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  • ColDayMan
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    This year's list still has Ohio in 5th place for most Fortune 500 with 27.  The loss of Macy's to New York didn't change the list at all, really.   Ohio 16. Cardinal Health - $145,534

  • DarkandStormy
    DarkandStormy

    Ohio 16. Cardinal Health - $145,534 22. Marathon Petroleum  - $124,813 23. Kroger - $122,286 50. Procter & Gamble - $67,684 74. Nationwide - $43,982 86. Progressive -

  • ColDayMan
    ColDayMan

    The 2022 list is out.  Ohio does great, as always (#5 in the country) with 25.  Only Texas, New York, California, and Illinois have more.   Ohio 15. Cardinal Health 19. Marathon Pe

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23 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said:

https://www.50pros.com/fortune500

 

It is, indeed, that time of year again.

 

24 Ohio companies have made the Fortune 500 for 2023.

Ohio is guaranteed to add at least one more next year with GE joining the list. 

Well, Cincinnati lost two and Cleveland is in the process of losing one.  But still, not bad and Mentor actually gained a Fortune 500 and Cincinnati will next year with GE Aerospace (which would've been #155 this year).  We're tied with Virginia with 24 companies.

 

Cincinnati MSA

24. Kroger

51. Procter & Gamble

314. Western & Southern Financial Group

411. Fifth Third Bancorp

473. Cintas

 

Columbus MSA

14. Cardinal Health

83. Nationwide

205. American Electric Power

466. Huntington Bancshares

482. Bath & Body Works

 

Cleveland MSA

88. Progressive

170. Cleveland-Cliffs

178. Sherwin-Williams

261. Parker-Hannifin

372. TravelCenters of America

421. Avery Dennison

459. KeyCorp

 

Akron MSA

191. Goodyear Tire & Rubber

343. FirstEnergy

 

Toledo MSA

239. Andersons

387. Dana

395. Owens Corning

 

Findlay μSA

16. Marathon Petroleum

 

Wooster μSA

465. J.M. Smucker

 

Top F500 10 States

1. Texas - 55

2. California - 53

3. New York - 50

4. Illinois - 33

5. (tie) Ohio - 24

5. (tie) Virginia - 24

7. (tie )Florida - 23

7. (tie) Pennsylvania - 23

9. Georgia - 19

10. Michigan - 18

"You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers

Cincinnati Financial jumps on and off the list. After several years on, they are off this year, but we'll see them again.

  

17 minutes ago, aderwent said:

Fortune 500 Companies for 2023:

 

14 Cardinal Health ($181b) - Dublin (Columbus)

16 Marathon Petroleum ($180b) - Findlay (Toledo)

24 Kroger ($148b) - Cincinnati

51 Procter & Gamble ($80b) - Cincinnati

83 Nationwide ($51b) - Columbus

88 Progressive ($50b) - Mayfield Village (Cleveland)

170 Cleveland-Cliffs ($23b) - Cleveland

178 Sherwin-Williams ($22b) - Cleveland

191 Goodyear Tire & Rubber ($21b) - Akron (Cleveland)

205 American Electric Power ($20b) - Columbus

239 Andersons ($17b) - Maumee (Toledo)

261 Parker-Hannifin ($16b) - Mayfield Heights (Cleveland)

314 Western & Southern Financial Group ($13b) - Cincinnati

343 FirstEnergy ($12b) - Akron (Cleveland)

372 TravelCenters of America ($11b) - Westlake (Cleveland)

387 Dana ($10b) - Maumee (Toledo)

395 Owens Corning ($10b) - Toledo

411 Fifth Third Bancorp ($9b) - Cincinnati

421 Avery Dennison ($9b) - Mentor (Cleveland)

459 KeyCorp ($8b) - Cleveland

465 J.M. Smucker ($8b) - Orrville (Wooster)

466 Huntington Bancshares ($8b) - Columbus

473 Cintas ($8b) - Mason (Cincinnati)

482 Bath & Body Works ($8b) - Columbus

Compared to market capitalization:

 

Cardinal Health - 14 vs 334 - $181b vs $21b

Marathon Petroleum - 16 vs 164 - $180b vs $47b

Kroger - 24 vs 247 - $148b vs $37b

Procter & Gamble - 51 vs 17 - $80b vs $340b

Nationwide - N/A (private)

Progressive - 88 vs 96 - $50b vs $75b

Cleveland-Cliffs - 170 vs 657 - $23b vs $8b

Sherwin-Williams - 178 vs 122 - $22b vs $62b

Goodyear Tire & Rubber - 191 vs 1,074 - $21b vs $4b

American Electric Power - 205 vs 181 - $20b vs $43b

Andersons - 239 vs 1,712 - $17b vs $1b

Parker-Hannifin 261 vs 176 - $16b vs $44b

Western & Southern Financial Group - N/A (private)

FirstEnergy - 343 vs 330 - $12b vs $22b

TravelCenters of America - 372 vs 1,766 - $11b vs $1b

Dana - 387 vs 1,482 - $10b vs $2b

Owens Corning - 395 vs 560 - $10b vs $10b

Fifth Third Bancorp - 411 vs 369 - $9b vs $18b

Avery Dennison - 421 vs 459 - $9b vs $14b

KeyCorp - 459 vs 581 - $8b vs $10b

J.M. Smucker - 465 vs 421 - $8b vs $16b

Huntington Bancshares - 466 vs 407 - $8b vs $16b

Cintas - 473 vs 152 - $8b vs $49b

Bath & Body Works - 482 vs 611 - $8b vs $9b

 

21 minutes ago, aderwent said:

  

Compared to market capitalization:

 

That's an interesting comparison.  If ranked by market cap, the list looks very different. Some companies are added and some are dropped entirely.

Remember: It's the Year of the Snake

Seems at least possible Medpace will jump into the 1000 next year with 1.5B in revenue in 2022 and 24%YOY revenue growth (6.8B market cap). Any other growth companies poised to join Ohio’s 1000? 

Very surprised that Timken is not a fortune 500 company. Of course, I left Ohio 20 yrs. ago, so I may not be that informed on Timken's present status.

On 5/25/2022 at 9:54 AM, DarkandStormy said:

If ~$2.1 bn in annual revenue is the cutoff for the Fortune 1000 next year, I'll be interested to see if my current (hopefully soon-to-be former) employer makes the list.  Columbus-based.  I'll circle back to this post next year.  We are already at $2.1bn TTM revs and probably on pace to end FY22 over $2.5bn if I had to guess.

 

Indeed, my now-ex-employer has made the Fortune 1000.

Very Stable Genius

2 hours ago, ColDayMan said:

Well, Cincinnati lost two and Cleveland is in the process of losing one.  But still, not bad and Mentor actually gained a Fortune 500 and Cincinnati will next year with GE Aerospace (which would've been #155 this year).  We're tied with Virginia with 24 companies.

 

Cincinnati MSA

24. Kroger

51. Procter & Gamble

314. Western & Southern Financial Group

411. Fifth Third Bancorp

473. Cintas

 

Columbus MSA

14. Cardinal Health

83. Nationwide

205. American Electric Power

466. Huntington Bancshares

482. Bath & Body Works

 

Cleveland MSA

88. Progressive

170. Cleveland-Cliffs

178. Sherwin-Williams

261. Parker-Hannifin

372. TravelCenters of America

421. Avery Dennison

459. KeyCorp

 

Akron MSA

191. Goodyear Tire & Rubber

343. FirstEnergy

 

Toledo MSA

239. Andersons

387. Dana

395. Owens Corning

 

Findlay μSA

16. Marathon Petroleum

 

Wooster μSA

465. J.M. Smucker

 

Top F500 10 States

1. Texas - 55

2. California - 53

3. New York - 50

4. Illinois - 33

5. (tie) Ohio - 24

5. (tie) Virginia - 24

7. (tie )Florida - 23

7. (tie) Pennsylvania - 23

9. Georgia - 19

10. Michigan - 18

Someone want to be a hero and do this but with the Fortune 1000?

Ohio Fortune 1000 Companies, by MSA:

 

Cincinnati MSA (8)

24. Kroger

51. Procter & Gamble

314. Western & Southern Financial Group

411. Fifth Third Bancorp

473. Cintas

510. American Financial Group

534. Cincinnati Financial

994. E.W. Scripps

 

Columbus MSA (19)

14. Cardinal Health

83. Nationwide

205. American Electric Power

466. Huntington Bancshares

482. Bath & Body Works

549. Greif

550. Victoria's Secret

597. Vertiv Holdings

609. Big Lots

629. Worthington Industries

706. Franchise Group

714. Bread Financial Holdings

729. M/I Homes

756. Scotts Miracle-Gro

758. Mettler Toledo International

789. Abercrombie & Fitch

849. Designer Brands

930. Advanced Drainage Systems

950. Installed Building Products

 

Cleveland MSA (16)

88. Progressive

170. Cleveland-Cliffs

178. Sherwin-Williams

261. Parker-Hannifin

372. TravelCenters of America

421. Avery Dennison

459. KeyCorp

526. RPM International

613. TransDigm Group

669. Avient

770. Applied Industrial Technologies

777. Lincoln Electric Holdings

813. Hyster-Yale Materials Handling

823. Medical Mutual of Ohio

969. Nordson

974. Olympic Steel

 

Akron MSA (2)

191. Goodyear Tire & Rubber

343. FirstEnergy

 

Toledo MSA (5)

239. Andersons

387. Dana

395. Owens Corning

519. O-I Glass

583. Welltower

 

Findlay MSA (1)

16. Marathon Petroleum

 

Wooster MSA (1)

465. J.M. Smucker

 

Canton-Massillon MSA (2)

696. Timken

829. Diebold-Nixdorf

 

54 Fortune 1000 companies by my count.

 

-New entrants are Advanced Drainage Systems (930) and Installed Building Products (950).

-Cincinnati Financial (-167), Scotts Miracle-Gro (-140), and Diebold-Nixdorf (-125) all dropped over 100 spots.

-Worthington Industries (+177) was the only mover up over 100 spots as they saw their revenues rise more than 65% YoY.

-Someone can cross reference this, but I believe we lost Joann, Ohio National Mutual, and Chemed out of the Fortune 1000.

Very Stable Genius

I thought American Greetings was in Fortune 1000, but they must have slipped down.

5 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said:

I thought American Greetings was in Fortune 1000, but they must have slipped down.

American Greetings is now privately held so they do not release financial info. 

Diebold Nixdorf's headquarters is now in Hudson; so they are an Akland or maybe Cleveron company.

Remember: It's the Year of the Snake

1 hour ago, Dougal said:

Diebold Nixdorf's headquarters is now in Hudson; so they are an Akland or maybe Cleveron company.

Even before the relocation, the old headquarters was in southern Summit County, but since it had a North Canton mailing address it seems like most people lumped it in with Canton. That isn't exactly wrong considering it was across the street diagonally from Timken's HQ, which is in Stark County.

First Energy is moving out of downtown Akron but apparently will still be in the Akron area.

 

Toledo is impressive with three in Fortune 500 and two more not far behind at 519 and 583.

 

Edited by LibertyBlvd

  • 1 month later...

Cross-posted from the Cleveland suburban developments thread.....

 

Just now, KJP said:

Progressive-Campus-2-Sept2022.jpg

 

Progressive’s office spaces to be slashed
By Ken Prendergast / July 26, 2023

 

All Progressive Insurance employees received a notice this morning announcing that, due to remote working, the company would be slashing the square footage of active office spaces and attempt to sell or lease those it will no longer occupy. As a result, about 850 employees who continue to work in the office will be consolidated into the company’s Campus 2, 300 North Commons Blvd. It will also move the corporate headquarters from Campus 1, 6300 Wilson Mills Rd., but remain in Mayfield Village.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blog/2023/07/26/progressives-office-spaces-to-be-slashed/

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

  • 2 months later...

Three Ohio companies made the Fortune list of the 100 fastest growing companies.  Ranked in order of sales,  they are:

 

Advanced Drainage Systems - $3.1 billion - Hilliard

Olympic Steel - $2.4 billion - Cleveland

Rex American Resources - $873 million - Dayton

 

https://fortune.com/ranking/100-fastest-growing-companies/2023/search/?hqstate=Ohio

 

 

Remember: It's the Year of the Snake

  • 2 weeks later...
37 minutes ago, Dougal said:

Transdigm is forecasting $7.5 billion in revenues; they might just squeak into the F500 with that number. If not, they'll be very close.

 

https://www.crainscleveland.com/manufacturing/transdigms-14b-acquisition-bolsters-aircraft-aftermarket-business

Cleveland would look much better in the rankings if we included "Irish-domiciled" entities.  Off the top of my head, Eaton would be on the list and potential Steris?

  • 1 month later...

TransDigm stock closed slightly above $1,000 today.  I keep thinking they will take a pause, but they don't. 

Remember: It's the Year of the Snake

  • 5 months later...

2024 Fortune 500 list is out and, as always, Ohio did well with 27 (#5 on the list of states). 

 

https://fortune.com/ranking/fortune500/2024/search/?statename=Ohio

 

Cincinnati MSA - 7 (Does not include GE Aerospace...so in reality, 8)
Cleveland MSA - 7
Columbus MSA - 5
Toledo MSA - 4 
Akron MSA - 2
Findlay MSA - 1
Wooster MSA - 1

 

Toledo continues to impress!

"You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers

13 minutes ago, ColDayMan said:

2024 Fortune 500 list is out and, as always, Ohio did well with 27 (#5 on the list of states). 

 

https://fortune.com/ranking/fortune500/2024/search/?statename=Ohio

 

Cincinnati MSA - 7 (Does not include GE Aerospace...so in reality, 8)
Cleveland MSA - 7
Columbus MSA - 5
Toledo MSA - 4 
Akron MSA - 2
Findlay MSA - 1
Wooster MSA - 1

 

Toledo continues to impress!

Aren't there also a number of Cleveland firms that are "headquartered" elsewhere but really in Cleveland (e.g., Steris)?

 

59 minutes ago, Chazz Michael Michaels said:

Aren't there also a number of Cleveland firms that are "headquartered" elsewhere but really in Cleveland (e.g., Steris)?

 

I believe Steris and Eaton are the only two.  Not sure where Steris ranks.

Here are the 2024 Fortune 500 companies by city and rank:

 

Cleveland - 9

62 Progressive

176 Sherwin-Williams

185 Cleveland-Cliffs

204 Goodyear Tire & Rubber

216 Parker-Hannifin

331 FirstEnergy

386 KeyCorp

450 Avery Dennison

492 RPM International

 

Cincinnati - 7

25 Kroger

50 Procter & Gamble

284 Western & Southern Financial Group

321 Fifth Third Bancorp

393 Cincinnati Financial

437 Cintas

470 American Financial Group

 

Columbus, OH - 5

14 Cardinal Health

75 Nationwide

217 American Electric Power

375 Huntington Bancshares

481 Bath & Body Works

 

Toledo - 4

285 Andersons

379 Dana

407 Owens Corning

500 O-I Glass

 

Findlay - 1

24 Marathon Petroleum

 

Wooster - 1

446 J.M. Smucker 

Fortune's ranking is based on revenue.  Crain's recently published a list based on market capitalization - what the stock is worth.  Crain's whole  list of 54 NEO companies looks a bit different - 30 of them are worth a billion or more; and apparently they consider Dublin a suburb.

 

Crain's top ten - all figures in truncated billions:

1.  Eaton - $127.2

2. Progressive - $121.9

3. Sherwin-Williams - $75.9

4. Parker Hannifin - $69.9

5. Transdigm - $69.3

6. First Energy - $22.0

7. Steris - $20.2

8. Avery Dennison - $17.5

9. Nordson - $14.7

10. RPM - $13.7

etc.

Remember: It's the Year of the Snake

10 hours ago, Dougal said:

Fortune's ranking is based on revenue.  Crain's recently published a list based on market capitalization - what the stock is worth.  Crain's whole  list of 54 NEO companies looks a bit different - 30 of them are worth a billion or more; and apparently they consider Dublin a suburb.

 

Crain's top ten - all figures in truncated billions:

1.  Eaton - $127.2

2. Progressive - $121.9

3. Sherwin-Williams - $75.9

4. Parker Hannifin - $69.9

5. Transdigm - $69.3

6. First Energy - $22.0

7. Steris - $20.2

8. Avery Dennison - $17.5

9. Nordson - $14.7

10. RPM - $13.7

etc.

 

Stock value isn't always truly telling of a company's real value. Based on market capitalization, wasn't Tesla recently worth like 200-300 times Ford and GM combined, despite producing far fewer cars worldwide? I like the use of revenue for the rankings---which is what Fortune does. The Center for Cleveland shows the revenue numbers for each of the Cleveland F500 firms.  https://www.centerforcleveland.org/news

An understandable omission from the lists: The Cleveland Clinic. Just using the quick google info, their revenue was 14 billion last year. That is just a bit higher than Parker Hannifin. 

13 hours ago, Gabriel said:

Here are the 2024 Fortune 500 companies by city and rank:

 

Cleveland - 9

62 Progressive

176 Sherwin-Williams

185 Cleveland-Cliffs

204 Goodyear Tire & Rubber

216 Parker-Hannifin

331 FirstEnergy

386 KeyCorp

450 Avery Dennison

492 RPM International

 

Cincinnati - 7

25 Kroger

50 Procter & Gamble

284 Western & Southern Financial Group

321 Fifth Third Bancorp

393 Cincinnati Financial

437 Cintas

470 American Financial Group

 

Columbus, OH - 5

14 Cardinal Health

75 Nationwide

217 American Electric Power

375 Huntington Bancshares

481 Bath & Body Works

 

Toledo - 4

285 Andersons

379 Dana

407 Owens Corning

500 O-I Glass

 

Findlay - 1

24 Marathon Petroleum

 

Wooster - 1

446 J.M. Smucker 

 

Are First Energy and Goodyear not in Akron?  (Or did Cleveland and Akron get grouped for MSA purposes?) 

54 minutes ago, originaljbw said:

An understandable omission from the lists: The Cleveland Clinic. Just using the quick google info, their revenue was 14 billion last year. That is just a bit higher than Parker Hannifin. 

 

Good point! That would put them here:

 

216 Parker-Hannifin - $19.1B
331 FirstEnergy - $12.5B

1 minute ago, jdm00 said:

 

Are First Energy and Goodyear not in Akron?  (Or did Cleveland and Akron get grouped for MSA purposes?) 

 

Yeah, they're in Akron, but Akron (and all of Summit and Portage Counties) are part of Metropolitan Cleveland, which is the two MSAs to use government-speak.

2 hours ago, Gabriel said:

 

Stock value isn't always truly telling of a company's real value. Based on market capitalization, wasn't Tesla recently worth like 200-300 times Ford and GM combined, despite producing far fewer cars worldwide? I like the use of revenue for the rankings---which is what Fortune does. The Center for Cleveland shows the revenue numbers for each of the Cleveland F500 firms.  https://www.centerforcleveland.org/news

 

Revenue rankings are fine as a snapshot of December 31, 2023. Stock values are said to reflect the expectation of future earnings; it's just another way of looking at it. 

Remember: It's the Year of the Snake

24 minutes ago, Dougal said:

 

Revenue rankings are fine as a snapshot of December 31, 2023. Stock values are said to reflect the expectation of future earnings; it's just another way of looking at it. 

 

"Stock values are said to reflect the expectation of future earnings"    

 

or hype.  Tesla, WeWork, etc....

Value/worth are pretty funky words in general. If I sell my million dollar home to you for a $500,000, is it worth half a million dollars or twice that?

 

If the US economy is $34 trillion in debt compared to its 26 trillion dollar GDP, is it worth -$8 trillion? 

 

If I have $1 million in stocks frozen due to litigation and $100,000 in the bank, am I worth $1.1 million? $100,000? 

 

It's all a bit subjective and semantic'y.

 

No real point - just waiting for the Guardians game honestly. 

 

Edited by TBideon

1 hour ago, jdm00 said:

 

Are First Energy and Goodyear not in Akron?  (Or did Cleveland and Akron get grouped for MSA purposes?) 

 

I'm more intrigued by putting ", OH" to Columbus when this is an Ohio F500 list.

"You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers

All things considered our major cities in regions do alright when it comes to the fortune rankings, infact so does little old Toledo. Of course there are companies due to private ownership and other things such as legal domiciles/registered offices etc being abroad that they don't show, but otherwise it's a good barometer of a cities corporate climate I feel.

 

KC you could say is a peer to all three of the big Ohio cities and we only have one f500 company (in the 400s and falling) and another four in the f1000. 

Edited by snakebite

On 6/4/2024 at 11:26 PM, Gabriel said:

Here are the 2024 Fortune 500 companies by city and rank:

 

Cleveland - 9

62 Progressive

176 Sherwin-Williams

185 Cleveland-Cliffs

204 Goodyear Tire & Rubber

216 Parker-Hannifin

331 FirstEnergy

386 KeyCorp

450 Avery Dennison

492 RPM International

 

Cincinnati - 7

25 Kroger

50 Procter & Gamble

284 Western & Southern Financial Group

321 Fifth Third Bancorp

393 Cincinnati Financial

437 Cintas

470 American Financial Group

 

Columbus, OH - 5

14 Cardinal Health

75 Nationwide

217 American Electric Power

375 Huntington Bancshares

481 Bath & Body Works

 

Toledo - 4

285 Andersons

379 Dana

407 Owens Corning

500 O-I Glass

 

Findlay - 1

24 Marathon Petroleum

 

Wooster - 1

446 J.M. Smucker 

 

By city, First Energy and Goodyear is in Akron not Cleveland.

34 minutes ago, vulcana said:

By city, First Energy and Goodyear is in Akron not Cleveland.

Akron is in Cleveland MSA.

csa

28 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said:

Akron is in Cleveland MSA.

 

No it's not. We have this discussion every few months it seems. Akron is a separate MSA, just like Dayton is not in the Cincinnati MSA.

Top ten Cincinnati MSA companies by revenue. Includes GE Aerospace, which was not included in Fortune 500 this year but will be included next year. Also includes private companies TQL and RelaDyne.

 

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1 hour ago, DEPACincy said:

 

No it's not. We have this discussion every few months it seems. Akron is a separate MSA, just like Dayton is not in the Cincinnati MSA.

 

The Fortune 500 list by city IS NOT a list by MSA; its a list by city. Akron---and Lakewood--and Solon are all part of Metropolitan Cleveland. Metropolitan Cleveland is made up of two different MSA's thanks to bad US policy.

 

Akron is part of Metropolitan Cleveland, no question. Akron's economy and people are intertwined with the economy of Cleveland. People from Akron go to Cleveland restaurants, airports, sports events, concerts, etc. So the US Govt says that the Cleveland MSA must exclude parts of Metropolitan Cleveland doesn't mean we--who understand this region better than policy makers in DC---must blindly follow such nonsense. Akron is part of the Cleveland economy no question. 

7 minutes ago, Gabriel said:

 

The Fortune 500 list by city IS NOT a list by MSA; its a list by city. Akron---and Lakewood--and Solon are all part of Metropolitan Cleveland. Metropolitan Cleveland is made up of two different MSA's thanks to bad US policy.

 

Akron is part of Metropolitan Cleveland, no question. Akron's economy and people are intertwined with the economy of Cleveland. People from Akron go to Cleveland restaurants, airports, sports events, concerts, etc. So the US Govt says that the Cleveland MSA must exclude parts of Metropolitan Cleveland doesn't mean we--who understand this region better than policy makers in DC---must blindly follow such nonsense. Akron is part of the Cleveland economy no question. 

 

I've referred to what I call the "borderlands" in the past, suburbs like the Nordonia cluster, Twinsburg, Boston Heights, and even to a degree Walton Hills and Brecksville.   They are where the "two" MSAs blend so smoothly that these towns don't particularly identify with one city over the other.

1 hour ago, DEPACincy said:

 

No it's not. We have this discussion every few months it seems. Akron is a separate MSA, just like Dayton is not in the Cincinnati MSA.

You are absolutely right, no need to have that conversation again. Greater Akron is its own MSA and more aligned with Canton. And as a CSA it is Cleveland-Akron Canton.

2 hours ago, E Rocc said:

 

I've referred to what I call the "borderlands" in the past, suburbs like the Nordonia cluster, Twinsburg, Boston Heights, and even to a degree Walton Hills and Brecksville.   They are where the "two" MSAs blend so smoothly that these towns don't particularly identify with one city over the other.

 

 

Exactly why it makes no sense to splice up the Cleveland Fortune 500 list into sections---its all one big metro area!

On 6/7/2024 at 12:38 PM, Gabriel said:

 

The Fortune 500 list by city IS NOT a list by MSA; its a list by city. Akron---and Lakewood--and Solon are all part of Metropolitan Cleveland. Metropolitan Cleveland is made up of two different MSA's thanks to bad US policy.

 

Akron is part of Metropolitan Cleveland, no question. Akron's economy and people are intertwined with the economy of Cleveland. People from Akron go to Cleveland restaurants, airports, sports events, concerts, etc. So the US Govt says that the Cleveland MSA must exclude parts of Metropolitan Cleveland doesn't mean we--who understand this region better than policy makers in DC---must blindly follow such nonsense. Akron is part of the Cleveland economy no question. 

 

There's no such thing as Metropolitan Cleveland. You just made it up. There's the Cleveland MSA and the Akron MSA and both are part of the same CSA.

On 6/7/2024 at 12:48 PM, E Rocc said:

 

I've referred to what I call the "borderlands" in the past, suburbs like the Nordonia cluster, Twinsburg, Boston Heights, and even to a degree Walton Hills and Brecksville.   They are where the "two" MSAs blend so smoothly that these towns don't particularly identify with one city over the other.

 

And places like Middletown, Springboro, and Monroe identify with both Cincinnati and Dayton. But this is irrelevant to the MSA conversation because there is a standard definition that they use for every city.

I don't think I've actually seen/heard the phrase "Metropolitan Cleveland" before this.  I thought most of our NE Ohio folks called it "NEO" or "Greater Cleveland" when talking about the CSA.  (Though I could be remembering that wrong.)  

11 minutes ago, jdm00 said:

I don't think I've actually seen/heard the phrase "Metropolitan Cleveland" before this.  I thought most of our NE Ohio folks called it "NEO" or "Greater Cleveland" when talking about the CSA.  (Though I could be remembering that wrong.)  

Yeah, Greater Cleveland is the correct term, hence "Greater Cleveland Partnership," etc.

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