15%. That really isn't even that high yet they struggle to meet the quota. Sometimes I really don't understand why people make such a big deal about it. 

 

I could probably go on for days about lesser known injuries of a purely merit-based system in such a 'standardized' world but I don't want people to fall asleep at their keyboard. Besides, no system is ever perfect regardless.

Well, because in some professions, politics and cultural differences effect the decisions that are made. A black lawyer is probably better suited to defend a black client and they're more than likely going to establish a better relationship. If a black police officer is patrolling in a predominantly black district, they better understand the culture of what's going on around them. Officers are trained to profile, stereotype and execute according to their own judgement and *generally* I think better judgements are made if said officer identifies better with the people they're dealing with. To me, it's a no-brainer. I mean, that's why we have juries; it allows people be judged by the community of peers instead of some distant authoritative figure whose primary concern is justice; not so much empathy or understanding.

 

That's not to say affirmative action isn't flawed. In most industries I think it's probably unnecessary. I'll never know what it's like to be black or latino or asian or even gay but I can imagine that if I got a job simply because of my race, gender or orientation, I would feel like they're undermining my intelligence, merit, potential, etc. by using me to meet some quota. Unless, of course, my job involved issues effected by race or human rights issues - then it makes sense. In other sectors, yeah, it basically appears to be  a degrading form of compassion - at least to me.

 

In Columbus, I believe the quota for minority police officers is like 15%. That really isn't even that high yet they struggle to meet the quota. Sometimes I really don't understand why people make such a big deal about it. 

 

I could probably go on for days about lesser known injuries of a purely merit-based system in such a 'standardized' world but I don't want people to fall asleep at their keyboard. Besides, no system is ever perfect regardless.

This really offends me.  If I'm ever in the clink and need a good defense attorney, I want the best one no matter the skin color.  Johnny Cochran was the bomb and in your world he isn't suited to defend me as well as a white man because we're not the same race?  Give me a break.

I think it's important to have a police force reflecting the communities served. Otherwise, even absent any discrimination, there can be an appearance of such -- both in hiring policies and enforcement.

 

I think Cincinnati is a good example of this, given the still-recent riots.

 

Has there ever even been a black police chief in Cincy? If not, isn't that kind of weird?

If you don't think steps are being taken to increase diversity in the legal profession you are way, way wrong.

If there hasn't been a black police chief in Cincinnati (maybe there has been?), I place all the blame on the racist Milton Dohoney and racist Mark Mallory.  The dominant political party of the city should also be blamed for such blatant racism.  It couldn't possibly be that the riots weren't justifiable.  Isn't rioting the only answer when you have a government that you think is oppressing you?

If there hasn't been a black police chief in Cincinnati (maybe there has been?), I place all the blame on the racist Milton Dohoney and racist Mark Mallory. The dominant political party of the city should also be blamed for such blatant racism. It couldn't possibly be that the riots weren't justifiable. Isn't rioting the only answer when you have a government that you think is oppressing you?

 

If you're comparing the tea party's complaints to race riots, recall that race riots are touched off not by government "oppressing" anyone but by some specific instance of violence or homicide.  Tax policy disputes do not rise to that level.

Well, because in some professions, politics and cultural differences effect the decisions that are made. A black lawyer is probably better suited to defend a black client and they're more than likely going to establish a better relationship. If a black police officer is patrolling in a predominantly black district, they better understand the culture of what's going on around them. Officers are trained to profile, stereotype and execute according to their own judgement and *generally* I think better judgements are made if said officer identifies better with the people they're dealing with. To me, it's a no-brainer. I mean, that's why we have juries; it allows people be judged by the community of peers instead of some distant authoritative figure whose primary concern is justice; not so much empathy or understanding.

 

That's not to say affirmative action isn't flawed. In most industries I think it's probably unnecessary. I'll never know what it's like to be black or latino or asian or even gay but I can imagine that if I got a job simply because of my race, gender or orientation, I would feel like they're undermining my intelligence, merit, potential, etc. by using me to meet some quota. Unless, of course, my job involved issues effected by race or human rights issues - then it makes sense. In other sectors, yeah, it basically appears to be  a degrading form of compassion - at least to me.

 

In Columbus, I believe the quota for minority police officers is like 15%. That really isn't even that high yet they struggle to meet the quota. Sometimes I really don't understand why people make such a big deal about it. 

 

I could probably go on for days about lesser known injuries of a purely merit-based system in such a 'standardized' world but I don't want people to fall asleep at their keyboard. Besides, no system is ever perfect regardless.

This really offends me.  If I'm ever in the clink and need a good defense attorney, I want the best one no matter the skin color.  Johnny Cochran was the bomb and in your world he isn't suited to defend me as well as a white man because we're not the same race?  Give me a break.

 

It seriously offends you? This is why I don't like debating about stuff involving race.

 

I'm not saying that Cochran wouldn't be suited to defend you; a damn good lawyer is always going to be valuable and sought after. 99% of us couldn't afford Cochran anyway, so your point is moot. It offends ME that you would undermine my intelligence by assuming I think race should be the end-all-be-all when seeking representation. Come on, we all know the world isn't so black and white.

 

What I am suggesting is that in many cases, someone would be better at defending a client that they identify with. I'm not just speaking on race, specifically. If a woman is filing a suit for sexual harrassment in the work place, wouldn't it be fair to assume that she's probably better off - or more comfortable with - being represented by a female?

^ I suspect that a lot of criminal defendants make the mistake of hiring a lawyer who they can relate to (the smooth talking salesman) instead of a lawyer who the judge and jury can relate to.  Sometimes that lawyer will be white and other times that lawyer will be black.  Sometimes a woman.  Sometimes a grandpa looking lawyer with professor-esque patches sewn on his jacket.  It all depends on the situation - what you are charged with, where you are charged, and whether you are just trying to get the best deal possible or are planning to demand a full-blown trial.

 

Isn't rioting the only answer when you have a government that you think is oppressing you?

 

No

jackie Childs is the lawyer for me!

Edit: Nevermind.

 

Isn't rioting the only answer when you have a government that you think is oppressing you?

 

 

 

Isn't rioting the only answer when you have a government that you think is oppressing you?

^Hilarious David.

 

Isn't rioting the only answer when you have a government that you think is oppressing you?

No

 

I thought the sarcasm dripping from the phrase "Isn't rioting the only answer" would be picked up by everyone.

 

To clarify, that was sarcasm.

^ Hard to tell these days with the whole Don't Tread on Me and We Came Unarmed This Time themes going around.  Thanks for the clarification.

^ Hard to tell these days with the whole Don't Tread on Me and We Came Unarmed This Time themes going around. Thanks for the clarification.

Probably for the Second Amendment thread, but wasn't the purpose of the right to bear arms to allow citizens the freedom to protect (with force) their life/liberty/property/rights from those who sought to usurp them? Just sayin'

Back in the mid-1700's, sure.