Ohio GOP Merges Anti-Trans Legislation with Anti-LGBTQ Legislation

 

A bill that would prevent trans athletes from participating in Ohio women’s sports was woven into a bill that would limit health care for LGBTQ+ youth, and passed the Ohio House Public Health Policy Committee — all in the same meeting. 

 

House Bill 6, dubbed the “Save Women’s Sports Act”, was added to House Bill 68, also known as the Save Adolescents from Experimentation Act (SAFE Act), through a substitute bill that was accepted during Wednesday’s committee meeting. HB 68 now awaits further consideration in the House. 

 

HB 68 would ban doctors from providing gender-affirming care, including puberty blockers and hormone therapy, to trans youth. The bill would prevent physicians from performing gender reassignment surgery on a minor, but many opponents have testified that no Ohio children’s hospital currently performs gender-affirming surgery on those under 18.

 

“Please trust young people when they tell us who they are. Stop meddling in people’s most private health care decisions, and let trans kids have the opportunity to be themselves. Leave trans kids alone,” said Mallory Golski, the civic engagement and advocacy manager for Kaleidoscope Youth Center. 

 

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https://columbusunderground.com/ohio-gop-merges-anti-trans-legislation-with-anti-lgbtq-legislation-ocj1/

2 hours ago, ColDayMan said:

Ohio GOP Merges Anti-Trans Legislation with Anti-LGBTQ Legislation

 

A bill that would prevent trans athletes from participating in Ohio women’s sports was woven into a bill that would limit health care for LGBTQ+ youth, and passed the Ohio House Public Health Policy Committee — all in the same meeting. 

 

House Bill 6, dubbed the “Save Women’s Sports Act”, was added to House Bill 68, also known as the Save Adolescents from Experimentation Act (SAFE Act), through a substitute bill that was accepted during Wednesday’s committee meeting. HB 68 now awaits further consideration in the House. 

 

HB 68 would ban doctors from providing gender-affirming care, including puberty blockers and hormone therapy, to trans youth. The bill would prevent physicians from performing gender reassignment surgery on a minor, but many opponents have testified that no Ohio children’s hospital currently performs gender-affirming surgery on those under 18.

 

“Please trust young people when they tell us who they are. Stop meddling in people’s most private health care decisions, and let trans kids have the opportunity to be themselves. Leave trans kids alone,” said Mallory Golski, the civic engagement and advocacy manager for Kaleidoscope Youth Center. 

 

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https://columbusunderground.com/ohio-gop-merges-anti-trans-legislation-with-anti-lgbtq-legislation-ocj1/

This sounds more like adding anti-trans legislation to other anti-trans legislation. They are going after the T big time. smh.

 

 

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Stop meddling in people’s most private health care decision...

This.

Ohioans Moving Out-of-State to Escape Transgender Prosecution

 

Ember Zelch would rather give up a $10,000 college scholarship than stay in Ohio. 

 

The 18-year-old was one of 150 students who won a scholarship in 2021 as part of Ohio Vax-2-School, a statewide contest aimed at boosting COVID-19 vaccination rates among younger Ohioans. 

 

Zelch, however, is leaving that money on the table because she doesn’t feel welcome in Ohio as a transgender woman. 

 

“The whole state is just tainted for her,” Ember’s mom Minna Zelch said. “It just seems like she’s not wanted, she’s not welcome. And why would she ever come back here? She would rather take on debt than stay in the state.”

 

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https://columbusunderground.com/ohioans-moving-out-of-state-to-escape-transgender-prosecution-ocj1/

 

Ohio GOP Introduces Drag Ban Legislation

 

Ohio Republicans introduced a bill last Monday to ban drag performances in locations other than “adult cabaret.”

 

HB 245 is sponsored by Reps. Angela King (R-Celina) and Josh Williams (R-Oregon) and co-sponsored by 41 other Republican representatives. 

 

The bill defines an “adult cabaret performance” as “a performance in a location other than an adult cabaret that is harmful to juveniles or obscene.” 

 

The bill specifically calls out drag performers by referencing “performers or entertainers who exhibit a gender identity that is different from the performer’s or entertainer’s gender assigned at birth using clothing, makeup, prosthetic or imitation genitals or breasts, or other physical markers.”

 

A key piece of this legislation are the words “harmful to juveniles or obscene,” a phrase defined in the Ohio Revised Code as “any material or performance describing or representing nudity, sexual conduct, sexual excitement, or sado-masochistic abuse in any form to which all of the following apply.”

 

In a recent Ohio example of how subjective this language can be, community members in Celina, Ohio approached their local City Council claiming that a drag queen wearing a bathing suit at a Pride celebration should be classified as “nudity,” due to their backside not being completely covered. 

 

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https://columbusunderground.com/ohio-gop-introduces-drag-ban-legislation-tbf1/

 

I feel like I'm living in last days of Weimar Germany.  Please change my mind.

 

51 minutes ago, ColDayMan said:

Ohio GOP Introduces Drag Ban Legislation

 

Ohio Republicans introduced a bill last Monday to ban drag performances in locations other than “adult cabaret.”

 

HB 245 is sponsored by Reps. Angela King (R-Celina) and Josh Williams (R-Oregon) and co-sponsored by 41 other Republican representatives. 

 

The bill defines an “adult cabaret performance” as “a performance in a location other than an adult cabaret that is harmful to juveniles or obscene.” 

 

The bill specifically calls out drag performers by referencing “performers or entertainers who exhibit a gender identity that is different from the performer’s or entertainer’s gender assigned at birth using clothing, makeup, prosthetic or imitation genitals or breasts, or other physical markers.”

 

A key piece of this legislation are the words “harmful to juveniles or obscene,” a phrase defined in the Ohio Revised Code as “any material or performance describing or representing nudity, sexual conduct, sexual excitement, or sado-masochistic abuse in any form to which all of the following apply.”

 

In a recent Ohio example of how subjective this language can be, community members in Celina, Ohio approached their local City Council claiming that a drag queen wearing a bathing suit at a Pride celebration should be classified as “nudity,” due to their backside not being completely covered. 

 

More below:

https://columbusunderground.com/ohio-gop-introduces-drag-ban-legislation-tbf1/

 

If this passes I am dressing in drag and performing at Broad and High. I swear to God/Allah I have my mind set on a pink sparkly burka minidress with slutty purple shoes....and Divine-esque hair and makeup.  F$#$ this sh$#!

4 hours ago, Toddguy said:

If this passes I am dressing in drag and performing at Broad and High. I swear to God/Allah I have my mind set on a pink sparkly burka minidress with slutty purple shoes....and Divine-esque hair and makeup.  F$#$ this sh$#!

I'll do the same in Toledo, corner of Summit and Madison, and will find friends to join me...happily will go to jail for this. 

4 minutes ago, westerninterloper said:

I'll do the same in Toledo, corner of Summit and Madison, and will find friends to join me...happily will go to jail for this. 

I was thinking we should get female allies to dress as if they were drag queens.  It would really confuse things and make a mockery of these stupid laws. 

Ohio Man Has Epic Meltdown at Petco Over Gender-Neutral Bathroom
 

https://www.advocate.com/news/gender-neutral-bathroom-ohio-petco

 

The Ohio Building Code can be quite triggering for (checks notes) oh, MAGA idiots.

Chapter 29 for those that are curious. Toilet counts are based on calculated occupancy and then fixture count/requirements are calculated based upon a table. Single occupancy bathrooms save business owners money, most of the time, by saving construction costs.

 

It's only "woke" in that it makes business sense. Making it some culture flash point is surprisingly the dumbest thing l've read today.

 

So far.

^ The “We the people” t-shirt was the dead giveaway here. 

1 hour ago, Clefan98 said:

Ohio Man Has Epic Meltdown at Petco Over Gender-Neutral Bathroom
 

https://www.advocate.com/news/gender-neutral-bathroom-ohio-petco

 

The Ohio Building Code can be quite triggering for (checks notes) oh, MAGA idiots.

Chapter 29 for those that are curious. Toilet counts are based on calculated occupancy and then fixture count/requirements are calculated based upon a table. Single occupancy bathrooms save business owners money, most of the time, by saving construction costs.

 

It's only "woke" in that it makes business sense. Making it some culture flash point is surprisingly the dumbest thing l've read today.

 

So far.

The only time it makes sense to have gendered bathrooms at all is in high-traffic areas that have hundreds of people at a time.  It makes no sense to gender-off bathrooms in stores where maybe one customer goes in every 15 minutes. What if the men's has broken plumbing? Do you swallow your shame and go into the empty women's public restroom?

Edited July 29, 20231 yr by 10albersa

As a Dad with 2 girls, I love places that have neutral or family bathrooms. Otherwise, I have to take my 5 year old into the the men's room with me for her to go. 

Ohio GOP Lawmakers Continue to Push Anti-Transgender Bathroom Bills

 

Republican sponsors of a bill banning transgender students from using the bathroom and locker room that matches up with their gender identity faced questions Wednesday afternoon from the House Higher Education Committee. 

 

State Reps. Beth Lear, R-Galena, and Adam Bird, R-New Richmond, introduced House Bill 183 which would require Ohio K-12 schools and colleges to mandate that students could only use the bathroom or locker room that matches their sex assigned at birth.

 

“Essentially, this bill says that only boys will be allowed in the boy’s restroom and only girls will be allowed in the girl’s restroom,” Bird said during his testimony.

 

Many Republicans nationwide have rejected the medical consensus on transgender issues. The American Medical Association officially opposes policies preventing transgender individuals from accessing basic human services and public facilities consistent with gender identity.

 

The Ohio bill would also prohibit schools from allowing students to share overnight accommodations with the opposite sex. 

 

However, it would not prohibit a school from having single-occupancy facilities and it would not apply to someone helping a person with a disability or a child younger than 10 years old being assisted by a parent, guardian, or family member.

 

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https://columbusunderground.com/ohio-gop-lawmakers-continue-to-push-anti-transgender-bathroom-bills-ocj1/

Ohioans Speak Out Against Anti-Trans Bathroom Legislation

 

Transgender high school student Bradie Anderson doesn’t want to have to go back to using the boys bathroom.

 

The-14-year-old testified Wednesday during the House Higher Education Committee against a bill that would ban transgender students from using the bathroom and locker room that matches up with their gender identity.

 

“How uncomfortable and unsafe would I be in the boy’s bathroom? Very. … Who is going to start checking to see who is transgender and who isn’t? … Do you know how dangerous it is for me in the bathroom?” Bradie said in her testimony.

 

Her mom Anne Anderson also spoke out against the bill.

 

“Bradie is a very bright, determined little girl who would like to be a lawyer someday, maybe even a politician, but you will lose out on her because we will have no choice but to move,” Anne said. “Please don’t do anything to my daughter.”

 

State Reps. Beth Lear, R-Galena, and Adam Bird, R-New Richmond, introduced House Bill 183 which would require Ohio K-12 schools and colleges to mandate that students could only use the bathroom or locker room that matches their sex assigned at birth. It would also prohibit schools from allowing students to share overnight accommodations with the opposite sex.

 

Many Republicans nationwide have rejected the medical consensus on transgender issues. The American Medical Association officially opposes policies preventing transgender individuals from accessing basic human services and public facilities consistent with gender identity.

 

However, HB 183 would not prohibit a school from having single-occupancy facilities and it would not apply to someone helping a person with a disability or a child younger than 10 years old being assisted by a parent, guardian, or family member.

 

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https://columbusunderground.com/ohioans-speak-out-against-anti-trans-bathroom-legislation-ocj1/

6 hours ago, ColDayMan said:

Ohioans Speak Out Against Anti-Trans Bathroom Legislation

 

Transgender high school student Bradie Anderson doesn’t want to have to go back to using the boys bathroom.

 

The-14-year-old testified Wednesday during the House Higher Education Committee against a bill that would ban transgender students from using the bathroom and locker room that matches up with their gender identity.

 

“How uncomfortable and unsafe would I be in the boy’s bathroom? Very. … Who is going to start checking to see who is transgender and who isn’t? … Do you know how dangerous it is for me in the bathroom?” Bradie said in her testimony.

 

Her mom Anne Anderson also spoke out against the bill.

 

“Bradie is a very bright, determined little girl who would like to be a lawyer someday, maybe even a politician, but you will lose out on her because we will have no choice but to move,” Anne said. “Please don’t do anything to my daughter.”

 

State Reps. Beth Lear, R-Galena, and Adam Bird, R-New Richmond, introduced House Bill 183 which would require Ohio K-12 schools and colleges to mandate that students could only use the bathroom or locker room that matches their sex assigned at birth. It would also prohibit schools from allowing students to share overnight accommodations with the opposite sex.

 

Many Republicans nationwide have rejected the medical consensus on transgender issues. The American Medical Association officially opposes policies preventing transgender individuals from accessing basic human services and public facilities consistent with gender identity.

 

However, HB 183 would not prohibit a school from having single-occupancy facilities and it would not apply to someone helping a person with a disability or a child younger than 10 years old being assisted by a parent, guardian, or family member.

 

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https://columbusunderground.com/ohioans-speak-out-against-anti-trans-bathroom-legislation-ocj1/

 

0% chance that Republicans care what any trans people or their allies have to say about this. You are not going to sway people with an agenda of hate with pleas for empathy, compassion and reason. If they had those things, they wouldn't be trying to pass legislation like this.

Ohio Dems Introduce Marriage Equality Act

 

In a press conference held at the Ohio Statehouse on October 17, House Democrats joined LGBTQ+ advocacy organization Equality Ohio and LGBTQ+ civil rights activist Jim Obergefell in announcing plans to introduce the Marriage Equality Act — which would update the Ohio Revised Code to protect all marriages.

 

Currently the Ohio Revised Code outlines, “A marriage may only be entered into by one man and one woman.”

 

State Reps. Jessica E. Miranda (D, Forest Park) and Tavia Galonski (D, Akron) plan to co-sponsor the bill, which they said will safeguard the right to marry both for LGBTQ+ Ohioans and interracial couples.

 

“Historically, marriage bans have been utilized to deny interracial and same-sex couples from protecting their partners and acting in their partner’s best interests,” Miranda said. “Today, we recognize that history, and work to fortify the right to marriage for all Ohioans.”

 

Rep. Dontaveous Darrells (D, Columbus) also joined LGBTQ+ advocates in support of the bill, which would also enshrine the right to marriage for interracial couples affirmed in the 1967 U.S. Supreme Court case Loving v. Virginia.

 

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https://columbusunderground.com/ohio-dems-introduce-marriage-equality-act-tbf1/

 

Over 20 LGBTQ+ Candidates Elected to Ohio Offices This Year

 

More than two dozen out LGBTQ+ Ohioans ran for public office in the 2023 general election, campaigning to represent voters in major cities and small villages and townships across the state.

 

With a unprecedented rise in anti-LGBTQ+ and anti-transgender legislation across the country, out LGBTQ+ candidates faced a range of political climates in their own communities. While some candidates faced intense anti-LGBTQ+ sentiment, other experienced overwhelming community support.

 

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Ohio Republicans Pushing Drag Ban Legislation Forward

 

A bill that would ban drag performers from performing anywhere that isn’t a designated adult entertainment facility had its first hearing last week in the Ohio House Criminal Justice Committee.

 

House Bill 245 would prevent “adult cabaret performance in a location other than an adult cabaret.” 

 

It also expands the definition of adult cabaret performances to include “performers or entertainers who exhibit a gender identity that is different from the performer’s or entertainer’s gender assigned at birth using clothing, makeup, prosthetic or imitation genitals or breasts, or other physical markers.”

 

The bill doesn’t stop at drag performers. It also includes topless dancers, go-go dancers, strippers and exotic dancers. 

 

“House Bill 245 has one purpose … to protect Ohio children,” state rep. Angie King, R-Celina, said in her sponsor testimony. “HB 245 is an important piece of legislation that will give Ohio families a safe place within their communities where they can take their children without fear of their children being exposed to explicit material and performances.”

 

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https://columbusunderground.com/ohio-republicans-pushing-drag-ban-legislation-forward-ocj1/

 

1 hour ago, ColDayMan said:

Ohio Republicans Pushing Drag Ban Legislation Forward

 

A bill that would ban drag performers from performing anywhere that isn’t a designated adult entertainment facility had its first hearing last week in the Ohio House Criminal Justice Committee.

 

House Bill 245 would prevent “adult cabaret performance in a location other than an adult cabaret.” 

 

It also expands the definition of adult cabaret performances to include “performers or entertainers who exhibit a gender identity that is different from the performer’s or entertainer’s gender assigned at birth using clothing, makeup, prosthetic or imitation genitals or breasts, or other physical markers.”

 

The bill doesn’t stop at drag performers. It also includes topless dancers, go-go dancers, strippers and exotic dancers. 

 

“House Bill 245 has one purpose … to protect Ohio children,” state rep. Angie King, R-Celina, said in her sponsor testimony. “HB 245 is an important piece of legislation that will give Ohio families a safe place within their communities where they can take their children without fear of their children being exposed to explicit material and performances.”

 

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https://columbusunderground.com/ohio-republicans-pushing-drag-ban-legislation-forward-ocj1/

 

 

It's all just so dumb. No drag events were taking place with children being forced to attend. Parents were taking kids to drag story hour, etc. Random kids weren't showing up. And there's nothing to protect kids from, anyway.

Wasn't this last year's moral panic?

So no drag in a parade? Seriously these GOP loonies can't be serious. But muh freedom? But muh liberty?

This seems very unconstitutional.

I saw the Broadway version of Mrs. Doubtfire will be playing in Cincinnati next month. Under this bill, wouldn't that be illegal?

 

Didn't the Supreme Court block Florida's equally-stupid bill (at least for now)?

 

It's sad what our Republican state legislature is doing to our state. 

1 hour ago, mrCharlie said:

I saw the Broadway version of Mrs. Doubtfire will be playing in Cincinnati next month. Under this bill, wouldn't that be illegal?

 

Didn't the Supreme Court block Florida's equally-stupid bill (at least for now)?

 

It's sad what our Republican state legislature is doing to our state. 

 

Well Ohio has become poorer, less educated, and is more of a laughingstock under their leadership.  As someone who works in economic development - the only thing these so called leaders like to promote at every single conference is Intel.  It doesn't matter if you're in Youngstown or Toledo, just Intel.  This leadership does nothing for the state, status quo as it always has been.  But now that Ohio is poorer and less educated than a lot of its competitors, they can always appease the Ohio voter by going after drag shows.  They really are idiots.

20 minutes ago, MissinOhio said:

 

Well Ohio has become poorer, less educated, and is more of a laughingstock under their leadership.  As someone who works in economic development - the only thing these so called leaders like to promote at every single conference is Intel.  It doesn't matter if you're in Youngstown or Toledo, just Intel.  This leadership does nothing for the state, status quo as it always has been.  But now that Ohio is poorer and less educated than a lot of its competitors, they can always appease the Ohio voter by going after drag shows.  They really are idiots.

 

Moral panics keep people distracted. When you have no agenda you scare people.

Ohio GOP Introduces a “Don’t Say Gay” Style Bill

 

An Ohio House bill to notify parents of any content in state schools that may contain “sexuality” was introduced before an Ohio Senate committee last week.

 

Critics likened the bill to Florida’s “Don’t Say Gay” bill, which was implemented in 2022 and bars classroom discussion for some grade levels on sexual orientation and gender identity.

 

Republican co-sponsors state Rep. D.J. Swearingen, R-Huron, and Rep. Sara Carruthers, R-Hamilton, brought the bill before the Senate Education Committee.

 

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https://columbusunderground.com/ohio-gop-introduces-a-dont-say-gay-style-bill-ocj1/

 

On 11/28/2023 at 6:57 AM, MissinOhio said:

 

Well Ohio has become poorer, less educated, and is more of a laughingstock under their leadership.  As someone who works in economic development - the only thing these so called leaders like to promote at every single conference is Intel.  It doesn't matter if you're in Youngstown or Toledo, just Intel.  This leadership does nothing for the state, status quo as it always has been.  But now that Ohio is poorer and less educated than a lot of its competitors, they can always appease the Ohio voter by going after drag shows.  They really are idiots.

 

Some of what you touched on is a very interesting about-face from the past I have been realizing.

 

Ohio legislature used to understand that while the urban areas were more liberal than they likely desired, you just do not bite the hand that feeds you. Yes, politicians always kind of poked at and talked like the cities were these centers of chaos but they knew the reality and not to impact the businesses, education, or healthcare coffers they needed. Increasingly this is changing with legislature just throwing the bird and doing what they want without any regard for the financial and growth impacts. I know this is not solely an Ohio thing, but previously it was not an Ohio thing at all really. 

 

Politics have changed, but betraying that institutional trust has a very real chance of derailing the future beyond Intel. Once you destroy the hands off approach Ohio used to live by, you really dont have a ton of runway left. 

Ohio Legislators Passed Anti-Trans Law This Week — Here’s What’s Next

 

A bill that would block doctors from providing gender-affirming care to trans youth and prevent trans athletes from participating in Ohio women’s sports is going to Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine’s desk. 

 

The Ohio Senate passed House Bill 68 in a 24-8 vote Wednesday afternoon and the Ohio House concurred with the Senate amendments in a 61-27 vote Wednesday night. DeWine now has 10 business days to sign or veto the bill. 

 

“We await a final bill to review before offering formal comment,” DeWine’s press secretary Dan Tierney said in an email Wednesday afternoon. 

 

State Senator Nathan Manning, R-North Ridgeville, was the lone Republican who joined Senate Democrats in voting against the bill. 

 

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This is one of those "if I wanted to live in backwards Southern state, I would move to a backwards Southern state" bills. Ohio is better than this.

2 hours ago, mrCharlie said:

This is one of those "if I wanted to live in backwards Southern state, I would move to a backwards Southern state" bills. Ohio is better than this.

 

Well, the legislature certainly isn't better than this. 

3 hours ago, mrCharlie said:

This is one of those "if I wanted to live in backwards Southern state, I would move to a backwards Southern state" bills. Ohio is better than this.

 

I agree, but Ohio has now become one of those states.  Far right Republican, poor, uneducated.  Welcome to the Buckeye State.

46 minutes ago, MissinOhio said:

 

I agree, but Ohio has now become one of those states.  Far right Republican, poor, uneducated.  Welcome to the Buckeye State.

Ohio has never had a good record on LGBTQ rights...one of the very few constitutional referendums to win by 60%+ was the 2004 Marriage Amendment. It has consistently ranked near last in most comparisons of progressive policies with other states. 

12 minutes ago, westerninterloper said:

Ohio has never had a good record on LGBTQ rights...one of the very few constitutional referendums to win by 60%+ was the 2004 Marriage Amendment. It has consistently ranked near last in most comparisons of progressive policies with other states. 

 

Urban Catholics and Baptists, rural Pentecostals......this should not be a surprise.

Clock is Ticking for Gov DeWine on Anti-Transgender Legislation

 

Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine said Friday he is taking time to read over testimony for a bill that would prohibit doctors from providing gender-affirming care to trans youth and block trans athletes from playing women’s sports. 

 

The Ohio House and Senate passed House Bill 68, sending the bill to DeWine’s desk for him to either sign into law or veto.

 

“I’m taking a hard, hard look at this,” DeWine told reporters Friday. 

 

DeWine’s office had not yet received the bill as of Friday morning. He will have ten days to sign or veto the bill once his office receives the piece of legislation.  

 

“We’re not trying to drag it out, but I’m going to spend a lot of time and talk with additional people and look at it again,” he said. “This is a serious issue. People on both sides of this issue, who obviously have very different points of views, I do believe are worried about kids.”

 

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https://columbusunderground.com/clock-is-ticking-for-gov-dewine-on-anti-transgender-legislation-ocj1/

3 hours ago, ColDayMan said:

Clock is Ticking for Gov DeWine on Anti-Transgender Legislation

 

Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine said Friday he is taking time to read over testimony for a bill that would prohibit doctors from providing gender-affirming care to trans youth and block trans athletes from playing women’s sports. 

 

The Ohio House and Senate passed House Bill 68, sending the bill to DeWine’s desk for him to either sign into law or veto.

 

“I’m taking a hard, hard look at this,” DeWine told reporters Friday. 

 

DeWine’s office had not yet received the bill as of Friday morning. He will have ten days to sign or veto the bill once his office receives the piece of legislation.  

 

“We’re not trying to drag it out, but I’m going to spend a lot of time and talk with additional people and look at it again,” he said. “This is a serious issue. People on both sides of this issue, who obviously have very different points of views, I do believe are worried about kids.”

 

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https://columbusunderground.com/clock-is-ticking-for-gov-dewine-on-anti-transgender-legislation-ocj1/

 

100% chance he signs it. I don't know why he's acting like it's a difficult decision for him. 

Ohio’s Anti-LGBTQ+ Movement is Fueled by Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists

 

On March 11, 2023, members of the neo-Nazi group “Blood Tribe” descended on a drag storytime event in Wadsworth, Ohio.

 

In video footage posted to YouTube, they waved swastika flags and performed the “Hitler salute,” pounding their chests and screaming “Sieg, Heil!” in unison.

 

Blood Tribe’s leader and former U.S. Marine Christopher Pohlhaus led masked members in a series of violent call-and-response chants, including one notable declaration: “There will be blood.”

 

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https://columbusunderground.com/ohios-anti-lgbtq-movement-is-fueled-by-neo-nazis-and-white-supremacists-tbf1/

Where Does Ohio’s Anti-Trans Legislation Stand?

 

Ohio has a handful of anti-transgender bills that are in various spots in the legislature — which won’t reconvene until January. 

 

These bills have received much opposition from medical professions, hospitals, clergy, parents and members of the LGBTQ+ community. 

 

House Bill 68 is the closest to becoming law — having recently passed the Ohio House and the Senate. 

 

Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine has until Dec. 29 to either veto or sign the bill into law, said DeWine’s press secretary Dan Tierney. Even if DeWine vetoes the bill, a three-fifths vote of the members of the House and the Senate would override the governor’s veto. 

 

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https://columbusunderground.com/where-does-ohios-anti-trans-legislation-stand-ocj1/

On 12/19/2023 at 5:56 AM, jonoh81 said:

 

100% chance he signs it. I don't know why he's acting like it's a difficult decision for him. 

 

In a shocking turn, compassion and decency won out (at least until the veto override):

 

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Ohio governor vetoes ban on gender-affirming care for minors

 

Anumita Kaur

 

Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine struck down a bill that would have banned gender-affirming care for minors, breaking from fellow Republican governors’ precedent and preserving such care for residents beyond his state as well, because families of transgender youths who live in states with bans have been traveling to Ohio for treatment.

 

Republicans, who have a supermajority in the legislature, could override DeWine’s veto and might push back.

 

“This bill would impact a very small number of Ohio’s children. But for those children who face gender dysphoria, the consequences of this bill could not be more profound. Ultimately I believe this is about protecting human life,” DeWine said Friday during a news conference announcing the decision. “Many parents have told me that their child would not have survived, would be dead today, if they had not received the treatment they received from one of Ohio’s children’s hospitals.”

 

2 hours ago, X said:

 

In a shocking turn, compassion and decency won out (at least until the veto override):

 

 

How likely is there to be a veto override?

27 minutes ago, Toddguy said:

How likely is there to be a veto override?

I think an override only require 3/5 vote in both chambers. An override can be fairly likely.

4 hours ago, X said:

 

In a shocking turn, compassion and decency won out (at least until the veto override):

 

 

 

If I'm going to be wrong about something, I definitely like being wrong on something like this.

1 hour ago, jonoh81 said:

 

If I'm going to be wrong about something, I definitely like being wrong on something like this.

So are all Republicans evil still or is it more nuanced?

1 hour ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

So are all Republicans evil still or is it more nuanced?

 

I mean, the veto override still hasn't been done yet so that's a bit premature to call that out just yet.

Here are the numbers, based on a WKYC story I just read: 

 

"For reference, the bill passed 24-8 in the Senate and 62-27 in the House, both more than enough to override the governor's veto. However, a second vote will now have to be taken in each chamber, so it's possible some lawmakers could change their minds."

 

https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/ohio/house-bill-68-opponents-gov-mike-dewine-veto-override-effort/95-4f2a97d3-475d-4f64-a904-6369da5979fa

On 12/29/2023 at 4:40 PM, Brutus_buckeye said:

So are all Republicans evil still or is it more nuanced?

 

Doing the bare minimum right thing once in a blue moon does not absolve DeWine anymore than it does any other Republican. We're still talking about the guy who enthusiastically signed the Heartbeat bill. I'm glad this happened, but he's still objectively terrible on like 95% of issues. The bar is so low with Republicans, that anytime they stumble onto doing the right thing, you all expect medals to be handed out. Not actively supporting legislation that would cause trans kids to kill themselves shouldn't be a difficult choice.

Edited December 31, 20231 yr by jonoh81

On 12/29/2023 at 5:40 PM, Brutus_buckeye said:

So are all Republicans evil still or is it more nuanced?

 

You wanna cookie because one Republican stopped a bunch of others from doing something awful this one time?  It really just highlights how morally bankrupt the lot of them are.

3 hours ago, jonoh81 said:

 

Doing the bare minimum right thing once in a blue moon does not absolve DeWine anymore than it does any other Republican. We're still talking about the guy who enthusiastically signed the Heartbeat bill. I'm glad this happened, but he's still objectively terrible on like 95% of issues. The bar is so low with Republicans, that anytime they stumble onto doing the right thing, you all expect medals to be handed out. Not actively supporting legislation that would cause trans kids to kill themselves shouldn't be a difficult choice.

 

You're absolutely right, but I think about it this way: DeWine could have easily just signed it, and it would be put into law. I mean, didn't we all expect him to, anyway? Instead, he decided to go against what large amounts of the Ohio GOP support. The bar IS really low, but again, we are talking about the Republican Party in 2023, not 2005. If we throw him a bone and show that we value his decision, perhaps we can work with him on the issue, and as a result, he could perhaps convince some of his party members to change their minds (and votes). We WANT DeWine to be listening to the experts on this issue, and especially we want him to be listening to LGBTQ+ people and their families. Even if we agree that 100% of the Republican Party is evil, that doesn't bring us any closer to stopping these bills from passing. It's unlikely that Dems will be able to flip the House or Senate anytime soon, at least not until we get fair district maps. Flipping Ohio could take years. Trans people shouldn't have to wait that long. So either we reluctantly try to work with him for damage control purposes, or we... give up? Had people not come out in full force to testify against this, he might have signed it without a second thought. We need to keep up the pressure. Not only on this, but on other issues as well. The more Republicans that can be convinced to NOT override the veto, the better. I'm not gonna hold my breath, but I'm being cautiously optimistic for the time being.

9 hours ago, Brianna Coyle said:

 

You're absolutely right, but I think about it this way: DeWine could have easily just signed it, and it would be put into law. I mean, didn't we all expect him to, anyway? Instead, he decided to go against what large amounts of the Ohio GOP support. The bar IS really low, but again, we are talking about the Republican Party in 2023, not 2005. If we throw him a bone and show that we value his decision, perhaps we can work with him on the issue, and as a result, he could perhaps convince some of his party members to change their minds (and votes). We WANT DeWine to be listening to the experts on this issue, and especially we want him to be listening to LGBTQ+ people and their families. Even if we agree that 100% of the Republican Party is evil, that doesn't bring us any closer to stopping these bills from passing. It's unlikely that Dems will be able to flip the House or Senate anytime soon, at least not until we get fair district maps. Flipping Ohio could take years. Trans people shouldn't have to wait that long. So either we reluctantly try to work with him for damage control purposes, or we... give up? Had people not come out in full force to testify against this, he might have signed it without a second thought. We need to keep up the pressure. Not only on this, but on other issues as well. The more Republicans that can be convinced to NOT override the veto, the better. I'm not gonna hold my breath, but I'm being cautiously optimistic for the time being.

 

I have no issue giving credit where it's due, and as I said, I am absolutely happy with his decision on this. I just don't think it means as much for DeWine's leadership overall, or hope for the Republican Party. This to me is a situation of the broken clock being right twice a day. Even Trump managed to do one or two things right.

I do agree, though, that we have to take the wins we get and do as much as we can to do more to wrestle control away from the extremists at the local, state and national levels. I wish the Left in general were more united on this than they are. 

15 hours ago, jonoh81 said:

 

Doing the bare minimum right thing once in a blue moon does not absolve DeWine anymore than it does any other Republican. We're still talking about the guy who enthusiastically signed the Heartbeat bill. I'm glad this happened, but he's still objectively terrible on like 95% of issues. The bar is so low with Republicans, that anytime they stumble onto doing the right thing, you all expect medals to be handed out. Not actively supporting legislation that would cause trans kids to kill themselves shouldn't be a difficult choice.

I forgot, there is no moral redemption for any Republican in your view. All their babies must die a horrible death to atone for the evils of daring to disagree with your political opinions. As you have pointed out in the past, it is morally responsible to leave a pregnant woman on the side of the road to rot if she happens to be a Republican. 

These days, perhaps. MAGA is an evil cult and fully intertwined with conservative/Republican identity. I don't see how a person could ally with those deplorables and not be one.

6 minutes ago, TBideon said:

These days, perhaps. MAGA is an evil cult and fully intertwined with conservative/Republican identity. I don't see how a person could ally with those deplorables and not be one.

I dont think Dewine is deplorable. I think if you ask the majority of Ohioans they would not feel he is deplorable either. In fact, if you ask a rational and reasonable person on the street, they would not say he is deplorable either.  So, while a few irrational, frothing at the mouth, fire breathing progressives may feel that anyone who may not agree with the progressive agenda is deplorable, the rational thinking public would likely disagree and urge them to look in a mirror.