"Thanks for the dig deep explanation, clearly, I did not know that, and appreciate the lesson."

 

You're welcome and I apologize if I'm heavy-handed, but it's something I've had to explain so so so many times over the years. Please - tell your friends :-)

MayDay, I don't think you are heavy-handed, I appreciate when the "learned" try to teach me something.

 

Having said that, don't discount what a non-learned person can bring to the table.  I travel way too much (and as a consequence see too many things) to think that things can only be done one way...my experiences tell me otherwise.  So, when you guys tell me about your statistics or "learned" things I have no choice but to compare it to what I have seen in other places.  If the "learned facts" don't jive with what my eyes show me then I have to call everyone on it.

 

Like I have said before, there is no way that "market demographics" <u><i>alone</i></u> told the Stonebridge developers, Marous or Zaremba that their projects where worthwhile.

 

And I'm sure they are not telling Stark that Pesht is also worthwhile...yet somehow they make it happen.

 

Here's to the crazy ones!

Pope: Tell me exactly where the residential, officeworkers or tourists are in Milwaukee?  Stamford, has desirable demo's outside of the city, but subjectively speaking it seems that in both residential or officeworkers they trail Cleveland by too much to justify both a department store and a Target...plus both those cities suck when compared to Cleveland.

 

 

1) Please refrain from "they suck arguments"

2) MKE's downtown population stood at 17k at the 2000 census. Random googling said, 1900 for the 2006 estimate, and projected at 21,600 for 2010.

3) I only found numbers for 2000 cleveland, putting it at 9600

4) So cleveland, grow to twice the size.

 

"Downtown Data." Downtown Milwaukee. 24 Nov. 2006 <http://www.milwaukeedowntown.com/data/>.

 

and that brookings report dealie

not to mention what they did in the dump that is Midtown Miami...

 

True. However Target at Steelyard Commons is about the same distance from Downtown Cleveland as the new Midtown Miami store is from Downtown Miami.  Neither are “downtown.”

 

As a well traveled person and a South Florida resident for the past 17 years, I too know the possibilities.  Don’t sell Cleveland short just yet! I have found that most Clevelanders on this forum are "realists" and that is not necessarily a bad thing. 

 

Anyway, back on topic. I’m optimistic that Pesht will fill the retail void that exists in Downtown Cleveland.

1. Looks like I hit a nerve there, I apologize, next time I'll just use words like ghetto and Sh*t instead which seem to not create as much of an uproar.

 

2. I would definitely agree with the 1900 figure and would have to call BS on any number higher than that.  Unless these numbers count the entire population of Marquette University as residents and even then, that would be pushing it since the school does not feel as if it is in downtown proper.

 

Anyway, you guys keep making my points for me.  It isn't that it can't be done it just seems like it can't be done in Cleveland.  This is so, not because cleveland isn't positioned to do so but because we either don't have the right attitude or the right leadership.  These other cities may not on the surface seem to be as well positioned - see how i avoided the s word there? :-) - as cleveland but their attitude is better and/or their leadership is better.

 

i.e.  Their crazy ones are not sitting back waiting for market demographics or tolerable ranges to tell them what to do.

 

Here's a Stella to Stark, one of our crazy ones.

MyTwoSense: Thanks for letting MayDay know why the tourists (or anyone for that matter) would not like to go to that Macy's...imagine that, Macy's in Miami is worst than Dillard's in Cleveland and yet it is exists...because somehow, somebody is getting greased enough to keep the store there...the pols or executives there, have a "can do" attitude.

 

Bayside???  Bayside is crap!  It isn't any better than Tower City!  So what is your point???

 

Dillards and Macy's have different business models and not one of know what they used to measure where a location is built or remains! 

 

If you can provide that information as to why Macy's choses on location to maintain a store over another I'll be happy to listen.

 

1. Looks like I hit a nerve there, I apologize, next time I'll just use words like ghetto and Sh*t instead which seem to not create as much of an uproar.

 

:roll: :roll:

Florida Boy, agreed on the Miami Target comment, which is why I did not bring it up in my original post on the subject and when I did bring it up I referred to it as midtown and not downtown.

 

Also, I hope you guys don't take my comments as either a putdown of cleveland or of this forum.

 

1. I believe in downtown Cleveland so much that I have owned two condos there.  One which I currently rent out, until I can make it back to my beloved c-town.  Unlike most I look forward to retiring in Cleveland...

 

2. This forum is the best thing to happen to Clevelanders and ex-pats like me.  That is why in other posts I have even volunteered time and $ to help promote it.

 

I have no doubt that Stark with his Pesht and potentially someone in this forum will one day change what Cleveland stands for, I just wish it would happen as quickly as it happens in the places that I visit that in my eyes just don't seem to be as well positioned as Cleveland is.

Florida Boy, agreed on the Miami Target comment, which is why I did not bring it up in my original post on the subject and when I did bring it up I referred to it as midtown and not downtown.

 

Also, I hope you guys don't take my comments as either a putdown of Cleveland or of this forum.

 

1. I believe in downtown Cleveland so much that I have owned two condos there.  One which I currently rent out, until I can make it back to my beloved c-town.  Unlike most I look forward to retiring in Cleveland...

 

2. This forum is the best thing to happen to Clevelanders and ex-pats like me.  That is why in other posts I have even volunteered time and $ to help promote it.

 

I have no doubt that Stark with his Pesht and potentially someone in this forum will one day change what Cleveland stands for, I just wish it would happen as quickly as it happens in the places that I visit that in my eyes just don't seem to be as well positioned as Cleveland is.

 

I probably travel just as much as you, if not more, and "visit" is the keyword!

 

I've been to place where I thought "x" thing works  here, why can't it work in Cleveland.  Then I realised....just because it works here, it might not be right for Cleveland or the way "it" happens in place "x" would do more harm than good in Cleveland.

 

I think a lot of people see "new buildings" as progress regardless to how they relate or serve the neighborhood their in.

 

So what Downtown Miami has a Macy's, the rest of their downtown even with its condo towers pales in comparison to the organic and unique downtown Cleveland has.  Downtown Miami is extremely dangerous and anyone who thinks our Downtown is bad should spend a week in Downtown Miami.

Both times (Macy's and Bayside) you have proclaimed that things in Miami are worst than they are in Cleveland and I concurr with your assessment.  Thus my point is that if things are such crap - is that an allowed word in the forum? - in other places how come they at least have those things and we don't?

 

Because our attitude or leadership is not as good.

 

Stark is facing an uphill battle in changing our attitude and leadership, but i for one am all behind him on this Pesht project.

 

 

 

Added as an edit rather than a new post: I also said that no person but the bums want to be in downtown Miami (so again I concurr with your additional point).

Thus my point is that if things are such crap - is that an allowed word in the forum? - in other places how come they at least have those things and we don't?

 

If someone on this forum could answer that question, don't you think they would, perfect the recipe, mass produce it and sprinkle it all over Cleveland?

My last post on this matter as clearly I have over-extended my welcome:

 

The answer is:

Leadership and Attitude

 

Sprinkle away!

The answer is:

Leadership and Attitude

 

Sprinkle away!

 

It's very hard to over-extend your welcome on this board, so don't worry.  As long as you don't start telling the HBIC he is part of the problem.  :wink:

 

Anyways, the problem is forcing the right attitude on the people, and getting the right leadership in power.  If you have any ideas, I'm sure all of us here would be open to them.

Anyway, you guys keep making my points for me.  It isn't that it can't be done it just seems like it can't be done in Cleveland.  This is so, not because cleveland isn't positioned to do so but because we either don't have the right attitude or the right leadership.  These other cities may not on the surface seem to be as well positioned - see how i avoided the s word there? :-) - as cleveland but their attitude is better and/or their leadership is better.

 

i.e.  Their crazy ones are not sitting back waiting for market demographics or tolerable ranges to tell them what to do.

 

Here's a Stella to Stark, one of our crazy ones.

 

Ragarcia, I couldn't agree with you more on this point.  It's very parallel to urbanlife's point on today's RTA thread; we have too many leaders who are too quick to justify lethargy: no money; bad economy; poor demographics, ... etc, instead of having the balls to think outside of the box and getting things done.  Why did K & G start building what now is a mega/always-sold-out mega complex in a dark corner of the flats (on what was, at the time, the deader side of the Flats) when the more typical developer here would grab property and sit on it until the "... the market gets better"  (read: until they can somehow coerce some pol to give them some sweetheart publicly funded deal).

 

And yes, I'm glad you mentioned it.  Why didn't OfficeMax build downtown here...in its hometown!? (I guess those OfficeMax adds plastered on the Indains' outfield fences in Jacobs Field was the extent of OM's civic responsibility).

 

And yes, you hit on something else: our downtown is actually DOING BETTER than a lot of these towns are building opening this retail.  We have the growing downtown population (and even nearby/accessible downtown populations like Ohio City, Tremont, Edgewater/Lakewood Gold Coast, who could and would avail themselves of such downtown retail).   And we have the mass transit infrastructure, certainly over most Midwestern cities, to move large number of people into town without cars and how, in turn, we can build more dense development at our core.  Our downtown is compact and easy to negotiate on foot…

 

All makes you wonder, and become frustrated as to why we aren’t building retail… And no, this isn’t some pure negative rant.  Fact is, I’m all the more frustrated, like ragarcia perhaps, precisely because we have done so well on many levels.  We have the largest downtown population of any Midwestern city other than you-know-who in Illinois.  And this in addition to our aforementioned advantages.  So yes, why does Cincy have a downtown Saks?  Why a Target, and others, in sprawling, unfocused and transit-challenged Minneapolis-St. Paul?   And yes, I too walked the streets of largely dead Miami just 3 weeks ago, and yet they do have a Marshals and Ross and, yes, a weak Macy’s (weak, but as noted, it does exist).  Don’t call me negative.  Negative is the mindset that constantly makes excuses why it can’t be done here when other towns are finding a way. 

 

We have the growing downtown population (and even nearby/accessible downtown populations like Ohio City, Tremont, Edgewater/Lakewood Gold Coast, who could and would avail themselves of such downtown retail).

 

Agreed, hopefully between these population and University Circle, Pesht (and possibly Wolstein East Bank ??) can add enough residential to really justify some department stores downtown.

 

I think the reason you see department stores in other downtowns which seem to be in a lesser position than Cleveland's comes down to two factors...

 

(1) It's easier to keep a department store than to get a new one and

 

(2) Destination stores can survive even when the downtown population can't support them.

 

Higbees was golden.  When Dillards took over it completely lost its magic touch, at a time when downtown was really struggling.  I think May Company probably fell victim mainly to the hard times which had fallen on Cleveland.  Furthermore, neither Dillards nor the May Company were destination stores like a Saks, Nordstrom, or Nieman Marcus.

 

Once the department stores are gone, it's a lot harder to bring new ones in.  Even though downtown is doing tremendously better now than it was 15-20 years ago, the fact remains that the stores moved out then, and now we have to reach a higher level to draw stores in.  Had the stores survived the tough times of the 80s and 90s, I think that they would be doing farily well right now.

 

Hopefully, this will all be a moot point in another 10 years.

so what department store will be located in pesht, I believe he has atleast one or two luxury goods stores somewhere in the mix.

 

:drunk:

so what department store will be located in pesht, I believe he has atleast one or two luxury goods stores somewhere in the mix.

 

:drunk:

 

Oh lord, here we go again!  Man nothing has been released.  So how can you say you "believe" one or two luxury goods stores have been included?  Why did I even ask?

Just putting in my 2 cents. That Saks in Cincinnati was about to close, but got a 6 million dollar subsidy from the city of Cincinnati to stay. It is also a low performer for them. Nicollet mall in Minneapolis has been there for decades, it survived the downturn of downtowns. Indianapolis built a successful mall, but that mall has the regions only Nordstrom, which is a true destination store for folks in Indy and Cincinnati. I'm not making excuses, because I think some of the stores mentined should be downtown already and doing well.

 

Dillard's closed in early 2002, so we've been without a downtown department store for a little over five years. Since then East Fourth Street has blossomed as have more condo projects and now the announcement of these super transromational mega retail/office/residential projects. Stark and Wolstein both have letters of intent, so its only a matter of time before something is down there. I think those guys certainly have the can do attitude that is neccessary to believe in projects of that magnitude. A lot of people believe in Cleveland and believe it has potential, but they don't control the money, property and politics. I think this place is starting to change, but it won't happen overnight, we just have to be patient.

"That Saks in Cincinnati was about to close, but got a 6 million dollar subsidy from the city of Cincinnati to stay."

 

Thank you. That's one of those "if I have to explain this ONE more time" things. Can you imagine the city of Cleveland giving Saks (or any luxury retailer) 6 million? "Ahh, sorry safety forces, we can't help ya but at least we have Saks downtown!"

 

And as far as Target being in downtown Minneapolis... hmm, let me get back to you on that.

 

 

We have the largest downtown population of any Midwestern city other than you-know-who in Illinois. 

 

We do? Residential or Office Workers? Either way you are wrong.

We have the largest downtown population of any Midwestern city other than you-know-who in Illinois. 

 

We do? Residential or Office Workers? Either way you are wrong.

 

Pope who is larger?  It's not Minniapolis or Detroit. 

 

In regards to office workers, Cleveland has the 8 largerst downtown office population in the. country.

 

In both cases second to Chicago in our (the great lakes) region.

I'm going off of the brookings report for population (remember they use a always changing definition of downtown, not the 1 mile rule or anything like that) (based on 2000 census)

 

Chicago: 72k

Detroit: 36k

Minneapolis: 30k

Indianapolis 18k

Milwaukee: 16k

Cleveland: 9599

 

I'd love for you to find a report detailing downtown office worker populations.

 

And yes I realize people have their issues with the brookings report, but I'm willing to go more with their report than some C-dawg method picking census tracts at random

 

 

 

 

I'm glad you brought that up.

 

As I know for a fact that detroit and minneapolis have areas included in their downtowns that would equivalent to Cleveland including Tremont and/or Goodrich-Kirtland.

 

The information I used was internal information we used when looking at the TW cable and CNN relocations to Cleveland.

the pope,

 

Thanks for the info presented by Brookings.  I can see how someone (retailer, entrepreneur, investor) who is simply going by this report would be fooled into thinking that Cleveland is not as desirable as the cities above it.

 

jam40jeff,

 

Based on this information and the lack of a "true" report of downtown office worker population, one of my ideas, would be to start the "Urban Ohio Report" where we figure out what the "true" population of downtown Cleveland is at different times of the day.

 

For example, our report could detail that at 12:00 on a Monday in July, the population of downtown Cleveland is:

 

175,000 workers

2,300 rental residents

1,200 owner residents

2,800 hotel residents

150 bums in Public Square (and 5 guys serving them soup)

 

Said population has an average of $28 of disposable income at that time/day/month.

 

 

Whereas at 19:00 on the same Monday in July, the population of downtown Cleveland is:

 

45,000 workers

7,300 rental residents

2,200 owner residents

7,800 hotel residents

150 bums in Public Square (of course the 5 guys are gone by now...wouldn't be caught dead there without their soup)

 

Said population has an average of $96 of disposable income at that time/day/month.

 

1. Obviously the numbers above are made up in order to highlight the idea

2. This would entail a lot of work and in many cases a lot of estimation (is that even a word?)

 

Yet, if it can be done and then broadcast to these stakeholders (investors, entrepreneurs, retailers) it would be one way to counteract how downtown is perceived.

 

Just one idea, I could come up with many more, such as expanding Urban Ohio into a magazine (or flyer) that gets distributed to downtown Cleveland stakeholders...all of them require a leader and a positive attitude (plus time and money) to make them happen.

 

Since I am not in Cleveland I can't take the lead on any of these, but I can certainly provide some time, money and positive attitude.

 

 

 

 

I would be surprised if Detroit wasn't at least higher than ours, no? Their overall city population is around 1 mil people. I would think their downtown would have a higher population, then?

Not neccessarily.

Pope, I am suspicious of the numbers you quote for downtown residential populations.  I have learned from other threads on this board that those who compile these stats often expand or contract what should actually be considered "downtown".  I recall a lively thread comparing Cincy to Indianapolis and a discuss as to how many people lived in their respective downtowns.  The Cincinnati contingent was livid because the geographical area assigned downtown Cincy was relatively small while the Indy footprint was so expansive it was including neighborhoods that were not necessarily "downtown".  They made the point that if the Cincy geographical area was expanded in that manner the population would have increased significantly and would have included close in neighborhoods live Mount Adams.

 

As far as retail is concerned...I have suggested this countless time on this board (and have given detailed examples)....Downtown retail in ALL American cities, especially those of size of Cleveland (and even bigger) is a challenge.  It has nothing to do with a can do "attitude" or "leadership".  It has everything to do with market forces.

Htsguy,

 

Did the market forces tell K&D (not K&G :whip: as originally stated), Zaremba, Marous and Stark that their projects were going to be successful or was there a lot of positive attitude and leadership involved?

 

If you think market forces are the only thing driving those projects (in Cleveland or in ALL American cities)...then we need to work together to be a market force of our own.

 

 

"Urban Ohio Report" where we figure out what the "true" population of downtown Cleveland is at different times of the day

 

Not a half bad idea, if someone could actually figure out a methodology for accurately defining downtown and estimating these figures somehow.

 

expanding Urban Ohio into a magazine (or flyer) that gets distributed to downtown Cleveland

 

I actually really like this idea as well.  Of course, it would require finding someone to finance it, but it would probably be about the best thing that Urban Ohio could do to "get the word out" beyond this website.  it could also, of course, contain the "Urban Ohio Report."

It's K&D :-)

 

Folks, while the idea of a report/newsletter is good (cue the "can't do"/Debbie Downer music), it would be redundant with the City Living and Downtown Digs efforts that are already out there. Another problem is that this site isn't just about Cleveland :-)

^ Fair points (also, notice I corrected the name of K&D).

 

Who is in charge at City Living and Downtown Digs?  Maybe we can partner up with them or -shudder- go our separate ways on that one?

 

By the way, why is it so hard for people to define a "downtown"?  I have always struggled as to whether CSU is part of downtown or not, but otherwise it is clear to me that "downtown" extends to the river on the west, lake in the north, Chester in the south and CSU (or Playhouse Square) on the east.

Market forces=Most Americans no longer (unlike when I was a kid)  shop downtown but in the suburbs where they live.  Columbus...dead City Center mall (read the thread).  Pittsburgh...lost two department stores downtown in the last three years...Detroit...no downtown department store for years.  Baltimore...no downtown department store...I can give you many more examples.  Even a city like LA has morbid downtown shopping for a city its size.  There are many solid downtown shopping districts (Chicago, Boston, Seattle to name a few...downtown DC with its huge day time population and expanding residential base is "finally" recovering) but they have certain resources that Cleveland does not have and never will.

 

Good bless Stark and Wolstein and others but I have consistently questioned the retail components of their projects.  They obviously know something I do not since they are spending (hopefully...still have not seen any details regarding Phest) big bucks and I certainly hope they are right.  I am and always have been a big support of downtown retail to the point that I would skip going to the same store closer to my home to buy an item downtown or in an urban setting.

By the way, the statistic about downtown Cleveland is that Cleveland has the fastest growing downtown population percentage-wise in the Midwest. Chicago's is growing faster in total numbers, however.

 

See:

http://www.brook.edu/es/urban/TOP21FIN.PDF

Chester in the south

 

Do you mean Carnegie?

The current official Downtown Cleveland boundaries:

Sorry, yes, meant Carnegie.

 

Htsguy,

 

Thank you for the lesson on market forces, everything you state about retail in those cities is a fact and I applaud your research in the matter.  I also applaud your efforts to support downtown retail.

 

My only dissapointment in your comments is the "never will" remark.

 

That is exactly what I'm talking about when I refer to leadership and attitude.  A leader does not accept a "never will" and moves against the current.  With a positive attitude that "never will" becomes a "maybe we can" to a "we did that, now what do we do next."

 

Is it too much to ask to start thinking more like "maybe we can" instead of "never will?"

 

I tell you, when I bought my first condo in the Warehouse District everyone looked at me cross-eyed.  They said you paid $107K (with a $2,000 carpet/paint credit) for a one-bedroom loft in the Grand Arcade?  You idiot, you "never will" recoup that investment let alone make money of it.  Also, why would you even do that, you can buy a three-bedroom condo on Van Aken in the great suburb of Shaker Heights for less than 80K?  Guess what?  Three years later I sold that loft for $125K while that condo in Shaker was still going for the same under 80K price...

 

If I can give all you guys a piece of advice is this: if you plan on staying in the Cleveland area, sell your dog, your car, your kids :lol:, do anything you need to do so that you can afford the mortgage and buy residential in downtown Cleveland.  It may never make you ultra-rich, but it certainly will pay for itself in spades (monetarily and psychologically).

 

If you can buy near Stark's Pesht, then all the better, 'cause this project combined with what is already going on in the warehouse district is bound to be spectacular.

 

The current official Downtown Cleveland boundaries:

 

That's crazy...the downtown Y isn't really downtown? ???

so what department store will be located in pesht, I believe he has atleast one or two luxury goods stores somewhere in the mix.

 

:drunk:

 

Oh lord, here we go again!  Man nothing has been released.  So how can you say you "believe" one or two luxury goods stores have been included?  Why did I even ask?

 

First there is alot of retail space there,and second of all there alot of high paying jobs downtown.Hell my girlfriends lawyer makes three hundred dollars an hour.

Looks like Stonebridge isn't included either in the downtown numbers.

Their overall city population is around 1 mil people. I would think their downtown would have a higher population, then?

 

Its about ~810k

Market forces=Most Americans no longer (unlike when I was a kid)  shop downtown but in the suburbs where they live.  Columbus...dead City Center mall (read the thread).  Pittsburgh...lost two department stores downtown in the last three years...Detroit...no downtown department store for years.  Baltimore...no downtown department store...I can give you many more examples.  Even a city like LA has morbid downtown shopping for a city its size.  There are many solid downtown shopping districts (Chicago, Boston, Seattle to name a few...downtown DC with its huge day time population and expanding residential base is "finally" recovering) but they have certain resources that Cleveland does not have and never will.

 

 

Never will?  Come on man? You can't possibly predict the future!

 

DC's city shopping is morbid as well as there Macy's (formely hechts) might be closing as the Pentagon City, Georgetown or the Mazza Gallerie/Chevy Chase Pavillion (Think Beachwood Mall/Legacy Village)

 

If I can give all you guys a piece of advice is this: if you plan on staying in the Cleveland area, sell your dog, your car, your kids :lol:, do anything you need to do so that you can afford the mortgage and buy residential in downtown Cleveland.  It may never make you ultra-rich, but it certainly will pay for itself in spades (monetarily and psychologically).

 

If you can buy near Stark's Pesht, then all the better, 'cause this project combined with what is already going on in the warehouse district is bound to be spectacular.

 

You don't have to move downtown, there are other areas in Cleveland where housing appreciates, Shaker Square, Tremont, Ohio City, Little Italy-Murray Hill for instance.  The majority of homeowners in my complex have homes that are 2-6 times the purchase price.

 

However, we may be turning a corner with the success of the Pinnacle and the Stonebridge projects, the next developments have to "up the ante" interms of style, design, amenities and a prestiges address.

you guys can debate the brookings numbers all you want (oh wait, we already did back in the day). But until a better report comes along, I'm willing to accept the brookings numbers without each of us naming off a bunch of census tracts and then running the numbers ourselves.

 

And yes the geographic sizes of the dowtnown's varies for each city. How about this, you guys actually read the report instead tossing around excuses for Cleveland's low number.

 

(and yes, for some odd reason brookings gave Detroit's downtown an absurdly large land area, but for the most part their "downtowns" were relatively correct IMO)

 

 

ok...now that, the sub discussion of downtown's size has been exhausted, lets get back on topic.

pope brookings would be ok as long as we were talking about the exact same square mileage of what is considered downtown in the various cities. otherwise its pointless. 

Does the current national housing/mortgage problems have any negative ramifications for this and other downtown projects?

pope brookings would be ok as long as we were talking about the exact same square mileage of what is considered downtown in the various cities. otherwise its pointless. 

 

but at the same time that makes about as much sense as saying downtown new york is only and exactly a one-square mile radius from the NYSE.

pope brookings would be ok as long as we were talking about the exact same square mileage of what is considered downtown in the various cities. otherwise its pointless. 

 

but at the same time that makes about as much sense as saying downtown new york is only and exactly a one-square mile radius from the NYSE.

 

I understand what you're saying Pope, but there are clear boundaries as to what the financial district is and what downtown NYC is?

 

In that report, it seems brookings used w3 to east 14 as downtown.  or didn't consult the city as to what they would like to use as boundaries.

 

I think its difficult to have a clear debate unless the report tells us exactly what boundaries are used to define "downtown" in each city.

you're right, brookings just threw four darts at a map.

ok...now that, the sub discussion of downtown's size has been exhausted, lets get back on topic.

 

I don't think they're listening.

 

 

 

 

expanding Urban Ohio into a magazine (or flyer) that gets distributed to downtown Cleveland

 

I actually really like this idea as well.  Of course, it would require finding someone to finance it, but it would probably be about the best thing that Urban Ohio could do to "get the word out" beyond this website.  it could also, of course, contain the "Urban Ohio Report."

 

I second this idea.  It seems to fall directly in line with a thread that was started earlier this year about the future of urban ohio.  If we want to be an agent of change, for the betterment of downtown and her neighborhoods, as many folks on this forum do, then we need to get the word out on the street, in front of people's faces as the perspectives we discuss on this forum are not being presented elsewhere.  A targeted paper based version of UO will get people talking and perhaps get folks to realize what an INCREDIBLE opportunity downtown Cleveland presents. 

 

If anyone wants to push further with this idea, I'd certainly enjoy pursuing it off line.  Perhaps we could all meet somewhere dwntwn?  In regards to financing it, I'd guess we could create the content in our 'spare' time and perhaps utilize our respective work places to each print off a 'few' copies.

I actually really like this idea as well.  Of course, it would require finding someone to finance it, but it would probably be about the best thing that Urban Ohio could do to "get the word out" beyond this website.  it could also, of course, contain the "Urban Ohio Report."

 

I second this idea.  It seems to fall directly in line with a thread that was started earlier this year about the future of urban ohio.  If we want to be an agent of change, for the betterment of downtown and her neighborhoods, as many folks on this forum do, then we need to get the word out on the street, in front of people's faces as the perspectives we discuss on this forum are not being presented elsewhere.  A targeted paper based version of UO will get people talking and perhaps get folks to realize what an INCREDIBLE opportunity downtown Cleveland presents. 

 

If anyone wants to push further with this idea, I'd certainly enjoy pursuing it off line.  Perhaps we could all meet somewhere dwntwn?  In regards to financing it, I'd guess we could create the content in our 'spare' time and perhaps utilize our respective work places to each print off a 'few' copies.

 

this might best fit into this thread

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=11988.0

 

I'd love to help!