June 6, 20232 yr https://www.50pros.com/fortune500 It is, indeed, that time of year again. 24 Ohio companies have made the Fortune 500 for 2023. Very Stable Genius
June 6, 20232 yr 23 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said: https://www.50pros.com/fortune500 It is, indeed, that time of year again. 24 Ohio companies have made the Fortune 500 for 2023. Ohio is guaranteed to add at least one more next year with GE joining the list.
June 6, 20232 yr Well, Cincinnati lost two and Cleveland is in the process of losing one. But still, not bad and Mentor actually gained a Fortune 500 and Cincinnati will next year with GE Aerospace (which would've been #155 this year). We're tied with Virginia with 24 companies. Cincinnati MSA 24. Kroger 51. Procter & Gamble 314. Western & Southern Financial Group 411. Fifth Third Bancorp 473. Cintas Columbus MSA 14. Cardinal Health 83. Nationwide 205. American Electric Power 466. Huntington Bancshares 482. Bath & Body Works Cleveland MSA 88. Progressive 170. Cleveland-Cliffs 178. Sherwin-Williams 261. Parker-Hannifin 372. TravelCenters of America 421. Avery Dennison 459. KeyCorp Akron MSA 191. Goodyear Tire & Rubber 343. FirstEnergy Toledo MSA 239. Andersons 387. Dana 395. Owens Corning Findlay μSA 16. Marathon Petroleum Wooster μSA 465. J.M. Smucker Top F500 10 States 1. Texas - 55 2. California - 53 3. New York - 50 4. Illinois - 33 5. (tie) Ohio - 24 5. (tie) Virginia - 24 7. (tie )Florida - 23 7. (tie) Pennsylvania - 23 9. Georgia - 19 10. Michigan - 18 "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
June 6, 20232 yr Cincinnati Financial jumps on and off the list. After several years on, they are off this year, but we'll see them again.
June 6, 20232 yr 17 minutes ago, aderwent said: Fortune 500 Companies for 2023: 14 Cardinal Health ($181b) - Dublin (Columbus) 16 Marathon Petroleum ($180b) - Findlay (Toledo) 24 Kroger ($148b) - Cincinnati 51 Procter & Gamble ($80b) - Cincinnati 83 Nationwide ($51b) - Columbus 88 Progressive ($50b) - Mayfield Village (Cleveland) 170 Cleveland-Cliffs ($23b) - Cleveland 178 Sherwin-Williams ($22b) - Cleveland 191 Goodyear Tire & Rubber ($21b) - Akron (Cleveland) 205 American Electric Power ($20b) - Columbus 239 Andersons ($17b) - Maumee (Toledo) 261 Parker-Hannifin ($16b) - Mayfield Heights (Cleveland) 314 Western & Southern Financial Group ($13b) - Cincinnati 343 FirstEnergy ($12b) - Akron (Cleveland) 372 TravelCenters of America ($11b) - Westlake (Cleveland) 387 Dana ($10b) - Maumee (Toledo) 395 Owens Corning ($10b) - Toledo 411 Fifth Third Bancorp ($9b) - Cincinnati 421 Avery Dennison ($9b) - Mentor (Cleveland) 459 KeyCorp ($8b) - Cleveland 465 J.M. Smucker ($8b) - Orrville (Wooster) 466 Huntington Bancshares ($8b) - Columbus 473 Cintas ($8b) - Mason (Cincinnati) 482 Bath & Body Works ($8b) - Columbus Compared to market capitalization: Cardinal Health - 14 vs 334 - $181b vs $21b Marathon Petroleum - 16 vs 164 - $180b vs $47b Kroger - 24 vs 247 - $148b vs $37b Procter & Gamble - 51 vs 17 - $80b vs $340b Nationwide - N/A (private) Progressive - 88 vs 96 - $50b vs $75b Cleveland-Cliffs - 170 vs 657 - $23b vs $8b Sherwin-Williams - 178 vs 122 - $22b vs $62b Goodyear Tire & Rubber - 191 vs 1,074 - $21b vs $4b American Electric Power - 205 vs 181 - $20b vs $43b Andersons - 239 vs 1,712 - $17b vs $1b Parker-Hannifin 261 vs 176 - $16b vs $44b Western & Southern Financial Group - N/A (private) FirstEnergy - 343 vs 330 - $12b vs $22b TravelCenters of America - 372 vs 1,766 - $11b vs $1b Dana - 387 vs 1,482 - $10b vs $2b Owens Corning - 395 vs 560 - $10b vs $10b Fifth Third Bancorp - 411 vs 369 - $9b vs $18b Avery Dennison - 421 vs 459 - $9b vs $14b KeyCorp - 459 vs 581 - $8b vs $10b J.M. Smucker - 465 vs 421 - $8b vs $16b Huntington Bancshares - 466 vs 407 - $8b vs $16b Cintas - 473 vs 152 - $8b vs $49b Bath & Body Works - 482 vs 611 - $8b vs $9b
June 6, 20232 yr 21 minutes ago, aderwent said: Compared to market capitalization: That's an interesting comparison. If ranked by market cap, the list looks very different. Some companies are added and some are dropped entirely. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
June 6, 20232 yr Seems at least possible Medpace will jump into the 1000 next year with 1.5B in revenue in 2022 and 24%YOY revenue growth (6.8B market cap). Any other growth companies poised to join Ohio’s 1000?
June 6, 20232 yr Very surprised that Timken is not a fortune 500 company. Of course, I left Ohio 20 yrs. ago, so I may not be that informed on Timken's present status.
June 6, 20232 yr On 5/25/2022 at 9:54 AM, DarkandStormy said: If ~$2.1 bn in annual revenue is the cutoff for the Fortune 1000 next year, I'll be interested to see if my current (hopefully soon-to-be former) employer makes the list. Columbus-based. I'll circle back to this post next year. We are already at $2.1bn TTM revs and probably on pace to end FY22 over $2.5bn if I had to guess. Indeed, my now-ex-employer has made the Fortune 1000. Very Stable Genius
June 6, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, ColDayMan said: Well, Cincinnati lost two and Cleveland is in the process of losing one. But still, not bad and Mentor actually gained a Fortune 500 and Cincinnati will next year with GE Aerospace (which would've been #155 this year). We're tied with Virginia with 24 companies. Cincinnati MSA 24. Kroger 51. Procter & Gamble 314. Western & Southern Financial Group 411. Fifth Third Bancorp 473. Cintas Columbus MSA 14. Cardinal Health 83. Nationwide 205. American Electric Power 466. Huntington Bancshares 482. Bath & Body Works Cleveland MSA 88. Progressive 170. Cleveland-Cliffs 178. Sherwin-Williams 261. Parker-Hannifin 372. TravelCenters of America 421. Avery Dennison 459. KeyCorp Akron MSA 191. Goodyear Tire & Rubber 343. FirstEnergy Toledo MSA 239. Andersons 387. Dana 395. Owens Corning Findlay μSA 16. Marathon Petroleum Wooster μSA 465. J.M. Smucker Top F500 10 States 1. Texas - 55 2. California - 53 3. New York - 50 4. Illinois - 33 5. (tie) Ohio - 24 5. (tie) Virginia - 24 7. (tie )Florida - 23 7. (tie) Pennsylvania - 23 9. Georgia - 19 10. Michigan - 18 Someone want to be a hero and do this but with the Fortune 1000?
June 6, 20232 yr Ohio Fortune 1000 Companies, by MSA: Cincinnati MSA (8) 24. Kroger 51. Procter & Gamble 314. Western & Southern Financial Group 411. Fifth Third Bancorp 473. Cintas 510. American Financial Group 534. Cincinnati Financial 994. E.W. Scripps Columbus MSA (19) 14. Cardinal Health 83. Nationwide 205. American Electric Power 466. Huntington Bancshares 482. Bath & Body Works 549. Greif 550. Victoria's Secret 597. Vertiv Holdings 609. Big Lots 629. Worthington Industries 706. Franchise Group 714. Bread Financial Holdings 729. M/I Homes 756. Scotts Miracle-Gro 758. Mettler Toledo International 789. Abercrombie & Fitch 849. Designer Brands 930. Advanced Drainage Systems 950. Installed Building Products Cleveland MSA (16) 88. Progressive 170. Cleveland-Cliffs 178. Sherwin-Williams 261. Parker-Hannifin 372. TravelCenters of America 421. Avery Dennison 459. KeyCorp 526. RPM International 613. TransDigm Group 669. Avient 770. Applied Industrial Technologies 777. Lincoln Electric Holdings 813. Hyster-Yale Materials Handling 823. Medical Mutual of Ohio 969. Nordson 974. Olympic Steel Akron MSA (2) 191. Goodyear Tire & Rubber 343. FirstEnergy Toledo MSA (5) 239. Andersons 387. Dana 395. Owens Corning 519. O-I Glass 583. Welltower Findlay MSA (1) 16. Marathon Petroleum Wooster MSA (1) 465. J.M. Smucker Canton-Massillon MSA (2) 696. Timken 829. Diebold-Nixdorf 54 Fortune 1000 companies by my count. -New entrants are Advanced Drainage Systems (930) and Installed Building Products (950). -Cincinnati Financial (-167), Scotts Miracle-Gro (-140), and Diebold-Nixdorf (-125) all dropped over 100 spots. -Worthington Industries (+177) was the only mover up over 100 spots as they saw their revenues rise more than 65% YoY. -Someone can cross reference this, but I believe we lost Joann, Ohio National Mutual, and Chemed out of the Fortune 1000. Very Stable Genius
June 6, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said: I thought American Greetings was in Fortune 1000, but they must have slipped down. American Greetings is now privately held so they do not release financial info.
June 6, 20232 yr Diebold Nixdorf's headquarters is now in Hudson; so they are an Akland or maybe Cleveron company. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
June 6, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Dougal said: Diebold Nixdorf's headquarters is now in Hudson; so they are an Akland or maybe Cleveron company. Even before the relocation, the old headquarters was in southern Summit County, but since it had a North Canton mailing address it seems like most people lumped it in with Canton. That isn't exactly wrong considering it was across the street diagonally from Timken's HQ, which is in Stark County.
June 6, 20232 yr First Energy is moving out of downtown Akron but apparently will still be in the Akron area. Toledo is impressive with three in Fortune 500 and two more not far behind at 519 and 583. Edited June 6, 20232 yr by LibertyBlvd
July 26, 20231 yr Cross-posted from the Cleveland suburban developments thread..... Just now, KJP said: Progressive’s office spaces to be slashed By Ken Prendergast / July 26, 2023 All Progressive Insurance employees received a notice this morning announcing that, due to remote working, the company would be slashing the square footage of active office spaces and attempt to sell or lease those it will no longer occupy. As a result, about 850 employees who continue to work in the office will be consolidated into the company’s Campus 2, 300 North Commons Blvd. It will also move the corporate headquarters from Campus 1, 6300 Wilson Mills Rd., but remain in Mayfield Village. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2023/07/26/progressives-office-spaces-to-be-slashed/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 26, 20231 yr Three Ohio companies made the Fortune list of the 100 fastest growing companies. Ranked in order of sales, they are: Advanced Drainage Systems - $3.1 billion - Hilliard Olympic Steel - $2.4 billion - Cleveland Rex American Resources - $873 million - Dayton https://fortune.com/ranking/100-fastest-growing-companies/2023/search/?hqstate=Ohio Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
November 9, 20231 yr Transdigm is forecasting $7.5 billion in revenues; they might just squeak into the F500 with that number. If not, they'll be very close. https://www.crainscleveland.com/manufacturing/transdigms-14b-acquisition-bolsters-aircraft-aftermarket-business Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
November 9, 20231 yr 37 minutes ago, Dougal said: Transdigm is forecasting $7.5 billion in revenues; they might just squeak into the F500 with that number. If not, they'll be very close. https://www.crainscleveland.com/manufacturing/transdigms-14b-acquisition-bolsters-aircraft-aftermarket-business Cleveland would look much better in the rankings if we included "Irish-domiciled" entities. Off the top of my head, Eaton would be on the list and potential Steris?
December 12, 20231 yr TransDigm stock closed slightly above $1,000 today. I keep thinking they will take a pause, but they don't. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
June 4, 20241 yr 2024 Fortune 500 list is out and, as always, Ohio did well with 27 (#5 on the list of states). https://fortune.com/ranking/fortune500/2024/search/?statename=Ohio Cincinnati MSA - 7 (Does not include GE Aerospace...so in reality, 8) Cleveland MSA - 7 Columbus MSA - 5 Toledo MSA - 4 Akron MSA - 2 Findlay MSA - 1 Wooster MSA - 1 Toledo continues to impress! "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
June 4, 20241 yr 13 minutes ago, ColDayMan said: 2024 Fortune 500 list is out and, as always, Ohio did well with 27 (#5 on the list of states). https://fortune.com/ranking/fortune500/2024/search/?statename=Ohio Cincinnati MSA - 7 (Does not include GE Aerospace...so in reality, 8) Cleveland MSA - 7 Columbus MSA - 5 Toledo MSA - 4 Akron MSA - 2 Findlay MSA - 1 Wooster MSA - 1 Toledo continues to impress! Aren't there also a number of Cleveland firms that are "headquartered" elsewhere but really in Cleveland (e.g., Steris)?
June 4, 20241 yr 59 minutes ago, Chazz Michael Michaels said: Aren't there also a number of Cleveland firms that are "headquartered" elsewhere but really in Cleveland (e.g., Steris)? I believe Steris and Eaton are the only two. Not sure where Steris ranks.
June 5, 20241 yr Here are the 2024 Fortune 500 companies by city and rank: Cleveland - 9 62 Progressive 176 Sherwin-Williams 185 Cleveland-Cliffs 204 Goodyear Tire & Rubber 216 Parker-Hannifin 331 FirstEnergy 386 KeyCorp 450 Avery Dennison 492 RPM International Cincinnati - 7 25 Kroger 50 Procter & Gamble 284 Western & Southern Financial Group 321 Fifth Third Bancorp 393 Cincinnati Financial 437 Cintas 470 American Financial Group Columbus, OH - 5 14 Cardinal Health 75 Nationwide 217 American Electric Power 375 Huntington Bancshares 481 Bath & Body Works Toledo - 4 285 Andersons 379 Dana 407 Owens Corning 500 O-I Glass Findlay - 1 24 Marathon Petroleum Wooster - 1 446 J.M. Smucker
June 5, 20241 yr Fortune's ranking is based on revenue. Crain's recently published a list based on market capitalization - what the stock is worth. Crain's whole list of 54 NEO companies looks a bit different - 30 of them are worth a billion or more; and apparently they consider Dublin a suburb. Crain's top ten - all figures in truncated billions: 1. Eaton - $127.2 2. Progressive - $121.9 3. Sherwin-Williams - $75.9 4. Parker Hannifin - $69.9 5. Transdigm - $69.3 6. First Energy - $22.0 7. Steris - $20.2 8. Avery Dennison - $17.5 9. Nordson - $14.7 10. RPM - $13.7 etc. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
June 5, 20241 yr 10 hours ago, Dougal said: Fortune's ranking is based on revenue. Crain's recently published a list based on market capitalization - what the stock is worth. Crain's whole list of 54 NEO companies looks a bit different - 30 of them are worth a billion or more; and apparently they consider Dublin a suburb. Crain's top ten - all figures in truncated billions: 1. Eaton - $127.2 2. Progressive - $121.9 3. Sherwin-Williams - $75.9 4. Parker Hannifin - $69.9 5. Transdigm - $69.3 6. First Energy - $22.0 7. Steris - $20.2 8. Avery Dennison - $17.5 9. Nordson - $14.7 10. RPM - $13.7 etc. Stock value isn't always truly telling of a company's real value. Based on market capitalization, wasn't Tesla recently worth like 200-300 times Ford and GM combined, despite producing far fewer cars worldwide? I like the use of revenue for the rankings---which is what Fortune does. The Center for Cleveland shows the revenue numbers for each of the Cleveland F500 firms. https://www.centerforcleveland.org/news
June 5, 20241 yr An understandable omission from the lists: The Cleveland Clinic. Just using the quick google info, their revenue was 14 billion last year. That is just a bit higher than Parker Hannifin.
June 5, 20241 yr 13 hours ago, Gabriel said: Here are the 2024 Fortune 500 companies by city and rank: Cleveland - 9 62 Progressive 176 Sherwin-Williams 185 Cleveland-Cliffs 204 Goodyear Tire & Rubber 216 Parker-Hannifin 331 FirstEnergy 386 KeyCorp 450 Avery Dennison 492 RPM International Cincinnati - 7 25 Kroger 50 Procter & Gamble 284 Western & Southern Financial Group 321 Fifth Third Bancorp 393 Cincinnati Financial 437 Cintas 470 American Financial Group Columbus, OH - 5 14 Cardinal Health 75 Nationwide 217 American Electric Power 375 Huntington Bancshares 481 Bath & Body Works Toledo - 4 285 Andersons 379 Dana 407 Owens Corning 500 O-I Glass Findlay - 1 24 Marathon Petroleum Wooster - 1 446 J.M. Smucker Are First Energy and Goodyear not in Akron? (Or did Cleveland and Akron get grouped for MSA purposes?)
June 5, 20241 yr 54 minutes ago, originaljbw said: An understandable omission from the lists: The Cleveland Clinic. Just using the quick google info, their revenue was 14 billion last year. That is just a bit higher than Parker Hannifin. Good point! That would put them here: 216 Parker-Hannifin - $19.1B 331 FirstEnergy - $12.5B
June 5, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, jdm00 said: Are First Energy and Goodyear not in Akron? (Or did Cleveland and Akron get grouped for MSA purposes?) Yeah, they're in Akron, but Akron (and all of Summit and Portage Counties) are part of Metropolitan Cleveland, which is the two MSAs to use government-speak.
June 5, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, Gabriel said: Stock value isn't always truly telling of a company's real value. Based on market capitalization, wasn't Tesla recently worth like 200-300 times Ford and GM combined, despite producing far fewer cars worldwide? I like the use of revenue for the rankings---which is what Fortune does. The Center for Cleveland shows the revenue numbers for each of the Cleveland F500 firms. https://www.centerforcleveland.org/news Revenue rankings are fine as a snapshot of December 31, 2023. Stock values are said to reflect the expectation of future earnings; it's just another way of looking at it. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
June 5, 20241 yr 24 minutes ago, Dougal said: Revenue rankings are fine as a snapshot of December 31, 2023. Stock values are said to reflect the expectation of future earnings; it's just another way of looking at it. "Stock values are said to reflect the expectation of future earnings" or hype. Tesla, WeWork, etc....
June 5, 20241 yr Value/worth are pretty funky words in general. If I sell my million dollar home to you for a $500,000, is it worth half a million dollars or twice that? If the US economy is $34 trillion in debt compared to its 26 trillion dollar GDP, is it worth -$8 trillion? If I have $1 million in stocks frozen due to litigation and $100,000 in the bank, am I worth $1.1 million? $100,000? It's all a bit subjective and semantic'y. No real point - just waiting for the Guardians game honestly. Edited June 5, 20241 yr by TBideon
June 5, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, jdm00 said: Are First Energy and Goodyear not in Akron? (Or did Cleveland and Akron get grouped for MSA purposes?) I'm more intrigued by putting ", OH" to Columbus when this is an Ohio F500 list. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
June 7, 20241 yr All things considered our major cities in regions do alright when it comes to the fortune rankings, infact so does little old Toledo. Of course there are companies due to private ownership and other things such as legal domiciles/registered offices etc being abroad that they don't show, but otherwise it's a good barometer of a cities corporate climate I feel. KC you could say is a peer to all three of the big Ohio cities and we only have one f500 company (in the 400s and falling) and another four in the f1000. Edited June 7, 20241 yr by snakebite
June 7, 20241 yr On 6/4/2024 at 11:26 PM, Gabriel said: Here are the 2024 Fortune 500 companies by city and rank: Cleveland - 9 62 Progressive 176 Sherwin-Williams 185 Cleveland-Cliffs 204 Goodyear Tire & Rubber 216 Parker-Hannifin 331 FirstEnergy 386 KeyCorp 450 Avery Dennison 492 RPM International Cincinnati - 7 25 Kroger 50 Procter & Gamble 284 Western & Southern Financial Group 321 Fifth Third Bancorp 393 Cincinnati Financial 437 Cintas 470 American Financial Group Columbus, OH - 5 14 Cardinal Health 75 Nationwide 217 American Electric Power 375 Huntington Bancshares 481 Bath & Body Works Toledo - 4 285 Andersons 379 Dana 407 Owens Corning 500 O-I Glass Findlay - 1 24 Marathon Petroleum Wooster - 1 446 J.M. Smucker
June 7, 20241 yr 34 minutes ago, vulcana said: By city, First Energy and Goodyear is in Akron not Cleveland. Akron is in Cleveland MSA.
June 7, 20241 yr 28 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said: Akron is in Cleveland MSA. No it's not. We have this discussion every few months it seems. Akron is a separate MSA, just like Dayton is not in the Cincinnati MSA.
June 7, 20241 yr Top ten Cincinnati MSA companies by revenue. Includes GE Aerospace, which was not included in Fortune 500 this year but will be included next year. Also includes private companies TQL and RelaDyne.
June 7, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, DEPACincy said: No it's not. We have this discussion every few months it seems. Akron is a separate MSA, just like Dayton is not in the Cincinnati MSA. The Fortune 500 list by city IS NOT a list by MSA; its a list by city. Akron---and Lakewood--and Solon are all part of Metropolitan Cleveland. Metropolitan Cleveland is made up of two different MSA's thanks to bad US policy. Akron is part of Metropolitan Cleveland, no question. Akron's economy and people are intertwined with the economy of Cleveland. People from Akron go to Cleveland restaurants, airports, sports events, concerts, etc. So the US Govt says that the Cleveland MSA must exclude parts of Metropolitan Cleveland doesn't mean we--who understand this region better than policy makers in DC---must blindly follow such nonsense. Akron is part of the Cleveland economy no question.
June 7, 20241 yr 7 minutes ago, Gabriel said: The Fortune 500 list by city IS NOT a list by MSA; its a list by city. Akron---and Lakewood--and Solon are all part of Metropolitan Cleveland. Metropolitan Cleveland is made up of two different MSA's thanks to bad US policy. Akron is part of Metropolitan Cleveland, no question. Akron's economy and people are intertwined with the economy of Cleveland. People from Akron go to Cleveland restaurants, airports, sports events, concerts, etc. So the US Govt says that the Cleveland MSA must exclude parts of Metropolitan Cleveland doesn't mean we--who understand this region better than policy makers in DC---must blindly follow such nonsense. Akron is part of the Cleveland economy no question. I've referred to what I call the "borderlands" in the past, suburbs like the Nordonia cluster, Twinsburg, Boston Heights, and even to a degree Walton Hills and Brecksville. They are where the "two" MSAs blend so smoothly that these towns don't particularly identify with one city over the other.
June 7, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, DEPACincy said: No it's not. We have this discussion every few months it seems. Akron is a separate MSA, just like Dayton is not in the Cincinnati MSA. You are absolutely right, no need to have that conversation again. Greater Akron is its own MSA and more aligned with Canton. And as a CSA it is Cleveland-Akron Canton.
June 7, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, E Rocc said: I've referred to what I call the "borderlands" in the past, suburbs like the Nordonia cluster, Twinsburg, Boston Heights, and even to a degree Walton Hills and Brecksville. They are where the "two" MSAs blend so smoothly that these towns don't particularly identify with one city over the other. Exactly why it makes no sense to splice up the Cleveland Fortune 500 list into sections---its all one big metro area!
June 10, 20241 yr On 6/7/2024 at 12:38 PM, Gabriel said: The Fortune 500 list by city IS NOT a list by MSA; its a list by city. Akron---and Lakewood--and Solon are all part of Metropolitan Cleveland. Metropolitan Cleveland is made up of two different MSA's thanks to bad US policy. Akron is part of Metropolitan Cleveland, no question. Akron's economy and people are intertwined with the economy of Cleveland. People from Akron go to Cleveland restaurants, airports, sports events, concerts, etc. So the US Govt says that the Cleveland MSA must exclude parts of Metropolitan Cleveland doesn't mean we--who understand this region better than policy makers in DC---must blindly follow such nonsense. Akron is part of the Cleveland economy no question. There's no such thing as Metropolitan Cleveland. You just made it up. There's the Cleveland MSA and the Akron MSA and both are part of the same CSA.
June 10, 20241 yr On 6/7/2024 at 12:48 PM, E Rocc said: I've referred to what I call the "borderlands" in the past, suburbs like the Nordonia cluster, Twinsburg, Boston Heights, and even to a degree Walton Hills and Brecksville. They are where the "two" MSAs blend so smoothly that these towns don't particularly identify with one city over the other. And places like Middletown, Springboro, and Monroe identify with both Cincinnati and Dayton. But this is irrelevant to the MSA conversation because there is a standard definition that they use for every city.
June 10, 20241 yr I don't think I've actually seen/heard the phrase "Metropolitan Cleveland" before this. I thought most of our NE Ohio folks called it "NEO" or "Greater Cleveland" when talking about the CSA. (Though I could be remembering that wrong.)
June 10, 20241 yr 11 minutes ago, jdm00 said: I don't think I've actually seen/heard the phrase "Metropolitan Cleveland" before this. I thought most of our NE Ohio folks called it "NEO" or "Greater Cleveland" when talking about the CSA. (Though I could be remembering that wrong.) Yeah, Greater Cleveland is the correct term, hence "Greater Cleveland Partnership," etc.
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