August 17, 200717 yr "If anyone wants to push further with this idea, I'd certainly enjoy pursuing it off line. Perhaps we could all meet somewhere...?" http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=13827.msg210874#new clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
August 17, 200717 yr I've proposed a central city (basically from Gordon Square to University Circle) web-based newspaper to folks like Zaremba and others who might be in a position to help finance it. They wanted to see a business plan, but I haven't had the time to set it to paper (or computer keyboard). I envisioned that the "newspaper" would have e-mail alerts to subscribers and a print edition in PDF that subscribers could print out and read on the bus or train to work, or maybe at work or home (for the urban sinners who drive to work solo!). "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 17, 200717 yr There is so much that the PD doesn't cover and which I can't cover due to other beats I'm responsible for that I couldn't even begin to list all of the missed information. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 20, 200717 yr "sooo uhhh no one got pictures of these renderings? no cell phone picture or anything...?? i drove by last saturday and they were definately not in the windows anymore..." Sorry for waiting so long to post these, but I was able to swing by and snap a few pics on the cameraphone (SLR battery died just as I was taking the first pic) or the Ernest & Young building :?. Sorry the quality isn't that great, but some interesting renderings, imo. The second photo shows three separate views of the building, and take a look at the massings (?) behind the E&Y building in the bottom-right panel. Any speculation as to whether this is conceptual or perhaps some real plans for development?
August 20, 200717 yr Now that is just awesome! :banger: I think what we're seeing in the second photo/bottom right is a separate massing at West 3rd/Superior. It looks like it may be part of the E&Y building, but a taller part than the section at West 6th/Superior. clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
August 20, 200717 yr The massing is another one of the "big three" looking for space. Hopefully have something to post on that sooner than later...
August 20, 200717 yr The massing is another one of the "big three" looking for space. Hopefully have something to post on that sooner than later... PWC? They seemed to have followed suit of E&Y's new-building naming frenzy.
August 20, 200717 yr You think they would live the SOHIO Building? these dirt cheap rates for a lot of these leases have to be expiring soon (back when they dropped it to what 10 sq.ft a few years back to fill up the building?)
August 20, 200717 yr The massing is another one of the "big three" looking for space. Hopefully have something to post on that sooner than later... PWC? They seemed to have followed suit of E&Y's new-building naming frenzy. Nope, they moved into new space in BP this year. Plus, they're not big enough in Cleveland to demand enough space to warrant a new building.
August 20, 200717 yr Nope, they moved into new space in BP this year. Plus, they're not big enough in Cleveland to demand enough space to warrant a new building. thats why I asked that. It seems the SOHIO building has quite a few consulting firms in it.
August 20, 200717 yr The massing is another one of the "big three" looking for space. Hopefully have something to post on that sooner than later... 1. E&Y 2. Eaton? 3. Baker Hostetler?
August 20, 200717 yr The massing is another one of the "big three" looking for space. Hopefully have something to post on that sooner than later... 1. E&Y 2. Eaton? 3. Baker Hostetler? usually when someone says "big 3", "big 4" or "big 5", they are referring to accounting / consulting companies, and depending on how you view the market or mergers, you hear different numbers. if that is the case, then i believe the Deloitte is in BP and hias a sizable presence there. McKinsey is also in BP (but isn't considered a "big 3"). I know that IBM services has a fair amount of people in the area as well.
August 20, 200717 yr The massing is another one of the "big three" looking for space. Hopefully have something to post on that sooner than later... PWC? They seemed to have followed suit of E&Y's new-building naming frenzy. Nope, they moved into new space in BP this year. Plus, they're not big enough in Cleveland to demand enough space to warrant a new building. you don't have to occupy 100% of building to get your name on the top. But point taken, I didn't know they moved this year.
August 20, 200717 yr brtshrcegr -- what a score, thx. pope brookings would be ok as long as we were talking about the exact same square mileage of what is considered downtown in the various cities. otherwise its pointless. but at the same time that makes about as much sense as saying downtown new york is only and exactly a one-square mile radius from the NYSE. no, it only shows that's not the perfect solution either beacuse it will miss things....but....still standardizing is a better solution and your example is much less of a problem. it's much much more fair to establish a centerpoint and then standardize a radius or block around it in a city. one square mile? 10? 20? doesnt matter as long as its the same for everybody, then you can compare. better to draw a line in the concrete somewhere than it is for some indy for example to say, "ours is 100 sq mi."
August 21, 200717 yr wow, we are a sad lot... hopeful, but really just grasping at anything that could be the BIG NEWS!!!
August 21, 200717 yr We're not sad. We just get excited about our city. There's nothing wrong with that. Right? Right??
August 22, 200717 yr is it a week until they re-schedule the warehouse district festival? i went on sunday and nothing was happening because of the rain. i went hoping something big was planned... but hrmmm..
August 22, 200717 yr is it a week until they re-schedule the warehouse district festival? i went on sunday and nothing was happening because of the rain. i went hoping something big was planned... but hrmmm.. search feature.... http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=13826.new#new
August 22, 200717 yr ah man, i was hoping for a 30 story Needless Markup. The higher the floor, the more over priced it is. LOL. As a Shopoholic even I wouldn't want to see a 30 story Needless Markup.
August 22, 200717 yr Sorry folks - had to clean up the thread a bit, but a glitch caused some posts to be lost. Let's just be patient (and lay off the off-topic posts) and see what happens. clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
August 24, 200717 yr Welllll, as I was heading into work, we were stopped on St. Clair at West 3rd. I happened to glance over (and fortunately my camera powered up in time): I photoshopped it a little bit to help delineate the massings (sorry about the parking meters, I was in a car about 20 feet away): Original photo: clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
August 24, 200717 yr Uhmmm, Mayday Could you describe what you saw :) I can't really tell what is going on there. The red buildings would be new and about a little shorter than thier neighbors?? Does this massing jive with the original phase 1? THANKS! (not trying to look a gift horse in the mouth)
August 24, 200717 yr What I saw was two easels with renderings - one of which I could see from the car (god I feel soooo paparazzi!) Yes, the red buildings would be over by West 9th and St. Clair and seem to be more in line with typical Warehouse District heights. The blue buildings are Phase 1; If by the original massing you mean: Then no, the rendering I saw today is showing substantially larger buildings for Phase 1 :-) clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
August 24, 200717 yr THANK YOU! and very cool Is this a sort of build it and they will come? If so, FOREST CITY ARE YOU LISTENING!!!
August 24, 200717 yr You're welcome! No idea of the "build it and they will come" but hopefully we'll hear something eventually :-) clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
August 24, 200717 yr One of these would look good at the corner of W6th and St. Clair, http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/08/21/properties/remar.php
August 24, 200717 yr One of these would look good at the corner of W6th and St. Clair, http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/08/21/properties/remar.php two old grey haired men? Well at least they weren't designed by volpe
August 24, 200717 yr One of these would look good at the corner of W6th and St. Clair, http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/08/21/properties/remar.php two old grey haired men? Well at least they weren't designed by volpe Volpe does design the equivalent of two gray haired men. Read the story.
August 24, 200717 yr Let's be honest. We were all hoping for a picture, w28th. Reading can be construed as a form of work.
August 24, 200717 yr whoa some of those look like they might be altering the skyline... awesome that the big stuff is going in first rather than last...
August 24, 200717 yr It will be interesting to see if Stark has anything solid to report. I would think if he did, he would be calling a news conference, like the one he was suppose to have in June. I think he's sincere, but in today's market conditions, I wonder if a project of this type and magnitude is still possible. He's going to have to put some serious money on the table to have the banks back this project.
August 24, 200717 yr Man, you folks are thirsty for info!! (OK, so am I...). But if you can cool your jets for a bit, a few things will literally become clearer. Nothing earth-shattering yet, though. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 24, 200717 yr KJP, buddy, pal, best writer of all time, what are the chances of construction within the next 6 mos...good, bad, maybe.
August 24, 200717 yr KJP, buddy, pal, best writer of all time, what are the chances of construction within the next 6 mos...good, bad, maybe. I didn't see an offer of cash in there.... Doesn't matter. I would tell you anyways. The chances of construction happening within the next 6 months is impossible. It would probably take that long just to get through the city approvals process once plans were submitted. And no plans have been submitted. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 24, 200717 yr you can't read buildings! From the renderings I've seen, yes you can... are you seriously this dense?
August 28, 200717 yr Gentlemen hold your horse,Remember Stark is right now located downtown and is preparing everything right outside his window. Perhaps he can push a building plan or two in less than six months. Hell I bet his first building plan get through in less than 3 months. :shoot: :shoot: :shoot:
August 28, 200717 yr Edsiou...it is clear you have very little understanding of the planning process for a large constrution project and what it takes to mobilize (even a private project with less statutory constraits).
August 28, 200717 yr Gentlemen hold your horse,Remember Stark is right now located downtown and is preparing everything right outside his window. Perhaps he can push a building plan or two in less than six months. Hell I bet his first building plan get through in less than 3 months. I wouldn't make that bet if I were you. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 29, 200717 yr It's not as exciting as I thought it would be last week. But it's still a interesting (at least I think it is). "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
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